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Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge as described in Place Clichy's alt proposal.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: This entire category tree is a mess Mason (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added subcats
Nominator's rationale: violates
WP:OR Mason (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Oppose, do you have any other suggestions for where to place these subcategories contained by this category? AHI-3000 (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think that the entire category tree is overcategorization. I would strongly encourage you to slow down and engage with the people posting warnings about your category changes. I recommend that you review the rules and norms for categories before creating so many catcategory. Mason (talk) 23:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
support. I'd support this alternative. And, I'd also like to thank @Place Clichy for all their thoughtful work in on this (and other categories)! Mason (talk) 13:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BTW you repeated Chinese four extra times by mistake. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. Fixed. Place Clichy (talk) 08:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBT gods

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:LGBT gods

Category:People by ethnicity or nationality

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:People by ethnicity or nationality

Category:Bird sanctuaries of Rajasthan

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The result of the discussion was: deleting.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale:
talk 21:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Military leaders from the Tsardom of Russia

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Scotland to the Kingdom of Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mahavishnu temples in Kerala

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: There are all temples of Vishnu. "Maha" is a honorific here. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:46, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename, nom is correct that these are temples of Vishnu. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Rename. per nom Mason (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Murugan temples

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: In line with main article Kartikeya. Same deity temples. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many articles in this category refer to Murugan (including some titles). Shouldn't article Kartikeya be renamed to Murugan? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TITLECON.--Redtigerxyz Talk 03:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Xion Dukes Klosterneuburg players

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:37, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: 寒吉 (talk) 15:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wushu practitioners in India

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. The new category has a copycat description of the old one, which better fits the format of its siblings; its creator is now blocked. Place Clichy (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Serer diplomats

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Looking at this category, I would have expected to find officials of precolonial states of the
WP:OCEGRS clearly applies. The articles are already present in Category:Senegalese diplomats, so nothing to merge. Place Clichy (talk) 14:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Category:Foreign Ministers of Tokelau

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: OVERLAPCAT. Tokelau does not have a foreign policy, as a dependent territory of New Zealand. The position of foreign minister is taken ex officio by the head of government (together with justice and other portfolios), see Council for the Ongoing Government of Tokelau. The lone article is already in Category:Heads of Government of Tokelau and Category:Government ministers of Tokelau, no need to merge. The second category would find itself empty. Place Clichy (talk) 13:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a defining characteristic in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People's Republic of China people

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The result of the discussion was: merge and split.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: This seems like an overlapping intersection with 20th/21st century categories Mason (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding subcategories
Nominator's rationale: allows for the child categories to be merged properly Mason (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding more subcategories
Nominator's rationale: Found another budle. My general approach is to split PRC into 21st and 20th, and merge 20th century for RoC. I'm intentionally avoiding journalists, military, and politicians, as I think that those intersections are meaningful. Mason (talk) 20:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Emigrants from the Republic of China (1912–1949)

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The result of the discussion was: delete and merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for emmigrants; overlapping category. distinction isn't defining for the emigration country Mason (talk) 13:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Male serial killers

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The majority of serial killers are men, so this category is redundant. DIscussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 17#Category:Serial killers by nationality, pinging contributors there: @ClydeFranklin, @Grutness, @Marcocapelle, @Panamitsu, @Smasongarrison. Qwerfjkltalk 13:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as long as we keep the female version as a non-disfussing category Mason (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kingdom of Scotland emigrants to the Thirteen Colonies

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Considerable overlap, without any clear defining feature for emigration Mason (talk) 13:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. Clearly an overlap. The concise title should prevail. Besides I don't really see how Stuart kings changing their title from Kings of England and Scotland to Kings of Great Britain makes any change that's relevant to emigrants. Place Clichy (talk) 13:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Immigrants to Nova Scotia

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Classic overlap. Place Clichy (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, trivial intersection between emigration and political status of home country. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Ambassadors of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: These are the only categories of ambassadors, or any other topic BTW, that treat differently the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from other UK categories. That was the name of the country before adding Northern in 1927. I guess that this never took up the way the creator intended to. Place Clichy (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom Mason (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now without prejudice to a better populated tree in a later stage. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Civil servants from the Ottoman Empire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Civil servants from the Ottoman Empire

Category:Boran

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Boran

Category:Burial sites of the House of Mecklenburg

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The result of the discussion was: merge three, but keep
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 17:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the Bourbons. That there is only one subcategory there seems to be a mistake, not every member of the house of Bourbon is a member of the House of Orleans. That category should be populated with the burial places of Bourbons who are not Orleaneans. Jahaza (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support the updated nomination, with no prejudice for a later re-creation if more content emerges. Upmerge all three categories, a welcome simplification. Place Clichy (talk) 13:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wattpad writers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Wattpad writers

Category:Brock Badgers ice hockey players

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Brock Badgers men's ice hockey players. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To reflect the content of the category. User:Namiba 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Support. seems reasonable, assuming that other ice hockey teams do this as well. Mason (talk) 13:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religious leaders of ancient Rome

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The result of the discussion was: keep.
(non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 00:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: Some of these should be children of Category: Religious leaders by country and others in Category: Religious leaders by nationality Mason (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, splitting between country and nationality is usually undesirable and even more so in a period when the concept of nationality did not even exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Oppose it would be very difficult to divide the individual entries up this way — Preceding unsigned comment added by Furius (talk • contribs) 22:15, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Latin historians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16#Category:Latin historians

Category:Tristanian medical doctors

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:39, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: The sole member
WP:DEFINING. – Fayenatic London 12:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
support. per nom Mason (talk) 12:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It had been my hope to expand this category and provide more coverage for South Atlantic articles but had an issue with sourcing and time. Also their categories are terrible. Replaced with most appropriate available. UaMaol (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:English diplomats

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:English diplomats

Category:Provençal language

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article name Provençal dialect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gascon language

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The result of the discussion was: rename.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article name Gascon dialect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian people by century and religion

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The result of the discussion was: merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:41, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: single cat Mason (talk) 03:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, it is odd that this exists for 20th century only, for historical purposes it is more meaningful to create older century categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the Japanese colonial empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Category was already emptied without objection.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 02:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Emigrants from Germany (post-1990)

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The result of the discussion was: merge to
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:43, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
Nominator's rationale: I really don't find this intersecting categorization helpful. My preference is to up merge it into German emigrants. However, if it is to stay... an alternative renaming reunified is less clunky, and might look less terrible for the child categories that are currently named "German emigrants to the United States (post-1990)‎" Mason (talk) 02:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:German emigrants etc. For emigration it does not matter whether Germany was unified or reunified. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. I feel the same for most of the emigration categories (although there are exceptions, if the reason for emigration is specific to the origin country. I'm thinking like, nazi germany, soviet union etc.) Mason (talk) 13:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:German emigrants etc. Better is the enemy of good. Place Clichy (talk) 11:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to simple "German" categories as above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bohemian lawyers

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The result of the discussion was: rename and merge.
(non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Nominator's rationale: small cat, only three lawyers in the entire Lawyers from Bohemia tree + [1] for the rename Mason (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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