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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Lwymmd → Look What You Made Me Do  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

We already had a discussion about these useless abbreviation redirects in 2015 but apparently its not enough to get this one deleted without discussion. No one except Swift fans would find this redirect useful, not a commonly used abbr. NØ 21:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Isn't this a town in Wales? </humor> --BDD (talk) 17:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Juan Carlos I of Spain  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete
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• Juan Carlos I of Spain  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete
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Delete due to the implausible formatting. If unscrambled, it becomes King Juan Carlos I de Borbón which no one has found useful enough to create to date. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:43, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Unlikely search terms and no significant usage. They may be quite old but it doesn't necessarily follow that they have ever been linked from mainspace. PC78 (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep.

(non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 14:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Adnan Haydar → Adnan Haidar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

this redirect is just wrong. Adnan Haidar is a 29-year old Norwegian footballer. Adnan Haydar (referred to in the article [Paula Haydar]) appears to be an American academic old enough to have a grown up son, so not the same person. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Adnan Haydar doesn't seem to be used to refer to the footballer. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 17:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There is certainly potential for confusion because of the academic Adnan Haydar who exists, has several mentions, but who doesn't have an article. Delete to leave a redlink would enable Search to do its job and avoid confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:27, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 07:59, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as a valid alternative spelling. GiantSnowman 08:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment How can you justify describing it as a "valid alternative spelling"? Adnan Haidar is Norwegian and that is consistenly the spelling of his name in our alphabet. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 12:36, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per GiantSnowman, though I might say "plausible misspelling" rather than suggesting the Haydar spelling is correct. Obviously, don't link the name from other articles if the academic is intended, and if an article is ever written on the academic, it can be at this title. --BDD (talk) 16:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "plausible misspelling" is right, but the redirect is not particularly useful or necessary, as Adnan Haidar's name is offered when you type "Adnan Ha" or even just "Adnan H" in the search box. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 22:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  That's just one way readers find articles, though. Many could copy and paste whole search terms into the search box or directly enter URLs, for example. Consider this: so long as we have no article on the academic, readers looking for the academic will be disappointed regardless of what happens with this redirect. Keeping it allows us to better satisfy those who are looking for the footballer. --BDD (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This individual is an Arab with an Arabic name. There's plenty of precedent for spelling variants of Arabic names, especially since Arabic uses an abjad without normal vowels. Yes, his name is written in Latin now, but "Haydar" is not the only way to spell this name. Look at Hyder Ali, for example, a Muslim Indian with an Arabic name: some sources call him "Hyder", some "Haidar", and probably some "Haydar". Or look at Haydar and see all the other spelling variants. There simply is no standard way to spell this name in English, so even though this particular person's name has a single correct spelling, it's quite likely that someone could look for him under a different spelling of this name. Nyttend (talk) 03:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• PS, for a further example, consider the fourth King of England after the Conquest. The only correct way to spell his name is
  Steven, King of England because /ˈstiːvən/ can correctly be spelled either way. Nyttend (talk) 12:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep - This spelling difference is a very easy confusion to make. If an article about the academic is ever created then this redirect can be deleted to make way.—NØ 11:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to delete as there is overwhelming rejection of the current target. Deryck C. 12:28, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• List of Family Guy characters#Ernie the Giant Chicken  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete
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Too vague. There are other giant chickens in fiction and I would have expected a redirect to Jersey Giant instead. I don't think a dab page is justified however. —Xezbeth (talk) 08:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom.
  Talk: Contribs) 13:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Retarget to
  talk) 16:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Retarget to Jersey Giant seems reasonable. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 06:19, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This redirect is ambiguous and could cause confusion. Deleting it allows Search to do its job. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Jersey Giant. I couldn't find any other "giant" breeds at List of chicken breeds, and the capitalization of this redirect is a poor fit for a specific character. The Giant Chicken points to the character, which is probably fine; I just created Giant Chicken (Family Guy). --BDD (talk) 22:23, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Our article describes the Jersey Giant as being among the heaviest breeds, and that implies there are other breeds that are just as heavy (and large); the internet for example tells me that the Brahma chicken and the Cochin chicken are pretty big too. I don't see any reason to single out this breed among the others, and there doesn't appear to be any suitable target as there doesn't seem to be any place on wikipedia that discusses the size of chicken. – Uanfala (talk) 01:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:30, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Fiji Urdu → Fiji Hindi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The phrase "Fiji Urdu" is some wikipedian's invention. There's no variety of Urdu that is specific to Fiji, there's no evidence of Urdu being natively spoken there at all. This started out as an article about Urdu being taught in schools in Fiji, but it was unsourced, there don't appear to be any sources out there at all, and even if there were, the title of such an article would rather be Urdu in Fiji. – Uanfala (talk) 21:08, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Weak) keep: Urdu is listed in the article, btw. But Urdu-Hindi is rather like Serbo-Croat: the answer to linguistic questions ends up depending on the respondent's religion. Someone who remembers that Fiji uses the north-Indian language family might well forget whether it was Urdu or Hindi, so the redirect could well be helpful. And it is not confusing unrelated languages, so what's the harm? Imaginatorium (talk) 05:11, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah my bad: I had overlooked that the article mentions that there were several hundred households who reported speaking Urdu in the 1966 census. Still, there's no Fijian variety of Urdu as far as I'm aware, and the Fiji Hindi spoken there is Hindi in name only (and so it's not particularly close to Urdu, the way Hindi is). I see your point about the redirect being helpful as an {{

R from misnomer}}, but I don't think this makes it plausible as the logic can be applied to any of the dozens of major languages of Northern India, ending up redirects like Fiji Bengali, Fiji Magahi, etc. – Uanfala (talk) 18:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep. Bengali, Magahi, etc. are not the same as Hindi in any sense, but Urdu and Hindi are basically the same when spoken. Nyttend (talk) 00:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Nyttend. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:HPORT → Portal:Hinduism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per XY; could just as easily refer to Portal:History, Portal:Horses, many others. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Unintuitive, ambiguous cross-namespace redirect. PC78 (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• One (Romania) → NUTS statistical regions of Romania  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Two (Romania) → NUTS statistical regions of Romania  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Three (Romania) → NUTS statistical regions of Romania  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Four (Romania) → NUTS statistical regions of Romania  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"One (Romania)" could mean anything related to various meanings of the word "one" in relation to Romania; the association with NUTS is so weak that the redirect is counterproductive

Similarly delete Two (Romania) Three (Romania) Four (Romania). Imaginatorium (talk) 05:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have formally added those three redirects to this discussion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:51, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I should have proded instead of redirected. Redirects are cheap but this is not a plausible search term. Reywas92^Talk 06:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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