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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of Red Dead Redemption characters#Norman Deek. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Norman Deek → Red Dead Redemption  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned on target page.

• Keep and tag as {{
  R without mention}}. Google search shows that this is a supporting character and antagonist in the game so a plausible search term. Wug·a·po·des​ 18:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Weak keep per above. I can't find any other uses of this name so it appears to be sufficiently unambiguous. PC78 (talk) 10:11, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There is absolutely no point in directing a reader to an article that doesn't even mention the character. —Xezbeth (talk) 06:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Xezbeth. Ambiguity is not the issue here; it is unhelpful to direct a reader to an article that contains no information about their desired topic. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Xezbeth. Mention it or delete it. Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to List of Red Dead Redemption characters#Norman Deek. Steel1943 (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of Red Dead Redemption characters#Norman Deek. Note that this list was restored per RfD. --BDD (talk) 19:57, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of Red Dead Redemption characters#Norman Deek, per BDD. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 03:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to

WP:ATD. I've ignored the rude or confusing comments by the IP, by the way. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:13, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Decent → Morality  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Decency → Morality  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unused redirect not mentioned at target. Ibadibam (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, the multiple possible meanings of this term make it a poor redirect. Alternatively, soft redirect to Wiktionary. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft redirect per Rossguill Wug·a·po·des​ 02:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Decency also redirects there. Should it be added to this discussion? --BDD (talk) 14:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added. Feel the same about it: should be soft redirected to wiktionary. Wug·a·po·des​ 17:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the case against

Decency is weaker than for decent, as where decent can be a rather all-purpose adjective (e.g. decent food, decent wage), decency IMO does have to refer to moral character. That having been said, it's still not a perfect synonym for morality, so I'm not really opposing a soft redirect. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Fair point. I wouldn't want to complicate things here;

Decency should be included in this discussion? --BDD (talk) 17:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

I concur with its inclusion, thanks! Ibadibam (talk) 19:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That said, I also agree that the case against

Decency is indeed weaker as it is linked by a number of pages. Ibadibam (talk) 19:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Delete
  propriety. Maybe that can be retargeted to wiktionary? – Uanfala (talk) 12:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

If there are any something related to other, you can turn into a DAB page instead of deleting it, GEEZ! 180.183.22.224 (talk) 03:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Soft close per nom. 180.183.22.224 (talk) 03:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Decency is a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 15:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft close both Decent and Decency per above. 180.183.71.47 (talk) 03:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• What do you mean by "soft close", IPs? Do you mean "soft redirect", i.e., to Wiktionary? --BDD (talk) 23:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Proffessor Phillips → Dewi Zephaniah Phillips  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Professor phillips → Dewi Zephaniah Phillips  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Aside from the misspelling of "professor", there are doubtless many other professors with the surname Phillips so it's unclear why this one should be singled out. Reyk _YO! 10:48, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Note I've added Professor phillips, created by the same editor about 9 months earlier, to this discussion as again there is no obvious reason why this particular professor Phillips is targetted. Professor Phillips (with correct spelling and capitalisation) has never existed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Y I approve. Reyk _YO! 11:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, as ambiguous/confusing (
  WP:RFD#D2). -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 22:11, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Retarget to Professor Phillips if anyone can create the disambig there. ミラP 15:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • That seems unwarranted... Why should Phillips (surname) be fragmented for this specific professional title? -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 06:18, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• ATCH → Adrenocorticotropic hormone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target article. Zero incoming links. Barely any pageviews/traffic. It seems to me that this was only created because someone thought it was a plausible typo of "

• Comment 18 page views in the month before nomination and 260 last year is not "barely any". Thryduulf (talk) 11:24, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  When compared with the average regularly used redirect, yes, it is. I'm expecting at least a few hundred a month. -- œ^™ 16:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Really? My years of experience at RfD shows the even some very clearly useful redirects regularly get less than 10 hits a month - even many articles don't manage multiple hundreds of views a month. e.g. after about 2 minutes I found

  Newbury by-election, 1922 got just 2 (the 1922 Newbury by-election article only had 7 views that month). Thryduulf (talk) 16:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  You may be right. Admittedly, without doing a proper statistical analysis over many different types of redirects and their uses, I don't really know.

  ACTH itself however gets a monthly average of 2094, but that is the more likely search term over typing in the entire article name. -- œ^™ 17:32, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Delete. As far as I can make out, ATCH is a non-notable musical artist, a non-notable university course (I think) about "architecture critical theory history", a local shortening of Atch Lench (a village in Worcestershire) and a typo for "aitch" among other things as well as a typo for ACTH. None of these uses seems to predominate. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It appears to be a wrong acronym.--Roy17 (talk) 00:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Kid vs. Kat (Season 3) → List of Kid vs. Kat episodes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Fake redirect to an episode list, for a show that never had a third season in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 04:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Speedy delete.
  talk) 09:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the discussion was retarget to Internet bot. Besides being favored by a numerical majority, this page is preferable since it contains encyclopedic content. If there are uses at the disambiguation page not currently covered at Internet bot, they probably should be. --BDD (talk) 23:34, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Bot accounts → Twitter bot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Bot account →
  Sockpuppet (Internet)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]  (Added by Steel1943 (talk) 22:06, 3 November 2019 (UTC))[reply
  ]

There are many types of "bot accounts". Bots are not exclusive to Twitter, and targeting "bot accounts" to "Twitter bot" does not paint a full picture of bot accounts. Utopes (talk) 03:34, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then, stub it out, wiseguy. Or do I have to do everything around here? -- Kendrick7^talk 04:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Upon review, I've decided a much better target is actually

Sockpuppet (Internet). Not that I would be against a stub of some sort. -- Kendrick7^talk 04:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Retarget to
  selfref}} hatnote to Wikipedia:Bots (already present at Bot). Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Retarget to Bot per Thryduulf (or to the more specific section Bot#Computing and technology), it has most of what readers may be searching for without favoring any one type of bot "account". ComplexRational (talk) 16:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I considered that, but that wouldn't show the hatnote to the Wikipedia page, which is quite a likely search term I think. I don't object to the section target, it is my clear second choice. Thryduulf (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (both). For one, Bot account does not exist. Also, the subjects on Bot and specifically called "bot" and not "bot account(s)", and thus pointing this redirect to Bot is confusing and misleading. Best to delete this redirect to allow the search function of Wikipedia to do its job instead of forcing readers to go to a specific page when looking up "bot accounts". Steel1943 (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • ...and after my previous comment,
    Sockpuppet (Internet). Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • ...And Bot account added to this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:05, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • ...Also, weak retarget to Internet bot per Roy17 and Tavix as the most plausible broad/base subject which these terms could refer. Steel1943 (talk) 23:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • The former is very easily fixed - and indeed should be created as a redirect to wherever the consensus of this discussion is that
    Bot accounts should point. As to your second point, what topics could someone searching for "bot account" or "bot accounts" be looking for that are not listed at Bot? Why and how would forcing readers to make several additional clicks (up to 3 or 4, depending on device, navigation method and access level) to reach search results, which may or may not have what they are looking for, be better than the disambiguation page? Thryduulf (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • ...Because "Best to delete this redirect to allow the search function of Wikipedia to do its job instead of forcing readers to go to a specific page when looking up "bot accounts"", considering that there is no guarantee the reader will be able to find what they are looking for exclusively by what is on the Bot disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 21:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • You have still yet to identify anything that a reader might be looking for that is not listed at Bot, nor have you explained how unreliable search results (which may take several clicks to get to) are better than a reliable, curated list of the targets that could be wanted. Your quoted comment applies when there is no relevant single article or disambiguation page because the search term is unclear, nebulous or just too generic but not in cases like this when the search term is clear and there is a short disambiguation page that includes all the relevant targets. Thryduulf (talk) 12:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • There is no guarantee that the page "...includes all the relevant targets..." for the reasons I already stated above. There is always a chance that search results may be unreliable, but that situation is better than forcing a reader to chose possibly inaccurate options from a disambiguation page with a title mismatch. Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • By that argument we should do away with all disambiguation pages and let the search engine do the job - something which I'm sure you'd agree would be extremely harmful to the encyclopaedia. You keep saying that the dab page might not contain everything someone might be looking for, but you haven't been able to come up with a single example of what someone using this term might plausibly be looking for which is not at the dab page. I've just looked at the first 80 hits and found only one possible target that wasn't already on the dab page - spambot - so I added it. The search results did not include internet bot or Twitter bot, which are very plausible targets. Thryduulf (talk) 21:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
            • Not fully. I just have the long-standing opinion that
              partial-title match redirects are unhelpful as targets to disambiguation pages (with the exception of portions of human names [given names and surnames].) That, and how does one know that someone looking up "bot account" may or may not be attempting to locate a subject on Account, considering that word is part of the redirect? Steel1943 (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
              ]
• Redirect to Internet bot, a most general article that explains these phrases.--Roy17 (talk) 00:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Internet bot, which looks to be the most relevant article in a general sense. The see also looks helpful for those who may be wanting a specific type of bot. FWIW, I oppose retargeting to Bot per Steel1943. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• The Bionic Button → Jenson Button  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Meets

Delete per nom, I've been watching F1 for 7 years, 5 of those had Button as a driver and I have never heard of this nickname. A google search for name yeilds only youtube videos of people playing Geometry Dash.
SSSB (talk) 08:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Despite being only 13 percent of the population → Race and crime#Racial disparity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a 4chan meme that's not mentioned at the target (and shouldn't be, since there's no coverage of the meme in reliable sources). It's also unlikely that anyone would search for this long phrase.

• Delete per nom. There are also many other groups worldwide that represent only 13% of a given population - for example under 6 year olds in at least three different census towns in India, immigrants to Slovenia from other parts of the former Yugoslavia and the proportion of Mexican immigrants to the United Kingdom who are working. Thryduulf (talk) 11:53, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Huangcun Airport → Beijing Daxing International Airport  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

While Beijing Daxing International is near Huangcun, it appears to not be the closest airport to Huangcun––that honor would appear to belong to Beijing Nanyuan Airport [1]. At any rate, there's no indication that any one airport is known by this name, therefore I would suggest deletion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I see no evidence that the Daxing Airport is referred to as Huangcun Airport in any sources, including Chinese ones, searches only reveal a train station near the airport (and the Beijing–Xiong'an intercity railway line linking the railway station to the airport) and a former airport in Guangzhou built in 1940 - [2]. Perhaps a Huangcun Airport article can be created another time for the one in Guangzhou, but for now the redirect will only cause confusion since it is unlikely anyone will search for the Daxing Airport under the Huangcun name. Hzh (talk) 12:05, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. When I saw this my first thought was the 黃村機場 in my home city Canton, Kwangtung, which was a real airfield but disappeared quite some time ago. I dont seem to find any mentions of this Chinese name of the current target.--Roy17 (talk) 00:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete thanks to Hzh, the former airfield in Guangzhou is now mentioned at Guangdong Olympic Stadium (the stadium now occupies the airfield's former site). OTOH if there's no appetite for retargeting there then this should be deleted; neither airport in the vicinity of Huangcun Subdistrict, Beijing [zh] is called Huangcun Airport, so this is just confusing and misleading. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:While it is true Huangcun is the name of a place in Canton, Huangcun is another name for Daxing. The following archive of a now defunct population website in Spanish shows shows Huangcun as the name of the town and Daxing as another name for it https://archive.md/FcHu. The same thing in National Geographic Atlas of The World 6th edition (I don't think in the newest editions it says so)shows in the city map section Daxing and in brackets (Huangcun).--Otis the Texan (talk) 22:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Huangcun is a town or an area within

Daxing District (you can see Huangcun listed there, you can also see from the population in the link you gave that it's the town, not the district), they are not the same thing. The airport is in Daxing district, not Daxing town. Hzh (talk) 23:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Delete. Huangcun is the center of Daxing District (although some part of the former Huangcun town is already split to Linxiaolu Subdistrict etc.), but Daxing Airport is at south/southeast of Daxing District (and part of Guangyang District of nearby Langfang city). BTW, just use a Chinese online map, I see the Huangcun is 25 km from the Daxing Airport.Ombresuvenere (talk) 20:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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