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November 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 10, 2020.

Shitshow

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 19#Shitshow

Teqvoly

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The result of the discussion was keep. While there's still minimal information at the target, both are now explicitly mentioned there so a redirect is viewed as perfectly fine. ~ mazca talk 13:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These appear to be the names of a Teqball organizations ([1], [2]) that are not mentioned at the target. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: Those are two names of sports that use what could be called the TeqTable, along with Teqpong and Qatch. The Hungarian Wikipedia has an entry on Teqis (here). --Apisite (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BDD, Tavix, Rosguill, Thryduulf, and Ivanvector: I added the variant names to the section "Teqball Table" so the redirects should be covered. --Apisite (talk) 08:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I appreciate the work you've done, but I'm afraid this makes me even more inclined to say delete. I was under the impression that teqvis and teqvoly were teqball organizations, as suggested by the nominator. If they're separate sports that just use the same equipment, that makes for a very dubious redirect, IMO, like redirecting "Futsal" to
WP:REDLINK). --BDD (talk) 16:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 19:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both per Ivanvector. Thryduulf (talk) 20:48, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I understand the situation, but we aren't doing anyone any favors if the terms aren't mentioned. You'll have readers familiar with the teqball IP situation who will not need such navigational aids, and those who aren't, who are very likely to be confused. --BDD (talk) 14:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per BDD. I'd be fine with these redirects if a "variants" section is added, but until then these will confuse those looking for specific information about each variant. -- Tavix (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note per Apisite's post-relisting comment above that both terms are now mentioned in the target article. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to seek further input and to allow the Oct 26 log page to be closed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both per Ivanvector. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:59, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the terms are now mentioned in the target article, seems fine to keep. CapitalSasha ~ talk 01:11, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Greater Bay Area

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 18#Greater Bay Area

🧑‍🎄

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The result of the discussion was delete. The current target has gained very little support. Some users have suggested plausible alternative targets, but there's far from a consensus even among those participants as to exactly where it should be. There is some decent precedent for keeping single unambiguous emoji redirects (see
WP:REMOJI) but both (a) the joined-emoji issue that leads this to display as two emoji on many systems at present, and (b) the self-evident lack of consensus as to exactly where this is pointing, leads to a general dissatisfaction with the existence of this redirect at this time: it's neither clearly a single emoji, nor clearly unambiguous. ~ mazca talk 13:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

I don't know that this redirect means Santa Claus, maybe Christmas or Christmas tree? TheAwesomeHwyh 15:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: It means "Mx Claus", which is a gender neutral alternative for Santa Claus and Mrs. Claus. The reason it looks like a person next to a Christmas tree to you is because your platform does not (yet) support this emoji. See Emojipedia for details. -- Tavix (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Claus#Fictional characters seems like the best place to point this for the time being. Christmas gift-bringer might be an okay target as well, though not optimal. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - If it represents "Mx Claus", and this term is not used anywhere in Wikipedia, then delete. A7V2 (talk) 07:17, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Christmas gift-bringer as that seems to most closely represent the defined meaning of this emoji. Thryduulf (talk) 21:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - this two-emoji combination is way too ambiguous. Aasim (talk) 06:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Awesome Aasim: This is a single emoji, not a two-emoji combination. Per Emojipedia: The Mx Claus emoji is a ZWJ sequence combining 🧑 Person, ‍ Zero Width Joiner and 🎄 Christmas Tree. These display as a single emoji on supported platforms. It sounds like your platform does not support this emoji, so instead you see its components. See Zero-width joiner for more details about how this works. -- Tavix (talk) 15:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Christmas gift-bringer per Thryduulf. -- Tavix (talk) 15:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Striking per 61.239. After reading their !vote, I agree that Christmas gift-bringer is a bit too broad. I explicitly oppose retargeting to Emoji#Joining. It isn't mentioned there—nor should it, and one wouldn't even be able to ascertain the definition there. I now agree with Godsy that Claus#fictional characters is probably the best target. -- Tavix (talk) 02:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, two emojis which comprise of a man's face and a Christmas tree do not equal "Santa Claus". This is too ambiguous.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 16:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Crumpled Fire: As noted above (multiple times) this is not two emojis, it is a single emoji with a defined unambiguous meaning. It is displayed as two separate characters on platforms that do not (yet) support the required character, but that does not make it ambiguous any more than multiple different e.g. Arabic characters being displayed as identical question marks or empty characters on systems that do not have an appropriate font installed. Thryduulf (talk)
  • Retarget per Thryduulf and Tavix. This emoji is clearly unambiguous, and I'm not sure why deletion is being considered here, since this would greatly affect readers who may search for this emoji. CycloneYoris talk! 08:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested deletion since as Tavix explained above, the emoji is for "Mx Claus", a character/figure not discussed or mentioned at Christmas gift-bringer or anywhere on Wikipedia as far as I could tell (apart from here, obviously). A7V2 (talk) 11:34, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Setting aside concerns from editors whose computers don't render this emoji properly, there's still some disagreement over where to retarget and one valid delete !vote
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First strike

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The result of the discussion was Move disambiguation page over redirect. There's some suggestion that the previous target might be the primary target, but most participants seem to think that a disambiguation page is a better option. ~ mazca talk 13:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects seem overly broad. Surely this term doesn't only apply to nuclear warfare? TheAwesomeHwyh 15:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move First Strike disambiguation over First Strike. Do not merge Preemptive Strike as it has its own media titles that differ from First Strike. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Pr

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 20:17, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Originally nominated for speedy deletion by @Tom (LT) with the reason "Cleanup of unused template since 2010, following an article move" FASTILY 05:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks
    peer review. One major part in how difficult it is to conduct housekeeping is that there are just so many little nooks and crannies, and this is one of them. As an unused redirect, it would make life just that much easier by removing it, and thereby also preventing the one or two accidental future uses of this redirect. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • There also exists a redirect at Template:PR, and it may be worthwhile to consider it too (though it has some history). – Uanfala (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Good job Tom. Two letter words like this, which more often than not, are also the names of language codes or country codes should not be used if possible. Searching for templates with "Pr" also brings a lot of "press release" related templates. Better to just not have these if we can. --Gonnym (talk) 14:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, I'm not keen on such a short and ambiguous string being used for this one template. However, we don't know if it is getting any use or not – the target is a subst-only template. – Uanfala (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I see no problem with the ambiguity. Shortcuts are generally ambigous. Given this is a subst-only template, it is unused by its nature. Unless a compelling case for retargetting this is made, it should likely remain as is. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, other than a vague dislike for (this sort of) redirect or for templates using names like this nobody has identified any actual problem, let alone a problem requiring deletion to solve. Thryduulf (talk) 21:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 22:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Equally compelling alternative targets so since currently no natural choice, recommend deleting as clutter. Jason Quinn (talk) 05:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, subst or not I'm not seeing any evidence of significant use of this, and in general I don't think very short-title redirects for seldom-used templates are good to keep around in the absence of any real justification. ~ mazca talk 13:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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North Carolina Historical Review

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 26#North Carolina Historical Review

Torching

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The result of the discussion was delete. No prejudice against disambiguation. --BDD (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure this makes sense. At a glance I do not see the term in the target article. I searched it to see if we had an article on the wildfire phenomenon known as "torching" where the limbs and branches rapidly burn off large numbers of trees, often leaving the bare tree trunk un-burned. Since the purpose of redirects is to help people find what they are looking for, and this didn't do that for me, I feel like it should be discussed.

talk) 20:18, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

I guess my position is that since it doesn't lead to any content that uses the term, we probably shouldn't have it all.
talk) 20:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, it's an ambiguous term that we ultimately don't have particularly useful specific coverage of, and it's best not to pretend we do. Just off the top of my head, I could think of meanings in the sense of arson or cookery on top of the general "burning" meaning the redirect implies, and that's not including the wildfire meaning the nom refers to. ~ mazca talk 16:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate It's ambiguous but different uses are mentioned in Glossary of wildfire terms, Metal fabrication#Processes and Roof shingle#Stone shingles, there can also be a link to wikt:torching. Peter James (talk) 09:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm ok with disambiguation if others think that is viable. Thryduulf (talk) 17:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 22:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as the Oxford Dictionary says the definition of the word is to "set fire to," which is the same as burning or combustion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Félix An (talk • contribs) 19:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Stonks

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Stonk. --BDD (talk) 21:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a silly fad slang term with no information at the target article. This is an implausible search term for someone actually looking for information about stocks. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 05:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Agree. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft redirect {{wiktionary redirect}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I would specifically oppose this. Soft redirects make it more difficult to perform a plain search for a term, which will also bring up a match from Wiktionary anyway. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to the dab page I've just created at Stonk which has an entry for a character called Stonks. The stocks meaning can be added too if someone wants. Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to newly created DAB page Stonk per Thryduulf. CycloneYoris talk! 10:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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List of (year) box office number-one films in Taiwan redirects

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The result of the discussion was delete all Thryduulf (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Target article, and the

WP:V. There was a substantial lack of participation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:54, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

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  • Comment: There is no Taiwan box office number one films article for 2015. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 21:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all except the 2020 one per Sonic678. The rest are all mentioned at target (not literally but at least each individual year is), and are therefore plausible search terms. CycloneYoris talk! 10:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete These strike me as oddly contradictory. The target page is indeed listing the number-one film for each year (or at least most of them), but the redirects seem to promise multiple films per year. You'd think there would only be one number-one film, but perhaps we could break down biggest total, biggest domestic total, etc. Given this ambiguity, I think these are more likely to be disappointing than helpful. --BDD (talk) 20:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete all per BDD. These are effectively falsely advertising content that isn't at the target, and I don't view them as helpful. ~ mazca talk 13:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Bidrohi (Disambiguation) (disambiguation)

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The result of the discussion was delete
WP:SNOW. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:55, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
]

Disambiguation pages or pages that redirect to disambiguation pages should not use "(disambiguation)" twice. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 20:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Nationalist Party of Taiwan

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 17#Nationalist Party of Taiwan

Fashion mogul Michael Ball

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China occupied Kashmir redirects

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 16#China occupied Kashmir redirects

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