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The result of the discussion was delete without salting at this time, as I don't see any evidence of it being repeatedly recreated. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• 2028 United States Presidential Election → United States presidential election  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is just

• Delete and/or protect as
  United States presidential election, 2024 was until after the 2020 election, per AFD. A redirect is not a big deal, but it is too soon for this to be open to becoming an article. Reywas92^Talk 22:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete and salt.
  WP:CRYSTAL and repeatedly recreated, so until there's significant discussion or we're in 2024, such a redirect will inevitably not lead readers to relevant information (in the target article specific to 2028) and be subject to repeated attempts to create an article. ComplexRational (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Comment I'm very surprised that I've not been able to find any content about this. I wasn't expecting much more than a sentence or two saying it's expected to be held on <date>, the electoral college votes are expected be the same as/different to 2024, and any other notable aspirations/plans/hopes notable people/groups have said/expressed about 2028; but I was expecting something. Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Gabriela Cartol → Noé Hernández (actor)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Can't see the point of redirecting an actress's name to an article about an actor in which all we ever learn about her is that she once starred opposite him. Also,

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete List of Beyblade Characters → List of Beyblade characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete: per nominator. Note also the miscapitalisation. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, of course. I'm surprised this wasn't done 16 years ago. -- Zanimum (talk) 05:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody. In this case the long-extant, plausible title is an accurate description of the content. There is no reason to make the content harder to find by breaking links. Thryduulf (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep per Thryduulf. Also, the redirect is an {{
  K4 applies. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 00:23, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Is this list complete? If not, is a complete list practical here? --BDD (talk) 16:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @BDD: No, it doesn't seem to be complete. In the page history there has recently been a lot of trimming of unsourced/non-notable characters (the page has been reduced from 88k to 15k), and some of the characters are listed at various subpages for the spin-off series. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 00:20, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. Delete, then. It matters a lot whether these lists are actually complete, or reasonably could be without running afoul any guidelines. --BDD (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of Booknotes interviews. ~ mazca ^talk 15:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete list of Booknotes interviews → Booknotes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete: per nominator. The target does not even have a list either. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete but not per the completely irrelevant nomination:
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody. However, there is no list of interviews at the target (or anywhere else on Wikipedia that I can find) so the redirect is misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • @Thryduulf: There used to be a list of episodes at List of Booknotes interviews, but it was broken down into yearly pages 10 years ago: see this diff for a link of the subpages. They're linked in the template at the bottom of the page, but it's not obvious that they're there. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Retarget to the index of the complete yearly lists I've just created at List of Booknotes interviews, with thanks to the IP above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of Booknotes interviews. This is a TV show that has been out of production for 17 years so it is entirely possible to have a complete list of episodes. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to List of Booknotes interviews per above, which is a completely reasonable redirect. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 00:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete List of Jasoosi Dunya (Old) → List of Jasoosi Dunya by Ibn-e-Safi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete. Old... older than what? Dominicmgm (talk) 12:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per nominator. Also, weird disambiguator. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:46, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the nomination is completely incorrect - the target is a complete list (the author is dead so it is a finite set),
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody. This title, which has existed since 2008, got almost 300 views last year so it's obviously either a plausible search term and/or linked from somewhere - in either case deletion will hinder people finding the content they are looking for. The "(Old)" disambiguator is unusual but it's not obviously incorrect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Weak delete I assumed the "(Old)" here had the same meaning as that for Imran Series below, but I don't see anything at Jasoosi Dunya to indicate the series was continued by other authors, so this is likely to confuse. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. The facts that the list does appear to be complete, and the length of time this page existed at this title, leads to greater weight being given to those arguments versus the vague boilerplate nomination. ~ mazca ^talk 15:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete list of authors published as UK first editions by Collins Crime Club →
  talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete
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• Delete as extremely long redirect title. Dominicmgm (talk) 12:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per nominator. A long title is not a reason for deletion, though (the target article has quite a long title, too). 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:45, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep the nomination is completely incorrect - the search term is highly plausible and correct - the first sentence of the target is This is a complete list of authors published as UK first editions by Collins Crime Club and no additional works are being published so the list will remain complete.
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody. This is possibly the worst of these mass nominations as it's clear the nominator has not even looked at the page. Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep. The Crime Club has not been publishing since 1994, so the list is complete and will likely remain complete for the foreseeable future. The main list was at this title for 4 years until moved in 2017, so this is also a useful R from page move. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 00:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf's comprehensive argument. This redirect is unambiguous and gets very high amounts of usage and thus deleting it serves only to deter many potential readers. As an aside, I highly doubt that this particular (horrible)
  PANDORA argument espoused by the nominator has any basis – surely readers would be likely to after searching this up, look at the big black title at the top of the page, and subconsciously remind themselves that including the word complete is unnecessary? They'd at least be more likely to do that than pay no attention to the extremely easily noticed big black title at all and continue typing things exactly the same way, as the flawed PANDORA argument assumes. I think that a person's use of two similar everyday phrases like complete list / list tend to vary, with a tendency towards the more concise phrase – but then again, my armchair linguistic psychology with no basis probably shouldn't be relied upon. But neither should this PANDORA psychology. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 01:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete List of Imran Series (Old) → List of Imran Series by Ibn-e-Safi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete: per nominator. Also, weird disambiguator. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:45, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the nomination is completely incorrect -
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody. The title is odd, but it does lead to a complete list of the Imran Series so it is not inaccurate, and it's getting a few hits so there isn't actually any reason to delete. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Weak keep I thought the "(Old)" was a placeholder from page views, but it seems to be indicating the "old" original Imran series, which has been continued by subsequent authors. Given that, and its status as a previous title, I don't see a reason to delete. --BDD (talk) 16:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of Rock Band Network songs#Complete list of available songs. The fact that there's a "complete" section on this page certainly justifies the page title in this case. ~ mazca ^talk 15:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete list of Rock Band Network songs → List of Rock Band Network songs  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete: per nominator. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and refine to
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody) making it clear the nominator has not even looked at anything beyond the title of the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
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• Refine to List of Rock Band Network songs#Complete list of available songs per Thryduulf. Gets views. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 01:47, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ~ mazca ^talk 15:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete list of works produced by Hanna-Barbera → List of works produced by Hanna-Barbera Productions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete: per nominator. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the completely incorrect nomination is another example of this nominator not looking at anything other than the redirect title. The search term is highly plausible and accurately reflects the content found at the target,
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 12:53, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep per Thryduulf and what I've outlined in other similar nominations. It isn't helpful to nominate these harmless redirects to RfD. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 01:50, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I have no issue with tagging this {{R unprintworthy}} with the idea of discouraging "Complete list" titles, but since this one indeed seems to be a complete list, there's no problem. --BDD (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:FRINGE itself doesn't refer exclusively to science. Many fringe theories relate to science, but not all. --BDD (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

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• CAT:FRINGE → Category:Edinburgh Festival Fringe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's more than one category related to a topic with "fringe" in its name, like Category:Fringe festivals, Category:Fringe (TV series), or even Category:Fringe science, so I suggest deleting this shortcut. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 11:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Shortcuts may be and generally are ambiguous; they are not intended for readers but rather for editorial purposes. That aside, theses shortcuts usually point to maintenance categories etc. (not "regular" categories for lack of a better way to put it offhand).— Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 12:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - it's not the target I would have chosen, but it is a valid redirect - and the Edinburgh Festival Fringe is "the Fringe". All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]
  
• Retarget to
  Fringe}} already go to fringe theory topics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HotdogPi (talk • contribs) 22:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Retarget per HotdogPi, this is clearly what the "FRINGE" shortcut means on Wikipedia.
  talk | contribs) 11:41, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Retarget per HotdogPi - all other things being equal, the current target would be a reasonable one for this shortcut, but
  WP:FRINGE is a commonly used shortcut with a specific meaning in Wikipedia, and it seems best to make this consistent. ~ mazca ^talk 13:08, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Retarget, but to
  Fringe}} are about generic fringe theories, they're not specifically fringe science, and they could equally well be applied to pseudo-history or Conspiracy theories, for example. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Retarget to
  WP:FRINGE. Thryduulf (talk) 15:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Thryduulf (talk) 15:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Men In Cages → Androcide  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I say delete the page. It is clearly not androcide, I have made a mistake and I hope to improve

• Comment Author has requested deletion in good faith, so would
  G7 now be applicable? ComplexRational (talk) 22:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series#Complete list of available songs. Formally no consensus, implementing the refine proposal as it appears to uncontroversially be an improvement over the status quo. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete list of downloadable content for the Rock Band series → List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series →
  talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete
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• List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series (complete list) → List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible

• Delete: per nominator. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both per nom. As new games are released, likely so will new downloadable content (which might be in the making right now even without new games in the series being made). I'm also adding
  List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series (complete list) here. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 16:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep The search term is plausible,
  WP:PANDORA is not a thing (redirects are evaluated only on their own merits) and WP:COMPLETELIST is too blunt to be of use to anybody, so the nomination is incorrect on all counts. This is a slightly different situation to most of the other similar nominations (although the nominator apparently not looking at anything beyond the title is the same) in that the list is still growing, but it is being maintained has been consistently for years so the title is accurate and not (as some have incorrectly speculated above) misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Refine all to List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series#Complete list of available songs to be specific. Per Thryduulf, there is no valid reason to delete this redirect. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 01:58, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Refine: per J947. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 12:41, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:13, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Complete list of NJ Transit stations → List of NJ Transit railroad stations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search term, "complete list" -> "list" should not be something we redirect in general

• Delete: per
  WP:PANDORA/the newly created WP:COMPLETELIST. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 12:42, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Keep unlike most of the other similar redirects noted, this is something where the title is accurate. Thryduulf (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: the list is complete. HotdogPi 00:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above and what I've outlined in similar nominations. It isn't helpful to nominate these harmless redirects to RfD. — J947 ‡ ^{message ⁓ edits} 02:04, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]