Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 965

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Hello everybody, I never realised how complicated it would be to transfer a very long list of notable people in one article and put it on a separate page for ease of consultation which I have read in relation to other subjects. I put in all the relevant links to the "parent article". I was told the new page was shifted into a draft space because it contained no sources for verifiability. In fact, when it was an article section, it had no sources either. I have provided sources for each person and submitted it for review and now I find a new hurdle about which I had not been warned, so it has been declined. My question is this, what do I need to do for the page to be acceptable on Wikipedia?

The historical background concerns the state of Poland which was partitioned and taken off the map 4 times since 1772, the last time being 1939. The list of people (all with a wiki entry) I transferred onto a new page was mostly compiled by others. I have now added a credible source for each one on the list. The reason this is important is that half the state of Poland was swallowed by the Soviet Union in 1945 and redistributed among 4 Soviet republics. When the Soviet Union broke up c.1991, the distributed former parts of Poland stayed in the newly independent republics. The parent article of the list called Kresy describes what happened to the landmass that was taken over several times, not only by Russia, but also, by Austria-Hungary and Prussia. It happens to be a landmass that is co-terminous with the Pale of Settlement to which Jews were confined during the Russian Empire. The largest single population group in the region were the Poles, who like the Jews were severely ill-treated by the authorities and like the Jews were obliged to leave unless they toed the line. After WW2 millions of them were deported (ethnically cleansed) to the vacated eastern parts of Germany that it lost as a punishment for the war. The Poles on the declined list are people who distinguished themselves in science, the arts etc. and whose homeland has been disappeared in subsequent geopolitical manoeuvres. The point is that they were Poles when they were born and in some cases, died. In other cases they became stateless or were forced into exile. Many died for their county's independence or were simply massacred.

It's just a list from a pre-existing explanatory article. --Po Mieczu (talk) 18:57, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Po Mieczu While your intentions may undoubtedly be good, I will reiterate what another editor suggested - that you should discuss this content fork at Talk:Kresy#People from Kresy article title. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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• • Would love advice on referencing and content!

Mishelle12389 (talk) 21:12, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE Good luck. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)}

21:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi I’ve created a Wikipedia page in France that has been deleted because it was written in English. Now I would like to create a page on Wikipedia in English but I don’t know how to do it. I’ve created an account Laïkaandtheunit. You will find below a link of a Wikipedia page for a recording with musicians names that have already a personal Wikipedia page (Peter Martin, Joshua Redman and Brian Blade). The Wikipedia page I would like to create is the one of Christopher James Thomas. Could you please help me to do it ? Thank you very much Laïka

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_the_Moment_–_Live_at_the_Village_Vanguard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citina1970 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Citina1970: there's insufficient sourcing for an article. You can try going to Wikipedia:Requested articles to request an article but you will need to show media coverage in reliable sources. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that the archives of Talk:Sustainable energy are missing quite a few posts, e.g. from 2009. Is there a way to set up a bot to re-generate the archives so that nothing is missed? Cheers and thanks, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

The material had been archived by the bot, but there was an unterminated ref tag in Talk:Sustainable energy/Archive 1 which prevented display of much of the subsequent text. I've removed the unterminated tag in question. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

David Biddulph, Amazing catch. Thanks so much! Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 00:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I'm also having this same issue on a page I submitted for a known, internationally-syndicated radio host from my local station out of personal interest. I linked to a ton of news articles, and the review said basically "this isn't an encyclopedia because all citations are his personal website". Not true. There was 1 link to personal website talking about his volunteer work building drinking water wells in Africa. I included numerous news organizations citations, so where do I go from here? I'm a bit confused by the reviewer's response that I supposedly didn't include citations. I copied the format of numerous other radio personalities on Wikipedia. Thanks!Smithryanallen (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, @Smithryanallen: great you decided to write here, and please accept that I made your own thread; hope people would find it easier to answer to your question, and there won't be any mix up with the other question you were encouraged to ask help. I've read your draft and added citation details to sources you have included (sorted out citations used more than once). I guess some are the information source while others are using those without mentioning the citation.

Wish others will come in and grant advise. Anyway, enjoy writing. Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 17:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

You can shorten this article and remove information that cannot be sourced. You can do this, for instance, in the Career section. Avoid descriptive words and figures of speech as much as possible because these make the tone very promotional and more like a narrative. Writing that your subject fell in love with music is not encyclopedic at all. I suggest that you also devote some content to his charity since it has attracted some coverage. Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I can't find correct formatting to make bullets for a correctly formatted discography. Seems so basic, yet I can't locate bullets information. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElsieEmma (talk • contribs) 02:07, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi

MOS:LISTS? It can also sometimes be helpful to look a some other articles with discographies and see how they use bullet points. When you find a style you think might work, just go into edit mode and look for the syntax used to create the list. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 02:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Unable to 5.5 feet (1.7 m) Religion in Infobox_person?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ABHINAVKUMARSAHAI (talk • contribs) 03:10, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi ABHINAVKUMARSAHAI. Infobox templates will only work properly with the parameters listed on the template's documentation page. If you look at the very top of Template:Infobox person, you'll see a note stating that the parameters "ethnicity" and "religion" have been deprecated and will no longer be recognized by the template. The "height" parameter still can be used, but it needs to be added as per the template documentation; otherwise, it won't work. Trying taking a look at Template:Infobox person#TemplateData and check whether you've formatted the parameter correctly.

Some other things about infoboxes of this type is that they often have lots of optional parameters just so that they can be used in a variety of different articles. The "height" parameter might be something relevant to an article about a professional athlete or someone who known for being so tall or so short; for most people, however, such information is not really encyclopedically relevant to the reader and not needed in the article. The infobox should also generally reflect content find in the article itself; so, if the article has sourced commentary on how tall a person is, then maybe it's OK to add that information to the infobox. At the same time, if the article makes no mention of a person's height, then it might not be necessary to add such information to infobx or you may have to add a citation to the infobox for verification purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I wrote a draft on the novel Urchin Of The Riding Stars by M. I. McAllister. I wanted to use the 'Prose' article template, but I can't figure out how to use it. Any help?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Polymeric Organism (talk • contribs) 05:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi

MOS:INFOBOX to Draft:Urchin Of The Riding Stars? -- Marchjuly (talk

) 05:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the amibguity. What I want to know is how to use this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Article_templates/Prose

as a template around which to build the article I'm writing. Thanks for your response! Polymeric Organism 05:31 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi again

WP:TILDE. Trying to manually add your signature or copy-and-paste your signature from one post to another can be tricky because the software might add an incorrect time stamp or forget to provide a link if you don't format things correctly.

As for Template:Article templates/Prose, you should be able to see how that page is formatted by clicking on "Edit". You can then copy-and-paste the part of the page that you want to use into your sandbox or draft. When you copy the content from the template's page, however, please makes sure to hit the "Cancel" button and not the "Publish changes" button; both will close the editing window, but "Cancel" will not save any changes you might've accidentally made to the template's page. You might also want to take a look at Help:Wikitext because it explains how articles are typically formatted. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 05:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Please help me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumiteg (talk • contribs) 06:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi

Wikipedia:Adventure as well. -- Marchjuly (talk

) 06:43, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hope to hear soon from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumiteg (talk • contribs) 07:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Sumiteg: if you are here to help improve Wikipedia, please be aware that creating a new article can be very difficult; and if an article on the same subject has already been declined, it will have been for a good reason. You should choose some other, easier, task.

If however you are here to promote something, please be aware that Wikipedia is not intended for promotion. You should instead use some other site, such as Facebook, where promotion is allowed. Maproom (talk) 08:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

(ec) Hi, Sumiteg. You've received a quite detailed message at your Talk page in the section User talk:Sumiteg#Speedy deletion nomination of User:Sumiteg/sandbox. It says that the sandbox page nominated for deletion

• seemed ‘to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic,’ which is
  criterion G11
  of speedy deletion,
• as well as it appeared ‘to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals’, which is
  criterion U5
  .

So the problem is not just in lacking referencing to establish notability of the subject. It looks like the page you created was inappropriate for Wikipedia both because of its contents and for its tone (style of presenting the subject). You rather need to create the page from scratch in a completely new form. First, of course, find appropriate

WP:WWIN

).

Please remember, creating a brand new article is one of the most difficult tasks at Wikipedia, especially for new editors. Read other articles to see how it should look like (e.g., with respect to topical info organization,

WP:CoI

and others.)

Whenever something seems incomprehensible – ask. You'll find lots of helpful people here, just give them a chance to help you. And take it easy – there is

WP:NORUSH! Happy editing! --CiaPan (talk

) 09:11, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestions: Differences should also show the numbers of added or removed, just like the version history. ––Chanc20190325 (talk) 16:30, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a request for the mediawiki software, not a teahouse question. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi community!

I'm trying to cite a medical journal article, and I can either use a link to pubmed - which seems to be the most reputable repository for medical articles, but doesn't have the full text - or use a link to Semantic Scholar - which has the full pdf but doesn't have the track record of pubmed.

The page I edited is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalohematoma and the links are: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17003628 (currently used this one) -or- https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/18b2/2faeff592c6d99d9ad4a8cc5611c16f2af77.pdf (might be more useful for readers who want to click through and read the whole study.

Thanks!

Max — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crljenak (talk • contribs) 14:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Personally, I always link to PubMed. Consider the abstracts sufficient for a ref. By the way, for your example, clicking on the journal hyperlink did allow access to PDF. David notMD (talk) 16:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I edited the article and added several "citation needed" tags. If this is an area of your expertise, please continue to improve the article. David notMD (talk) 17:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I created a draft of an article but I want to know how to make it an actual Wikipedia article (62.64.196.116 (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2019 (UTC))

You'll need to submit it through

Articles for Creation. Stick the code {{subst:submit}} (minus the markup in the editing window) and eventually an experienced editor with AfC reviewer rights will deem it worthy (or unworthy) of inclusion. -A lad insane (Channel 2)

17:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:Edit Requests. Good luck! WelpThatWorked (talk

) 18:38, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your time, J.R. Weldon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.163.73 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello J.R.Welldon!- welcome to the Teahouse. There is nothing to stop you being innovative and creating or naming a new genre of music. That's totally your prerogative. But until the world has taken notice of it, and independent people have written about it in detail, I'm afraid there is no place on Wikipedia to promote your creation or your new genre definition. Wikipedia only accepts articles about

notable topics that the world has already taken notice of. It cannot help you to promote your own new musical ideas. I'm very sorry to disappoint you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk

) 19:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Just to followup on Nick's post J.R. please see

WP:SECONDARY sourcing for its articles. You can take advantage of other places on the web like blogs or facebook to put forth your ideas. If they catch on and research is done on them by others over the years they might wind up here one day. Best of luck on your endeavors. MarnetteD|Talk

19:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello and good day, I would like to include this pic in the ibx of the new article Aziz Abu Sarah, but I've never uploaded from this site before, and I don't understand the procedure nor the propriety of same based on the existing licensing this pic has? Havradim (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Havradim. Flikr offers a variety of licenses to its users, and that particular photo uses a license that restricts commercial re-use. Therefore, that photo cannot be used on Wikipedia because our licensing allows commercial re-use. Please see Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr for more detailed information about the acceptable licensing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:58, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello WikiWorld. I am a brand new editor and I am asking for a "mentor". Someone to take me under their wing and guide me. I have a subject matter that does not come up on Wikipedia. I would like to add it. Thanks in advance. Any takers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GindyLacey (talk • contribs) 16:42, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@

this article is a handy read on how to make your article stick around a bit. -A lad insane (Channel 2)

16:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@

The Wikipedia Adventure - an interactive self-guided tour. Regards, and do pop back and tell us more about what you'd like to achieve here, Nick Moyes (talk

) 20:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes thank you for your helpful insight. I am completely green at this whole process. I don't even know how to make a simple userpage. I guess I should start with that as my first "tutoring assignment". So if you have the time maybe a quick step by step on the userpage area?? GindyLacey (talk) 16:46, 4 June 2019 (UTC)Gindy Lacey 4 June 2019

@GindyLacey: Sorry I missed your request - you didn't quite get the mechanism right for sending me an automatic notification, but not to worry at this point. (You can check the wikimarkup I used when - which includes two sets of curly brackets. Providing you use that and sign your post at the same time, I get notified). Now, to create your userpage simply follow this red link: User:GindyLacey (or click the tab at the top left in desktop view) . It's a red link becasue the page doesn't exist yet, so it'll say 'Creating User:GindyLacey'. Now simply type something like "Hello this is my userpage" and then look for the big blue 'Publish' button. It's at the bottom of the page in desktop view (i.e. non-mobile view). Click that and your edit will be saved and published as your userpage. You can use this page to say a litle about yourself and your interests in editing Wikipedia. You simply change the contents by clicking either the Tab at the top of the page, which is labelled either 'Edit' or 'Edit source'. To find out more about what is and what isn't acceptable on this page, see this shortcut: Wikipedia:User pages. Hope this all makes sense, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I have a concern about a page that has surfaced called Fenn Treasure. Located here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenn_treasure

On it the author claims that he has found the location of the treasure and has slanted the page to try to give readers a negative image of the Forrest Fenn, the originator of the chase. In fact, there is no evidence in the author's writing that the treasure was ever at the location described. It appears that this author is simply upset because he cannot find the treasure and has decided to create a page claiming that the treasure's location was found but the treasure was not there.

The page contains no proof of it's main claim...that the author has found the location of the chest... Keeping this page up in its original form is misleading. I have exchanged email with the author who claims the photo on the page is evidence that this is where the chest should be found...but his evidence proves nothing of the kind.

I don't believe this authors claim is substantiated. When I edit the page to remove the claim the author simply retires the page back to it's original form. Is there some way to resolve this issue? Can an author make an unfounded claim with no substantial evidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lummifilm (talk • contribs) 17:41, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I believe you were right to remove it. The contentious material violates Wikipedia's policy on

original research. Maproom (talk

) 18:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)