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-- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 13:19, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The Core Project Lists and Articles Define the Scope of this Project[1]
Terms and concepts was not my original idea, but was adapted straight from the Buddhism project. This article will in effect be one huge glossary of CAM terms. We would differ from the Buddhism project by restricting it just to the English language. The beauty of this glossary concept is that CAM developers will now be able to define hundreds of CAM terms in one paragraph without actually creating a new stub article. And, all the stub articles now in CAM could be physically deleted and moved to Terms and concepts.
The first thing that I will define in Terms and concepts will be all the terms used in the CAM Classifications section of our project's infobox. So, when operational the CAM Classifications section would all be hyperlinked to Terms and concepts. Concepts that can be developed into full blown CAM articles would also be in the Philosophy of series.
Thus, the CAM development process would be first to define the concept in Terms and concepts with a short paragraph or bulleted list. Next, a full blown article could be developed privately in the editors sandbox. Once the official article is created the link would be added to the Philosophy of series simple list article. And, a link to the actual CAM article would also be added to Terms and concepts definition. Finally, a link would be also added to the Index of Topics simple list article. The Index of Topics simple list article might become overwhelming and appear to duplicate other lists, but that is how the Buddhism project has implemented their List of Topics as far as I can figured out. It contains no text and looks like a book index. It is functioning as a master index of topics in Buddhism. -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 12:08, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Index of topics in alternative medicine
- See also: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of Buddhist topics
- See also:
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Philosophy of alternative medicine
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of miscellaneous topics related to alternative medicine
Future Proposed Goals & Tasks
Phase I of the WikiProject on alternative medicine would be to add both our custom message to the talk page and our customized infobox to the article side for all the branches of alternative medicine articles that are exclusively about CAM.
:All we will be doing is simply classifying all the fully developed CAM, without making any other changes to the article whatsoever. From what I have seen, there are quite a few of these articles to be classified.
:Please note that this has already been done in a few of the articles.
- Phase I has essentially been completed. The CAM classification systems have been debugged. The major branches have been classified and organized by sub-groupings. Clicking on the NCCAM classification hyperlink will now take you to a list of articles belonging to that classification. Traditional Chinese medicine has been set up as an independent series of articles. And, all the major branches that have been developed beyond a stub have their first draft of our infobox.
It is expected that a number of pseudoscience classifications will be upgraded later on to protoscience once evidence of effectiveness has been added to the article.-- John Gohde 20:04, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
- Phase I has essentially been completed. The CAM classification systems have been debugged. The major branches have been classified and organized by sub-groupings. Clicking on the NCCAM classification hyperlink will now take you to a list of articles belonging to that classification. Traditional Chinese medicine has been set up as an independent series of articles. And, all the major branches that have been developed beyond a stub have their first draft of our infobox.
Phase II, would be conducting compliance audits of the major branches of alternative medicine articles and other specific CAM articles that have a history of controversy in regards to their degree of compliance to our standards of quality guidelines as they presently are written. This would include maintaining a database of our reviews. And, I am thinking about disclosing on the talk pages of the article what we found wrong / right with the article.
:The mechanics of compliance audits have yet to be developed.
Phase III, will be covering the articles tangentially related to CAM.
- In Phase III, we would be covering the philosophy, famous people, and history articles, plus branches like cognitive behavior therapy., or our project, on these articles. Ideally, once a person finds one article in our series of articles they should be able to see a link to the other articles in our series. That is the objective of phase III.
- It is important that we mark the existence of category:alternative medicine
- We need to add at least one sentence to these articles that talks about or draws an association to alternative medicine.
- Ideally we need to add an alternative medicine section and perhaps a few research studies.
- We need to mark these articles in one way or another as being a part of category:alternative medicine. The bigger the box the better, but we have a number of alternatives that we can use to deal with hostile resistance to our attempts to label these articles.
- We may have to create a large number of duplicate articles, such as Body work (alternative medicine) which is a duplicate copy of Massage. Perhaps, for example, Wellness (alternative medicine) might be a better way to go than trying to clean up Wellness?
- At this point, we would have attracted the attention of quite a few editors who would have linked to our announcement page. We will be building community support in essence. Other people have already been editing our new articles. Let us give them time to build up the momentum of interest in working on CAM articles.
Phase IV would be aggressively correcting the major Branches of CAM articles in teams that have not already been cleaned up by other editors following the results of our previous compliance audits. And, we will be aggressively dealing in teams with the people who want to start edit wars by moving community support against them on an as needed basis.
- I firmly believe that we will be in the middle of Phase IV by the end of summer 2004.
Phase V would be cleaning up miscellaneous CAM related articles that should be mostly about CAM, but currently are not for whatever reason. Examples of these types of articles in need of being cleaned up, are as follows.
- Wellness
- Healers
- Multiple chemical sensitivity
- Physical therapy - A Professional Identity Crisis exists in physical therapy by a modern trend to call it a form of alternative medicine. This trend exists and is extensively documented on Google and in published research studies. So, we have every right to put an alternative view section in this co-called conventional medicine article.
- Manipulative therapywith VfD, or whatever.
-- John Gohde 21:25, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
Project on Alternative Medicine Template Deletion History
I am interested in finding the deletion history for these
on their respective talk pages indicate TfD noitces were posted Aug - Sept 2004, yet the Deletion Log for Sept has no record of anybody voting on these templates. What happened?- {{CamMenu}} -- TfD notice was posted in Sept 2004.
- {{CamBottom}} -- TfD notice was posted in Aug 2004.
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- {{CamFailed}}
- {{CamPassed}}
- -- John Gohde 08:07, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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The Project on Alternative Medicine was started long after projects were an accepted part of Wikipedia. Our Infobox was modeled after the long accepted infobox for the Project on Buddhism. This fact has been stated in a number of different places, such on our main project page. And on the original edit summaries and talk pages of each of the articles used in our project's infobox. This fact is undeniable. Our infobox is actually better than the Buddha box because it is smaller and more compact. So, any of the vile comments directed against our infobox goes double for the Buddha box. I will ask this question. When will you guys get around to deleting the Buddha box and all the other project infoboxes? John Gohde 04:38, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
February 4, 2005 -- The Next Phase of our WikiProject has officially begun.
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In some cases, the original infobox must be restored first before the update can be made. Do not feel bad about adding back our informative and beautiful infoboxes. Projects are an accepted part of Wikipedia.
The implementation of categories, at least in the area of alternative medicine, is a total mess. Category: Alternative medicine is woefully incomplete. Major articles are missing. Subcategories of alternative medicine like Category:Manipulative therapy and TCM have not been added to category: alternative medicine. In short, categories require a major effort at making them complete in both directions. John Gohde 08:11, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Case of Snowspinner Deliberately Destroying An Article
- I have responded to this at Talk:Alternative medicine. Snowspinner 00:05, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
Another case of Snowspinner vandalism?
I don't care to get into this debate, but I thought I'd write a note here alongside this other note above.
Template:CamNotice may have been vandalized. I don't really care about the arguments.. I reverted things. See Template talk:CamNotice for what I noted.
-- Sy / (talk) 23:36, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Alternative medicine stub template: --> CAM-stub
I created a stub template for the alternative medicine topic, {{CAM-stub}}, to be used instead of {{med-stub}} or {{treatment-stub}}. This is to separate conventional medicine articles from alternative medicine articles.
--CDN99 19:52, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Improvement drive
A related article,