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A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the On this day section on 11 dates. [show] June 12, 2004, June 12, 2005, June 12, 2006, June 12, 2007, February 11, 2008, February 11, 2009, June 12, 2009, February 11, 2010, February 11, 2011, February 11, 2012, and February 11, 2014

A news item involving Nelson Mandela was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 5 December 2013.

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Like Most Google doodle's for a day on the homepage are mentioned on Wikipedia, I think this deserves a brief mention. Of course almost everyone Knew about Mandela's existence without Google, I still think Google has helped with many people learning more about Mandela. It also of course reminded everyone that today is his birthday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.91.76 (talk) 07:06, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would question whether this is notable enough for inclusion, given the huge impact that Mandela has had on the world. Perhaps is would warrant inclusion on a page titled Legacy of Nelson Mandela or something of that nature. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not notable.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 13:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#mediaviewer/File:Nelson_Mandela-2008_(edit).jpg

The post under the BIO photograph, when the photo is clicked to enlarge, is:

"Nelson Mandela on the eve of his 90th birthday in Johannesburg in May 2008"

Except Nelson Mandela was born in July, not May.

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75.175.148.93 (talk) 19:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We do not need a "I support gay rights" quote from Mandela to write he supported gay rights if third party reliable sources make that assessment. Indeed, a politician saying, "I champion the rights of xxx!" is less valuable than independent sources making that assessment. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And now the same editor is deleting other sourced info. [1] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnuniq: I see you've restored the anti-abortion content. Any opinion on the gay rights sentence? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I got a bit confused there. I thought I was merely reverting the article to its established state so a discussion could occur (and I did not see any reason for the change), but when I checked a diff from how it was after my edit to how it was before the recent edits (diff) I saw that in fact some changes had occurred. I'm caught up looking at something elsewhere (two new users just added exactly the same text to two different articles within five minutes of each other; text which is on a third new user's sandbox). Please do whatever you think should be done here and I'll look later. Johnuniq (talk) 23:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnuniq: I'm not touching that piece as I'm at two reverts. Changes I made:

• Restored the anti-abortion text, tweaking it to fit the new source I found (the existing source's link seemed to go to a different article).
• Restored the gay rights text and added another source.

Have fun dealing with the new users :-) --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:51, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to edit the article to show my suggestion, but there is a minor problem which means I think it should be discussed first. One trivial point is that "for for" is now repeated in the article, and we can fix that on the next edit. The issue is that the following was removed:

"This belief drove him to not only pursue racial equality but also to promote gay rights as part of the post-apartheid reforms."

The original ref for the above is from NPR's SA correspondent, John Matisonn which says: "President Mandela supported gay rights and gay marriage from 1994 when he became president. And that's a couple of decades before any other head of government or head of state in the Western world. So he was really ahead of his time and continued to be." That addresses only the fact that Mandela promoted gay rights (a well-known fact), but does not address the "drove him" motivation claims. An additional ref is AP Worldstream via HighBeam, but I don't have access and the summary does not deal with the issue. My guess is that some rewording of the text is needed because I do not see a source for the claim about Mandela's motivation. The other changes look fine. Johnuniq (talk) 01:09, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnuniq: What about adding a comma to the previous sentence and adding on, "pursuing not only racial equality but also promoting gay rights as part of the post-apartheid reforms."? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed text is (this restores a recently removed source and adds a modified form of recently removed text):

He held a conviction that "inclusivity, accountability and freedom of speech" were the fundamentals of democracy,

natural and human rights,^[2] pursuing not only racial equality but also promoting gay rights as part of the post-apartheid reforms.^[3]

However, I'm having trouble finding a good source for "promoting gay rights". The fact seems obvious, but the right source eludes me. In addition to the sources mentioned above, I found lots of incidental commentary and:

• Mandela gave gay rights battle a legal framework (short opinion piece)
• LGBT rights were integrated into the vision of a new South Africa (interview with Albie Sachs)

Sorry, but I'll have to leave it for the moment. Johnuniq (talk) 04:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I made the edit using a better source: Mandela: A hero for all of us. Johnuniq (talk) 10:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]