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Demonym or Nationality?

I think states don't define themselves usually with Demonyms and usually Demonym isn't part of a country's information. We usually find nationality instead so I think that nationality is more appropriate and more comprehensive term to use not Demonyms. Thanks--

talk) 19:13, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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Hi, I was wondering why I haven't got a reply since 3 days?!. Anyway the factbook use Nationality not Demonym. the two words arent synonyms. The word Demonym will couse conflicts in some or many articles since people have verious understandings of what the word demonym mean like what is happening
talk) 18:49, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry, I didnt know of this rule. So I should now make a new disscusion again? or I should wait until someone reply to me?--
talk) 21:28, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply
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@SharabSalam Nationality is a word with several meanings. The citizens of a sovereign state or of a country is only one meaning. For that reason it is better to use another word. Denonym is less commonly used in English but is more accurate and therefore is a better word to use in the infobox. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Roger 8 Roger, Hi, Sorry I just noticed your reply, I went to google to see the other meaning the word nationality has it was "the status of belonging to a particular nation." it doesnt seem very different. As I said the word Demonym has unclear meaning and I mentioned a case where the word caused conflicting ideas of its meaning--SharabSalam (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Parameters

Primefac, I've gone through all the errors in Category:Pages using infobox country with unknown parameters and fixed most. Most remaining have more data in a "series" that the infobox allows. Should we increase these to accommodate the handful of articles that have a unusually large number of leaders or important events? Details below. MB 23:34, 14 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

event & date_event (done)

leader & year_leader (done)

established_event & established_date

pred/suc

deputy & year_deputy (done)

Should be doable. I'll put it on my list. Primefac (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

event, leader, and deputy were easy since it only involved adding some more params. Will come back and do the others later. Primefac (talk) 16:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 11 March 2019

If I read the code correctly, this template sets the size of |image_map_caption= to 90%. This results in 79.2% of the page default, well below the 85% minimum specified at

accessibility
issue. Please modify the template to eliminate reduction of |image_map_caption=—or, at minimum, change the reduction to 97%, which would result in 85.4% of the page default.

I am not competent in these internals, so I may be wrong that this fix is sufficient. If possible, please use a tool to verify that the size of the resulting text is not below 85% of the page default. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I removed the small font size formatting from the three map captions as well as the footnote text, and maybe one or two other places. I made the edit in the sandbox first and checked the testcases page to ensure that I did not break anything, since this template is highly visible. Ping me here with any problems. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Thank you very much! ―Mandruss ☎ 21:08, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive, pointless flag icons

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Should definition of "Regional languages" be amended?

Currently the requirements for inclusion are here: [1], and they state Languages recognised or associated with particular regions within the country/territory. This is far too broad and ill-defined a requirement because a given place can have an almost endless list of languages associated with it. For example, Latin can be associated as a regional language with the UK, or Dutch with NY state. Less absurd but still questionable would be to add Polish to the England infobox. Here [2] is an old discussion about this, although it does not relate directly to the point I am raising. Without a change, the infobox can be abused by editors promoting their own favourite language. I suggest the requirements for inclusion should be tightened, with ideas being welcome. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We could change it to official status in administrative units or something similar, which would be tighter and I think prevent it getting too long. CMD (talk) 14:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But that presumes that national and/or regional officialdom officializes the status of regional languages, and does that in a manner that satisfies this WP template's criteria. I'm somewhat aware of the status in the Philippines, which has ~185 languages ([3]), so I have that in mind as an example. The infobox in the Philippines article tries to do the job, listing languages officialized for schools (since a citeable officialized language list exists for that); the listings are per-province (Philippine provinces are sort-of administratively grouped into regions). Also, the Languages of the Philippines article says, "[Besides Filipino and English, the nationwide official languages], [t]he other regional languages are given official auxiliary status in their respective places according to the constitution but particular languages are not specified." (I've just tweaked that language). In short, the situation is messy, with the details of the messiness probably varying on a per-country basis. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The need for some form of officialisation was intentional within my suggestion, as it provides a limit. Officialised for schools could be a reasonable interpretation of that limit, but it could also be cut down to perhaps just Iloko. That would be something that could be discussed. It'll be impossible to find a clear definition that fits the nuances of every country, but I think moving from "associated with particular regions" would be a good idea. CMD (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was also thinking along the lines of the language having an official status of some sort. Another possibility would be to use only languages that are spoken as L1 and indigenous first languages in a country. That would capture, say, Scots Gaelic but exclude Manx and Cornish from the UK site. There would be problems with this though, particularly around whether a language is spoken as an L1 or L2. Whatever, I agree that no system is perfect but some form of tighter definition is needed and having official status seems a good starting point. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 11 May 2019

In addition to the largest city parameter, can you add the largest metro area parameter underneath the largest city parameter as in the Template:Infobox U.S. state and the Template:Infobox province or territory of Canada? Interstellarity (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. I have this feeling that this issue was discussed before and there was a lot of contention (mostly around the definition of what a "metro area" actually entails). However, I cannot find the discussion so let's start a new one and get opinions. Primefac (talk) 13:27, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: I have started the discussion below. Can you let others know of the discussion please? Interstellarity (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Metro area parameter

@Primefac, Fowler&fowler, and SshibumXZ: For this template, I was wondering if we should add the largest metro area parameter like we do with Template:Infobox U.S. state and Template:Infobox province or territory of Canada. See this discussion: Talk:India#Largest_city. Interstellarity (talk) 15:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cobblet: Maybe we could put the largest metropolitan area by that country's definition of a metropolitan area. Please see discussion Talk:India#Largest_city. Interstellarity (talk) 23:06, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic - ISO 3166 code UZ

Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic - where does ISO 3166 code UZ come from? 78.55.22.17 (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 78.55.22.17, that's a tricky question. I first thought it's from the Wikidata entry Q168811. However, it is not.
If you view the source code of Template:Infobox country and search for "ISO 3166", you'll notice a fallback template being used, Template:ISO 3166 code, which itself uses Module:ISO 3166. This module imports data from Module:ISO 3166/data/National. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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