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Template-protected edit request on 11 September 2018

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Add |continent= and |region= to the part of the template that says "Check for unknown parameters".

Those two parameters are in template code and the documentation, yet pages with them are placed into "Pages using infobox country with unknown parameters" and a warning is shown on preview saying that those parameters are unknown. Please fix this. Thank you.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  17:47, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Both of those parameters are deprecated post-merge. I have removed their usage in the /doc. Primefac (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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Just as in was done in template "Infobox settlement", I propose to reorder the presentation of timezones. Currently the time zone is represented like: EST (UTC−5). However codes like EST are globally not very well defined. Therefore I propose to reverse the order to UTC−5 (EST), putting the absolutely clear and unambiguous one first.−Woodstone (talk) 10:18, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done Enterprisey (talk!) 21:15, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing to this change. However the implementation is not complete. Unlike in the "settlement" template, when the offset is not given, the "timezone" is preceded by a blank and is still within brackets. Furthermore the DST should be treated as well. −Woodstone (talk) 07:01, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Woodstone, should work now. Frietjes (talk) 13:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Confirmed and thanks again. −Woodstone (talk) 15:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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| label124= [[Right- and left-hand traffic|Drives on the]]

Minor change, please change

changed. Frietjes (talk) 14:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to propose changing the appearance of |native_name= to be unbolded text and a smaller font size than |conventional_long_name=. The current default appearance can be particularly messy when dealing with countries that have multiple native languages/transliteration styles to account for. Thanks, Horserice (talk) 21:49, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Support unbolding, but oppose smaller text. Smaller text is an accessibility issue. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC).

 Done. Primefac (talk) 13:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Should the same be done with {{Infobox settlement}}? Thayts ••• 19:36, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Rebestalic here.

I think the 'drives on the' element of the Infobox should be changed to 'driving side'. This would improve formality.

Thank you, Rebestalic (talk) 00:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Will leave for a bit for other comment. If no objections in a few days, I'll make the change. Primefac (talk) 14:24, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Support. I feel like the wording would be much better this newer way, and I don't see why it would be a problem. Primefac, do you want to go ahead and add it? It's been a few weeks now and no one's opposed the change.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 02:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I think the word right/left should be written in sentence case. --

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Hello. I use this template on Azerbaijani Wikipedia. But I want change somethings, for example you use |gini= parameter like 39.6 but I have to use like 39,7 (with comma). How I can change it? --Drabdullayev17 (talk) 12:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Since the templates for former and current countries merged a few years ago, the information about the entities preceding and succeeding former countries have been moved from the top of the infobox to the very bottom. In my experience, this information is very important and widely used when browsing historical countries, certainly more than mottos and anthems, which are near the top now, and I believe it would aid navigation and improve the experience significantly if it was moved to the top of the infobox instead. Therefore, I propose that it be moved to a position below the dates of the country's existence, but above the flag and coat of arms (or alternatively immediately below them). For those countries which have long predecessor and/or successor lists, it could optionally be collapsed and click-to-expand. Kranix (talk | contribs) 13:57, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

In the

infobox former country}} the preceding/succeeding flags would only be shown if |successorflags=yes; otherwise, they would show at the bottom. In coding, testing, and example-checking the merger I found that there were no instances of the template using this specific parameter, and so I felt no need to include the duplicate coding to allow such an option. Primefac (talk

) 02:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I thought the merger was much older – in fact, this was changed while the templates were still separate. IIRC, the justification was that the successorflags option displayed the countries' flags only, and it was deemed unlikely that readers would be able to recognize this. What I am proposing is not an icon-only format, but a format with icon and text much like the one currently used at the bottom of the infobox, just at the top instead – for pages on which this would not be too unwiedly. Kranix (talk | contribs) 15:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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The {{{flag}}} parameter exists, but is not included in the known parameters list, causing the template to show a warning message in preview mode:

Could someone please add it? Thanks. Thayts ••• 19:14, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

leader1 does not display if there is no corresponding year_leader1. Koopinator (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Example: This revision of Reichskommissariat Moskowien does not tell who was the Reichskommissar was, even though the information was present in the infobox.

I'd solve this by inserting a <br> whenever there is no year inserted but there is a leader inserted.

I think your fix works better, because if there's no year listed, there shouldn't be a leader there. Primefac (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

But it still omits information that has been inserted. Besides, in older versions of the template it used to be displayed (archive) even if there was no corresponding year. Koopinator (talk) 18:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The template was merged and changes were made. I see zero reason why you would want to include a leader but not the year(s) they held that position. Primefac (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Because all information that was previously inserted under the presumption that it would be displayed even if there was no year, is now no longer displayed. Take the example i provided: I added no new information, i just moved a string to get it to display properly again. Koopinator (talk) 19:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The way the merged template is set up is that there needs to be a year_leaderX in order to display. This is to avoid having a blank bullet point, which was an issue brought up when the templates were first merged. Primefac (talk) 19:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent the flag_caption parameter from automatically linking to a page regardless of the caption text? This is very problematic in situations where one entity has multiple equally official flags which should ideally link the reader to two different pages. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:45, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

BrendonTheWizard can you point to a particular article? Frietjes (talk) 18:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

An example would be New Caledonia which has two equally official flags, one of which is the Flag of France. Though not critically necessary, it would be ideal if the infobox could link to both the article for the French flag and the article for the co-official flag. Unfortunately, it is not currently possible to link to both articles in the caption, as it attempts to automatically link to one article. It would automatically link to "Flag of New Caledonia" but it would be beneficial if this template could support uncommon cases like this where we would want two articles. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:15, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

But the linked article does explain why there are two flags. Primefac (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

It is still ideal if the readers can quickly access the articles for both flags from the country page, as the Flag of New Caledonia article doesn't have any information about the Flag of France. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 02:04, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

@BrendonTheWizard, Primefac, and Koopinator: In the infoboxes of the countries, we state the largest cities of different countries. However, there are many ways to determine the largest/most populous city of a country. You can measure the population of the metropolitan area or the city proper. Do Wikipedia have set guidelines on what to consider the largest city of a country? Has there ever been a discussion on what to consider the largest city? --Mstrojny (talk) 23:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I've got limited on-wiki search capabilities at the moment, but from the few discussions I've seen in random places it looks like it depends on what the references say. If it's not sourced, it shouldn't be in the IB? Primefac (talk) 23:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@BrendonTheWizard, Primefac, and Koopinator: The articles China and India say that Shanghai and Mumbai respectively are the largest cities in those countries. I looked at some sources to confirm this and they all have different cities as the largest cities. Here are some that I looked at: The Largest Cities In China, The 20 Largest Cities in China , Population of Cities in China (2018), The Biggest Cities In India, Top 10 Largest Cities in India by Population [Latest Figures and Numbers], List of the Largest Cities in India . Hope this helps. --Mstrojny (talk) 00:30, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

It's another template, but I've noticed that Template:Largest cities of Israel seems to be set up exclusively for the benefit of administrative subdivision geeks, and does almost nothing to help ordinary people find out the things that they would want to know if they asked what was the largest city in Israel. It's also apparently the basis of the the arguably wrong largest city in the infobox of the "Israel" article... AnonMoos (talk) 18:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

With no objective way of determining what method is better, it seems like the best thing is to ensure that we at least use the same metric across the board. Our article on largest cities provides a list of three commonly used definitions (presumably there are other contenders as well). Will one of them serve? Matt Deres (talk) 20:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

So I noticed that in infoboxes with only one entry in the history section, there tended to be a random bar separating the main event and the events/dates below it. See Botswana and Gabon as examples. Not a big deal but it looks it a bit off from the usual format. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

The template seems to accept undocumented |map_caption= and documented |image_map_caption= using the last one specified. MB 16:40, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Primefac, very minor fix requested. Thanks. MB 19:28, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're asking for - generally if a parameter is undocumented it's either a deprecated param (which too many transclusions to just remove easily) or an alternate spelling/wording just in case people forget/mistype the main/documented one. Primefac (talk) 22:40, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

There is just some ambiguity if both parameters are used simultaneously. It looks like in that case, the undocumented |map_caption= has preference. Someone could not get the caption they intended by following the documentation if they didn't notice the other field was also used. I think |map_caption= should be fully deprecated. MB 00:35, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

The template automatically wikilinks |s=

Depends on the weight of the numbers. If this is a one-off failure of the template, then I'd say let's stick with the common usage. If there are more instances of this than "normal" parameter names, then I'd say correct this usage and call it good. The third option, which is the most technically convoluted, is to code it so that it auto-links if there's nothing other than a name, but that gets hella complicated. Primefac (talk) 00:01, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't follow what you are saying. This may be a on-off failure. But what do you mean be correct his usage? Remove the ref? (I guess a ref for the same fact in the article would suffice). MB 00:40, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

I think I mistyped. Option 1: This is the only (or one of the only) instances, and we just fix it (in this case, by removing the ref). Option 2: default to not-wikilinked text because this sort of thing happens a lot. Primefac (talk) 04:33, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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Please, open! Marie Gulleya (talk) 07:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a

reliable source if appropriate. — JJMC89 (T·C

) 07:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

What is the formal process for proposing an addition to country info boxes? The info boxes are already quite amazing for quick glances relating to economics, linguistics, demographics, geography, etc. but they seem to be lacking in political science information. The Democracy-Dictatorship Index (DD Index) and the Polity IV Dataset are used extensively throughout the field of comparative politics and international relations yet their coding for each country are only available on their respective pages. Up until recently the DD Index coding was not even available in the article (I have since added it).

The info-boxes already contain the "official" categorization of each country's government and legislature but these are largely not used within the field of political science. There is however abundant information already available for economics and some international politics like GDP, PPP, Gini, and HDI. I would like to propose adding additional information to the info-boxes either immediately after the "Government" and "Legislature" sections or immediately after the "Gini" and "HDI" sections: the DD Index categorization (there are six possible) and the Polity IV ranking (both number and categorical name). These could be roughly of the format (using Nigeria as an example):

DD Index (2008) Presidential Democracy

DD Index data exist since 1946 and Polity IV goes back to 1800.

As I've said, DD Index and Polity IV are used extensively throughout the field of political science and especially comparative politics. In an introductory textbook in comparative politics they are listed as the two most common ways of measuring democracy.^[1] I'm currently studying comparative politics and have used both datasets in my undergraduate research and for numerous assignments as well as my own personal knowledge. As of the writing on this post, the latest data for Democracy-Dictatorship Index has 641 citations^[2] and the Polity dataset (of which Polity IV is the latest)

I just want to know the official route I can go down to propose this? I'm a bit new to the background workings of Wikipedia but I've been editing for quite a while.

Thanks--Olfbir (talk) 11:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

You've just done so. Other editors will likely comment here and either support or oppose your proposal. Primefac (talk) 15:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

When will it be officially decided on? Is there a formal vote of sorts after a certain time has passed?--Olfbir (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Depends on when/if people see this notice, how they feel about the proposal, etc. Could be a few days, could end up being turned into an

RFC that lasts a month. Primefac (talk

) 17:16, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

So the thread has been archived do to a lack of activity. Can I assume this means that no one objects or should I make a RfC on the topic?Olfbir (talk) 21:27, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

It hasn't even been a week. Please be patient. Primefac (talk) 15:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Additional infobox language options

On the

Republic of Macedonia page a new linguistic situation has occurred with laws and so on and a new need has arisen for more alternatives to accommodate things. Is it possible to extend one of the options (i.e |languages2_type) in the infobox for language. For the infobox template what needed is |languages3_type, |languages3 =, |languages3_sub =. @Illegitimate Barrister:, if possible and when time permits could you do it. Best.Resnjari (talk

) 01:42, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Issue has been resolved at the article.Resnjari (talk) 15:37, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Parameters

Primefac, I've gone through all the errors in Category:Pages using infobox country with unknown parameters and fixed most. Most remaining have more data in a "series" that the infobox allows. Should we increase these to accommodate the handful of articles that have a unusually large number of leaders or important events? Details below. MB 23:34, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

event & date_event (done)

• French Indochina, event 7-8
• British America, event 7-9
• County of Nice, event7-8
• Kingdom of Jerusalem, event7
• Macedonia (ancient kingdom), event 7
• Ngô dynasty, event 7
• Portuguese Empire, event 7-9
• Shule Kingdom, event 7-8
• Ethiopian Empire, event 7

leader & year_leader (done)

• Ahmadnagar Sultanate, leader 12-14
• Duchy of Württemberg, leader 12-15
• Lanfang Republic, leader 12-13
• Cai (state), leader 12-15
• Kingdom of Pontus, leader 12-14

established_event & established_date

• Ukraine, established_event 16-17

pred/suc

• Mongol Empire, p16
• Ottoman Empire, p16-17, s16-20

deputy & year_deputy (done)

• Kingdom of Great Britain, deputy 7
• Icelandic Commonwealth, deputy 7-13

Should be doable. I'll put it on my list. Primefac (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

event, leader, and deputy were easy since it only involved adding some more params. Will come back and do the others later. Primefac (talk) 16:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 March 2019

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If I read the code correctly, this template sets the size of |image_map_caption= to 90%. This results in 79.2% of the page default, well below the 85% minimum specified at

accessibility

issue. Please modify the template to eliminate reduction of |image_map_caption=—or, at minimum, change the reduction to 97%, which would result in 85.4% of the page default.

I am not competent in these internals, so I may be wrong that this fix is sufficient. If possible, please use a tool to verify that the size of the resulting text is not below 85% of the page default. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done I removed the small font size formatting from the three map captions as well as the footnote text, and maybe one or two other places. I made the edit in the sandbox first and checked the testcases page to ensure that I did not break anything, since this template is highly visible. Ping me here with any problems. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:31, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

 Thank you very much! ―Mandruss ☎ 21:08, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Excessive, pointless flag icons

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

This template's overuse, even misuse, of flag icons is under discussion at

WT:MOSICONS#Flagicons in predecessor/successor.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢

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Should definition of "Regional languages" be amended?

Currently the requirements for inclusion are here: [1], and they state Languages recognised or associated with particular regions within the country/territory. This is far too broad and ill-defined a requirement because a given place can have an almost endless list of languages associated with it. For example, Latin can be associated as a regional language with the UK, or Dutch with NY state. Less absurd but still questionable would be to add Polish to the England infobox. Here [2] is an old discussion about this, although it does not relate directly to the point I am raising. Without a change, the infobox can be abused by editors promoting their own favourite language. I suggest the requirements for inclusion should be tightened, with ideas being welcome. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

We could change it to official status in administrative units or something similar, which would be tighter and I think prevent it getting too long. CMD (talk) 14:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

But that presumes that national and/or regional officialdom officializes the status of regional languages, and does that in a manner that satisfies this WP template's criteria. I'm somewhat aware of the status in the Philippines, which has ~185 languages ([3]), so I have that in mind as an example. The infobox in the Philippines article tries to do the job, listing languages officialized for schools (since a citeable officialized language list exists for that); the listings are per-province (Philippine provinces are sort-of administratively grouped into regions). Also, the Languages of the Philippines article says, "[Besides Filipino and English, the nationwide official languages], [t]he other regional languages are given official auxiliary status in their respective places according to the constitution but particular languages are not specified." (I've just tweaked that language). In short, the situation is messy, with the details of the messiness probably varying on a per-country basis. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

The need for some form of officialisation was intentional within my suggestion, as it provides a limit. Officialised for schools could be a reasonable interpretation of that limit, but it could also be cut down to perhaps just Iloko. That would be something that could be discussed. It'll be impossible to find a clear definition that fits the nuances of every country, but I think moving from "associated with particular regions" would be a good idea. CMD (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I was also thinking along the lines of the language having an official status of some sort. Another possibility would be to use only languages that are spoken as L1 and indigenous first languages in a country. That would capture, say, Scots Gaelic but exclude Manx and Cornish from the UK site. There would be problems with this though, particularly around whether a language is spoken as an L1 or L2. Whatever, I agree that no system is perfect but some form of tighter definition is needed and having official status seems a good starting point. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Demonym or Nationality?

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I think states don't define themselves usually with Demonyms and usually Demonym isn't part of a country's information. We usually find nationality instead so I think that nationality is more appropriate and more comprehensive term to use not Demonyms. Thanks--

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Hi, I was wondering why I haven't got a reply since 3 days?!. Anyway the factbook use Nationality not Demonym. the two words arent synonyms. The word Demonym will couse conflicts in some or many articles since people have verious understandings of what the word demonym mean like what is happening

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) 18:49, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I didnt know of this rule. So I should now make a new disscusion again? or I should wait until someone reply to me?--

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@SharabSalam Nationality is a word with several meanings. The citizens of a sovereign state or of a country is only one meaning. For that reason it is better to use another word. Denonym is less commonly used in English but is more accurate and therefore is a better word to use in the infobox. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Roger 8 Roger, Hi, Sorry I just noticed your reply, I went to google to see the other meaning the word nationality has it was "the status of belonging to a particular nation." it doesnt seem very different. As I said the word Demonym has unclear meaning and I mentioned a case where the word caused conflicting ideas of its meaning--SharabSalam (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 May 2019

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In addition to the largest city parameter, can you add the largest metro area parameter underneath the largest city parameter as in the Template:Infobox U.S. state and the Template:Infobox province or territory of Canada? Interstellarity (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. I have this feeling that this issue was discussed before and there was a lot of contention (mostly around the definition of what a "metro area" actually entails). However, I cannot find the discussion so let's start a new one and get opinions. Primefac (talk) 13:27, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@Primefac: I have started the discussion below. Can you let others know of the discussion please? Interstellarity (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic - ISO 3166 code UZ

Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic - where does ISO 3166 code UZ come from? 78.55.22.17 (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi 78.55.22.17, that's a tricky question. I first thought it's from the Wikidata entry Q168811. However, it is not.

If you view the source code of Template:Infobox country and search for "ISO 3166", you'll notice a fallback template being used, Template:ISO 3166 code, which itself uses Module:ISO 3166. This module imports data from Module:ISO 3166/data/National. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Multiple name parameters

The infobox should have parameters for more than one name at the top as many defunct states have had more than one name throughout their existence, such as the Moldovan SSR, the Tajik SSR, the Estonian SSR, and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I would argue that having multiple names in the title/above space would be problematic, but I could potentially see an "other names" parameter that would go under maybe the flag/COA. Some might also feel that such information would be best left to the opening sentence. I can code up whatever consensus decides, though. Primefac (talk) 11:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

I would like to see more details for how this would look. If one name is more dominant, for reasons of duration or current usage or other criteria, it may be better to keep that one prominent, and do something like South Africa does for the others. CMD (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

It would presumably look something like this ad-hoc method. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 12:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to re-remove the patron saint parameter

The patron saint parameter was removed in 2007 per consensus here. However, it was later re-added without discussion or even an edit summary. I would like to re-remove the parameter for the following reasons:

• It is Christian-centric. We do not provide any other religion-specific parameters in the infobox such as caliph or national god.
• It is often misused. Although many countries have an unofficial national patron saint (like Romania), only a few explicitly Christian governments have an official patron saint. People seem to fill in this parameter whether it official or not, however.
• It is trivial information and doesn't belong in the infobox. The country infobox is already crufty enough without adding fields such as this that are of limited interest and usefulness.

Does anyone have any other opinions on the matter? Kaldari (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Re-addition of a parameter after consensus determined it should be removed is enough for me to get rid of it. I'll leave it in the parameter check for now in case there is opposition, but if there's no movement in a week or two then I'll go through and remove the params from the 50ish pages that use it. Primefac (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Metro area parameter

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

There is no consensus to implement this parameter, however with only two opinions other than the proposer there is no prejudice against simply re-opening this as a discussion. Primefac (talk) 16:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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@Primefac, Fowler&fowler, and SshibumXZ: For this template, I was wondering if we should add the largest metro area parameter like we do with Template:Infobox U.S. state and Template:Infobox province or territory of Canada. See this discussion: Talk:India#Largest_city. Interstellarity (talk) 15:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment In general this is a bad idea, because most countries do not have official definitions of metropolitan areas. Cobblet (talk) 21:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@Cobblet: Maybe we could put the largest metropolitan area by that country's definition of a metropolitan area. Please see discussion Talk:India#Largest_city. Interstellarity (talk) 23:06, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support —
  National Capital Region, Mumbai Metropolitan Region, Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority, and National Capital Regional Planning Board. Hence, I would say that adding the proposed parameter won't hurt and would have a good amount of benefits. Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs
  ). 17:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

official_language (singular)

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I think there ought to be a singular alternative to official_languages, since the majority of countries have just one. Also because something just feels off when a country's sole official language is accompanied by a label in plural. Code has been tested in the sandbox. Don't forget to add official_language to the unknown parameter check.

| rowclass12 = mergedtoprow
| label12 = Official {{#if:{{{official_language|}}}|language|languages}}
| data12 = {{if empty| {{{official_language|}}} | {{{official_languages|}}} }}

Take care! Jay D. Easy (t • c) 13:47, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Primefac: thanks! You did, however, forget to add it to the unknown parameter check. Jay D. Easy (t • c) 19:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Whoops! Thanks. Primefac (talk) 13:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Update: I can't seem to get it to save... getting a JSON error... will keep trying. Primefac (talk) 13:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

A bit fast there, no time for discussion or consensus. I do not see anything particularly strange about having only one language noted under 'official languages'. A better change would be to have something to distinguish the importance /weight given to each official language. As it stands, all official languages are treated as equally important within a country, when they are not. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 14:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

It's a relatively uncontroversial edit that I've made to dozens of templates over the years; there was no need for discussion or consensus. However, since there is now opposition, I have rolled back these changes. Primefac (talk) 10:32, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

This is exactly why I put in this request without checking for consensus. I judged it to be a minor and uncontroversial request, solely for grammatic purposes. I do believe Roger 8 Roger is reading too much into it, and to be honest, I do not understand what is meant by "As it stands, all official languages are treated as equally important within a country, when they are not." Jay D. Easy (t • c) 07:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

I see your point and just to be clear, I do not really object to your change, I just see it as not particularly necessary. Sorry if it can across as an objection. My position is best described as neutral. About the other point I made -- many countries have more than one official language. Some of those are official because a particular piece of legislation gives them that status. However, those languages are invariable only official in a limited capacity, as defined by the legislation. An example is NZ with three official languages. English is 100% official in every situation; Maori is official in many situations, as defined by its own Maori language act; NZ sign language also has statute making it official but in very limited situations. If used in the infobox all three would be seen as equally important, ie they are all 'official', but they clearly are not equal. This creates undue weight being given, in this example, to Maori and particularly to NZ sign language. How to stop that happening is really the point of my earlier comment. Sorry for not being clearer. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Anthem para

On another singular/plural issue, |anthem= and |anthems= both seem to work, but |anthems= nevertheless causes a error. See Greenland. MB 04:04, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed. Param wasn't in the catcheck. Primefac (talk) 00:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)