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Although every online source I've ever seen claims the KISS logo was Frehley's creation, there was a strikingly similar font used by a late-60s/early-70s New York publication of the same name. It was an X-rated newspaper-type magazine, along the lines of

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGrdZsZ5xJg&t=110s only the guitar part was true. Did not get the other stuff for Christmas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hockey16 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ah well - c'est la vie: http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1268780.php/Ace_Frehley_is_alive_and_kicking_despite_rumors_of_suicide Caliban23 18:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That site is a fake news generator. Try replacing "ace.frehley" with any other name and you'll get the same thing. See this, this, and this for examples. Sorry if I've made any format errors; I don't use the talk pages much. 68.178.24.34 10:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any mention of him being dead that isn't this article. Anyone have a source? 65.29.60.103 16:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I could not find any sources either. Under

WP:BOLP we can't allow such a claim unless it is sourced. Danski14 19:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply

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• It's vandalism, plain and simple. If reverting becomes too much of a hassle, then
  WP:SEMI is in order. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 20:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Wasn't there a reference to Fark.com included with the edit? I just reloaded to check and it's gone.
  • I didn't catch it. I suspect the vandalism stems from a FARK.com thread referenced to Britney Spears latest rehabilitation check out. I checked CNN, and Los Angeles news sites 5 minutes ago and no reports of Ace being deceased. To0n 20:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good catch on the fark thing. I just put in a request for semi-protection. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 20:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • totally fake, i checked yahoo, msn and google. some people are just idiots. at least make it MORE believeable. what gave it away was quoting an exact amount of pills. lol seriously, if they've had time to count the pills, some news source has had time to cover it. --(Jeddiebyrd 09:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC))[reply]

• • Does anyone know what's really going on here at this point? I think this is a scam. Thegreenefairy 10:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• "Scam" implies intelligence. This is idiocy, plain and simple. Trust me when I say I would know if something like this were true. The semi-protection will help this stuff a lot. Registered users who add this info will be warned appropriately, then blocked. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 14:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take it for what you will, but the news stems from Hal Sparks' MySpace blog. I can't link because it's a blacklisted site, but I'm sure if you google for his MySpace you'll be able to find it.

• Good find. People are so gullible. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 15:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can we ban the Moron, I just had to clean up the discussion thread too...

• Tough to ban an anonymous IP, unfortunately. The mods don't like to do it unless it's really serious. --Cholmes75 17:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gene and Paul left Wicked Lester to make their new band, KISS was never called Wicked Lester. 24.108.68.4 02:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, according to several direct sources including the box set liner notes and Sex Money Kiss, Gene and Paul were still thinking of the band that would soon be KISS as a new lineup of Wicked Lester when they auditioned Peter and Ace. It wasn't until Ace joined that the name KISS was decided upon. Gene's statements in particular have been contradictory and inconsistent about this, though. wikipediatrix 02:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely. There was no one left in Wicked Lester to fire by that point anyway. When Criss joined, WL was a trio. [1] --cholmes75 14:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All four solo albums are listed as KISS albums on their website. They are also listed as KISS albums on allmusic.com. And according to the rather comprehensive book The Kiss Album Focus, the albums all counted against KISS's contract with Casablanca Records. In the future, I ask that you bring things like this up BEFORE making changes. --cholmes75 16:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The trivia section has been marked as Uncited since November. Since no one else has made an effort to source the info, I am removing the section. Any information of a trivia-like nature that is re-added will be erased if a verifiable source is not included. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 17:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cholmes75,

Regarding this, I must mention that not all info was without references. I added the info on the VH1's Most Metal Moments countdown, even citing in what place his incident came in. I thought I was specific enough as to where that came from, and is easily verifiable. Do you need a link the to countdown on VH1's site or is just mentioning where it came from enough for you? The same goes for the Dimebag Darrell tattoo, info which is also on Dimebag's article and also shown on VH1.

Thanks.

• After pondering the issue more, I think the trivia section should stay out, even when stuff is supported by cites. I refer to the guideline at
  WP:TRIV for my reasoning. Simply put, I don't think Dimebag Darrell having a tattoo of Ace is something that the article needs. For other things, it would be much better if they could be integrated into the main article body. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 17:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Ace Frehley is a

German-American and proud of it, like he has said in many interviews, also in Germany. It is strange, German descent is having a hard time at Wikipedia, if Indian, Jewish or African, heritage is always added, but, like Elvis Presley, if German is involved, everything is deleted, because "source is not serious" or whatever. Very strange ... why this anti-German discrimination??? By the way, Peter Criss (Criscuola), Vinnie Vincent (Cusano), and the late Eric Carr (Carravello) are Italian-Americans, Paul Stanley (Stan Eisen) and Gene Simmons (Chaim Witz) are Jews. I'm sure, THAT is not deleted within THEIR articles! --Hyperboreer 21:15, 13 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperboreer (talk • contribs

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The link that was added to SpaceAceOnline was added because it is the only website out there that has up to date news on Ace Frehley. The link to this site is also found on Charley Frehley's (Ace's brother) website thebridgeband.com , on Eddie Trunk and Anton Figs websites. This is the closest thing Ace has to an offical site, it is a very informative, accurate and well laid out site and should be listed on his wikipedia page. Thanks, Space Ace Online 17:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)Space Ace OnlineSpace Ace Online 17:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I intially reverted this addition as it appeared to be common spamlinking. The editor has offered perhaps a plausible explanation to suggest that this may be an appropriate link (according to

WP:EL) and it should be included. I'd ask that the regular editors 'round these parts evaluate the link for its appropriateness and a come to a rough consensus. Sound reasonable? — Scientizzle 18:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply

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If there is anything really newsworthy concerning Ace, why can't it just be added here? Also, please see [[2]]. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 19:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of adding the link is to allow fans to know what is going on in the world of Ace Frehley. All current news that is posted on Space Ace Online would not necessarily fall under a category to be added on his wiki page, such as the recent coffeehouse appearance. That is not something that would need to be added to his bio page here but is information his fans would love to know about. I would also love to edit and revise a couple of inconsistencies in his page here, but would like to see how this pans out, as I don't want to step on any toes or upset any one here. We have also been thanked personally by Ace Frehley himself for running such an amazing site, and we are sure he'd approve of the link being added to his wiki page. Take care & ROCK ON!!! Space Ace Online 19:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you find any factual errors in the article, by all means fix them. If possible, please provide a source for the corrections though. Books or magazine article are good to use for example. As for your site - the purpose of Wikipedia articles is not to act as a clearinghouse of all sorts of information and trivia for fans, or to promote fan sites. Ace's coffeehouse appearance definitely wouldn't belong here, to use your example. Ace appearing at the VH-1 Rock Honors show does belong since it was a highly publicized event and a rare recent live performance. This is not a knock against your site, so please don't take it that way. But from browsing the site, I don't see how it meets the criteria for inclusion listed on

WP:EL. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 20:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply

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Then I guess I just don't "get it" as far as wikipedia is concerned. I went to the KISS page here too. Saw that all members have a page listed, all except for Ace that is. The pages listed for Paul, Gene, etc go to pages no different than SpaceAceOnline. To educate as well as inform fans of current events in that artists life, which is all we were trying to do here, that was prompted by many fans of Aces suggesting this to us. Apparently they don't "get it" either. Again this was just to reach more fans about Aces current events which the coffeehouse appearance is something his fans would want to know about, but wouldn't if all they do is look here, just like gene's fans would like to know he's talking up a new business deal, again something that doesn't belong on wikipedia but is on the page wikipedia externally links to for him. Reading this on the link you sent me too:

Wikipedia articles can include links to Web pages outside Wikipedia. Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as *amount of detail* Again SpaceAceOnline falls within that guideline, a guideline you sent me to. Thanks & ROCK ON!!!! Space Ace Online 20:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS From the internal link you sent me to:

1. Try to avoid linking to multiple pages from the same website; instead, try to find an appropriate linking page within the site

I linked only to our NEWS page, a place his fans would most likely want to go to, not to the home page that would make the reader have to navigate to where they think they want to be.

2. Is it accessible to the reader?

YES

3. Is it proper in the context of the article (useful, tasteful, informative, factual, etc.)?

YES

4. Is it a functional link, and likely to continue being a functional link?

We've been around since 2000 Man, we have no intention of going bye bye....EVER :-)

5. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.

I think this one as a YES is "pretty self explanatory" to quote Ace.

I'm afraid I'm not sure how all this works, but I have to agree here with Space Ace Online, simply because it is the ONLY place to go for updated Ace Frehley news, just as the external sites of the other band members. I think it is important for fans to be able to find CURRENT news and info, as well as accurate history and biography such as is on wikipedia. Space Ace Online has been around for years and has a loyal following of Ace fans who DO count on it for recent news, which I certainly count myself among! Also if you look up their domain information, you'll see that they're currently registered until the year 2012, so I'm pretty sure they're not going anywhere! I don't see these girls stopping this page for anything! Of course it's completely up to the editors, but if I could have a vote I would give it an adamant YES!!! Thanks for your time! NYFrehleyFan 21:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Can you provide some examples of the meaningful, relevant content that the news portion of the site provides? Links would be great. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 15:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dude it is all in the link that was initially provided. spaceaceonline.com/phpnuke. Contains current news & reviews that has meaningful content that his fans would like to read. If you're not a fan you and are just looking for a reason to shoot us down just say so Space Ace Online 16:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it's been 4 days since the original post started and 2 days since my last post and no real objections, so I have re-added the link here and on the KISS page! Rock On!!! Space Ace Online 09:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So who keeps removing the link? It has been approved to be here, so why is someone removing it and not explaining why here? Space Ace Online 09:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Huh? Who approved it? --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 14:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No one had an issue after the allotted time given by scientizzle! If you have an issue after all that has been said here why all of a sudden are you messing with it when it's been up for over 2 weeks? Please explain, thanks! We answered all the questions you did have and being as no one else had an issue, we see it as a 3 to 1 in favor of it being up.Space Ace Online 23:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed again... No reason given. I've been working for the past 2 weeks aside from my 44 hour a week job to correct all the major inconsistencies and mis-information that has been allowed to remain on Ace's page here (what a travesty). How sad that an "encyclopedia" would allow such mis information to remain on a "biography" page. But don't worry we can take a hint. If our link is removed again, without a reasonable reason given so be it, we'll scrap the last 2 weeks of generous work we've done and be proud to know that we are the ONLY place on the internet where one can actually get sourced and CORRECT information about Ace Frehley. However if you leave us alone allow our link to stay as it SHOULD, we will contribute generously. Space Ace Online 01:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just based on my first glance, I would say this link has been deleted because it's a fan site which is generally frowned upon in accordance with

WP:EL. And I'm very sorry that you have gotten the wrong idea, but anything you contribute to wikipedia becomes public domain. You don't OWN your contributions. Nor do you gain the right to force your website to be accepted in return for your edits. I'm sorry if this is a problem for you, but things don't work that way here. Trusilver 01:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply

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Maybe if you actually took the time to read this entire discussion you'd see that your first glance is wrong... And where did I say I OWN anything? For me to make that statement I would have to actually contribute to this place now wouldn't I? Oh another wrong impression on your part, continue to give people misleading and incorrect information, really no skin off our backs at all.... Oh well, this place is not worth our effort... LaterSpace Ace Online 02:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allow me to clear up a few misconceptions you seem to have about Wikipedia. First, matters on this site are not decided with a vote, but rather through consensus. The two are similar but not quite the same. And in this case, you are mistaking a lack of vocal opposition with consensus. The Ace Frehley article is not a high-traffic article so that's probably why we didn't get more discussion here. Nevertheless we had one person in favor of keeping your link (you) and one clear oppose (me). Scientizzle did not offer an opinion either way, and NYFrehleyFan seems to have only registered for the purpose of supporting you (in most areas of this site that would lead to his/her opinion being discounted). That, in the world of Wikipedia, is not consensus.

I hope you don't take any of this as an attack on you or your site. It's unfortunate that someone as into technology as Ace has not chosen to start or endorse an official site, but that's the way it is. The problem is that if we allow your site to be linked, what's to stop a dozen other Ace Frehley site owners from wanting to have theirs included? Wikipedia exists to provide encyclopedic knowledge on its subjects, not to let fans know what their favorite musician/actor/politician is up to.

You are obviously very passionate about Ace, and that's great. I hope you don't let this experience sour you on Wikipedia, as I think you could offer great value by updating this article and making it better than it is. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 14:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is apparent that you, Cholmes75, are a bit biased in your own right. You allow unofficial websites on every other corner of Wikipedia, but you do not consider Ace Frehley important enough to allow. I have reviewed the site myself, and I believe it is the closest to 'official' as you will ever get. I cast out my opinion(however worthless it is deemed in your eyes) for the allowance of linking to his site.

23:22, 12 October 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.215.137 (talk)

I'm not sure why, but a celebrity who has a fan forum shouldn't the link be allowed on the page if it is a valid website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.181.254 (talk) 10:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fansites, forums and blogs are a violation of Wikipedia's

External links policy and repeated addition of spam links will result in a block. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 10:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply

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If there is fanspam on the Johnny Cash pages then feel free to remove it. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 11:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we better get Ace to make an Official Website, since the Double Standard doesn't apply to Gene Simmons lol. Figures. DoubleStanderPedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChangeOfFate (talk • contribs) 11:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My site is not "spam" or any kind of violation. It's a place for Ace fans to enjoy! myspace.com/theacechaser--thanx everyone--Acechaser —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.190.111.70 (talk) 11:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC) ow[reply]

By the way, I had no idea that my page link was on here. A friend called me when he found it while reading about Ace here on Wikipedia. It just goes to show how loyal Ace fans are. Apparently, my site is growing popular. Sorry about any confusion. I even googled it & found my link on page 1...wow! Anyway, we don't want to break any rules here. Take care. Acechaser

Ace, as well as the other original KISS members, did voices for the Family Guy episode "A Very Special Family Guy Freakin' Christmas" back in 2001. This fact is only mentioned on Gene's entry. It should be added to the other members' entries. Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0576913/ 71.205.1.189 (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His infobox lists bass as one of his instruments. How many instances are there where he actualy played bass? Unless anyone has a reasonable argument to keep it I will remove it. -J04n (talk) 00:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia, Ace plays bass on Rocket Ride and his 1978 solo album. Relrel (talk) 17:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are these two instances significant enough to warrent a mention in the infobox? I vote no. -J04n (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right, nobody thinks of Ace as being a bassist. When it comes to instruments, he is only known for his guitar work. On the other hand, for instance the Gene Simmons article states that he plays bass, guitar, piano, drums etc. so for the sake of consistency, maybe Ace should have a bass mentioning, or the other articles should be changed as well. Relrel (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HOWEVER, in a Goldmine interview, Peter Criss states that Ace played bass on many songs of the KISS album catalogue. "...you wouldn't believe how many songs Ace played bass on" - apparently because of Gene's (at that time, anyway) self-admitted limitations as a player. HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan[reply]

As my grandmother used to say, two wrongs do not a right make. The Simmons page should be changed. -J04n (talk) 19:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a cite for it on hand, but Ace confirms he is playing bass on "Parasite" from Hotter Than Hell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.1.164 (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ace's lasers were dropped on account of an accident at a Blue Oyster Cult show? Thats just an famous rumor: http://www.staticmultimedia.com/music/features/feature_1175445718 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.91.254.98 (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I revised this paragraph slightly. It was cited but the cite points to a web site which is partially dead. (Some pages are there, most aren't.)

Although Frehley was no longer a legal member of Kiss as of March 1983 (he was replaced by Vinnie Vincent for the start of the Creatures of the Night tour in December 1982), he retained a one-quarter share in the Kiss partnership until 1985. Wanting to avoid any potential legal or monetary entanglements, Frehley did not actively begin his solo career until he was out of the partnership; he did however receive one-quarter of the profits for both Lick It Up and Animalize although he had no involvement on either record.^[1]

It is unclear what the distinction between being a "legal member of Kiss" and being a shareholder in the "Kiss partnership" is. Also, he "did not actively begin his solo career until he was out of the partnership" but in the next paragraph he puts his new band together in 1984, a year before he is out of the partnership. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 01:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article states that Frehley got one-fourth of the profit off some albums he had nothing to do with because he was still a member of the Kiss partnership until 1985. It is not entirely clear who the fourth member of the Kiss partnership might have been. Some sources state that Eric Carr was never a partner and Peter Criss left the band long before Frehley did. Maybe he got one-third of the profits? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 18:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to some sources Peter Criss remained a partner in KISS as a way of enticing him to leave the band. He remained a partner until receiving a one-time cash payout in 1987. If that's the case he would have been receiving a quarter of the profits through the ASYLUM album.

The hoax of Ace To Space is apparently two guys with a myspace account. Their wishful thinking started in 2008, which is only one year ago, not ten. They initially set up a web page also, but that is already out of business and has been scooped up by the drop-catchers Their whole hoax is laughable. They are not with NASA. They are not with VH1. NASA doesn't know anything about it. Ace Frehley doesn't know anything about it. VH1 doesn't know anything about it. There is no reliable source for this information. The link given for this hoax (bravewords.com) is not a reliable source. On these hoaxter's MySpace page, they clearly say, "...Ace to Space Team, is (not) directly affiliated with Ace Frehley, his management or his public relations firm..." Joe Hepperle (talk) 13:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This just came to mind when I was working on the list of hair bands. Shouldn't the group have an article of their own instead of being a redirect? They have an Allmusic bio, did a few albums, and were certainly notable. RG (talk) 01:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. The rest of the group were pretty forgettable - it is thru Ace Frehley that this band is known. HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan[reply]

In the section about Frehley's Comet, bass player John Regan is mentioned and a hyper link is posted, however this link does not lead to the correct John Regan. There is no incorrect information about John Regan, the bass player, referenced in this article. However, to link this to a rapper from Baltimore, MD is clearly not correct. 65.41.42.49 (talk) 19:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC) concerned[reply]

• Thanks for pointing that out, no article yet exists for the correct Regan. I changed the link J04n(talk page) 19:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Simmons' book alone can be used as a source for Ace's alcoholic issues that poisoned his final years with the group. There was a YouTube video posted of Ace in severe alcoholic disrepair at one of his club concerts from a few years ago, at which he had to be lead off the stage by a roadie as he was falling down. HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan[reply]

Ace Frehley has professed a belief in God in many interviews and memoirs. Can I get some kind of confirmation on what he believes? Invisible NoiseΩ

There are two things in this article that are a bit confusing. In the black and white photo showing KISS with Bill Aucoin and Neil Bogart, there is also a woman identified as "Joyce". Who is Joyce and what is her relationship to anyone else in the photo? Second, under "Guest Appearances" is the following entry: "Black Light Messiah – August 12, 2008 Jam Pain Society. Frehley played lead guitar on the song The Ride." The first part makes absolutely no sense at all. Can anyone clarify either of these things? Elsquared (talk) 02:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Joyce is Neil Bogarts wife. So she's kinda important to KISS!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

She was co-manager of KISS for the majority of their career. 98.67.1.164 (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The guitar virtuoso plays with a unique 'wailing' sound that is hailed to have influenced many other guitarists to start learning the proper usage of the vibrato on the guitar."

Is that really objecti9ve language befitting Wikipedia? I enjoy KISS and Ace's work as much anyone - I wouldn't be reading the article if not, but parts of this article looks as if they are written by a teenage acolyte... it doesn't do Ace justice if he can't be described objectively. Stub Mandrel (talk) 17:44, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, describing Frehley as a 'virtuoso' is a laff. He did some nice stuff - BASIC stuff - on their albums here and there, but c'mon! 98.67.186.108 (talk) 05:12, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Frehley didn't have 'proper vibrato' (see Paul Kossoff or Tony Iommi on how it's done) - he would shake his whole arm. Now, did it produce a good sound? - well, sure - and it was fun to watch in-concert. But as far as any guitar teacher would be concerned, it was decidedly amateurish. Btw, Kossoff showed Clapton his vibrato technique when they were on tour double-billed - and lo and behold, there was EC doing a fantastic vibrato-laden solo on "Deserted Cities of the Heart" on the WHEELS OF FIRE album within a few months of their meeting. Frehley couldn't play like that, and has never demonstrated on record anything approaching the vibrato technique of guitarists like Iommi, Clapton, Kossoff, Kuakonen, Trower, Blackmore - the list goes on. That comment in the article truly was pure fan-boy. HammerFilmFan (talk) 06:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This info is completely new to me, including all the names:

One of Frehley's earliest bands where his considerable talents were displayed was The Outrage, who consisted of his brother Charles, Peter Broemel, John D'Alesio, and Len Guglielmo. The Outrage was a short-lived local Bronx band who practiced out of Grace Lutheran and played in local venues.

Googling "Peter Broemel the outrage" returns sites with malware! Googling "Ace Frehley Charles Frehley Peter Broemel John D'Alesio Len Guglielmo" bring up VERY strange results. Nonsense sentences. What kinda craziness is this?

--Mc peko (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: UPDATE: I now believe this info is in fact real. I got an email from Len Guglielmo, who wrote this, today. I'm doing some more research on who played what, etc.

Mc peko (talk) 01:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: UPDATE: Just got an awesome, detailed email from Len Guglielmo! :)

The Outrage [1966 or 1967]
Ace Frehley - lead guitar
Charles 'Charley' Frehley - bass
Leonard 'Len' Guglielmo - vocals
Peter 'Pete' Broemel - keyboards, guitar
John D'Alesio - drums
John Muller - rhythm guitar

See https://facebook.com/kissbandstree.

Re-adding The Outrage to article. Mc peko (talk) 01:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]