Talk:Anti-Arab racism
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Badly sourced claim about Israeli schools
This text:
"Israeli schools have been criticized for portraying Arabs as intransigent and uncompromising, and exaggerating Palestinian antisemitism."
Is sourced to an archive of the "Jewish News Weekly of Northern California" and an archive of the "Mideast Journal" which no longer exists.
I don't think either source is particularly reliable nor does coverage in them merit inclusion. Any objections if I delete it?
-- Bob drobbs (talk) 04:59, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- It needs to be expanded with better sources. A start would be Daniel Bar-Tal, The Rocky Road Toward Peace: Beliefs on Conflict in Israeli Textbooks, Journal of Peace Research, vol 35, no 6, 1998, pp 723–742; Majid Al-Haj, National Ethos, Multicultural Education, and the New History Textbooks in Israel, Curriculum Inquiry, vol 35, no 1, 2005, pp47–71. There are plenty of others. Zerotalk 08:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, if and when someone wants to do that work completely new text can be put up. But is there any reason to leave up this horribly sourced claim until then? -- Bob drobbs (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
I started to work on that bit, will be adding more. nableezy - 16:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Previous events
It should include other historical revolts with anti-arab component such as Berber Revolt and Abbasid Revolution--Acutepter (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Requested move 8 August 2023
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to most common name; "anti-Arab racism" was also identified by participants as having preferable connotations to those of "anti-Arab sentiment". (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:57, 24 August 2023 (UTC)]
MaterialWorks 13:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Oppose - "isms" do not sound like formalized or organized ideologies. Racism and sexism, famously, are words we use to describe unjust prejudices and power structures. And on that point, Anti-Arabism is NOT just a "sentiment", as this move request implies. It also describes power structures of systemic oppression towards Arabs, especially detailed within the sections on national issues of Anti-Arabism. The section on Israel focuses almost entirety on the systemic oppression of Arabs, which "sentiment" does not adequately describe. The current title is far better at summarizing the concept. RobotGoggles (talk) 14:02, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Anti-Arab sentiment is already an alt name in the page, so is already presented as a synonym, so no change of scope, structure or meaning is implied. I was merely speaking to connotations. In any case, the main point here is one of prevalence and indeed Iskandar323 (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)]
- The redirect is not evidence that "anti-arab sentiment" is the more common name. It is an informal name, which redirects here, to its formal name. Anti-Arabism is by far the best title for this article, and it should therefore remain as the title.RobotGoggles (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- You opened by stating the idea that 'isms' do not convey any sense of formality, and now you are saying it is a formal name. I'm not sure what to make of that, but yes, I get that your opinion is clear. What I cannot see is any evidence for it. I have already shown that the proposed title, which is not a mere redirect, but also a bolded alt name at the top of the page, is the more prevalent name. On Google Scholar, Anti-Arab sentiment meanwhile clocks in 1,160 hits to Anti-Arabism's 582 hits. The only alternative that I now realize that I might have overlooked (it not being an extant alt name on the page) is simply Iskandar323 (talk) 06:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)]
- You opened by stating the idea that 'isms' do not convey any sense of formality, and now you are saying it is a formal name. I'm not sure what to make of that, but yes, I get that your opinion is clear. What I cannot see is any evidence for it. I have already shown that the proposed title, which is not a mere redirect, but also a bolded alt name at the top of the page, is the more prevalent name. On Google Scholar, Anti-Arab sentiment meanwhile clocks in 1,160 hits to Anti-Arabism's 582 hits. The only alternative that I now realize that I might have overlooked (it not being an extant alt name on the page) is simply
- The redirect is not evidence that "anti-arab sentiment" is the more common name. It is an informal name, which redirects here, to its formal name. Anti-Arabism is by far the best title for this article, and it should therefore remain as the title.RobotGoggles (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Anti-Arab sentiment is already an alt name in the page, so is already presented as a synonym, so no change of scope, structure or meaning is implied. I was merely speaking to connotations. In any case, the main point here is one of prevalence and indeed
- Nominator update: would also support Iskandar323 (talk) 06:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Relisting comment: Relisting to get further consensus. – MaterialWorks 13:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Note: MaterialWorks 13:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Note: MaterialWorks 13:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Note: MaterialWorks 13:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)]
- Support per ]
- Oppose per @RobotGoggles Abo Yemen✉ 13:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Iskandar323 (talk) 13:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)]
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- Support as a descriptive and not too loaded term unlike the various ''isms''. Killuminator (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Support "Anti-Arab racism" as being more common and more telling-it-like-it-is. Zerotalk 01:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The page Anti-Palestinianism starts off "Anti-Palestinianism, or anti-Palestinian racism,..". I dislike the "sentiment" description, that's a bit of a cop-out. I guess I don't really object to either leaving it as is (with anti-Arab racism as an alt/redirect) or a switch to anti-Arab racism.Selfstudier (talk) 14:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.