Talk:Attack on Titan (TV series)

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 17:22, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Attack on Titan (TV series) has been carried out.

• Notes: A previous RM on this failed to come to consensus, apparently due to a pissing match between
  WP:COMMONSENSE meta-policy, which would not have us use conflicting article titling and information-organization schemata and rationales based on nothing but whether something originated as a particular kind of illustrated publication back when.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose - But I completely agree we shouldn't have a list of episodes without an associated main article for the TV series. I suggest, though, the more expedient route would be to just create Attack on Titan (TV series) either from scratch or pulling text from the Attack on Titan article or the lead from this list article. A quick stub with the {{Infobox television}} and {{Attack on Titan}} could be drafted very quickly. I suggest this because we would still need a separate list of episodes article, and we might as well let this existing page continue in that role. @SMcCandlish:, maybe pull this RM and go with this plan? -- Netoholic @ 04:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I wouldn't go that route at all, for reasons already given: we don't fork off "List of Foo episodes" sub-articles until we actually need them for length reasons, and we do not in this case. Given that you agree that the content we have on hand is already good enough for an Attack on Titan (TV series) article, your comment actually bolsters the call for a rename, unless and until a consensus emerges that the episode list embedded herein has become so large that a split is required.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Absolutely wrong. What'd happen if we did your plan was that we'd move the page and then immediately just split off the episode list anyway. We should instead keep the integrity of the page history together and leave the List a List. -- Netoholic @ 07:29, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. If were were going to be completely logical then the articles would be something like:
• Attack on Titan
• Attack on Titan (manga)
• Attack on Titan (novels)
• Attack on Titan (film)
• Attack on Titan (TV Series)
  • List of Attack on Titan Episodes.

That is, all of the pages relating to the original creative work should follow in a logical sequence, both in navigation and titling. Ozflashman (talk) 05:01, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - per
  WP:NCTV the article should be named Attack on Titan (TV series) and if an episode list split is needed, then it should be created. If Netoholic wants to do the work before a move is done in order to see if a split is needed, I'm not opposed to waiting. However, if that work is just a theoretical work that someone might do, then no reason to wait. --Gonnym (talk) 08:17, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• @Gonnym: I know nothing about this series, but I'll absolutely commit to creating the (TV series) page if this RM fails. I would have if SMcCandlish had pulled this RM. I just don't want to invest time if people are still going to push for this unnecessary move. -- Netoholic @ 11:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I understand, and as I said, if you are willing to do the work, then I support it if you believe these have enough information to warrant a split.
• Support Netholic proposal to justify both Attack on Titan (TV series) and List of Attack on Titan episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 11:03, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Just to clarify why I think a separate List of episodes is needed no matter what: per
  List of Attack on Titan episodes (season 3)). This all together puts us in reasonable split range, and the series is still active and continuing. -- Netoholic @ 11:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support
  split out of Attack on Titan (TV series), which will then allow this article to remain where it is. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:53, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Support per nom, and leave the page and episode list as one page. Many television series pages include an episode list, and this one is small enough to include both the main article on the series and its episodes. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:36, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom. It's probably too early to have both an article and an episode list, and even if the episode list is split off right after this RM is closed it makes sense to make this one be the article first and split the episode list off of it. No history will be lost, as it will be in the history of this article up to the split off to the separate new episode list article. --В²C ☎ 17:49, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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