Talk:Bermuda/Archive 2

This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Archive 1

Archive 2

Highest in the world in 2005? That's not true. (no signature)

_________

I'd like to see that in quintiles too, after just reading last weeks Embargo Notice and Duties pdf. Greg0658 (talk) 17:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Also it contradicts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita At least Luxembourg and Qatar are listed higher, and bermuda is not even an independent country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.7.146 (talk) 15:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Er, no, it doesn't contradict said link, actually. Said link says that Luxembourg and Qatar had higher GDP/capital in 2007 than Bermuda did in 2004. The Bermuda government's 2005 estimate was around $76,400.[1] The United Nations' 2006 estimate was around $80,600.[2] Personally, I do not know of any available 2007 estimates. And what does sovereignty have to do with this?

Some further observations that pertain to the original point: GDP(PPP)/capita according to the 2005

CIA World Factbook, based on 2003-2004 estimates: #1 = Luxembourg $58,900 (2004 estimate), #2 = United States $40,100 (2004 estimate)...#7 = Bermuda $36,000 (2003 estimate).[3] And the list from the 2006 CIA World Factbook, based on 2004-2005 estimates: #1 Bermuda, #2 Luxembourg, #3 Equatorial Guinea.[4]

Of course, this depends on you considering the CIA World Factbook a reliable source.

199.172.203.157 (talk) 03:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The list is growing again, sort of. User:216.40.64.131 inserted Bermuda Secrets Articles and Forums about Bermuda from a Local's point of view, and delted an article link. Much as I have no issue with the article link being deleted (that section is bloated) the new link seems to be pretty much a one man blog, with the oldest entry about Wednesday last week. Above there is a discussion about a similar link that was removed, so for the moment I'll leave it back here. If there is a good reason why it should be on the front page, then let's have it back. LeeG 23:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• Agree, blogs have no place there anyway per
  WP:EL; I previously deleted Limey in Bermuda, etal, for the same reason... JGHowes
  00:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• • I've just removed it again. If BermudaLover wishes (s)he can come here and discuss why it's not a Blog, but to me it looks like one, and walks like one. I don't see what it adds. I'll pop a note on their talk page. LeeG 02:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is obsolete: bermudasecrets.com is now a linkspam page, it's not even a blog anymore 68.174.110.168 (talk) 16:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why you removed this link. Great Source, Original Content and No advertising or money making purpose on the site. It's very friendly over there in the forums.

www.bermudasecrets.com

, so in general lots of external links in any article are not a good thing. External links need to add something to the article. I think there are too many already listed already, and a few need to be rolled into "references" rather than being a link to an external site. Secondly, it's the applicability of the external site. I won't dispute it's a friendly place, but:

• it's owned and written by two guys in VA
• It only has a limited number of articles
• It is skewed to a US reader (i.e. about US dollars, only US airlines listed etc.)

Thirdly, it is essentially a blog, and external links to blogs are not encouraged. As JGHowes points out, we don't link to blogs such as Limey in Bermuda[5], Politics.bm [6], or imho.bm [7]. All of those have information on the place (agreed Limey is on sabbatical, but still). If you feel a bit put upon, please also note that black and coke [8] and (see above) Bermuda4U [9] don't get a look in either.
Oh, please "sign" your posts with four tilde (~) characters. This pops your name, a link to your pages, and the time after the quote, so we all know who said what and when. LeeG 22:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This page is getting a bit long - any objections to me archiving down to "External Websties"? LeeG 22:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Resounding silence, consider it done. LeeG 00:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

A citation request was placed about the claim that Bermuda has cerulean blue oceans. Well, if you look at the two photographs on the page, there you go! I can also assure you that, by looking out of my window, we have oceans ranging from a light turquoise over the sand (for example Whaler Bay or Tobacco Bay), through to deep blue once you fall off the atoll shelf and into deep ocean. It's down partially to algae, partially to the salts in the ocean, and partially to the pink sand close to the surface. Sadly "because I can see it" would count as original research, so I can't cite that as a source. Anyhow, what I'm heading for is that I've removed the citation tag, using the principle of Res ipsa loquitur. A copy of this is on the user concerned's talk page. LeeG 22:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And are you sure that the citation request was for the colour of the ocean, and not the claim that "Bermuda is the only island in the world to boast pink sand...", in contradiction to

Wikipedia guidelines

? 02:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

No, which is why I popped the question back here on the talk page. I've removed the claim to only island. LeeG 10:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I was requesting a citation for the claim that "Bermuda is the only island in the world to boast [...]". Pritchard 05:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

In which case, I think it's dealt with! Cheers. LeeG 10:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It should be mentioned somewhere in the article. --thedemonhog 03:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why?02:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Because it's normally the first thing people outside of Bermuda think of when they hear the name...like it or not. Bloodbath 87 (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it iss ok to mention it. It is known worldwide in legend, and Bermuda is one of the three points. Overseas in meeting strangers, I commonly say I live in Bermuda. If I get a look of confusion, I mention the triangle...at which point I always see a moment of recognition from the stranger. It is a useful note, since most people have at least heard of it, even if their not sure what it is. Anyhow, I dont see why a well made paragraph mentioning the history behind the legend and explaining its dimensions is not warranted. --Amsterdamned (talk) 12:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Do we really need this much information about his particular life in an article about Bermuda? It's almost word-for-word the article on

14:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Another adversing link out

I removed this:

• Oil Paintings of Bermuda Paintings by Bermudian artisit William J. Gringley

As for me, it's an advertising link, which is against policy. LeeG 21:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussions on this page often lead to previous arguments being restated. Please read recent comments and look in the archives before commenting.

I took out the bit in the infobox about Portuguese because it looked silly having "official languages" of "English (official) and Portuguese", but Portuguese is a clear second language, ATMs, for example, have it as an option after English. Any ideas on where to sneak this in? LeeG 02:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone actually speak it day-today? Are any signs in that language? If not I wouldn't have thought the infobox would be the place to mention it just because the CIA says it's spoken. Biofoundationsoflanguage 09:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just looked up on google and apparently there are going to be some portuguese language cable television channels in Bermuda because of the sizeable Portuguese population in Bermuda. Does a 'sizeable population' of foreign speaking persons qualify inclusion on the infobox? There are quite a few arabic speakers in the UK but that hasn't been mentioned on the UK infobox. Biofoundationsoflanguage 09:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Of course there are cases and cases....the Arabic minority in UK doesn´t have political, social, historical and cultural influence in UK as much as the Portuguese in Bermuda, which are there more or less since 1840. Is Spanish a important minority language in the US? Yes, because it´s the same case of the Portuguese in Bermuda. And, I think that CIA site is reliable, also, it´s a strong and reliable source... Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domaleixo (talk • contribs) 17:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

There are no Portugese language street signs anywhere in Bermuda, nor are there any Portugese-language radio/TV stations or newspapers. It is not recognized as an official language by the Government of Bermuda. There are certainly many people of Portugese ancestry scattered throughout Bermuda, of whom the older generation can speak Portugese as a second language. But no defined Portugese "region" or "neighborhood". It would be no more accurate to describe Portugese as regional language of Bermuda than to say that Polish is a regional language of the U.S. because people of Polish ancestry live in Chicago and Baltimore. JGHowes ^talk - 18:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese is taught at Mount Saint Agnes Academy and also at Vasco da Gama Club Association in Hamilton. Authomatic bank machines carry instructions in Portuguese and English. The website of Bermuda Hospitals Board carries a whole instruction page in Portuguese:

http://www.bermudahospitals.bm/patient-visitor/portuguese-info.html

Is this what you wanted? Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.67.221.8 (talk) 08:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

That was all you could come up with? A single, private school...a social club...a single webpage? Don't you think if it were a significant regional language that the entire KEMH website would be translated, not to mention that of the government? Or that it would be taught, like Spanish and French, at every school? The only point worth mentioning there was the ATM's; you could have also included the fact that the Human Rights Commission's name is translated on its sign...not that you would know it from their website.199.172.203.157 (talk) 23:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

You said there was no place in Bermuda where you could see any Portuguese signs, etc. and I proved you are WRONG. The CIA World Factbook includes portuguese year after year in its data about Bermuda. Is that a reliable publication or not? You just seems to be upset with the inclusion of Portuguese here, NOTHING MORE THAN THAT, and for the accuracy of this article, I think yes, there are a reasonable amount of data to keep mention Portuguese as an important minority language in Bermuda, aside simple immigration influence. It has a historical presence there, dating back to the 1840s. Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.101.255.120 (talk) 23:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Where did I say that (please copy and paste) (there is) "no place in Bermuda where you could see any Portuguese signs", and where did you prove me "WRONG"? You have done nothing to demonstrate that Portuguese is a recognised regional language. What is your obsession with the CIA World Factbook (which, by the way, I do not consider reliable)? And why will you not address any of my questions? You say that "there are (sic) a reasonable amount of data", and yet will not provide it. And do not confuse Portuguese heritage with Portuguese language. 199.172.203.157 (talk) 03:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Note that Portuguese is already shown in the Infobox as an ethnic group. It is not an official language as the term is used in Wikipedia, because the Bermuda Government has not given it special legal status. Please stop edit warring over this. JGHowes ^talk - 17:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

You are the one making a war edition here. You are the one passionally convinced of the unimportance of Portuguese language in Bermuda. It´s only me who has to give data and information? Your role here is just to verify my data and deny everything? I have never seen any data from your side, and it´s me the war editor? Come on, no more jokes... Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.2.193.227 (talk) 18:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

It is not a question of "importance" or what I think, but what is the official language of Bermuda designated by law: that is what belongs on the Infobox's line labeled "official language". The CIA Factbook states here that English is the "official" language. No one disputes that Portuguese is spoken by a portion of Bermuda's population. But only English is the official language, by law. Typically, in countries where there is more than one official language by law, street signs and government publications are bilingual, etc. That is the point I was trying to make. The Government of Bermuda does not designate Portuguese as an official language and its website likewise states that English is the "official language". Street signs and government publications are produced in Bermuda's only official language, English.

I've edited the Infobox accordingly, so that English is listed as "official language" and Portuguese as "other language" using the standardized format of {{

Infobox Country

}}.

"Edit warring", by the way, is a term the Wikipedia community uses when an article is repeatedly reverted by involved editors over a disputed point. If such disruption persists, it leads to being blocked from editing for a period of time. JGHowes ^talk - 00:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Since the Portuguese culture is mentioned in the article it seems redundant to mention the Portuguese language in the infobox. Also is it possible that the ATMs that have Portuguese as an option on them aren't made for use in several countries such as Portugal. Also is there any proof sizable population of people that only speak Potuguese? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bennyj600 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I've been doing research for a listing of countries in the world with DST and it seems as though I've seen conflicting views regarding Bermudas. This external time zone website says that they do, this page says they do not and this Wikipedia page says they don't. I'm not sure who's correct, and I was hoping that somoene from Bermuda would update the information box. Thanks

13:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

?? Bermuda does observe Daylight Saving Time, as correctly reflected by Bermuda's listing in

UTC-4 under Single zone countries with DST. I do not find any contradiction in either article. JGHowes ^talk

- 14:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well now you have me recalling the letters from Millie Millicent about 10 years ago from the Royal Gazette exactlyon the subject of daylight saving time. Yes it certainly does lol Candy 18:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

From "Role in International Relations" section of article

"During the Boer Wars many Canadian sympathizers were amongst the near 5,000 prisoners sent by the British from South Africa to Bermuda's smaller islands to be held as prisoners. This was not Canadians only connection with the Island however; it is claimed that Samuel Champlain de Brouage, who would found Quebec in 1608, has sighted Bermuda in 1600 and thought the Island to be too dangerous to inhabit. He was probably correct considering the vast natural reefs that surrond the Island which claimed the lives of many sailors. It was for the fact that Bermuda was so isolated that the British decided to use the territory as a prison to prevent the captives from returning to fight.[6]"

I can't find more information about this in the footnote provided, but it seems to need more explanation. Is it saying that there were Canadians who settled in South Africa and sympathnized with the Boers and were deported to Bermuda? Huh? This sounds intriguing. What were so many Canadian Boer sympathizers doing in South Africa? I'd like more info on this episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.173.163 (talk) 05:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Me too. thx1138 (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't find anything about Canadians fighting on the Boer side in the Boer Wars, so I took that part out. According to the Second Boer War article, the British did send some Boer

POWs to Bermuda, so I added that to this article. thx1138 (talk) 06:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

This raises a very good point. The reference to the Boer War was added on September 22, but the reference cited is basically a commercial website and not a reliable source meeting

reliable source is found for it. JGHowes ^talk

- 09:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The reference to Canadians seems more than dubious. The Boer POW Camps in Bermuda are well documented, though. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission still maintains the POW graveyard on Long Island, in the Great Cound of Bermuda. Author Colin Benbow produced a well-illustrated reference text on the subject, Boer Prisoners of War in Bermuda,

ISBN 0-9697893-0-0. Aodhdubh (talk

) 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

A few images from the POW camps in Bermuda can be found here: Bermuda Garrison Images Aodhdubh (talk) 21:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bermudian English. --A. B. ^(talk) 01:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

"In 1620, a Royal Assent granted Bermuda limited self-governance, thus making Bermuda's Parliament the fourth oldest in the world, behind only England, Iceland and Poland[6]"

I'm not so sure about that claim? What about the Isle of Man's Tynwald? Dan (talk) 12:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Barbados' Parliament claims it came after Bermuda's... And Barbados says they are third oldest in the Commonwealth. [10] CaribDigita (talk) 03:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

If anyone has access to a source of annual climate data, I would like to see it included in this article. Alan.ca (talk) 19:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Should Bermudian flag be labelled 'regional flag' instead of just 'flag' because Bermuda is not a sovereign nation and is under sovereignty of United Kingdom, or should the Union Jack be shown? If anyone knows the official status of flags for British Overseas Territories (which aren't in the United Kingdom, but are under UK sovereingty) can they respond to this. (Bennyj600 (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC))

[See Portuguese, above]

The infobox claims that Portuguese is a regional language of Bermuda, however the footnote 4 links nowhere... Can anyone please verify this information? Khuft (talk) 19:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It´s the footnote number 3, not numer 4. The source is the CIA World Factbook. Check there.

Emerson

Claim removed199.172.203.157 (talk) 04:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

What Religion are the residents'? Mention is made of Parishes and Easter, but there are no figures or other specific info. AleXd (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

On Religion

As an English colony, the Church of England was the state religion, and the parishes were both political and religious subdivisions. As in England at the time, Catholicism was illegal, then, and everyone was required by law to attend church. Presbyterianism competed strongly with more orthodox Episcopalianism in the Church of England in Bermuda in the 17th Century, as it did in England. Independent puritanism was not as strong, but was also a feature. The English Civil War was ostensibly caused by a dispute between Parliament and the King over the King's historic rights to go around Parliament to raise taxes in wartime, but also became a dispute between Presbyterians and Independents, on the Parliamentary side, and Episcopalians on the Royalist side. The victory of the Parliamentary forces moved Puritanism into ascendancy within the Church of England over the Episcopalians, but the following rift between the Army and Parliament also brought to a head the dispute that had been growing between Independent Puritanism and Presbyterianism (the principles of which Parliament had been attempting to force on all English citizens). Under the Protectorship of Oliver Cromwell, power would shift to the Independent Puritans.

Prior to this, of course, many Puritans had embarked for Massachusetts and other New World colonies. With the Restoration (of the Monarchy), the Church of England returned to Episcopalianism, and its modern form (known as Anglicanism). Presbyterians and Independents were no longer considered parts of the Church of England, forming their own denominations.

In the New World, the struggle between the Church of England and Presbyterianism/Puritanism would continue, and was one of the layers of conflict wound into the American War of Independence (COE was associated with the rule of the Government, and Presbyterianism/Puritanism with the rebels). Even in the American South, large numbers of Scots-Irish had settled before American independence. These were English and Scottish Presbyterians, mostly, and Independent Puritans who had settled in conquered Ireland, but had emigrated again as a result of what they felt to be increasing oppression by Government-backed Episcopalianism. After American independence, the Church of England in America found it prudent to change its name to the Episcopalian Church.

Returning to the English Civil War...in America, the older, Southern colonies, notably Virginia, leaned to the monarchy, whereas the newer settlements, notably Puritan Massachusetts, would have empathised with the Parliamentarians.

Bermuda, originally an extension of Virginia, was not settled by Puritans, but had its share of them. As with Virginia, Bermuda leaned towards the Crown during the Civil War, and Puritans were driven into exile (resulting in the settlement of Eleuthra, in the Bahamas). There is little mention of Presbyterians in 17th Century Bermuda, but this is because, for most of it, they were not distinguished from the Church of England. It seems likely, however, that most of Bermuda's COE congregations before the War were Presbyterian by nature. As the COE forced its Episcopalian supremacy in England and Bermuda, later in the Century, most congregations/Parishes became Anglican in the modern sense. Those who remained Presbyterian eventually formed their own, separate denomination, centred on Christ Church in Warwick. Built in 1719, this is the oldest Presbyterian church outside the British Isles, though the congregation it served was evidently much older. Scottish Prisoners of War were sent to Bermuda after Cromwell forced his protectorship on independent Scotland, and probably most of these were Presbyterians. With Scotland and England merging to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1704, increasing numbers of Scots found their way to Bermuda, especially soldiers posted to the independent Company that garrisoned the island prior to American independence, and many of these were also Presbyterian.

Until the 20th Century, the Church of England remained the State religion, with certain rights, such as to carry out funerals or marriages, being restricted to its priests. Despite this, other denominations flourished.

Many Irish Prisoners of War and ethnically-cleansed civilians were sent to Bermuda following the English Civil War, when Cromwell brutally intervened in Ireland. Most of these would have been ethnically Irish Gaels, and Catholic. Blacks began to immgrate as indentured servant from Spanish-speaking islands in the West Indies about this time, also, and many were presumably Catholic as well. What proportion of the population of the population remained Catholic through the following two centuries is not clear, though. Begining in the 1840s, increasing numbers of Poruguese immgrated to Bermuda. Today, Portuguese Bermudians make up 10% of the population...probably more, if all those of only partly-Portuguese ancestry are included. This immigration has raised Catholocism to the second-largest denomination, today, after Anglicanism (as the Church of England in Bermuda has been renamed since the 1970s). Anglicans account for something like a third of the population, still. In addition to Presbyterianism, and older, Weslyian, Methodists, the African Methodist Episcoal Church, introduced from the United States, has gained a significant following amongst Black Bermudians. A number of other Protestant denominations make up small numbers, and Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, and Rastafarians are all found.

Methodism was introduced in the 18th Century, and Methodist ministers in Bermuda and elsewhere began to convert slaves, to the ire of the authorities. At least one Methodist minister was gaoled for this in St. George's, according to the plaque outside the Featherbed Alley Printshop Museum.

There have been small numbers of Jews living in Bermuda...mostly as individuals...since the 17th Century. There is one Jewish grave, adorned with a Star of David, as I recollect, in the graveyard of St. Peter's Church - the oldest surviving Church of England Church in the New World. With converts, and immigrants from the US, there is a small Jewish Community of Bermuda holding regular meetings under lay leaders, though it lacks a synagogue, and Rabbis have to be flown in for High Holidays. Without Kosher food, Bermuda is not favourable for Orthodox, Hasidic or Conservative Jews as a home or holiday destination (in deed, for much of the 20th Century, local hoteliers had a gentlemens' agreement to not accept reservations from Jewish visitors). The Jewish Community of Bermuda is open to all Jews, and those interested in Judaism, but is effectively a Reform Judaism congregation. The community formed largelly around the US Naval bases in Bermuda, which always had a percentage of Jewish service personnel attached. The US Navy was required to provide Chaplains services to all religions in its ranks, and its chapel had been used for services for its own Jewish servicemen, to which other Jews in Bermuda had been welcomed. In the 1980s, Ben Israelite converts were increasingly noticeable in Bermuda, but seem to have disappeared. Many may have emigrated to Israel, I suppose.

There is a small but stable population of Bahais.

There has been a small population of native Muslims since the 1960s; Blacks, inspired by American movements like the nation of Islam, who converted from Christianity. To these, in recent years, an increasing influx of South Asians are adding to the Islamic population, as well as introducing Hinduism, Buddhism and other populations. There is currently no Mosque in Bermuda. There were increasing demands from the Muslim community for their own graveyard as, with the exception of the graveyard of St. George's Town, divided between the Town's churches, and of military and naval graveyards that are closed to new burials, there are no graveyards in Bermuda not directly attached to a Christian church.

It could be argued that traditional Algonquian Native American religion is being reintroduced by descendants of Native Americans shipped to Bermuda in the 17th Century who are embracing their long-severed heritage with increasing zeal, and assistance from ancestor nations in North America. Bermudian delegations are visiting Pow Wows in New England following a reconnection festival held in St. David's several years ago.

Add to this the growing numbers of spiritual, Bermudians who don't identify with an organised religion (or, with only ONE organised religion), atheists (such as this writer), and other otherwise-minded Bermudians, the religious picture in Bermuda has grown quite diverse.

Christianity, Islam, Baha'i and perhaps Judaism are the only recognised religions.

Almost the entire population is Christian, chiefly

African Methodist Episcopal

. The parishes have nothing to do with these churches, however; in fact, originally, the parishes were called "tribes" (for no real reason other than to be exotic).

The

Masjid Muhammed, led by Imam Basim Muwwakkil and also called the Muslim Community Centre, is Bermuda's mosque. The bi-weekly Bermuda Sun newspaper regularly features Islamic advise in its Faith section.[11]

There is a Baha'i national assembly, and one of the country's (eleven) senators is a self-described, but unofficial, Baha'i.[12] British Actor

Earl Cameron

is another Bermudian Baha'i practitioner.

There is a tiny (100-120 member) and informal Jewish community that is occasionally visited by a Conservative Rabbi from overseas.[13][14]

199.172.206.4 (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Bermuda's climate, classified by the

) 04:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can cite a published

reliable source, e.g., journal, website, book, etc., saying "Bermuda's climate is tropical according to the Koppen system", I would agree. However, you cannot cite yourself as a reliable source unless your analysis has first been published elsewhere. We do not publish the opinions, calculations, or conclusions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material (such as climatological data) for themselves.  JGHowes  ^talk

18:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Citizenship

I think it is worth noting in this article the extreme difficultly in becoming a citizen of Bermuda.

Here is a reference: http://www.bermuda-online.org/citizenship.htm

In short, unless your parents are Bermuda Citizens themselves, the only way to obtain status is to marry a Bermudian and wait 10 years. Being born in the country, living there for X number of years does NOT make you a Bermudian.Supertomcom (talk) 10:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

In fact, it is utterly impossible to become a citizen of Bermuda, seeing as there is no such thing as "Bermudian citizenship". Like other

British Overseas Territories citizenship. On top of this is a special Belonger status, which is used in many/most/(all?) of the Territories under various names (i.e. Bermudian status, Caymanian status, Gibraltarian status, etc.). 19:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.172.206.164 (talk

)

/* Fortress Bermuda */ : clarification of historical sequence

With regard to the latest change, quotes around the phrase North American Station are superfluous. Barsle (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The section that claims Bermuda's to be the fifth oldest leaves out the Andorran and Catalan parliaments which both date back to the 13th-century. May we amend this?

• There's indeed others that are older... Barbados always claims to be right after Bermuda's... Charles Wolverstone of Bermuda came to Barbados and brought a lot of those Bermudan government traditions to Barbados, but even from the discussion there (Talk:Parliament_of_Barbados) it is clear other Parliament's pre-date Bermuda's Parliament too. CaribDigita (talk) 20:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I thought that the oldest parliament in the world was that of narnia where they speak cling on.

This is constantly discussed in Barbados too, because The Hon. Charles Wolverstone was a Bermudian who brought Bermuda's exact style of Parliament to the island of Barbados and formed the House of assembly there. Thereby placing Barbados roughly after Bermuda's in terms of longevity. In Barbados, it was summed up like this by one editorial: "But in the Commonwealth, the accolade of the oldest Parliament is accorded to that of the Isle of Man, the Tynwald, which predates that of Great Britain by nearly 300 years. I suppose the objection could be made that the Isle of Man is not politically part of the Commonwealth, but it certainly is geographically so. Barbados’ Parliament, which postdates that of Britain and Bermuda could not then be the third oldest. Perhaps Barbados might take a leaf from Bermuda’s book and describe our Parliament not as the third oldest in the world or the third oldest in the Commonwealth, but truthfully as “the oldest continuous Parliament of an independent Commonwealth country outside the British Isles”." (ref) Ideally, I think it would be best CaribDigita (talk) 02:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

The article currently lists Bermuda's GDP per capita as $97,000, leading all countries in the world. However, the link attached to this figure directs to a page that claims Bermuda's GDP per capita is only $69,900, making it third of all countries in the world (this statistic is credited to the CIA World Factbook). Someone with expertise in Bermuda's economy should settle this discrepancy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sisterray24 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

• The World Factbook is incorrect. (source: myself, a Bermudian with "expertise" in their economy.) --Whitingrj (talk) 20:21, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

 In 1620, a Royal Assent granted Bermuda limited self-governance, thus making the Parliament of Bermuda
 the fifth oldest in the world, behind only the Parliament of the United Kingdom, the Tynwald of the Isle of Man,
 the Althing of Iceland and Sejm of Poland.[21] Of these, it is the only one to have met continuously as a legislature
 since its inception through to today.

Seems to have omitted the Virginia General Assembly (1619).

) 18:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking for a long- time we as a Wiki community we should have a list showing establishment dates of the top 10-25 Parliaments around the world on the "Parliament" or "Legislature" article(s) and/or a :Legislatures or Parliaments established in the XX(st/rd/th) century". CaribDigita (talk)

The climate table clashes with the photos!!! It looks super bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.172.208.97 (talk) 22:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

---

"THe Article Looks REALLY BAD"...totally agree. I really don't know that much about Bermuda. But i know quite a bit about the rest of the English Caribbean. this article sounds like people writhing for wikipedia credit. In the Caribbean region English/french/dutch the term used used is AMERINDIAN, I'm sure its the same in Bermuda, but I could be wrong. NATIVE AMERICAN is a very AMERICAN term. Amerindian specifies native in the Caribbean and south america. Also the writers are clueless about what the term West Indian means. It is the historical grouping of previous British colonies...Barbados, Trinidad, Jamaica etc. never SpanishStarbwoy (talk) 03:35, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The article says executive authority is vested in the monarch; on that basis, on what grounds is it sensible to exclude her from the infobox? Khendon (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Because she's exercising that authority by virtue of being the Queen of the colonial power; I.e. Britain, not as 'Queen of Bermuda', as not only does no such position exist, Bermuda is an overseas territory, not a sovereign state in its own right and thus in international law does not have a sovereign.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Right, but it doesn't say she's "Queen of Bermuda", it says she's the relevant monarch. She's the monarch of the United Kingdom, she's the monarch of Wales, she's the monarch of Yorkshire, she's the monarch of Bermuda. Khendon (talk) 23:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

No; she's monarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in right of all those territories, because they're all British territory. Bermuda does not have a 'monarch' because it isn't sovereign.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, define 'relevant'. The Queen does not act independently as regards any of the British Overseas Territories from her role as Queen of the United Kingdom, unlike such places as Canada or Australia, where she is Queen (but separately in a personal union and not as Queen of the U.K.), by that logic, Elizabeth II should be added to the 'Kent' article or the 'Isle of Wight' articleJWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 23:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

The entire section on CARICOM is blatant POV polemic on whether Bermuda should maintain relations with the Community. The writer[s] didn't even devote the barest discussion to CARICOM Associate Member status -- its definition, any powers, privileges, and obligations of Associate Members, comparatives with Full Members and Observers, or any particulars as to how the Bermudan government has exercised Bermuda's Associate Member status. And there's no mention at all of Bermuda's advocated and pursued policies and actions within CARICOM since becoming an Associate Member.

Even a very spare entry would be an improvement over the current op-ed-like writing. I'm tempted to remove the current content entirely and replace it with basic facts about CARICOM and Bermuda's membership. I'll hold off for a while to hear from others. 69.119.224.131 (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

The map that is currently used as of March 31, 2014 desperately needs to be replaced. It is virtually worthless with its lack of context and skews an effective conception of what a map is supposed to do, which is provide visualization... Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:35, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Both the

) 18:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

"Bermuda" refers to the main island, whilst "The Bermudas" refers to all the islands making up the territory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.130.124 (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 3 external links on

|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20081014093644/http://www.uwsp.edu:80/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/climate_systems/humid_subtropical.html to http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/climate_systems/humid_subtropical.html
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120809021133/http://www.bm.butterfieldgroup.com/Rates/Foreign_Exchange/ to http://www.bm.butterfieldgroup.com/Rates/Foreign_Exchange/
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20130523154314/http://www.bermudabiographies.bm/This%20Month%20In%20History/thismonthhistory-Feb10.html to http://www.bermudabiographies.bm/This%20Month%20In%20History/thismonthhistory-Feb10.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers. —

:Online 14:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

There are two "Geography" sections in the article. The second (section 5) doesn't seem to have much geographic information. Rusty Lugnuts (talk) 03:30, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on

|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

• Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110706150342/http://www.weather.bm/data/2009-02.html to http://www.weather.bm/data/2009-02.html
• Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110503185134/http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonisation/trust3.htm to http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonisation/trust3.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—

:Online 07:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Bermuda. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20120506040238/http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/newsitem.asp?more=letters&NewsID=10143 to http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/newsitem.asp?more=letters&NewsID=10143

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{

}}).

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—

:Online 23:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Most of the planet's nation's are against marriage equality, so should this article go negative because Bermuda doesn't? No, obviously no. This is an emotional POV and needs to be re-written. Stay Rekt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.88.182.68 (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 7 external links on Bermuda. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hXh3uNX3sav1yJUl6k1XFvjZaycgD98OG1R01
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/release-06112009074832.html
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.acs-aec.org/About/SG/Girvan/Speeches/rei1.htm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140313212406/https://www.limeyinbermuda.com/2005/09/bic_releases_fi/comments/page/7/ to http://www.limeyinbermuda.com/2005/09/bic_releases_fi/comments/page/7/
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140313223014/https://www.limeyinbermuda.com/2005/11/open_mike_3/comments/page/3/ to http://www.limeyinbermuda.com/2005/11/open_mike_3/comments/page/3/
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121110114216/https://www.royalgazette.com/article/20030704/NEWS/307049951 to http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20030704/NEWS/307049951
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121110120235/https://www.royalgazette.com/article/20030222/NEWS/302229994 to http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20030222/NEWS/302229994

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{

}}).

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 15:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Bermuda. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130228051323/http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sources/census/2010_phc/bermuda/Bermuda_new.pdf to http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sources/census/2010_phc/bermuda/Bermuda_new.pdf
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100919082025/http://caricom.org/jsp/community/bermuda.jsp?menu=community to http://www.caricom.org/jsp/community/bermuda.jsp?menu=community
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121110114104/http://www.gov.bm/portal/erver.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_2043_223_990_43/http%3B/ptpublisher.gov.bm%3B7087/publishedcontent/publish/cabinet_office/central_policy_unit/dept___cpu___reports/articles/caricom_discussion_paper_3.pdf to http://www.gov.bm/portal/erver.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_2043_223_990_43/http%3B/ptpublisher.gov.bm%3B7087/publishedcontent/publish/cabinet_office/central_policy_unit/dept___cpu___reports/articles/caricom_discussion_paper_3.pdf
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140804010151/http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2011/02/it-happens-every-spring-a-110-year-retrospective-of-yankees-spring-training-2549 to http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2011/02/it-happens-every-spring-a-110-year-retrospective-of-yankees-spring-training-2549

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{

}}).

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@BilCat: With your last edit the Health care section reads as follows:

Bermuda does employ the same documentation requirements required when selecting CPT codes that other countries do nor those that are defined by the AMA.

After a quick search I didn't see an answer for how this is supposed to read (whether AMA documentation requirements are used), nor did the prior edit change "nor".

) 18:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

@

DIY Editor, BilCat, Vsmith, Toiene0wwe90sd, and 2602:301:7761:42b0:7ccd:89d0:714a:d65: It looks like the repeated attempts to insert the "not" was correct, and made by the same anonymous editor (on a dynamic IP) who made the larger set of good faith but uncited additions earlier. I've rewritten a couple of sentences. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)

~ 04:00, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Inapprpriate sourced material

I intend deleting two sub articles and thought I would ask for comment hear first because they are well sourced. They are in 'politics' about the US detainees and about same sex marriage legislation. These topics do not belong here. They are recent day to day events that are not specific to Bermuda. The breach several wp principles, such as wp:recentism. Without objection I will delete them shortlyRoger 8 Roger (talk) 10:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

As there is no objection I have deleted these comments. I thought of moving them to a separate section on domestic politics but I chose not to because they would not really belong there either (Not comply with the 'WP:10YR"). If anyone wants the cited information retained on WP then perhaps they could create a separate article more suited to this type of information.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 03:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sigehelmus: wrote, "Bermuda is a British territory well within American sphere of influence, ergo UK and US pronunciations are relevant in context." Totally true, but the advantage of diaphonemes is that one transcription lets you effortlessly derive the pronunciation in UK (= RP) and US (= GenAm), to say nothing of the Englishes of the West Country, eastern New England, Canada, or the Bahamas. It's absolutely not worth edit-warring over, though, so I won't insist on the point! Cheers, Q·L·1968 ☿ 22:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Bermuda. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100131202914/http://www.bermudafilmfest.com/ to http://www.bermudafilmfest.com/
• Corrected formatting/usage for https://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hXh3uNX3sav1yJUl6k1XFvjZaycgD98OG1R01
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/release-06112009074832.html
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d965ba30030000&sectionId=60
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d965be30030000&sectionId=60
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080501101116/http://www.bercol.bm/ to http://www.bercol.bm/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Bermuda. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110511073944/http://www.dcoffice.gov.bm/ to http://www.dcoffice.gov.bm/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018.

}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I came here looking for information about the geology of Bermuda, but didn't find the word "geology" in the article. I hope someone with knowledge about this will add a section. Walter Turner

There's at least a little information at Geography of Bermuda. Hope that helps.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  21:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

It is claimed that Portugese is spoken in Bermuda. The citation given [15] does not back up that claim. It says that a local person wants Portugese introduced in schools to promote Portugese culture. That doesn't mean the language is spoken by the local community. Portugese is an ATM machine option. Same thing, where's the proof it is locally spoken? I suggest this claim that Portugese is spoken in Bermuda and its citation , is removed. Any thoughts? Roger 8 Roger (talk)

18:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

The history section needs to be cleaned up. From a chronology perspective it bounces around too much. Also there is absolutely no mention of indigenous humans. So it is reasonable to assume there weren't any. If there were, it should be mentioned. If there weren't then that too should be stated rather than leaving the reader in the dark.

Added that there was no indigenous population. RobDuch (talk) 02:44, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

I've made an attempt to clean up aspects of the article, deleting unnecessary or repeated info, and adding references where possible. However many sections are still too long/un-referenced. TBH there are more interesting places I want to work on so will leave it for now.

) 09:59, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

The last available local data for Bermuda's population is the 2016 Census and the 2017 estimate (see this discussion). On the other hand, we have a more recent 2018 estimate from the The World Factbook which is a third-party source.

The two pertinent places in the lead for the population data are the actual population figure and the superlative most populous British Overseas Territory. While both may work for the population figure, the superlative requires a consistent year across the

) 05:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Enough. Wikipedia does not exist as a front end for another website, nor does it exist to provide 1:1 comparisons between subjects. You are now removing accurate, sourced statements purely as a wilful campaign of misinformation. You do not own this or other pages. I see from your talk page that for six months you have been provided with multiple different authoritative sources and in that time frame have refused to do likewise, instead choosing to ignore such, snipe at other users and revert pages to poorly sourced, blatantly false claims. Your bad faith demands to use the talk page as some sort of attempt to block other users from correcting your edits are disgusting. 104.218.174.219 (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Have you really read these discussions? Don't make baseless accusations. What ignorance of sources and refusal to provide sources are you talking about? The linked discussion on my talk page has two editors considering the merits of using local Census, local estimates, and third-party sources (all within the frame of

WP:CONSENSUS, and you have refused to engage in discussion. Consensus is how Wikipedia works. — MarkH21 (talk

) 03:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Your ongoing refusal to actually engage other editors on this site for the past six months is pathetic. You have made no attempt to refute or even acknowledge the multiple, authoritative sources on population figures provided to you and instead continue to force through your edits based on a single source, a flagrant failure of

WP:V and in particular the Wikipedia:Tertiary-source fallacy

. No other British Overseas Territory uses this data source for population figures, despite your efforts to the contrary. But how about a compromise, hm? How about a sentence to follow your nonsense:

"This will come to shock to the government of Bermuda and its various departments and bodies, such as the Department of Statistics[16][17], Department of Planning[18], Fiscal Responsibility Panel[19], Registry General[20] and Tax Reform Commission[21], the government of the United Kingdom[22], the Bermuda Chamber of commerce[23][24], local economists[25] and grocers(insert ref for Bermuda Tonight October 10th 2019) in Bermuda and international bodies such as the World Bank[26] and United Nations[27], all of whom estimate Bermuda's population to not only be considerably smaller but in decline, and have been planning and operating accordingly; it is hoped that these groups and organisations will someday be informed of Bermuda's true demographics."

It should certainly be ridiculous enough for you. Oh, and to reiterate, since you are claiming that a country's population has increased by 10% in the span of two years: Exceptional claims require exceptional sources 104.218.174.219 (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Right, because Given that there is no 2018 estimate for Bermuda, we could use the local 2017 estimates from

not listening. — MarkH21 (talk

) 19:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

I see you continue to ignore all sources provided to you. Wow. Here is a literal quote from one of the sources provided to you: "...the estimated resident population at the end of 2018 at 63,919...". Here is another quote from the one of the sources provided to you above: "Bermuda (2018) 63,968". Another source provided to you, dated 2019, gives a bleak but speculative "Bermuda’s population of around 61,000". Why did you choose to write "Given that there is no 2018 estimate for Bermuda" after several were provided to you? Other of those sources instead provide a contextual analysis to be taken in consideration with the census, "Bermuda’s population since 2010 has been shrinking", "a rapidly shrinking and ageing population", "It also has a declining population", which individually and collectively refute your source. Apart from the Preliminary Report on the 2016 Population and Housing Census, every source in my preceding comment is from 2018 or 2019. Many of the sources I provided above were from your own talk page, posted by another editor months ago. Altogether, these sources contain literally hundreds of pages. You replied to my comment almost immediately with false claims like "Given that there is no 2018 estimate for Bermuda"; in other words, you, demonstrably, have not read them. That is not "acknowledging" sources, it is ignoring them, and is, frankly, evidence of deep dishonesty on your part.

You claim that you are engaging in discussion. Where? Other editors have commented on your source, while only once have you made any comment on another editor's source: to declare that you would not accept a senior British government official whose job is the oversee the British Overseas Territories -- in other words, an authority on the subject -- as a reliable source while you continued to bang the drum of your vaunted website. That was in March, and when that editor pressed you on the matter months later in July, you gave a dismissive (and, at least in hindsight, false) promise to consider them. Even more time passes and September arrives: that editor again pushed you for comment, again in the form of a lengthy write up supported by multiple sources, and you ignored everything they wrote, declaring that your source was the best, threatening to edit dozens of pages to match it and then belittling the editor for mentioning an anecdote...(by the way, you may wish to actually read the page you were editing some time: when you do, you will find that the Cayman Islands population is not spread "across three islands" as you stated but is almost entirely concentrated on one). You do not respond to questions, suggestions or ideas posed to you, instead your responses are little more than simply pasting your claim that we should only use your source across every page.

WHY won't you substantiate your source with others? WHY is the United Nations an invalid source compared to the CIA World Factbook? WHY is the World Bank an invalid source compared to CIA World Factbook? WHY are the branches of the Bermuda government invalid sources compared to CIA World Factbook? WHY are documents from 2018 and 2019 outdated? You need to not only answer these and the other questions, but convince other users that your answers are the right ones. As mentioned...REPEATEDLY...you have had six months on some of these sources and have said nothing; you clearly aren't interested in doing so. That is not building consensus.

Of course other editors are going to treat you in a hostile manner and regard you as a bad faith editor. Remember - you began this edit war at 23:34, 9 October 2019‎ (and were subsequently a fully willing and enthusiastic participant), reverting an edit without giving a meaningful reason knowing full well, as demonstrated on you own talk page in March 2019, that other editors would not agree with you and would, as demonstrated on the Cayman Islands page, change it. 104.218.174.219 (talk) 00:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Your understanding of the discussion is extremely inaccurate. I was referring to, as you can read, the other editor’s claim that Unfortunately Bermuda does not seem to be keeping such good track of its population, as the 2018 Digest of Statistics only gives an estimate for 2017, of 63,921. I have commented on the sources being discussed four times, not one. I offered a point, never championed it as some unassailable opinion that is unopposable, and engaged in civil discussion.
Yes, I did not respond to the sources you just brought up because your baseless accusations and lack of civility are a much greater obstacle to any discourse. If you can't be bothered to consider any of the points that I made or read what the other editor actually said without jumping to empty accusations, then this is clearly going nowhere.
To be clear (at the very least to any other editor looking at this), I am not upholding some infallible greatness of The World Factbook and my past discussions ([28], [29]) make it extraordinarily clear that I am not rejecting the local sources, the UN source, or any of the others. I just put forward an issue in the past discussion about using outdated local sources vs current third-party sources. — MarkH21 (talk) 01:48, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

There are 4 ambulances and several EMT's as evidenced by this article published by the Bermuda Hospitals Board: https://bermudahospitals.bm/new-ambulance-fleet-unveiled-278/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbossbarr (talk • contribs) 18:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

216.152.18.131 (talk) 02:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

It's climate is also oceanic, typical of oceanic islands and also of the western coasts of continents in the Northern Hemisphere (as mean wind direction in the Northern Hemisphere is from the west, hence from the ocean, ensuring relatively high humidity, which stabilises temperature, and acts as a source of heat), which also explains the moderate winters and summers of the British Isles and Wesetern Eurasia generally) and lies in the hurricane belt and thus is prone to related severe weather; however, it is somewhat protected by a coral reef and by its position at the north of the belt, which limits the direction and severity of approaching storms.

A period would die of sheer loneliness in that sentence.

I'm not sure if this is a result of standard map description naming conventions in Wiki, but's its the fist time I have observed it. Opening the map for Bermuda displays "Location of overseas territory xy (see file name) ...". It is repeated for the two types of configurable map options. Is that the best way to provide the map description name to the user, is having them read the map filename (which can be a jumble of hierarchical stuff)? SquashEngineer (talk) 16:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I think this article could be improved by the separation of the political entity of Bermuda and the geographic island chain that it is on. The page for the islands themselves could include geographic information, separate from the political information, and would allow more focus on the page, so the page is less cluttered. For a precedent, there are 2 separate pages for

) 06:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the analogy with Hawaii and personally I don't see the merit in the proposal. Bermuda is an archipelago but the 7 main islands are so close together they are effectively a single unit and whilst it makes some sense to talk about the Hawaiian islands separately as they have distinct identities, I don't see Bermuda as being in any way similar. WCM_email 06:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Bermuda The Somers Isles, or Islands of Bermuda) is a British Overseas Territory in the North Atlantic Ocean. It is about 1,035 km (643 mi) east-southeast of Cape Hatteras, North Carolina (with Cape Point on Hatteras Island being the nearest landfall); 1,236 km (768 mi) south of Cape Sable Island, Nova Scotia; 1,759 km (1,093 mi) northeast of Cuba, and 1,538 km (956 mi) due north of the British Virgin Islands. Though typically referred to in the singular, Bermuda has 181 islands; the largest of these being Main Island. Bermuda's capital city is Hamilton. Bermuda is internally self-governing, with its constitution and cabinet of ministers selected from the elected Members of the lower house of a Parliament that enacts local laws. As the national government, the Government of the United Kingdom is ultimately responsible for ensuring good governance within British Overseas Territories, and retains responsibility for defence and foreign relations. As of July 2018, it had a population of 71,176, making it the most populous of the British overseas territories. [1] Bermuda's largest industries are offshore insurance, reinsurance, and tourism. [6][7] Bermuda had one of the world's highest GDP per capita for most of the 20th century. [8]

Bermuda's climate is subtropical,[9] primarily due to its chilly but mild winter temperatures. Unlike other designated subtropical areas, summers are also mild, with temperatures generally not rising above 30°C (86°F) in the hottest months of July and August. Its climate also exhibits oceanic features similar to other oceanic islands and western coasts of continents in the Northern Hemisphere: mean wind direction is from the west and carries warm, moist air from the ocean, ensuring relatively high humidity and stabilising temperature. Bermuda lies in Hurricane Alley and thus is prone to severe weather; however, it receives some protection from a coral reef and its position at the north of the belt, which limits the direction and severity of approaching storms.

In reference to the note left at 06:58, 18 September 2021‎ by Hazhk when editing this article:

(Bermuda is entirely self-governing. The British Prime Minister has as much involvement in the governance of Bermuda as does the Scottish First Minister. And the "To be confirmed" statement from 10 months ago should never have been left this long.)

Hazhk removed text from the infobox:

− | national_representation = Government of the United Kingdom

− | national_representation_type1 = Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

− | national_representation1 = Boris Johnson

I have not replaced this text as describing the relationship of the Parliament (and the Cabinet) of the United Kingdom as "representation" is inaccurate, given there is no representation of the British nationals in the British Overseas Territories due to the the failure of Parliament to create electoral districts for them (other than appending Gibraltar to an existing district in England for the purposes of European Union elections, which is no longer relevant following Brexit).

Hazhk is however incorrect in stating that Bermuda is entirely self-governing. Were that true, Bermuda would be an independent state. Its relationship to the United Kingdom is not that of a Dominion or of a federated state. Bermuda is an internal region or territory within the larger territory of the United Kingdom, although the Government of the United Kingdom often describes it as otherwise, and describes that part of the British territory that lies within the British Isles as though it were, also, a local government area within that larger territory, which is true to the degree that much legislation and regulation of the British Government is not applied to the British Overseas Territories. Nonetheless, BOTs such as Bermuda remain parts of the British national territory, and their governance is entirely the responsibility of the British Government, which possesses complete sovereignty. The local governments have as much responsibility for legislation and governance as the British Government has delegated to them. The British Government remains sovereign, and can, should it choose to do so, assert complete control over local governance. This is expressed in the areas of competence of the National (ie, British) and local (ie territorial) governments: the local Governments have been delegated authority and responsibility on the British Government's behalf for certain areas of internal legislation and governance, while internal security (the police), national security (the armed forces and defence), international affairs, and ENSURING GOOD GOVERNANCE have been reserved for the national (British) government. ENSURING GOOD GOVERNANCE means the British Government retains responsibility for the entire governance of the territories, albeit for now it has delegated certain areas of governance to the territorial governments.

This can be observed in this very article on the subject of the Bermuda government's acceptance of United States Government detainees from Guantanamo Bay in 2009, where it is recorded that the British Foreign Office issued the following statement:

We've underlined to the Bermuda Government that they should have consulted with the United Kingdom as to whether this falls within their competence or is a security issue, for which the Bermuda Government do not have delegated responsibility. We have made clear to the Bermuda Government the need for a security assessment, which we are now helping them to carry out, and we will decide on further steps as appropriate.^[2]

Aodhdubh (talk) 17:07, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

(ping Grutness) Some sources state 123, and others state 181. I can't find a great source, but more official ones appear to state 181. Does anyone have good reliable sources which might explain the discrepancy, what else should be in List of islands of Bermuda (which currently lists 126 islands by my count), and how many islands there were originally (before merging/land reclamation/dredging). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 03:04, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

We've got 126 listed at

Cave Island, Bermuda and Cooper's Island, Bermuda). And then there are "islands" which are little more than large rocks. I don't know how you'd go about getting a definitive number. Grutness...wha?

05:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Markiplier Plays FNAF 4 Part 2

He Played FNAF 4 Part 2 on July 24th 2015. It has 19,454,726 Viewers On February 2022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caucasian Man 2006 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Caucasian Man 2006. This is the talk page for discussing improvements to Bermuda. If you want to see Markiplier or its talk page, edit on the respective pages. I have left a welcome message on your talk page as well.Thank you. Kpddg ^(talk) 02:13, 7 February 2022 (UTC)