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Boyar literally means FURIOUS AT FIGHT (v BOYu YARy) in most of slav languages. At the beginning people obtained that top rank of social hierarhy on the battle field with the sword in the arm. There is nothing else behind that meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saddam Hu (talk • contribs) 09:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is this term related to German 'Bauer' somehow?

probably cognate to Dutch boor/boer ("farmer") and French baron.

In the middle-ages, rich farmers made their way into the aristocracy elsewhere in Europe, so it is possible this term was adopted in Russian. — Jor 14:18, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

It might be a connection. But dictionary.com says it's:

From boiaren, from Russian boyarin, from Old Russian boljarin, from Turkic baylar, pl. of bay, rich; akin to Turkish bay, rich, gentleman.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=boyar

Bogdan | Talk 16:12, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I was wondering about this :) — Jor 19:20, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

67.175.166.55 03:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)In the rapidly-changing economy of contemporary Romania, the boyars' medieval domains were practically converted into colonial plantations.[reply]

What does this sentence mean? What is "contemporary Romania"? Contemporary as in 2000, or 18th century, or 19th century? "Colonial plantations"? Whose colonies? Who is the coloniser? I don't get it. 67.175.166.55 03:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who will translate it from http://old-rus.narod.ru/zvan.html and http://www.websib.ru/~gardarika/lec/lec4-2.html ? The hierarhy for Russia has Boyare Dumskie (of Duma), Boiare Starshie ("Elder" or Senior), Boyare Men'shie ("Junior" or Minor), Deti Boyarskie ("Childeren" a kind of Gentelman)

I think the "boieri" of Wallachia and Moldavia should be on a different page since the Tatars are claiming this page as their own, a very typical behaviour for them. —The preceding

To anyone with adequate background on the matter (I don't have one) - what is that thing about boyars migrating from Iran to Ireland? Is it my impression or is there a little confusion between boyars and boaires on this page? Aside 23:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A lost link between Boyars of India and Europe. There was a great migration in Indus valley in 5th BCE . The boyar warrior caste a Kshatriya community was split into many groups took different direction and invaded many regions. By and large there are more similarities in culture and origin . Temple inscription and Religious text also denotes about boyar caste. so we conclude that Boyars are distant cousins of East asia and Russia.

http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_alphalist_karnataka_dharwad.asp

http://www.geocities.com/~patrin/

http://www.harappa.com/har/har0.html

Boyars migrated from Indo-Iran around 5th century BCE to Indian sub-continent and later 9th century to Turkey and Romania. Boyars are mainly found in South India as Hindu Telugu speaking community and non-orthodox kshatriyas. Boyars arrived to Andhra - Orissa region during Indo-Aryan migration around 5th century BCE. Boyar warriors served as military regiment between 10th century to 15th century in Chalukya, Chola, Vijayanagar and Hoysala empires. The Musunuri Nayaks were Boyars and Kamma warrior chieftains in the Kakatiya army, who regained Andhra in 1326 from the Delhi Sultanate in the aftermath of the Kakatiya defeat. King Pratapa Rudra’s Kakatiya kingdom was ably served by seventy five chieftains called Nayaks. The Nayaks who belonged to various agrarian castes such as Boyar, Velama, Kamma, Reddy, Telaga, Balija, etc. were divided by mutual jealousy and rivalry but they are valiant cousins. Rayadurg and Kalyandurg are the two important forts which were ruled by Boya Palegars. The name Kalyandurg came from Kalyanappa, who was a Polygar in the 16th Century. Rayadurg was originally a stronghold of Boyar palegar who were very turbulent during the Vijayanagar rule. Kalyandurg was under the rule of Sri Krishnadevaraya and was a part of Vijayanagara Empire. Boya Palaiyakkarar (Polygar) who was to administrate their Palaiyams (territories) from their Fortified centers. Their chief function was to collect taxes, maintain law and order, run the local judiciary, and maintain a battalion of troops for the Nayak. Later in 17th century distinguished themselves as smiths, sculptors, nobles, leaders, priests, landlords, temple sculptors, arm traders, and sea farers . Boya is considered as oldest caste and origin among many castes in India . Boyars are non-pure Kshatriyas they are called as ' Boya ' in Andhra Pradesh ' Boyar ' in Tamil nadu and in Karnataka as ' Bhovi '. Boya, Boyar, Boyi, Bhovi are the hereditary and clan title. Boyar caste consists many gotras. Boyas worship Tirupati Lord Venkat Ramana, Mariamman, Shiva, Subramanya, etc. Today the estimated population of Boyar community is 15 million spread throughout India and other countries . Comprising State leaders, Administrative officers, Politicians, Entrepreneurs, Industrialists, Financiers, Doctors , Accountants, Lawyers, Professionals, Engineers, Academicians, Businessmen and Traders. A lost link between Boyars of India and Europe. There was a great migration in Indus valley in 5th BCE boyar warrior caste a Kshatriya community was split into many groups took different direction and invaded many regions. By and large there are more similarities in culture and origin . Temple inscription and Religious texts also denotes about boyar caste and origin. so we conclude that Boyars are distant cousins of East asia and Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.248.182 (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word Bojari in Russian language is a loan word. The Finno Ugrian Pajari has also another variant Ylimys (Higher or Above or More than Ordinary people). This is literally equal than English Aristocrat. In old Persian habits even the leading bazar traders called each others (in Finnish direct transliteration) in Finnish version Ylhäisyys in respective habits. That is something like "Honoured Higher" transliterated in English language. This word spread among Bolghars and Slavonic peoples. In most cases the Russian Bojari meant respected higher village elder ie. Pajari. This name was used mainly to describe the larger heimo (tribal) elders of Finno Ugrian origin which were incorporated in (Slavonized) Rudiker´s kin but with lower social status than Rudirik own kin Ruhtinaz (in Old Porussi = Old Prussian) transfered to Slavonic Knjäz (Känjäz), later appeared in form Knjaz. This ancient name originated from Asia, is also found in form Kaani (Khan) or Shaahi or Sahibi (Sahib). In old Chinese history their Emperor is also described under title (in Finnish transliteration) Kiinan Kaani (Khan of China). In c.700 - 1200 the Finnish tribes used even Kaani for Paavi (Pope). Paavi was the influencial spiritual leader in Rooma, who, with the help of his advisers Kuuria (Huurit), ruled the large army of bypassed spirits. His symbol was kultavati = golden plate and he had his seat at Vatikaani in honour of his golden plate. The golden plate symbolised the Salome´s dance, revarded by Herodes with Johannes head placed on it. That is why he was named Plate Khan.88.115.115.177 (talk) 03:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarian occult nonsense. Slavs do not speak Hungarian or Turcic languages. And never did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.67.162 (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This Indo-European word for Finno Ugrian Karhu / Otso / Vorku or old Slavonic Misha for Bear seems to have had also its own effect to symbolise spiritual serving the Bear as holy figure or sacred animal in ancient pre Christian times in coniferous zone of forests in Eurasia. Swedish name Björn was transfered to old Slavonic in form Bojarn coming later Bojari. One have to remember Ä / ä and Ö / ö do not exist in Slavonic languages in pronouncing or in written Kyrillic form. Even pronouncing Finno Ugrian word hyvä (good) makes problems for Slavonic origin people. It is pronounced in soft form (Latinised) Hjuuva = Hjuva (Hyava). The Björn become pronuonced Bojarn (Boyarn) later Bojari (Boyari). The written language for Eastern Slavic people was introduced by Bulgarian origin Byzantine monk Kyrillos and his fellows in Kieva when the Knjäz of Kieva managed to marry a Byzantine Princess of Purple Born kin, the daughter of Emperor (Imperator), the descendant or descender of Holy Rome Caesaric Family. Knjäzäric or Njatzaric family, from spiritual Nazarik (Nazareth), the town of Holy Symbol for Lord´s Mother and his son Jesu from Nasareth who spoked beatiful Aramean (Ärämean) language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.115.177 (talk) 03:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have never seen a person named by this surname in Russia. Maybe it's common in Finland, but certainly not in Russia.--Dojarca (talk) 00:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In medieval

I am Bulgarian and the title is BOLYAR, not boyar! Who wrote this article - some 6 years old child? Also the title Bolyar has nothing to do with the turkic meaning you have stated here! This is such an insult - to call the great Bulgarian bolyari - turks!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.255.193.233 (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many people think that Boyars are descendents of Kiratas. This is not true. There are many tribes with hunting as lively hood. If kirata is a hunting tribe in North India and Nepal, Boya is a hunting tribe in South India. Kiratas were being mentioned several times in Sanskrit Mahabharata epic, which was written by Valmiki, a kirata. Telugu/Tamil poets know that Boyar is a very ferocious hunting tribe in South India. So they replaced Kiratas with boya in South Indian Mahabharata. Thus Valimiki was considered to be a Boya guy. This resulted in Boyas to believe Valmiki to be their ancestor. Kiratas have lost their kshatriya status due to denail of Vedic rituals. Although Boyas are not true kshatriyas, the only fact was that they served as warriors, army chiefs and satraps in south indian dynasties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by భూపతిరాజుyjjnvvcc రమేష్ రాజు (talk • contribs) 07:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was nothing given to Slavs in history. Only taken away. If they were so "inferior" in fights and army in general (according to the orthodox (occult) views) why they today posses around 40% of Asian territories and above half of Europe's territory is inhabited by Slavic-speaking communities...

I think that the claims about the "turkic" or "iranic" or "hebrew" or "german" origins of Slavs are made up (in general).

Boyar derives from Slavic root Boj or "fight"; boyar as "fighter". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.67.162 (talk) 12:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As of present, the article is quite good (I am both a Russian-speaker and a linguist). However, the talk page gets me really worried. There are crowds of people who pop up with their personal etymological ideas(without even understanding the difference between a Turkic etymology for a Slavic word and the idea of Slavs 'speaking' Turkic or descending from Turks). I address everyone: please remember that Wikipedia does not allow original research!!!176.15.77.168 (talk) 18:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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In Russia, the boyar was originally a large landowner. I drew attention to this and found that the term BOYARA ( ru: БОЯРА ) in Asia Minor (Palestine) meant a plot of fertile land with a close location of groundwater and water keys, which reduced the cost of irrigation and allowed to receive large yields. So I came to the conclusion that the word boyar (ru: Боярин ) means rich landowner of the most fertile lands.АСмуров (talk) 09:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source ru: Меерович, М.Г., Описание еврейских колоний в Палестине / Сост. агр. М.Г. Меерович. - Одесса : Ком. о-ва вспомоществования евреям земледельцам и ремесленникам в Сирии и Палестине, 1900 (обл. 1901). - 196 с.АСмуров (talk) 09:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone please clarify what boyars have to do with the Baltic German nobility? The Balts were ethnic Germans whose lands at some point came under imperial Russian administration, but that doesn't suddenly make them russians or boyars.195.202.44.90 (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proto-Slavic is an Indo-european language. Words like "Boyar" or "Bogatyr" are of Indo-european origin and have no roots in Turkic! In fact, it is the Turkic languages that adapted many Indo-european words. There is no evidence for these words to be of turkic origin and the creators who constantly add imaginary turkic orgin theories to wikipedia articles about the etymology of Slavic words seem to follow some type of agenda. 94.17.154.23 (talk) 05:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]