Talk:Edith Sitwell

This  level-5 vital article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Arts and Entertainment This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group (assessed as Mid-importance). Poetry This article is within the scope of WikiProject Poetry, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of poetry on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoetryWikipedia:WikiProject PoetryTemplate:WikiProject PoetryPoetry articles ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale. Women writers Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women writers, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women writers on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women writersWikipedia:WikiProject Women writersTemplate:WikiProject Women writersWomen writers articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Women's History Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. England Mid‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. Yorkshire Low‑importance Edith Sitwell is within the scope of WikiProject Yorkshire, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Yorkshire on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project, see a list of open tasks, and join in discussions on the project's talk page.YorkshireWikipedia:WikiProject YorkshireTemplate:WikiProject YorkshireYorkshire articles Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Should this article start by giving Edith Sitwell her full name: Dame Edith Louisa Sitwell? --

Looks like someone thought so - David Gerard 12:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'She wrote under the light of oil lamps when the lights of England were out of service.' is a strange sentence. Does it mean during the blackout, when it would not matter if one used electric light or oil lamps as long as no light could be seen outside, or when the power was cut off because of bombing - not sure if this ever happened in rural Derbyshire? PhilUK (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We read 'The poems she wrote during the war brought her back before the public.' At this point in the article, there has been no mention that she had ever been before the public. The early work is not featured till further down. 109.154.14.8 (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox just gives 9 December 1964 (aged 77) in "London", but the text currently says "She died of

The ODNB entry here might be useful, although no cause is given. I see that The New York Times claimed that she died from a heart attack. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]

The ODNB entry is vague and not useful for this purpose. The best primary source would be the death certificate from the GRO. Cost used to be around $30 in real money. Or would that be rejected by Wikimedia as consituting original research? Perhaps the NYT "heart attack" report is a verifiable secondary source? But if it's wrong...? Foiled circuitous wanderer (talk) 07:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that the ODNB entry is "vague and not useful for this purpose." It's pretty clear in what it says. It's also not pay-walled. Indeed, ODNB is generally one of the best biographical sources we can use. So I have now added that as the source. I will search for a

WP:OR. And images can be faked, of course. By the way, talking of "real money", certificates cost £11 in the UK (if you are personally that interested). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Here's the front page of the NYT, from 10 December 1964. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why GRO certificates are considered to be OR. What's the difference between buying a [auto]biography and quoting that as a verifiable source [anyone can verify it by buying their own copy, or finding one in a library], and buying a GRO certificate, which anyone is also at liberty to buy, at least within GB? Foiled circuitous wanderer (talk) 07:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A very reasonable question. I have always been a little bemused by this, especially as they are the essential currency of most genealogical research and are used as legal proof of identity in many contexts. Note that WP:PRIMARYCARE says this:

"* An article about a person: ... Many other primary sources, including birth certificates, the Social Security Death Index, and court documents, are usually not acceptable primary sources, because it is impossible for the viewer to know whether the person listed on the document is the notable subject rather than another person who happens to have the same name."

I've always assumed that applies equally to marriage and death certificates. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Arms of Sitwell.png

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]