Talk:Elín Briem

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thanks from WiR Victuallers (talk) 09:18, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected some misunderstandings/mistranslations from Icelandic. "Née Eiriksdóttir" can't be right, I think: The Briems are one of the few Icelandic families with an actual family name. Elíns father was Eggert Gunnlaugson Briem while her mother had only an Icelandic patronymic, Ingibjörg Eiríksdóttir, so Ingibjörg's father's name was Eiríkur. This patronymic wouldn't be transferred to Ingibjörg's daughter, Elín, however; if Elín would've used a patronymic herself, it would have been Eggertsdóttir, "daughter of Eggert" (and the file name for the photo File:Elin-Briem-Eggertsdottir-crop.jpg actually contains that patronymic). In modern times, a matronymic would also be possible - that would be Ingibjargardóttir, "daughter of Ingibjörg", but these weren't used in the 19th century. In any case, it would never have been Eiriksdóttir for Elín. - Her father's name is not Eggerts, that's an inflected form, it's Eggert. - There is no place named Skagfirðingar; Skagfirðingar means "the people of Skagafjörður". Also, "sheriff" is not a good translation of sýslumaður for this time period, as back then, the sýslumenn were rather something like a district/county magistrate. For the modern sýslumenn of Iceland, sheriff could be used, as this is closer to their current role. - Eggert was sýslumaður in various counties in northern/northwestern Iceland (see also Counties of Iceland), not just in Skagafjörður, and the sources used don't quite give the same sequence of when he was active where, so I phrased this more broadly. - I suppose that Reynistathar is actually the farm Reynistaður near Sauðárkrókur, see is:Reynistaður. - I don't think it's a good idea to link Skagafjörður (municipality) for the place of the first school, as this modern municipality was created only in 1998. For this time period, Skagafjörður means the general area of the fjord, or more specifically, the county. The actual place of the school was apparently a farm named Ás in the Hegranes area: ""Þannig að haustið 1877 var Kvennaskóli Skagfirðinga settur að Ási í Hegranesi" according to this source. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another note: In the late 19th to early 20th century, there was a tendency in Iceland to adopt new family names and also to use patronymics as a family name, as it became the norm in Scandinavia. That's the reason why Elín Briem became known as Elín Jónsson through her marriage with Stefán Jónsson, which wouldn't be the case in earlier times or nowadays. But this trend (rather short-lived, as the Althing banned the adoption of family names again in 1925) followed Scandinavian/European patrilineal patterns, so I really don't think that the mother's patronymic would have been used as family name for the daughter, at least not without a source for such an unusual choice, and I don't see any sources here stating that. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]