Talk:Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House

Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: April 20, 2024. (Reviewed version).

Architecture: Historic houses Mid‑importance

	Architecture portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Historic houses task force (assessed as Mid-importance).

National Register of Historic Places Mid‑importance

	National Register of Historic Places portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of U.S. historic sites listed on the National Register of Historic Places on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.National Register of Historic PlacesWikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesTemplate:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesNational Register of Historic Places articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

New York (state) Mid‑importance

	New York (state) portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York (state), a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of New York on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York (state)Wikipedia:WikiProject New York (state)Template:WikiProject New York (state)New York (state) articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

New York City Mid‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

A fact from Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the heiress
Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House
.

Wikipedia

Help

I could not find "The Rhinelander Mansion" nor "The Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo Mansion" in the Lists of National Historic Landmarks. Is it listed under a different name? The article mentions that it was "purchased by a nearby church in the late 1960s".. maybe it's listed under some church name (I have seen some). Am I looking in the wrong place? Thanks in advance, --Abu Badali 14:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See added citation. Doc ♬ talk 19:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's the National Register of Historic Places not the Lists of National Historic Landmarks. Are they the same? Why does teh building appears on the first (that is a commercial site), but not in the second (that is a .gov site)?. I'm confused. --Abu Badali 22:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the "reference" for a while. It was:

<ref>Waldo, Gertrude Rhinelander, Mansion (added 1980 - Building - #80002727) retrieved August 29, 2006 </ref>

Awaiting for clarifications. --Abu Badali 14:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With the lack of clarifications on the matter, I removed the mention to National Historic Landmark. It should be readded when we fix this sourcing problems.

Weasel Words

I removed the following text in accordance to

WP:AWW

:

"It has been suggested that she ran out of money before it was complete. "

If any source is found, feel free to rephrase and readd the information to the article. --Abu Badali 23:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictions in New York Times articles In researching this for Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo, I found
If I read them correctly, the 2010 article says that Mrs Waldo bought the property at 72nd and Madison in 1882 and started construction in 1894, while the 1915 story says she inherited real estate in 1882 and sold most of it in 1896 to buy the lot and start the new mansion. Can anyone disentangle the elements? (I think that more than one piece of property is involved.)

—— Shakescene (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The real estate included the mansion's site and some other land. She sold some other property in 1896 to finance the current house's construction (the sources still disagree on exactly when construction started). – Epicgenius (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 22:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(
Comment or view
Article history
)

The Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House

... that when the heiress Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo was negotiating to sell her abandoned New York City mansion, she said "I don't think I'll sell" and walked out? Source: "Old Waldo Mansion to Go at Auction; House That Has Never Been Occupied Will Be Sold Under Foreclosure" (PDF). The New York Times. December 24, 1909.
ALT1: ... that the heiress Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo abandoned a brand-new mansion in New York City when it was completed? Source: Gray, Christopher (October 7, 2010). "Mrs. Waldo's Mysterious Mansion". The New York Times.

ALT2: ... that the heiress Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo abandoned a brand-new mansion in New York City and refused to sell, rent, or maintain it? Source: Gray, Christopher (October 7, 2010). "Mrs. Waldo's Mysterious Mansion". The New York Times.

ALT3: ... that the Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House, once abandoned by its owner, later became Ralph Lauren's flagship store?Source: Gray, Christopher (October 7, 2010). "Mrs. Waldo's Mysterious Mansion". The New York Times.

ALT4: ... that a renovation of the Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House required 400 workers and was delayed by bomb threats and preservation rules?Source: DiGennaro, Ralph (April 26, 1986). "Now, Ralph Lauren Can Get It for You Retail: Ralph Lauren, Designer, is Now Ralph Lauren, Proprietor". Newsday. p. A1.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Meromictic lake, Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis W. Green

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 648 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Epicgenius (talk) 16:59, 5 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

New enough:

Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Adequate sourcing:

Neutral
:

Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Cited:

Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Good article, passes Earwig, long enough, and fully sourced. A very good article on a unique building. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile: Thanks for the review, I appreciate it. To clarify, were the above hooks struck because there were issues with them, or were they just not interesting? Epicgenius (talk) 17:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Epic. No issues with any of the hooks, I just felt it was incumbent upon me to choose the hookiest hook 🪝 for the promoter to use. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. 750h+ | Talk 13:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA toolbox

Copyvio detector
Authorship
External links

Reviewing

Templates
Criteria
Instructions

This review is
transcluded from Talk:Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House/GA1
. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 16:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 05:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Epicgenius, I'll take this review. 750h+ | Talk 05:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment table

Good Article
review progress box

WP:CV
()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. free or tagged images
() 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the
Good Article criteria. Criteria marked
are unassessed

Lead section

Constructed from 1894 to 1898, it was designed by Alexander Mackintosh of the architectural firm of Kimball & Thompson. Might be personal preference, but I feel like "Built between 1894 and 1898" has a better flow. 750h+ | Talk 13:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have done this. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might consider linking
facade in the second paragraph. 750h+ | Talk 00:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo bought the site in 1882 but did not develop it for more than a decade. change her full name to her last name, as you’ve mentioned her previously. 750h+ | Talk 00:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The building became a Ralph Lauren menswear store in 2010. maybe link it to the Ralph Lauren brand? Might also be personal preference though. 750h+ | Talk 00:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DUPLINK for this reason. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Those are my lead complaints.

Site

These include 888 Madison Avenue, a 22,000-square-foot (2,000 m2) store completed in 2010 as Ralph Lauren's secondary flagship;[9] it is designed in a Beaux-Arts style with a limestone facade and marble interiors,[10][11] The Rhinelander Mansion shares the block with St. James' Episcopal Church immediately to the south, 36 East 72nd Street to the east, and 740 Park Avenue to the southeast. Should "The Rhinelander Mansion" have a capital "The"? This sentence might be a bit too long too. 750h+ | Talk 13:51, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, that was supposed to be two sentences (I accidentally put a comma instead of a period after "interiors"). Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

The Gertrude Rhinelander Waldo House at 867 Madison Avenue is four and a half stories tall. You've already mentioned the fact it is at 867 Madison Avenue. Do we need to mention this again? 750h+ | Talk 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope; I have removed it. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A New York Times reporter wrote in 1984 link
New York Times. 750h+ | Talk 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the basement was a large bowling alley. Sounds a bit weirdly phrased. I feel like "A large bowling alley was in the basement." 750h+ | Talk 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first floor was a large center hall extending one-third the width of the Madison Avenue frontage, with mahogany paneling on the walls and ceiling. Link Mahogany, if that's right. 750h+ | Talk 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link
fluorescent lights. 750h+ | Talk 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Done. Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"After the 1980s renovation, it had green walls with portraits; elaborate plasterwork; wood paneling; and vaulted ceilings." Do we really need semi-colons? Or can we replace these with commas? 750h+ | Talk 13:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've reworded this to remove the need for a semicolons (otherwise it sounds like the walls had plasterwork, paneling, and vaulted ceilings). Epicgenius (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History

News media announced in October 1920… change this to “The news media announced in October 1920..” 750h+ | Talk 16:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first-floor spaces were divided and leased to various tenants in the 1960s and 1970s. should there be a dash between first and floor? 750h+ | Talk 16:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link Women's Wear Daily 750h+ | Talk 16:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Impact

Nothing from me, this is fine.

Image review—pass

The prose is excellent. So are the images. The images included are appropriately licensed, so this is an image pass.

Source review

Reviewing this version

Source 1 OK, checked on each instance of usage, checked via Google Books

Source 2 OK, checked on each instance of usage, checked via Open Library

Source 3 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 10 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 20 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 27 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 30 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 48 OK, checked on each instance of usage, Newspapers.com source

Source 65 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 95 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 120 OK

Source 121 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 138 OK, checked on each instance of usage

Source 191 OK, both sources were checked.

Happy to pass the source review.

Verdict

No comments left, happy to pass this article for GA status. Great job on it.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.