Talk:Grey Gowrie

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	A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 3, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Grey Gowrie, while holding office under Margaret Thatcher, described himself as "Irishman with a Scots name and a German wife, working, somewhat to his surprise, for a very English government"?
	A news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on October 1, 2021.

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According to Peerage News he has died.84.167.81.194 (talk) 14:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been doing some work on this article over a few days, and I have now concluded that a name change is needed - the question is, to what name; the current name seems to simply be incorrect. Normally I'd just be WP:BOLD and move it, but the 2-3 major options are very different. So, first the basis for change:

• Like his father and grandfather, and as per all major obits, and the parliamentary record, the subject was Alexander Patrick Greysteil Hore-Ruthven, not simply Ruthven
• Except to very close friends, the subject appears to have spent most of his life known as Grey Gowrie
• The form used in the article name is found practically nowhere

So we could logically move to:

• Grey Gowrie - per WP:COMMONNAME (and, from
  WP:NCPEER
  : Peers who are best known by a territorial suffix from their senior title or a courtesy title...)
• Alexander Patrick Greysteil Hore-Ruthven - never really used publicly, best left as birth name in the infobox?
• Grey Hore-Ruthven, 2nd Earl of Gowrie - elaborating the current article name, allowing for the peerage issue

Any comments welcome... SeoR (talk) 15:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am preparing to move the article anyway, as it is embarrassing that it is on an incorrect name, even as thousands come to read it following the subject's death. One last call for inputs, then I will move for Grey Gowrie as a first step, as the best fit to policy. SeoR (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Having scanned again more than 20 references, incl. the obits, the titles of books he published, articles he wrote, his interviews, and the death notice his family placed, I am going ahead with COMMONNAME Grey Gowrie. SeoR (talk) 09:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Has a defined structure, including a lead section, and one or more sections of body content - yes
• Is free from major grammatical and spelling errors - yes
• Reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious inaccuracies or omissions - yes, all major aspects of life and career appear
• Is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations - yes, 1-2 refs could be improved, but they're there
• Contains, as and when appropriate, supporting materials, such as an infobox, images / figures / tables - infobox yes, tables not relevant - a picture would of course be nice, but it may not be easy to secure a copyright-flexible or -free picture; all the circulated photos I could find of this rather public figure are very much under commercial copyright

> PASS. SeoR (talk) 11:07, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• (re. Edward Plunkett / 20th Lord Dunsany) "was purchaser of the
  The 18th Baron of Dunsany
  , the famous writer." - this once had a basis in something, newspaper or Dunsany family site, but this cannot be located, so out it comes for now.
• More needed on the poetry collections (but only with citation).

SeoR (talk) 15:10, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Viewership since improvement works begun: from average of ~30, Friday 24 Sept. (death): 2,811 / Saturday 25: 3,165 / Mon 26 - Thurs 27 average: 654 / Friday 1 Oct. (article name as subject was generally known): 8,848 / Sat. 1: 3,510

(since renaming, direct here: Friday 8,176 / Saturday 3,369) - progress. SeoR (talk) 07:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]