Talk:Henrietta Hudson

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Thanks on this catch, Armadillopteryx. That's another shocker, alas one I don't have time for this evening but hopefully soon. Star Mississippi 21:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi: Of course, anytime! Armadillopteryx 21:49, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Pyxis Solitary for the clean up, had no idea there was a magazine template. I have one question about "former" in the intro, which is something I also struggle with as far as dropping the lesbian branding and no longer being a bar. Do you think now it sounds like it's closed? I agree with your edits, I'm jut not sure if there's another way to say it. Thoughts? Star Mississippi 19:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's was no longer a "lesbian bar" the day it dropped that from its description in 2014, and it will reopen as a "queer" space. Since it is no longer a bar that focuses on lesbians, nor is interested in being associated as such, it should be described as a former lesbian bar. Henrietta Hudson is now basically another place in the Village that welcomes lesbians, which is no different than any other place that is open to a lesbian clientele (a male gay bar does not become a "lesbian bar" because lesbians may go to it, nor does a Village diner become a "lesbian restaurant" because lesbians may dine there). Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 20:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be clearer to say something like Henrietta Hudson is [insert "an LGBT bar", "a queer venue" or smilar term] in Manhattan's West Village neighborhood. Until it rebranded in 2021, it was a lesbian venue. I'm sure we can refine the wording, but something of that general nature communicates that it's still open but no longer geared toward lesbians specifically. Armadillopteryx 20:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's more or less where I landed, Armadillopteryx. Something that indicates it's an operating establishment, that is queer-focused/friendly (or wherever we land) and the history can talk about its 1991-2014 life as a lesbian bar. Do you think that makes sense, Pyxis Solitary? I'm in agreement with you that it's no longer a lesbian bar, or even a bar in its current operation, but I think I'd read your edit as Henrietta Hudson is no longer operating. Star Mississippi 21:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If memory serves me right, there is a recent article where the owner says it will reopen as a "queer human space" or something like that. It would, therefore, be accurate to include "queer" identified in the lead, and "...was a venue for lesbians...." in the second sentence. I can see where "is a former lesbian bar" can be misread. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 08:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Pyxis Solitary, that was this article, and this which I didn't add as it didn't have as much editorial as interview and wasn't sure about how it met RS guidelines. I might have to go down to see what this space actually is. Right now it seems like a restaurant, which meh? I'm sure it's better but pandemic fatigue is wearing on everyone. Will have a go at the lede, let me know what you think. Star Mississippi 14:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gay City News is legit RS. Tagg Magazine has an editorial team, which means it has content oversight, and that makes it acceptable RS. It has been used as a source in several Wikipedia articles. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 10:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Pyxis Solitary:, knew Gay City News was completely fine and I use when applicable, it was Tagg I wasn't familiar with. Star Mississippi 14:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]