Talk:History of the Jews in Jordan

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Suggest add material from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victor_falk/Segregation_in_Jordan

I just added it and then saw it had been removed straight away. Dunno why as it seems to be directly relevant and sites good sources. I was in the process of adding updated info from the US state department about changing situation in Jordan so article ois better edited.

But if its going to turn into a stupid flame war I won't waste my time.

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Reposted here from User talk:IZAK:

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Please see the following articles that should now solve the problems we have been discussing:

• The
  History of the Jews in Arabia page is now the History of the Jews in Arabia (disambiguation)
  page (see it to understand the comprehensive nature of the solution and why it is necessary.
• A new main article is now History of the Jews in the Arabian Peninsula that summarizes the Jewish histories within and connected to the areas of all the present countries in the Arabian Peninsula.
• The History of the Jews in Saudi Arabia is now part of a set of nine articles that relate to the nine countries in the present day Arabian Peninsula, as follows:
  • History of the Jews in Iraq
  • History of the Jews in Jordan
  • History of the Jews in Bahrain
  • History of the Jews in Kuwait
  • History of the Jews in Oman
  • History of the Jews in Qatar
  • History of the Jews in Saudi Arabia
  • History of the Jews in the United Arab Emirates
  • Yemenite Jews

• The main category for all the above is now the new Category:History of the Jews in the Arabian Peninsula which is itself a sub-category of: Category:History of the Arabian peninsula, Category:Jewish history by region, Category:Jews and Judaism in Southwest Asia, Category:Judeo-Islamic topics

This took me a while to write, research and organize, but it was well worth the time and efforts I put into it to create clarity and avoid confusion from now on. Thank you very much, IZAK (talk) 13:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article claims, incorrectly, that no Jew can be a citizen of Jordan. Actually, the restriction on Jewish would-be citizens applies only to persons who possessed Palestinian nationality before 15 May 1948 and were regular residents resident in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan between 20 December 1949 and 16 February 1954. Aside from that, the Jordanian citizenship law provides for a naturalization procedure which does not place any restriction on Jews or any other religious group:

Any person other than a Jordanian who is not incapable by law may apply to the Council of Ministers for grant of a certificate of Jordanian naturalization if:

(1)He has been regularly resident in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan for a period of four years preceding the date of his application;

(2)He intends to reside in the Hashemite Kingdom of the Jordan.[1]

It is also false that no Jew can own land in Jordan.

Therefore, I suggest that both claims be removed from the article, which I'll do myself if no one objects.--Abenyosef (talk) 04:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see a more complete literature search first, references.. Could you address de jure versus de facto? If this is too much I would be happy to help out. I did read over your link that you included, and the restriction on Jewish would be citizens, even if only for that limited period, does raise a red flag. I won't change anything in article of course until the editors can flesh this out. aharon42 (talk) 11:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed text:

"The Jordanian 1954 law on nationality granted Jordanian citizenship to all persons that had possessed Palestinian nationality before 15 May 1948 and that were regular residents in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan between 20 December 1949 and 16 February 1954, except those who were Jewish.<ref name="Law6">{{cite web|url=http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3ae6b4ea13.html|title=Law No. 6 of 1954 on Nationality (last amended 1987)|publisher=National Legislative Bodies, [[Jordan]]|language=En.|accessdate=9 March 2011}}</ref>"

As Abenyosef noted correctly, this text misleadingly implies that Jews are prohibited from becoming citizens of Jordan. There is no such Jordanian law and, more to the wiki-point, the given source does not support it. It only excludes Jews who were Palestinian citizens and who lived in Jordan between 1949 and 1954. In other words it excluded approximately zero people. Also, use of a primary source like this violates

Can you cite any examples of Jews who have acquired a) Jordanian citizenship and/or b) land/property within Jordan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.165.94 (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You will find more information on this issue here: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2009/07/why-jews-cannot-become-citizens-of.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.173.151 (talk) 14:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking for an answer to this question. Since the article does not mention it, I assume there is not a single Jordanian Jew in Jordan at present time. -- Alexey Topol (talk) 08:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently there is no law against Jews becoming Jordanian citizens or acquiring land/property in Jordan (see above), therefore there are bound to be many Zionist Jews who, wishing to live in this part of the Land of Israel, have done both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.165.94 (talk) 19:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More here http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2009/07/why-jews-cannot-become-citizens-of.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.173.151 (talk) 15:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So far as I know, there have never been any Jews living in Jordan, or in Transjordan before it, back to the time of the creation of the Mandate. If there have been, this article does not refer to them. So why does the article exist? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 13:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am seeking specific references, because I have seen repeated claims that there were Jews living there at the beginning of the Mandate, (presumably there since Biblical times,) and that some time in 1922 or 1923 these approximately 400 Jewish families were expelled by the British and relocated to Cis-Jordan. I have personally met one individual who claimed to be a grandchild of these expellees. --Eliyahu S ^Talk 18:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When war broke out in 1948, the invasion was carried out by a country called Transjordan. It was renamed later. But just like we don't say that it was the USSR thta fought in WWI , but Russia, we're not going to say a 1949 creation invaded in MAy 1948 When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So? The paragraph also talks about later events in 1967 and 1973... And you violated 1RR. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:27, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So you could keep the section header as Jordan, but you can't say Jordan invaded in 1948, that sentence needs to say Transjordan. When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworded the offending section to clarify that Jordan was known as Transjordan in 1948. Was that so hard? clpo13_(talk) 22:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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