Talk:Jeannette Lee

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

London High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject London, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of London on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LondonWikipedia:WikiProject LondonTemplate:WikiProject LondonLondon-related articles High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Biography: Actors and Filmmakers This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles This article is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers (assessed as Low-importance). inactive .Punk musicWikipedia:WikiProject Punk musicTemplate:WikiProject Punk musicPunk music articles

A fact from Jeannette Lee appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 December 2007, and was viewed approximately 1,996 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Jeanette Lee managed both The Cranberries and Pulp while signing The Strokes and The Libertines to her Rough Trade label? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/December.

• Jeanette Lee played an important part in Acme Attractions, one of the birthplaces of punk
• Was part of
  PiL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esemono (talk • contribs) 08:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Co-ran a successful international record label, Rough Trade Records
• Managed and propelled to stardom both the
  Cranberries and Pulp
• Still runs Rough Trade which signed the
  Libertines

All in all very notable, removing the notable tag -- Esemono (talk) 08:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Having had a lot of jobs doesn't make someone notable. Band members are most often covered in band articles, not their own articles, and CEOs and the like of companies are generally covered at the company unless they are eminently personal notable themselves (Bill Gates). Few managers of any kind of their own articles and most of them are the managers of major sports teams, not bands. I would have to say that the Cranberries and Pulp propelled themselves to stardom, since bands are popular for their music, not their management. Being a retail clerk is not "playing an important part". If Rough Trade is still operational, then then article needs improvement to make this clearer, since it seemed to indicate that RT had crashed and burned twice, with Lee and her husband switching careers from running a record label to be being band management agents.

Anyway, I won't fight you on reversion of the notability tag, and I won't AfD this myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else did. It also needs a lot of cleanup to remove longwinded pointless quotations that do not appear to relate in anyway to the material allegedly being sourced by the cited references.

— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 02:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --03:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Y Done I've removed it from the article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the following statements:

• "The sleeve of Flowers of Romance credits her as a musician, though without specifying her role..."

• I'll have to wait until I can check my own copy, but I don't recall that the album credits anyone with a specific role (in fact, I'm not sure it lists any credit at all).

• "...it is thought she is the percussionist..."

• This statement cites a John Rockwell article as its source for this; Rockwell actually wrote: "Uncredited but apparently on some tracks (playing percussion?) is Jeannette Lee, who is now called a bandmember but whose function seems more managerial than musical." (link) He doesn't seem convinced and I don't think it supports the statement, as written.

I don't recall for sure (again, I'll have to check) but I don't believe that the Pascal Bussy book credits Lee with anything other than videography. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are no credits whatsoever on my copies of Flowers of Romance (U.S. LP and CD editions). Bussy's book mentions that she was in the studio during the sessions; Lee herself claimed that she was there for the mixing, and contributed to the music because she added to the clash of personalities. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am reading the discussion (link) between Lee and Don Letts. She does maintain that her role in the band was important, but she says herself on p. 16 that she did not actually play in the band (though she, Lydon and Levene pantomimed/lip-synched on Top of the Pops; there is a photo in Bussy's book). I think the entire portion about her role in PiL needs to be rewritten, and I'll try and make an attempt soon if no one beats me to it. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 12:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For that matter I'm not sure "Jeanette Lee (musician)" is the appropriate name for this article as she isn't a musician, per se. She plays a role in music but generally as a non-performer. I am not sure, though, what to use in place of "(musician)". -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing regarding the article name: the sources I've just checked spell the name "Jeannette" with 2 "n"-s. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. Given this and this I'm going to be

Jeannette Lee (Rough Trade). Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply

]

Done the move. Fixing the disambig I find that the other Jeannette Lee 1) isn't actually known as Jeannette Lee, and 2) is a wikipedia orphan. It's possible our Jeannette could lay claim to the name! I've made comments here.Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the BBC documentary: Do It Yourself - The Story of Rough Trade Jeannette Lee of Rough Trade says: "I was in Public Image". She doesn't say when it was, and whether this was as a musician or otherwise. My LP copy of Flowers of Romance lists only title, group and a tracklist on the back of the sleeve. The front photo could be Jeannette Lee. There is a white-on-black lyricsheet which is printed on one side only inside the sleeve. Erik-Jan Vens (talk) 17:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's well documented that she was in Public Image Ltd, but as the group's videographer, not as a performing musician (other than the aformentioned pantomiming). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080919103300/http://www.gracenote.com:80/search/artist.php?contributor_id=240 to http://www.gracenote.com/search/artist.php?contributor_id=240
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071230014410/http://www.pitchforkmedia.com:80/page/news/44396-rough-trade-bought-by-beggars-group to http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/44396-rough-trade-bought-by-beggars-group

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018.

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Jeannette Lee which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The former disambiguation page at