Talk:Kalief Browder

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http://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/episode-33-awkward-dog-banter-and-the-marxist-who-brought-us-hamilton/?popout=true

Unfortunately, the link is very poorly named, but the interview is in there. It starts at 27 mins 30 seconds. I hope the New Yorker never removes it.

Sorry I don't know how to add the footnote reference. Can someone can add it, perhaps with reference 4?

Thanks Nei1 (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While this page is classified as Stub-Class, there are additional details needed in order to inform those interested in the topic. Kalief Browder's case has been cited multiple times by high-profile advocates of criminal and prison reform, thus there should be consistent and plentiful information.

Inconsistent citation/detail and more detail

1. Browder's bail is cited by the first citation as $3,000 by The New Yorker:

″But, because Browder was still on probation, the judge ordered him to be held and set bail at three thousand dollars.″

However, The Huffington Post and WABC 7 New York cited later in the same paragraph state that bail was set at $10,000. These citations come after the $10,000 in the paragraph (and the first citation). It may be more useful to omit the first citation to avoid confusion and cite the $10,000

2. There are clear accounts of Browder's treatment and time spent in solitary confinement. ^[1]

By creating a separate section for mentions of Browder by the likes of former President Barack Obama and the documentaries below, we can expand the awareness of his posthumous story.

3. 2017 Oscar-nominated filmmaker Ava DuVernay shed light on Browder's story in her documentary 13th. ^[2]

4. Rapper Jay-Z has produced a documentary on Browder's life, which is set to air on March 1, 2017. ^[3]

Ujwalamurthy (talk) 19:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback from Taylor Ferguson regarding post:

Your post added a lot of insight into why his case became popular. It would be great to add some insight as to what reforms were put into place or what reforms were proposed. It would give more insight into what legacy this case had within society and politics. I made a couple of edits regarding repetitive in the use of Browder's name. TDFergus (talk) 04:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Spencer Tibbals' Review:

I agree with TDFergus' review of your edits. Your tone is encyclopedic and the content certainly helped to contextualize Kalief Browder's death in the discourse of the media as well as in politics. I think there is more to add, however. As someone who is from New York I remember the sizable outcry and subsequent protests that came as a result of his death. It certainly struck a dark chord with many people in the city. Thus I think it would be helpful to add sources about protests that came as a result and more commentary. As of now this article has commentary from Justice Kennedy, Obama, and a reference to the documentary The 13th. These are certainly well known sources. But I think that it would be beneficial to add more context to the general reaction that came as a result. Include instances of protest and other politician's reactions.

Here's a political reaction from Texas Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee for example: http://search.proquest.com.proxy.lib.umich.edu/docview/1709751176?pq-origsite=summon

Here's an example of the immediate effects seen in the NYC justice system, including Mayor Bill Deblasio's reactions and action, as well as action by local judges: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/kalief-browder-and-a-change-at-rikers

Additionally, it might be prudent to connect his death to the larger Black Lives Matter movement. His is a name consistently connected and cited in larger Black Lives Matter discourse, usually among other names like Eric Garner and Trayvon Martin. I think this would help to paint the larger importance of this man's life and death. Furthermore, Riker's Island jail complex has come under fire as a result of his death, but it's been criticized for years now. I remember when I was an intern at the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, Riker's Island was under government investigation. It may also be helpful to include more information on how his death once again brought Riker's Island into the view of public and political criticism. His death arguably not only sparked conversation and reform about solitary confinement, but it also sparked conversation about Riker's.

Overall, your additions have been quite helpful and important. I think that you should keep adding information about the context of his death. It may also be helpful to add more to Kennedy's mention of Browder and what the case actually achieved in the Supreme Court. This is a strong example of how his death had ripple effects all the way to the top of our country's political system. Also, in early life it may be helpful to add that Kalief took classes at Bronx Community College. It was only mentioned in the Obama quote. Stibbals (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To whoever changed his occupation from "Student" to "Unemployed" but has not made any other contribution to the page:

There are multiple sources that confirm that Browder was enrolled at Bronx Community College at the time of his death. Regardless of whether or not he was seeking work part-time or employed part-time, this does not take away from the fact that he was trying to earn an associate's degree after passing the G.E.D. That, for all intents and purposes, would make his occupation "student" and not "unemployed". Furthermore, there are sources in the references that show he was tutoring students for the G.E.D., working part-time handing out flyers on Wall Street, at varying times. There are even reports that a faculty member at the community college is lobbying the City University of New York to bestow a posthumous associate's degree in business.

Here are links showing that he was an enrolled student:

http://www.essence.com/2015/06/24/kalief-browder-essay-solitary-confinement-month-committing-suicide

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/kalief-browder-learned-how-to-commit-suicide-on-rikers

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2015/06/18/essay-death-kalief-browder-student-bronx-community-college

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/kalief-browder-solitary-confinement-research-paper_n_7646492.html

http://www.psc-cuny.org/clarion/february-2016/news-briefs

http://www.vibe.com/featured/kalief-browder-siblings-interview-spike-tv/

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyregion/kalief-browder-held-at-rikers-island-for-3-years-without-trial-commits-suicide.html

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/television/7709372/kalief-browder-story-part-one-key-points-spike-tv

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/18/kalief-browder-hanged-himself-after-jail-destroyed-him-then-a-broken-heart-killed-his-mother/

Ujwalamurthy (talk) 00:29, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What does "suicide murder" mean? Is that supposed to mean it's suicide, but essentially he was murdered by the justice system or something? If so, while I agree with that sentiment, should that be listed on an unbiased encyclopedia? Has it been legally determined that Kalief was "murdered" by suicide?

The citations need more sorting out. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]