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the other killing floor game

this video game is the official version of the original Killing Floor UT2k4 mod. Shouldn't they be merged? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.149.149 (talk) 06:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They should certainly mention eachother, but the mod and the game are 2 seperate beasts. I'd say they each deserve their own page. TopGunSF 03:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. While it's essentially the "same" game, the engine has been quite heavily modified, to the point where it's hard for the average player to even recognize it as Unreal 2.5. CaptainColon (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to add the Killing Floor allows the player to eat their own crap and dress in ladies' underwear. Unreal doesn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.229.249.59 (talk) 05:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Wiki Article Title?

Currently, the title "Killing Floor (Video Game)" is taken by the original UT2K4 mod. Since this is the official version, I propose that the mod's wiki page should be renamed to "Killing Floor (Unreal Tournament 2004 Mod)", or just "Killing Floor (Mod)", and give the "(Video Game)" page to the official version.

talk) 00:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Renamed game type

It is a computer game, not a video game. Have to play it over steam only.

Majinsnake (talk) 01:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)majinsnake[reply]

Majinsnake, first of all, a computer game is a video game. Second of all, you are breaking links. Notice how they all turned red? -

talk) 04:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Video games are played on a video game console. Computer games are played on a computer. Alot of people fail to realize that. There is a difference. Then why do people still classify them together? Because those same people thought why not just put them together since their is so much hassle. Any game played on whatever system/console will always be referred as the system it is played on. Computer/Computer game, Video or video console/Video game. If a computer game is a computer game, why not call it a Computer video game. I know you are seeing my reason even if not considered right on wiki. Sorry about the links, been a while since i update. Majinsnake (talk) 06:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)majinsnake[reply]

No there's not. I don't know why you think there is a difference. A computer game is a video game specifically played on the home computer platform. Seriously, just look it up if you don't believe me. —

talk) 08:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply

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(video games) A style of game existing as and controlled by software, usually run by a video game console or a computer, and played on a video terminal or television screen. Controlled by a controller, paddle, joystick, mouse, cursor keys or a combination of any of these input devices.

Wiktionary.com

An electronic or computerized game played by manipulating images on a video display or television screen.

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any of various games played using a microcomputer with a keyboard and often joysticks to manipulate changes or respond to the action or questions on the screen.

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an electronic game played by means of images on a video screen and often emphasizing fast action

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Comparisons between Left 4 Dead and Killing Floor

Does this really belong in the article? All it has for examples are two types of infected that are only descriptively similiar to each other. The developers of the game themselves say the two should not be compared, so thereby I find it unneeded. 98.218.81.113 (talk) 02:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's the very reason it should be there. If people look up this game on Wikipedia because they want to consider buying it, but don't just want an "L4D rip-off" (which is inaccurate, but most people will not know that), they should see the explanation that they are two different games.

talk) 04:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Wikipedia isn't a catalog magazine, it's a free source encyclopedia. The description and summary of the game itself should suffice in informing the reader that it is a standalone game. And it couldn't be confused as a Left 4 Dead rip-off as it was an original mod for the Unreal Engine right around the time production had originally started for Left 4 Dead. 98.218.81.113 (talk) 02:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even though it's completely untrue, it definitely could be and will be confused as a Left 4 Dead rip-off, since the original Killing Floor was just a mod that wasn't easily accessible and widely advertised as Left 4 Dead. Although, you do make a good point, so I am unopposed to the section's removal. —

talk) 05:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Here is what was removed:

===Comparisons to Left 4 Dead===

Even though Killing Floor was released as a

total conversion mod for Unreal Tournament 2004 three years before Valve Corporation's Left 4 Dead, another survival horror first-person shooter

, the retail version of the game, being released relatively close to Left 4 Dead, has drawn some inevitable comparisons. The Killing Floor developers have stated that the two games are very different.

I would say simply that they should not be compared. Comparing Killing Floor with Left 4 Dead would be like comparing James Bond's Lotus Esprit to the latest racing car, it shouldn't be done. They are two separate products and great at what they are intended to be. Killing Floor is all about atmosphere, tension and great cooperative fights against hordes of Specimens that would like nothing better than to rip you to shreds.
— Myles Lambert, GT Q&A: Tripwire's Killing Floor,
FileFront

Removed: 07:46, 14 June 2009 by 98.218.81.113.

talk) 21:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Edit Wars

Guys, come on, keep up the edit wars! This article was starting to get really boring. —

talk) 00:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Two reverts from two users doesn't really constitute an edit war (don't think so anyway!). I'd discuss more controversial changes on the talk page, but removing the perks was per

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Perk summaries

why was this entire convenient, informative and concise section on perks removed? 82.10.96.138 (talk) 18:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See the edit summaries (

™ 18:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply

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Here is the Perks information that was removed from the main page [1]:

Perks

Lv 0

Lv 1

Lv 2

Lv 3

Lv 4

Lv 5

Field Medic

10% faster Syringe recharge
10% more potent medical injections
10% less damage from Bloat bile
10% discount on Body Armor

25% faster Syringe recharge
25% more potent medical injections
25% less damage from Bloat bile
10% better Body Armor
20% discount on Body Armor

**Requirements**
Heal 200hp on your team mates

50% faster Syringe recharge
25% more potent medical injections
50% less damage from Bloat Bile
5% faster movement speed
20% better Body Armor
30% discount on Body Armor

**Requirements**
Heal 1,000hp on your team mates

75% faster Syringe recharge
50% more potent medical injections
50% less damage from Bloat Bile
10% faster movement speed
30% better Body Armor
40% discount on Body Armor

**Requirements**
Heal 4,000hp on your team mates

100% faster Syringe recharge
50% more potent medical injections
50% less damage from Bloat Bile
20% faster movement speed
40% better Body Armor
50% discount on Body Armor

**Requirements**
Heal 12,000hp on your team mates

150% faster Syringe recharge
50% more potent medical injections
75% less damage from Bloat Bile
30% faster movement speed
50% better Body Armor
60% discount on Body Armor
Spawn with body Armor

**Requirements**
Heal 25,000hp on your team mates

Support Specialist

10% more damage with Shotguns
10% better Shotgun penetration
10% faster welding/unwelding
10% discount on shotguns

10% more damage with Shotguns
20% better Shotgun penetration
10% extra Shotgun ammo
5% more damage with Grenades
20% increase in Grenade capacity
15% increased carry weight
25% faster welding/unwelding
20% discount on shotguns

**Requirements**
Weld 2,000 door hit points Deal 25,000 damage with shotguns

20% more damage with Shotguns
40% better Shotgun penetration
20% extra Shotgun ammo
10% more damage with Grenades
40% increase in Grenade capacity
20% increased carry weight
50% faster welding/unwelding
30% discount on shotguns

**Requirements**
Weld 7,000 door hit points Deal 100,000 damage with shotguns

30% more damage with Shotguns
60% better Shotgun penetration
25% extra Shotgun ammo
20% more damage with Grenades
60% increase in Grenade capacity
25% increased carry weight
75% faster welding/unwelding
40% discount on shotguns

**Requirements**
Weld 35,000 door hit points Deal 500,000 damage with shotguns

40% more damage with Shotguns
80% better Shotgun penetration
25% extra Shotgun ammo
30% more damage with Grenades
80% increase in Grenade capacity
30% increased carry weight
100% faster welding/unwelding
50% discount on shotguns

**Requirements**
Weld 120,000 door hit points Deal 1,500,000 damage with shotguns

50% more damage with Shotguns
100% better Shotgun penetration
25% extra Shotgun ammo
40% more damage with Grenades
100% increase in Grenade capacity
50% increased carry weight
150% faster welding/unwelding
60% discount on shotguns
Spawn with shotgun

**Requirements**
Weld 250,000 door hit points Deal 3,500,000 damage with shotguns

Sharpshooter

5% more damage with Handcannon, Rifle, and Crossbow
5% extra headshot damage with all weapons
10% discount on Handcannon

10% more damage with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
25% less recoil with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
10% faster reload with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
10% extra headshot damage
20% discount on Handcannon

**Requirements**
Get 30 headshot kills with the Handcannon, Rifle, or Crossbow

15% more damage with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
50% less recoil with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
20% faster reload with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
20% extra headshot damage
30% discount on Handcannon

**Requirements**
Get 100 headshot kills with the Handcannon, Rifle, or Crossbow

20% more damage with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
75% less recoil with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
30% faster reload with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
30% extra headshot damage
40% discount on Handcannon

**Requirements**
Get 700 headshot kills with the Handcannon, Rifle, or Crossbow

30% more damage with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
75% less recoil with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
40% faster reload with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
40% extra headshot damage
50% discount on Handcannon

**Requirements**
Get 2,500 headshot kills with the Handcannon, Rifle, or Crossbow

50% more damage with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
75% less recoil with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
50% faster reload with Handcannon, Rifle and Crossbow
50% extra headshot damage
60% discount on Handcannon
Spawn with dual handcannons

**Requirements**
Get 5,500 headshot kills with the Handcannon, Rifle, or Crossbow

Commando

5% more damage with Bullpup
5% less recoil with Bullpup
10% discount on Bullpup
Can see cloaked Stalkers from 4 meters

10% more damage with Bullpup
10% less recoil with Bullpup
5% faster reload with all weapons
20% discount on Bullpup
Can see cloaked Stalkers from 8m
Can see enemy health from 4m

**Requirements**
Kill 30 Stalkers Deal 25,000 damage with the Bullpup

20% more damage with Bullpup
15% less recoil with Bullpup
5% faster reload with all weapons
30% discount on Bullpup
Can see cloaked Stalkers from 10m
Can see enemy health from 7m

**Requirements**
Kill 100 Stalkers Deal 100,000 damage with the Bullpup

30% more damage with Bullpup
20% less recoil with Bullpup
10% faster reload with all weapons
40% discount on Bullpup
Can see cloaked Stalkers from 12m
Can see enemy health from 10m
ZEDtime can be extended by killing an enemy while in slow motion

**Requirements**
Kill 600 Stalkers Deal 500,000 damage with the Bullpup

40% more damage with Bullpup
30% less recoil with Bullpup
15% faster reload with all weapons
50% discount on Bullpup
Can see cloaked Stalkers from 14m
Can see enemy health from 13m
Up to 2 ZEDtime extensions

**Requirements**
Kill 2,000 Stalkers Deal 1,500,000 damage with the Bullpup

50% more damage with Bullpup
30% less recoil with Bullpup
20% faster reload with all weapons
60% discount on Bullpup
Can see cloaked Stalkers from 16m
Can see enemy health from 16m
Up to 3 ZEDtime extensions

**Requirements**
Kill 4,000 Stalkers Deal 3,500,000 damage with the Bullpup

Berserker

10% extra melee damage
10% less damage from Bloat bile
10% discount on Chainsaw
Can't be grabbed by Clots

20% extra melee damage
5% faster melee attacks
15% faster melee movement
25% less damage from Bloat Bile
5% resistance to all damage
20% discount on Chainsaw
Can't be grabbed by Clots

**Requirements**
Deal 25,000 damage with melee weapons

40% extra melee damage
10% faster melee attacks
15% faster melee movement
35% less damage from Bloat Bile
10% resistance to all damage
30% discount on Chainsaw
Can't be grabbed by Clots
ZEDtime can be extended by killing an enemy while in slow motion

**Requirements**
Deal 100,000 damage with melee weapons

60% extra melee damage
10% faster melee attacks
15% faster melee movement
50% less damage from Bloat Bile
15% resistance to all damage
40% discount on Chainsaw
Can't be grabbed by Clots
Up to 2 ZEDtime extensions

**Requirements**
Deal 500,000 damage with melee weapons

80% extra melee damage
15% faster melee attacks
15% faster melee movement
65% less damage from Bloat Bile
15% resistance to all damage
50% discount on Chainsaw
Can't be grabbed by Clots
up to 3 Zed-Time extensions

**Requirements**
Deal 1,500,000 damage with melee weapons

100% extra melee damage
20% faster melee attacks
15% faster melee movement
75% less damage from Bloat Bile
20% resistance to all damage
60% discount on Chainsaw
Can't be grabbed by Clots
Up to 4 ZEDtime extensions

**Requirements**
Deal 3,500,000 damage with melee weapons

Firebug

5% extra Flamethrower damage
50% resistance to fire
10% discount on Flamethrower

10% extra Flamethrower damage
60% resistance to fire
20% discount on Flamethrower

**Requirements**
Deal 25,000 damage with the Flamethrower

20% extra Flamethrower damage
70% resistance to fire
30% discount on the Flamethrower

**Requirements**
Deal 100,000 damage with the Flamethrower

30% extra Flamethrower damage
80% resistance to fire
50% extra flamethrower range
Grenades set enemies on fire
40% discount on the Flamethrower

**Requirements**
Deal 500,000 damage with the Flamethrower

40% extra Flamethrower damage
90% resistance to fire
50% extra flamethrower range
Grenades set enemies on fire
50% discount on the Flamethrower

**Requirements**
Deal 1,500,000 damage with the Flamethrower

50% extra Flamethrower damage
100% resistance to fire
100% extra flamethrower range
Grenades set enemies on fire
60% discount on the Flamethrower
Spawn with flamethrower

**Requirements**
Deal 3,500,000 damage with the Flamethrower

talk) 21:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply

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I added a little block of text giving a vague summary(sorry, was out of time, please edit it to improve), and I think that the perks should be explained in depth in the article.Timur Amir (talk)Timur Amir —Preceding undated comment added 16:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]

"In depth"? Not really something that should be detailed in a Wikipedia article. Per

WP:GAMEGUIDE, only brief descriptions should be used. DP76764 (Talk) 17:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Money Train

There should be a mention of the ultimate objective of the game, the killing of the specimens being only a means to acquire the finances to sustain an end game money train. Kernel Corn (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

you think so huh

talk) 23:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply

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The actual objective is to get through all of the waves of 'Specimens' and defeat the 'Patriarch' (The boss), the money is to buy the weapons and the equipment to complete the objective.Yousou (talk) 20:56, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SDK

I added a small SDK section of the article.Ithae (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DLC

Many other articles one Wikipedia cover large content releases in much the same way as the article had been written. Examples of this are recent iterations of Call of Duty, with pages covering "map packs" and

Fallout New Vegas

, with the page covering all downloadable content releases. That said, have you even read WP:Gameguide? Because if you had, you'd have seen this has nothing - at all - to do with covering content releases for games. For this reason, i'm reverting it back to how it was. -Evaristé93 19:21, 18 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evaristé93 (talk • contribs)

Video game guides. An article about a
talk) 05:18, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply
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The paragraph you quoted says nothing about DLCs, as they are not gameplay weapons, items, concepts, etc. Unlike what's generally considered gamecruft, DLCs are extensively covered in press releases and news articles by reliable sources. Some mention of the DLCs is warranted, but since Killing Floor's are relatively small, we don't need a subsection for each one. —LOL ^T/_C 17:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Are you kidding me? What's in these DLCs? New weapons, maps, and costumes. How does this not fall under that category? Just because the specific term "DLC" is not used? And besides, noteworthy DLC generally adds substantial content to the game's main story line, or otherwise significantly modify the gameplay. Obviously, DLC for a game like Fallout 3 is noteworthy, as it significantly supplement's the game's story line. One of Mass Effect's DLC added a multiplayer component to a game that was otherwise single-player. A few new weapons, maps, and costumes do not change the game substantially enough to be noteworthy. –
talk) 06:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Are you kidding me? A DLC is not a weapon, nor a map, nor a costume; it's an add-on officially released by the developers and covered by reliable publications. What's featured in it doesn't matter because mentioning a DLC doesn't entail writing a detailed list of its contents. Each of Left 4 Dead 2's DLCs so far added just three new maps, but the article would definitely be incomplete if it lacked any mention of those highly publicized releases. Furthermore, if we were to determine the inclusion of a DLC based on our perception of what's "significant", then there would have to be a great discussion over where to draw the line between "significant" and "insignificant", especially with the abundance of DLCs nowadays. —LOL ^T/_C 20:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Jesus Christ, look, I'm not interested in arguing semantics, especially over a general term that encompasses such a ridiculously wide array of content. I took it out precisely because
talk) 03:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Oh, Jesus Christ, look, you can't stretch the term "video game guide" to encompass something that does not belong in any of the 11 categories listed in
WP:AFD before establishing notability guidelines—so again, there would have to be a great discussion over where to draw the line between "significant" and "insignificant" if you're going to play that card. I already stated above that the DLCs didn't each deserve their own subsection, and mainspace articles never use level 1 headings anyway (with the exception of the article title). The significance of a DLC is clearly ambiguous if you're going to call Left 4 Dead 2's significant based on the removal of one character from another game, and then call Killing Floor's insignificant when 20+ new characters have been added since the game's release. These aren't difficult concepts. —LOL ^T/_C 00:54, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply
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The term "DLC" cannot be fit into any of those categories, since it can be additional story campaigns, extra characters, extra character skins, new weapons, new maps, bug fixes, entirely new game modes or other additions that radically alter the game, and many other things. The list in
talk) 05:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply
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Showing that the paragraph you quoted doesn't apply to DLCs does not mean I believe all DLCs belong. The fact that
WP:VGSCOPE
is only a guide is yet another reason you can't use it to further your position. In the absence of guidance on DLCs, find a larger forum to discuss the significance of DLCs. Many of the arguments regarding one game's DLCs can be applied to so many others, so adopting the case-by-case approach and having a myriad of similar, independent discussions over a large number of articles will waste time while producing inconsistencies and double standards within Wikipedia. Use your head here.

Besides appearance, the characters of Left 4 Dead 2 are only distinguished by their voice actors, random conversations, and backgrounds (Killing Floor has profiles for each character too, by the way). Equating the deaths of L4D characters to those of movie characters makes me wonder if you've even played Left 4 Dead because anybody can go through the vanilla game, start to finish, with Bill kicked from the server at the very first saferoom like nothing happened. How many films are the same without their protagonist? The tie-in with the comic is nice and all, but I don't agree that it draws the line between the removal of Killing Floor's DLCs and inclusion of L4D's. Now that you're making jokes about the brain cells I can muster (ironically), I don't think I'll be taking our discussion seriously anymore. Evaristé will most likely support the additions I will be making to the article in the future, so if you have any problems with it, then I suggest bringing it to a larger forum as I mentioned before. —LOL ^T/C 05:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was already a week and a half ago that i made that edit. "[...]I took it out precisely because Evaristé93 wrote a detailed list of their contents." And what exactly should i have written about? Granted, it was monotonous the way i'd written it, simply listing the contents of each pack, but i'd left an expansion tag on it because i'd hoped to return and expand upon it and have other users do the same. The choice of header for each DLC pack was used based on what i'd seen in other articles, though it looks like i shouldn't have used a separate header for each. "And none of them are very significant additions to the game." What? How are they not significant additions? Each and every one of them has made a very significant change to the game. I feel that each pack deserves its contents listed and its release date considering how much the content packs have affected the game; giving them their own header was clearly a little over the top. (Also, any ideas as to why my name isn't being hyperlinked when i do the usual dash with four tildes? It just comes up as a normal-text timestamp, and then gets autocorrected by a bot)-Evaristé93 15:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evaristé93 (talk • contribs)

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