Talk:Lili Kraus

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After the war, she was granted New Zealand (then also British) citizenship.

What does the bracketed bit mean? I strongly suspect NZ followed Australia's lead on citizenship. In Oz, there was no such thing as Australian citizenship till 26 January 1949. Up till then, Australians were British subjects - but not British citizens. I'd be very surprised indeed if NZ citizenship automatically conferred British citizenship. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 11:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand nationality law tells me that New Zealand citizenship was created on 1 January 1949. Prior to that, New Zealanders were British subjects. So, if Lili Kraus became a naturalised New Zealander before 1949, she became a British subject first, and then on 1.1.1949 she became a NZ citizen. If the naturalisation occurred on or after 1 January 1949, she became a New Zealand citizen outright and was never a British subject. We need a date so we can work out what her status was at various times. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 05:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of all the musicians I can think of, very few have had as many different dates of birth appear in different sources as poor Lili Kraus. Yet we say not one word about this, and give one date as if it and it alone is the unqualified gospel truth. [1] is very revealing, and seems to support 3 April 1905 as the correct date, not 1903, and not 4 March in any year. We need to be saying something about the disparity between sources. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 11:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you actually do go to the German Wikipedia article (or the accurate English version of it which appear on the Bach Cantatas website, which for all I know may be its source, you are confronted with a completely different account of her very early training and career - so much so that the English language version of it (if, as implied by the note, it is an edited translation)isn't a very good job. Even the account of her wartime experience takes place in a different (and to be honest, far more credible) location. Interestingly the very dubious biography given by that pillar of accuracy the (German) Membran/Documents label on their latest CD box follows the English language Wikipedia version not the German one.Delahays (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)Delahays (talk) 11:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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