Talk:Los Angeles FC

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles FC → LAFC – It's the official name. Los Angeles FC isn't commonly used (Except perhaps by echoing the current Wikipedia page name). Reference: original MLS announcement, team's website, Google searches narrowed to site:lafc.com. Also see below for links to documents of their legal entity name (LAFC SPORTS). Yurmix (talk) 06:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Official legal entity name: LAFC Sports LLC / LAFC Sports Foundation. References: MAJOR LEAGUE SOCCER, LLC filing, LAFC SPORTS FOUNDATION entity details.
• Other name options: Another option is Los Angeles Football Club which is also a valid name, although less commonly used. It is on the club's logo and usually being used as an alternative name. You will find it in use on the MLS website but less often on the club's own website and their other media channels (Twitter, etc). I like this option less due to its length.

Yurmix (talk) 06:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose We use the official names for all other teams. For instance, Arsenal F.C. rather than simply Arsenal, Real Madrid CF rather than Real Madrid, Paris Saint-Germain F.C. rather than Paris Saint-Germain or PSG. I could continue, but based on the previous move requests, I think we have a consensus that this is the correct target for the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forgot this: legal entities are also not usually used for club names so appealing to what name they used for their corporate filing would set an unusual precedent. Many modern clubs have a legal, corporate entity and the clubs are not known by those names. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Walter Görlitz. Acronyms and nicknames are not used here on Wikipedia as article titles. Ben5218 (talk) 15:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 16:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as above. Ludicrous nomination. GiantSnowman 16:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per above. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:37, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Snowclose per above. No chance this passes. O.N.R. ^(talk) 04:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support:

1. In the MLS's list of clubs there are 10 clubs with FC in their name and LAFC isn't one of them.
2. Similar case to FIFA, the acronym is associated with the subject. I refer you to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Acronyms_in_page_titles.
3. More references to the Official Name: club's mail address, The 2015 offical MLS announcement as Los Angeles Football Club, not Los Angeles FC - unlike other MLS clubs, i.e. Toronto FC.
4. One could argue for the long term (Los Angeles Football Club) but wouldn't it be too long, and contradictory to almost all offical material on the club's website? (lafc.com).
5. The name mispell is eye scorching to anyone closely farmiliar with the club, probably why this discussion arose 3 time by different people. Yurmix (talk) 10:07, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• • Your argument is that it should be Los Angeles Football Club, but you have supported a proposal to move it to LAFC, which you argue against in your first point. We do not use "official names" but
    WP:COMMONNAMEs for article location. I think you're quite confused by the whole process. We have been shown what the media refer to it as. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Oppose Britannica uses "Los Angeles Football Club" and while we generally use just "FC" we shouldn't generally abbreviate the rest of the name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• It seems there is a strong concensus against this rename. I don't mind if you close this discussion. I will thoroughly study
  WP:AT before making a request for Los Angeles Football Club. Thank you for this lesson. Yurmix (talk) 02:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
  ]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. In a result sure to make no one happy, there was no consensus about what the common name even is, let alone whether to follow it or not. Sources actually seem to prefer LAFC, a title that wasn't initially proposed. If people want to move the article there, my strong suggestion is a new requested move. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles FC → Los Angeles Football Club – Three reasons:

1. It is the club name according the MLS Clubs official page.
2. Ten other clubs (1/3 of the league) has FC in their name in MLS Clubs - not Los Angeles Football Club.
3. WP:CRITERIA: It is the recognized name (as described in #1); More natural (as described in #2); Precise given there is a better known rival named LA Galaxy
   .

Yurmix (talk) 09:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Oppose It seems clear that the club wants to rebrand as such, as it is not known as such in any sports media: http://insider.espn.com/soccer/team/_/id/18966/lafc https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/mls/standings (and https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/mls/event/colorado-rapids-los-angeles-los-angeles-fc-20220226?event_id=184903 etc) https://uk.soccerway.com/teams/united-states/los-angeles-fc/41871/ https://apnews.com/article/soccer-sports-colorado-los-angeles-international-soccer-a757cfe5ac806ac2606ae60f963a7739 https://www.foxsports.com/soccer/los-angeles-fc-lafc-team-roster https://bleacherreport.com/los-angeles-fc Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the record, the
    LA Rams are Los Angeles' football club. LAFC is one of their soccer clubs. It's all marketing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • I don't agree that the club is rebrainding, It has always been LAFC / Los Angeles Football Club since the [club's beginning]. Regarding the evidence you present, ESPN (The leading US sports website) does show LAFC. It is on par with my knowledge on the team (as a club member since 2017). Please help me fix this mistake and battle Reliability_of_Wikipedia#Information_loop. Yurmix (talk) 19:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose move. Their common name is Los Angeles FC. O.N.R. ^(talk) 19:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Los Angeles FC is not the common name. As per
    WP:COMMONNAME: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used. The most commonly used name is LAFC, which is the acronym for Los Angeles Football Club, which is the second most used common name for the club. I almost never see "Los Angeles FC" in article (it's a bit common in standings tables, which might be Information loop issue). Yurmix (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Support

1. It is the
   WP:COMMONNAME. google-search for LAFC/Los Angeles Football club returns 6,540,000 matches while the opposite search
   returns just 8.
2. WP:CRITERIA: It is the recognizable (aka common name), more precise (MLS Clubs list, [lafc.com/club club website]) and given confusion with LA Galaxy
   .

Yurmix (talk) 19:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per
  WP:COMMONNAME. BilledMammal (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support. It does appear to be the most common name. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does it? Where are links to support the claim. The club and league use it. Who else uses it? Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:21, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about the Los Angeles Times? Not one article here in Google Search of LA Times articles on the club uses Los Angeles FC. Yurmix (talk) 07:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 15:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - it is 'Los Angeles FC' at commonly used sites such as Soccerway, NFT, World Football etc. The fact that MLS is consistent in which version they use does not matter. This is the COMMONNAME. GiantSnowman 15:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - It will align with Spanish Wikipedia page[3], and the Club's as well as MLS official releases [4][5] AbeOps 09:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. No evidence for common name in spite of many claims. The new official name is of course immediately common in primary sources, and some think this should make a difference, but I do not. It is completely contrary to the long established principles of
  WP:AT. Andrewa (talk) 10:45, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose Can't see any evidence "Los Angeles Football Club" is the common name. A Google News search doesn't bring up any source which uses it. On the other hand a search for "Los Angeles FC" brings up quite a few ([6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]). LAFC seems even more a common name, but I'm unsure of policy regarding using acronyms as the article title. --SuperJew (talk) 06:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The majority of the Google News results, by far, are for LAFC. That is by far the most use pronounce. However when I suggested it back in January, the push back was based on Los Angeles Football Club being the common name. So which way is it? Also, no body uses Los Angeles FC in article bodies, this is pure metadata (Where do news take their metadata? Wikipedia!). If you check searches for "Los Angeles FC" without LAFC, it is strikingly low at 8 results. Also, the most relevant news orgs for the region are probably LA Times and ESPN. They don't use the "FC" suffix. Also does MLS league website - 10 other teams show "FC" suffix but not LAFC. Yurmix (talk)
    • I only see one for the long form in January, so no change since then. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Perhaps you can help me understand of Los Angeles FC is the common name, while no one is using that? Clearly, almost all the editors responding in this debate (and the last) know something that I don't, but I'd really (sincerely) appreciate to know what that is.
      • I'm asking since based on my high consumption of news articles and video coverage of the club in the past 5 years, I have never came across anyone uses the term "Los Angeles FC", except for occasionally metadata and article headers. In article body and in live coverage it is 80% of the time "LAFC" and the other 20% it is "Los Angeles Football Club". (I have brought numerous links to prove this so I'll skip that part here). Yurmix (talk) 23:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • For the same reason that Manchester United F.C. is the common name, but it is usually called Man U or just Manchester United, and some call it Manchester United Football Club. For the same reason that Manchester City F.C. is the common name, but it is most frequently called only City, Man City, MCFC, etc. It has to do with how association football club articles are named on Wikipedia. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  BBC does use the full version to be fair... GiantSnowman 09:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support move from
  LAFC is a PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article. —В²C ☎ 15:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
  ]