Talk:Louis II of Hungary

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Preface: I've never written on a talk page before, since this is the first article that I've found that's clearly in need of improvement, while not knowing enough about Hungarian history to correct it. I thought I'd post here before tagging. This article contains many statements without adequate citation, and many of them proclaim judgments or are otherwise subject to opinion.

For example: "This event hastened the fall of Hungary." Under Reign, par 3, sen 3. Major statement without citation. "Hungary was in a state of near anarchy under the magnates' rule in 1520...." all of par 4. There are no cites, for 1) Finances in shambles 2) Borrowing 1/3 national income 3) Border guard status 4) Why revenue increases were "stifled" For Par 5, nothing is cited. "Louis failed to coordinate and gather his forces" according to whom? "At the same time, Hungary was unable to get assistance from other European states, which Louis had hoped for." No mention or citation of embassies he launched, who did he expect to get help from? etc etc Par 6 "Louis made a tactical error when he tried to stop the Ottoman army in an open field battle with a medieval army, insufficient firearms, and obsolete tactics." Opinion without citation. There is a citation from the Battle of Mohacs page for "The Battle of Mohacs: The Fall of the Hungarian Empire, by Richard H. Berg, published in Against the Odds, Volume 3, Number 1, September 2004" with reference to the obsolescence of the army deployed at Mohacs, but no description of tactical error. Ncfoley (talk) 04:42, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I am assuming, considering your broken formatting, that you have a problem with the statement, "He had no legitimate issue". Do you have a reliable source indicating he did? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Born prematurely in Buda on 1 July 1506, the court doctors kept him alive by slaying animals and wrapping him in their warm carcasses as a primitive incubator.^[1]

• primitive incubator

You have read what the source states correct?

• "Althought the baby Louis was born prematurely and spent his first days in an incubator made of the carcases of freshly slain pigs..." -- Customary Law in Hungary: Courts, Texts, and the Tripartitum, Martyn Rady, page 76.

He was the only son of

• "And indeed Vladislav Jagiello and his wife Anne de Foix, countess of Candale, had a son, Louis, who was born in 1506." -- Dracula, Matei Cazacu, page 204. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vladislaus II took steps to ensure a smooth succession by arranging for the boy to be crowned in his own lifetime; the coronation of Louis as

Dhsert (talk) 20:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dhsert (talk) 20:05, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The death of King Lajos is very interesting but only briefly mentioned. He drowned in the Csele Stream. Some accounts say that István Aczél tried to save Lajos but also drowned.

Yes - the accepted story is that he drowned there but that could have been a fabrication. This story is based on a report by Ullrich Czettritz (Citrich) von Neuhaus, of a noble Silesian family, the royal chamberlain, and close friend of Queen Mary, who rode behind Lajos. Czettritz claims that as Lajos fell into the water, his horse fell on top of him and crushed him to death.   If Czettritz was there, why didn't he help the king? fThere are rumours that Czettritz was the queen's secret lover and may have done her bidding.

Some stories claim that György Zápolya killed the king for the benefit of his brother János Zápolya but these stories might be the result of self-serving Habsburg propaganda.

These conspiracy theories provide an interesting insight into the politics of the time.

It should be noted that even though the army was destroyed - that was not the downfall of the kingdom. It was the death of the king and the ensuing civil war that destroyed Hungary.

The primary source of information about the search for the king’s corpse is a report by Ferenc Sárfői, the dean of Rábaköz and provisor of Győr. Sárfői joined the search group and, on 19 October 1526, sent a letter to Chancellor Istvan Brodaric providing a report of events. Details of the identification of the royal corpse are well know from a copy of Sárfői’s letter, a copy of which had been preserved in Poland. Unfortunately, the original letter is missing and the first translation was based on another copy that was not a true copy, and the translator made some mistakes.

Ovo.Je.Istina (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]