Talk:Mu'in al-Din Parwana

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Claude Cahen in his Pre-Ottoman Turkey says the pervāne Mu’īn al-Dīn married Kaykhusraw's widow (p.204). He refers to her as Georgian but uses neither the name Tamar or Gürcü Hatun.

Cahen also writes of the origin of the title pervāne, suggesting that it is related to a functionary in Mongol Iran called pervāneji. The original role of the pervāne among the Seljuqs of Rūm was to carry personal messages and distribute favors (p. 221-222). I know that pervane means “propeller” of “flywheel” in Turkish. I have always seen the title translated as “butterfly.” Aramgar 14:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See for translations of pervane. Pervane (Today!!! if we dont use mechanically, let say for a people;) means a small moth/butterfly -especially a specific one which goes around light at night. Propeller was not invented at that time. Regards.Must.^{T C} 14:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But that would mean "prevane" is the title of an office, not a personal name. Which would confirm what I have read, where various individuals in Turkish Anatolia in the 13th-15th centuries. I'm inclined to have this article moved to

Mu‘in al-Din Suleyman. -- llywrch (talk) 23:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply

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We can change the name to Pervane by the way, Beylik of Pervane for example, instead of Pervâneoğlu if it's too Turkish. It'll help for the google hits also. Regards. Cretanforever 15:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to develop this article as a biography of Pervane Mu‘in al-Din Suleyman rather than as a history of his short-lived dynasty. The Pervane was the most powerful figure in Anatolia during the second half of the 13th century and should have his own article. To this end I would like to make the following changes: 1. create an article for the

In the interest of preserving the integrity of the lists at both

Sâhipataoğlu about the short-lived principality will need to be created. I will fix all the links. Please give me a couple of days. Aramgar (talk) 17:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply

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