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Stettin is the English language name of the city

This article should be renamed to "Stettin". While I'm aware and respect that today it's a Polish city, the usual conventions of the English language should be the norm here. We don't call the city of Prague "Praha" here either, and Munich is not "München" in the article's name. Despite, no English tongue can even pronounce "Szczecin" without sounding like a goof. Please respect that a move of this page will be necessary. Cheers Horst-schlaemma (talk) 11:11, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this another "Germanisation" of a Polish city?! -
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I won't get into such arguments. I'm myself German, but I neither demand getting the city back nor anything related. It just needs to be stated that the relevant English language name of the city is Stettin, as professional literature refers to it. That's all. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 21:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No it isn't. -ProhibitOnions (T) 22:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, seems like a convincing and legit argument. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
BS all over along. Szczecin is the name of the city. All the other wrong names are to be used in historical contexts at most, certainly not in 2014. If one is not able to pronounce it correctly, who cares? I bet not many non English speakers are able to pronounce Albuquerque, but we don't call for its renaming. --82.53.25.176 (talk) 15:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do hope that the Poles return the favour and call of our cities and our country its native name, rather than their own Polish words for them. Either we are all allowed to call ALL towns and countries our own names, or we scrap the lot and refer to them all in their native tongue... not this picking and choosing nonsense that only the English language seems to abide by. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.198.23 (talk) 12:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is exactly what these people are advocating on the German Wikipedia. Articles about glorious cities tied to Germany should keep already existing names due to "professional literature", yet you don't provide any sources. On the German Wikipedia you would always argue it was a German name, now, on the English Wikipedia you claim it's an English name despite your unfamiliarity with the usage of certains terms in English. How can you know that a name common in German is also used in English? Someone already pointed out that it's not the case in English, and what was your response? "It's not a convincing and legit argument." This isn't about arguments, it's about facts. ProhibitOnions was probably to tired too explain this matter to a horst (name with bad reputation in Germany) like you. It's as trivial as discussing if the Earth was round. According to some, even Oświęcim should be renamed to Auschwitz. That's just outrageous! Most of times, they aren't even native German names, but names formerly used in Europe. They just fell out of use in other countries. Germans need to catch up and modernize their way of thinking. Changing "sh" to "sch" doesn't make a name German like the biased state media always does. --2.245.100.249 (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Szczecin is, like many Polish words, difficult for English speakers – it's approximately Shchet'-sin – but it is the current and correct name of the city. Stettin (Shtet-teen' ) as it existed prior to 1945, no longer exists. Das ist einfach Geschichte. – Sca (talk) 13:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Horst, in the English Wikipedia, English names should be used. The article on Prague is titled 'Prague' not Praha, 'Cologne' not Koln, 'Munich' not Munchen, 'Rome' not Roma etc. I'm sure there's a rule about this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#English-language_titles VenomousConcept (talk) 16:08, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have mixed feelings concerning the topic. While it is true that Szczecin is the official name of the city and I completely support that, however it would be more convenient in all ways to pronounce, spell and remember the term "Stettin" for English speakers. We cannot forget that English is a Germanic language. The official name of the city in Italian is Stetino and in Portuguese Estetino which can be seen in all written sources, publications, google and google maps. Moreover, Szczecin is the largest city near the
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Since Stettin is an English-language name for the city (and one that English-speakers are capable of guessing how to pronounce), it is absurd to delete it from the infobox. Toddy1 (talk) 10:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Especially as it is the city's historic name. Rocket1 (talk) 15:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that Stettin is not the official name of Szczecin in English. Former names shouldn't be in infoboxes only lede.
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So what you are saying is that (in your personal opinion), the English-language name "Stettin" should not be in the infobox, and should be in the first sentence of the lead paragraph, like this:
Szczecin (UK: /ˈʃtʃɛtʃɪn/ SHCHETCH-in,[2] US: /-tʃiːn, ʃtʃɛtˈsiːn/ -⁠een, shchet-SEEN,[3][4][5] Polish: [ˈʂtʂɛtɕin] (About this soundlisten); German: Stettin [ʃtɛˈtiːn] (About this soundlisten); Swedish: Stettin [stɛ¹tiːn], formerly Stettin.
I can see why that might be a good solution, bearing in mind that editors are here to "to help improve encyclopedia articles and content".
Clearly there needs to be some kind of solution - because of the Gdańsk (Danzig) Vote the article at some points uses the name "Szczecin" and at other points "Stettin" - so either the first lead paragraph or the infobox needs to make it clear to readers that "Szczecin" and "Stettin" are the same place. Toddy1 (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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as peasant-patriots ?
The phrase is absurd, do you mean that people from Lwow were peasants-patriots? Xx236 (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed :) -
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Deleting sourced content is not exactly "fixing". See Paul McNamara: "Competing National and Regional Identities in Poland's Baltic". History of Communism in Europe. History of Communism in Europe vol. 3, page 31 right after fn 45: "In the Polish press, moreover, the eastern repatriates were portrayed as „salt of the earth“ peasant-patriots whose previous harsh existence and experience had made them the ideal „pioneer settlers“." HerkusMonte (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hard to get this. But after 1945 millions of Polish people were forced to leave their homes in the east,
Lwow is a very good example of this. This was done by Red Army force, not any act of patriotism. Such statements can only be found in communistic propaganda-history writing 1945-89. "The explanation to millions of Polish people, why they had to move from their homes" Boeing720 (talk) 06:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply
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In addition to Poles, Ukrainians from Polish areas annexed by the Soviet Union settled there

Maybe rather Ukrainians deported during the Operation Vistula?Xx236 (talk) 07:27, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliographical notes should be condensed

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How old is the city ? And perhaps some other clearificasions

After reading the Middle Ages part, it still remains unclear how old the city actually is. First mentioning of the city (in the article) appears to be from "winter of 1121–1122", before that, the Middle Ages part deals with Pomerania only. No big deal though. And from 1173 Denmark and then Saxons took control. But Germanic and Slavs shared the city until 1350 ,which is the time around the Black Death, later plagues are not to confuse with the Black Death which killed a third of Europe's population. So, another possible question is between which years should we use "Stettin" ? (Which is its name not just in German, but also in Swedish - and perhaps in Danish as well) It's a bit "jumpy" there. Not awfully but a bit. Boeing720 (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-German

so i don't like them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello23223 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed statement by Jan Musekamp from the article text (calling a minority a "social group" is demeaning and racist)

Please do not restore a stand alone statement that is blatantly bias into a high level city article. To call a minority, no matter how small a "social group" is blatantly demeaning and bias at best and racist at worst. The pre-war Polish community was around 1,500-2,000 people, and was similar in size to the city's Jewish community. Would Jan Musekamp also call the Jewish community a "social group", saying something like a Jewish social group was deported to concentration camps??? Jan Musekamp's statement according to today's standards is demeaning and racist, and unfortunately even after the fall of the Berlin wall, some German historians continued to make and got away with making racist statements towards Poles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E-960 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

E-960 You might start with a little research about de:Jan Musekamp, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh [1], who received the Polish ambassador's Prize for his outstanding dissertation about the history of Szczecin (excactly the book we're using) before making such statements. However, I rewrote that sentence without using that specific term.HerkusMonte (talk) 08:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
HerkusMonte, sure and Donald Tusk received a the Charlemagne Prize from Merkel, while he closed down shipyards in Poland. So, I'm not interested in those sorts of arguments based on politics and prizes. In today's day and age, calling a minority a "social group" is bias, dismissive, and discriminatory. Currently living and working in the US, Jan Musekamp surely must be aware of the sensitivities around the issues of minorities, race, and ethnicity that have taken center stage. Btw, if you want to see how Polish minorities were treated by the Germans, you can check out this webpage about Free City of Gdansk [2], similarly Poles in Szczecin were discriminated against, not sure if Jan Musekamp got around to researching this issue. In any case, this is a simple overview article, so quoting and naming individual historian and raising controversial issues is not warranted - save that for the history specific page, and be sure to include the opposing POV as well. Here just stick to facts not options. --E-960 (talk) 13:37, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Btw, this statement (by Jan Musekamp) is already included on the History of Szczecin page, and worded in a more neutral way. --E-960 (talk) 17:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a significant difference to the latest version. However, let's use that sentence from the History article. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I still miss an explanation why you removed the simple fact that a street was named after Mr. Golisz. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:06, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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