Talk:Tyler, the Creator/Archive 1

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Archive 1

The Roots -- a related act?

One user continually adds "The Roots" as a related act. Yes, I know that two or three members of "The Roots" played backup for Tyler on their Jimmy Fallon show appearance but that doesn't really make them a related act. That's like saying

Guns N'Roses is a related group to the Black Eyed Peas because Slash played with them in the Super Bowl Halftime show. Please try to engage in discussion on this issue rather than force in unsourced assertions. 71.62.188.38 (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)I've now registered an account, but I am 71.62.188.38. Chillllls (talk

) 22:06, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Whoever keeps adding The Roots as an associated act please stop. Vette92 (talk) 03:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move . Doesn't appear to be any issues here. Kilo T 21:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Tyler, the Creator → Tyler, The Creator – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC) All his albums and mixtapes are labelled as such. It is his official stage name. The redirect page and article page should be swapped around. The capital "T" in the word "The" is intentional and should be used in the title. The correct style of his name is shown on his record labels website here and on his itunes page here Kidstylez (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I strongly recommend that all parties cease edit warring over this issue and start discussing it here to achieve consensus, unless you want get blocked.--Michig (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

How is there any debate over this? His stage name is whatever his stage name is. Either it does or doesn't have a capital "The". In this case, any evidence I'm seeing directly from the source (that is, CDs, his Twitter page, etc.) has it as a capital "The". What's the other side's argument? 69.123.136.21 (talk) 13:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)ThatGuamGuy

Looking at the "Naming Conventions" article elsewhere on the site, it says pretty clearly: "For multiword page titles, one should leave the second and subsequent words in lowercase unless the title phrase is a proper noun that would always occur capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence." In this case, "Tyler, The Creator" is a proper noun that always occurs capitalized. Further, somebody argued that "the" should never be capitalized; this is a misreading of the rule which says: "except for articles ("a", "an", "the")" -- which is specifically in reference to titles of books, movies, etc. I honestly don't understand how there's a debate about this. 69.123.136.21 (talk) 14:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)ThatGuamGuy

The debate has come from

OFWGKTA affiliated pages from "Tyler, The Creator" to "Tyler, the Creator" with the reason as stated above which is a misconception of the rule. Kidstylez (talk

) 14:39, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

'Tyler, The Creator' gets my vote as the T in 'The' is a clearly intentionally capitalized part of his stage name. --Michig (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- What do sources independent of his record producer call him? If they call him "Tyler, The Creator", so should we; otherwise, see
  WP:MOSTRADE.Septentrionalis PMAnderson
  20:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  - NME calls him "Tyler, The Creator" ([1]) as do Billboard (magazine) ([2]) and MTV ([3]). Other sources vary, some even omitting the comma. --Michig (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
    - That's probably good enough; what we want to avoid is funky spellings used only by somebody's publicity, which could change tomorrow. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
      - Every Wiki article with "the" in the middle of the name has "the" cause of Wiki terms of style. L Trey (talk) 07:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
        Please supply a citation; the first principle of
        calling subjects what English-speakers generally call them. Septentrionalis PMAnderson
        01:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
        FWIW, the New Yorker, with its corps of professional fact and style checkers, writes in the latest (5/23/2001) issue (p. 60): "Tyler Okonma, known as Tyler, the Creator." Jtropp1 (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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Controversy Section?

The Controversy Section of the article, written and polished with many edits by several Wikipedians, and the subject of an earlier discussion thread, was anonymously blanked with no comment or discussion. I believe it should be restored to one of its earlier, citation-rich versions. Jtropp1 (talk) 20:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC) In Domo Genesis' track "Whole City Behind Us" featuring Tyler, the Creator; Tyler responds to hopsins -"and Goblin, you get no props on it. It sucks so much i get blowjobs from it." by saying "Goblin was a dissapointment. Ya right, shit dropped I bought a house that night."

Edit request from Tgullage, 24 August 2011

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Tyler Okonma is from Hawthorne, Los Angeles Source: http://www.formspring.me/wolfhaley/q/227247792450461891

Tgullage (talk) 15:08, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Social media sites are not generally considered reliable sources. Topher385 (talk) 20:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Other biographical details

Tyler prominently reps his

self-injurious behavior also seems worth mentioning, especially given that it is an increasingly common problem in his generation. Anyone more familiar with him have good sources on these? --24.13.224.40 (talk

) 10:18, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Atheism: [4] ; SIB: [5] --24.13.224.40 (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Neither of these issues seem particularly tied to his notability: he is a famous rapper who is also an athiest, not a rapper who is famous for his atheism (ditto for the injurious behavior). When reliable secondary sources discuss his atheism or self-injurious behavior in the context of his music or other notable activity, then it can be discussed in the article. Chillllls (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Hating religion does not mean you're an Atheist. For example, I dislike religion yet I believe in God. KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 04:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

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Footnote 13, referencing a video interview with Tyler, should be linked to original source and not the copyright infringing youtube rip: So please change "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlktx-eYDx8" to "http://svtplay.se/v/2440877/psl/tyler-the-creator-odd-future, PSL."

Done, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Style Section

My edit to the style section was removed by KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP on the grounds that it was not of a neutral perspective. However, I not only maintained neutral perspective at all times, but evidenced objectivity with verifiable sources from reliable third parties with appropriate editorial staffs. Simply because KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP disagrees with the addition does not make it false, and does not mean it is in any way infringing upon core policies as he tells me I have done. --Cfox101 (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

That article is not credible and it's an opinion piece. No place on wiki. If a credible third party source details the style and it's not an opinion piece, then feel free to add it in. KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP (talk) 05:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Regular Show

On Regular Show he wasn't Mordecai's brother. He was a rapper in Crew Crew named Blitz Comet, not Blitz Common. Change it, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.18.187.62 (talk) 01:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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In the Filmography Section the name Blitz Common in Regular Show should be changed to Blitz Comet. Blitz Comet is the correct name of the character Tyler played.

Sources:http://theregularshow.wikia.com/wiki/Blitz_Comet and I watched the episode.

Datassatad (talk) 23:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Done — Bility (talk) 00:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Hopsin Beef

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bULBnef6w6k&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Hopsin has some strong feelings for tyler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoeusHelios22 (talk • contribs) 18:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC) someone should look into whether tyler the creator had anything to say back to hopsin. With the things hopsin said, I would expect tyler the creator to get upset. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.6.51 (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

If you don't hold religion high, which is apparent that Tyler doesn't, than anything said about religion should be taken lightly. Inverted crosses, mentioning of 666, etc, hold no value to them. It doesn't make him a devil worshiper. ~cnd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.142.54 (talk) 05:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Tyler responded to hopsin, with the game in martians vs goblins, which explains why the game had hopsin's eyes. they have been calling eachother martians and goblins before the song was made. Then swizZz (of funk volume) responded with a 'martians vs goblins freestyle'. since then, nothing has been heard

of  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.17.239.118 (talk) 02:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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Tyler also dissed Immortal Technique on Yonkers, in turn Techniques label mate Diabolic, responded by torching Tyler to his own Yonkers beat. Tyler has not responded.

Dedflesh (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. We also need

reliable sources to add new content. Thanks! — Jess· Δ ♥

06:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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Please add to filmography: Tyler appeared in 1 episode of Punk'd (season 9 episode 4, 2012) and played as the host of the show. http://www.mtv.com/shows/punkd/episode.jhtml?episodeID=193481 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7lxwfqkBzw Thanks.

86.29.222.196 (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Done Thanks for improving Wikipedia. mabdul 17:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Change in Legal Section

On December 22, 2011, Tyler was arrested during a show at the Roxy Theatre in West Hollywood, and charged with "suspicion of vandalism" for alleged destroying of a sound equipment belonging to the venue. He was released on $20,000 bail.

The bolded section should be "for the alleged destruction of sound equipment" or "for allegedly destroying sound equipment." — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTomberlin (talk • contribs) 17:01, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested edit for the Misogyny section

I think that describing Tyler's rape-themed lyrics as misogynistic and fantasies is too strong outside the context of one's personal opinion and that "rape-themed lyrics" rather than "misogynistic rape fantasies" would suffice. Because Tyler's lyrics like that aren't supposed to be taken at face value. Also, I think it would be helpful to note that Tegan and Sara are lesbians; without knowing that one wouldn't get why Tyler asked them if they need "hard dick". 66.244.5.20 (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Done I simply removed it. KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The original request also discussed including reference to Tegan and Sara being lesbians for context. I feel that bit of context greatly changes the nature of the comment. It is more of a sarcastic quip than an actual offer. Both Tegan and Sara's homosexuality is noted on their wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTomberlin (talk • contribs) 17:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request July 4, 2012

Request that the supportive tweet Tyler made in lieu of Frank Ocean coming out be added to Homophobia section, as it is relevant enough to be on the Frank Ocean page, relevant to the topic, and adds nuance to a section that has already been criticized for possible bias. How Tyler treats the openly queer members of his group is as relevant to whether or not he is homophobic as his use of the word faggot and his claims against his own homophobia.

ETA: news source for the tweet as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boneknife (talk • contribs) 05:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Censorship

The "feuds" section doesn't seem like it's particularly necessary, but if it is, b.o.b.'s lyrics ought not to be dashed out as they are. According to wikipedia:offensive material, "... a vulgarity or obscenity should either appear in its full form or not at all; words should never be bowdlerized by replacing letters with dashes, asterisks, or other symbols." I tried to change it but the change was blocked by a filter. Someone else ought to take care of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.8.190.110 (talk) 08:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it got taken care of. Also, you probably got blocked by the filter do to not being signed in. Anons posting profanity usually don't have good intent ;) E123 (talk) 01:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Comma

Is the correct styling 'Tyler the Creator', or 'Tyler, The Creator'? Both are used in the article, surely one should be chosen and stuck to. 94.192.45.239 (talk) 21:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

In terms of style, I think "Tyler, the Creator" is correct. I believe that the page is listed as "Tyler the Creator" because of the personal preference of the wiki editor who created the page. Chillllls (talk) 04:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, he always writes it as "Tyler, the Creator", the title of the page should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.130.71 (talk) 08:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.130.39.1 (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

AUSTRALIAN MEET GREET INTERVIEW (LOVE IN AUSS?) 17/11/12

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AUSTRALIAN MEET GREET INTERVIEW (LOVE IN AUSS?) 17/11/12 Tyler Recently had a Meet and Greet in Sydney last week and Met lots of Fans.Out of no where tyler jumped in the crowd and grabbed one gurl he said she was his biggest fan and that she stood out from the others, tyler said "I dont know theres something about her!.Not knowin that the gurl was secretly talented she did a small cover for tyler. Tyler was shocked and said" mind f*** dis nigga is dope!" rigth after he Requested a Photo and gift to this gurl. Tyler thaan received a kiss from the young gurl and the greet was over. Tyler gave her 6 tickets back stage for his next deul concert with ODD FUTURE, by the end of the day tyler was tired and we were lucky enough to gain a small interview with him he said "this dope a** gurl she was so beauitful, she had the voice, the looks and NIGGA shit bitchh, she was dope!" the reporter than said " tyler it seems your inlove?' tyler than said "shit! iam shit!" (reporter) "tykler did u get anything besides a kiss or?" (tyler) "f*** yeh i got some DIGITS nigga!raw nigga DIGITSman i dont know whaat to say i wanna come back her, wait oi want to live here with this Beauty my goodness nigga F***!". Not only did we get the interview with Tyler we were lucky enough to get a pep talk with the gurl. Emily Rene aka Tylers Australian Crush. _click this link for the full video on interview with description below_34"038289{}{{}9383 124.176.63.132 (talk) 07:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done: - There are no understandable details of the edit you would like to be made. You haven't provided a

reliable source for an edit to be made. It doesn't really sound like the sort of content that would be suitable for an encyclopedia - we don't report gossip or tabloid style news stories. Begoon ^talk

08:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

New picture

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That picture of Tyler, The Creator is almost 2 years old. I request it be changed to a more recent profile shot. 12.124.86.186 (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: If you have a specific picture that can be used that is in line with the

image use policy, feel free to upload it and reopen this request. —KuyaBriBri^Talk

18:19, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Criticism

A section of criticism based on one account of homophobia on his twitter account criticized only by 3 random bloggers? This obviously is a worthless section. Lil Wayne does the same but it isn't on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.50.113 (talk) 05:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The Guardian is not a "random blogger"--it is a newspaper with the second largest online readership of any English-language newspaper in the world. Neither is The Wall Street Journal. And neither is the other source cited--Tyler's own Twitter page.

Noting what is or is not included in another article is not within Wikipedia's guidelines for what it worthy of inclusion in an article.

The criticism included in this Wikipedia article represents a pattern of criticism from major professional critics and newspapers (as the included references indicate). Jtropp1 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The Criticism section wasn't particularly neutral and had some poor sources in it, but given the amount of attention he has had for this issue it belongs in the article. I've tried to make it more balanced and added sources. If anyone has any issues with it feel free to discuss it here. If anyone removes this they'd better have a good explanation.--Michig (talk) 16:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Michig -- the addition of Tyler's response to the criticism (as cited) does add balance to the article, and that the artist saw need to respond to such significant criticism as has been levied in major newspapers, reinforces the importance of the Criticism section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtropp1 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Personal blogs are certainly not acceptable sources to use here to back up negative claims about a living person. Only the man himself can really know whether his use of these terms is out of a prejudice against homosexuals or just derogatory use in general (both 'gay' and 'faggot' have negative meanings beyond being references to homosexuals) albeit use that is likely to be construed by some as homophobic. If you want to add more than what's there now, please acquaint yourself with

WP:RS and make sure you cite acceptable reliable sources.--Michig (talk

) 18:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

The only "personal blog" used as a reference (http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/) has been recognized for awards by

WP:SPS

) self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer, you are correct that this site should not be used as a reference here.

You are correct that, as they are currently used in the vernacular, "gay" or "faggot" when used as insults may be intended to be generally derogatory and not specifically meant to demean homosexuals--just as one doesn't necessarily intend to demean Jews as greedy or Romani as dishonest when saying, "He jewed me down" or "He gypped me." Context matters. But within the context of the lyrics of Tyler's songs, for example (from "Assmilk"):

"I hate gays, gangbangers and fucking jerkers

Unless it's gay gangbangers that's fucking jerkers

Whoa yo, yo, no homo, I'm not gay, faggot,"

the string of synonyms makes it clear that Tyler is referring to men who have sex with men, and that he means "gay," "homo," and "faggot" as epithets directed specifically at homosexuals. (Note he does not say, e.g., "I hate gays, assholes, douchebags," as if "gay" or "faggot" were interchangeable with other generic insults.) To suggest that it requires a biased POV to see "I hate gays...no homo, I'm not gay, faggot" (esp. when spoken by a heterosexual person) as homophobic is like suggesting it requires a biased POV to see "I hate Blacks...no Afro-American, I'm not Black, nigger" as racist (esp. when spoken by a white person).

Jtropp1 (talk) 21:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC) His support of Frank Ocean coming out needs to be acknowledged. His use of slurs and his support of his friend is non sequitur and a moot point.

Twitter and copyright-violating lyric sites are also not good sources to use.--Michig (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right about not citing (arguably) copyright-violating lyrics sites; I should have cited the song directly.

As for using Twitter: Since the controversy over Tyler's language is in part explicitly as reaction to his postings on Twitter, directly citing his page seems appropriate. The referenced Twitter page (https://twitter.com/#!/fucktyler) is confirmed by reliable sources as Tyler's (e.g., by MTV at http://rapfix.mtv.com/2011/05/10/tyler-the-creator-detained-not-arrested/). The guidelines at

WP:SELFPUB

suggest that using a confirmed Twitter account as the reference for a quote from the creator of that account is appropriate (though of course other sources should be used for an article as well).

I do appreciate your working to keep this and other articles up to Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards, and recognize the importance of erring on the side of omission over unverifiable, potentially libelous language. Jtropp1 (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Anything based on his lyrics needs to cite a reliable source stating what his lyrics are. I'm not saying you're wrong in your analysis, but it's important that any sources cited are suitable. If a reliable source can be found that has cited those lyrics and reached a conclusion based on them, it would be much better to cite that rather than reaching conclusions yourself. --Michig (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I hear you. At this point, I think the relevant, significant information on homophobia-related criticism of Tyler is fine for encyclopedic purposes as of your 18:35, 14 May 2011 edit. Jtropp1 (talk) 22:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, this is a serious violation of

WP:RS simply because it won a blog award from GLAAD). Could you explain why you, Jtropp1, think it deserves its own section? Chillllls (talk

) 03:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, I was looking at an old revision of the page where the blog was still being used as a source. I still have some issues with this section, however. Why is the only criticism being leveled at homophobia in his lyrics? The Guardian article, although it mentions homophobia in the title, equally addresses homophobia, misogyny and violence in his lyrics. I think that the reason you were accused above of POV editing is that the only criticism you (Jtropp1) are adding to the article is criticism of homophobia, when most sources offer much more criticism of the violence and misogyny in his lyrics. If anything, I believe the criticism section of this article should be expanded by a sentence or two to more accurately reflect the criticism in sources. Does that sound ok to you? Chillllls (talk) 03:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: expanding the Criticism section to include types of criticism leveled against Tyler beyond that for using homophobic slurs. Of course I'm just one contributor, but that sounds fine to me: any criticism that is encyclopedia-worthy in virtue of having received significant major media attention (demonstrable, of course, with appropriate citations) seems like a worthwhile addition. Jtropp1 (talk) 01:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

In all honesty, my

WP:RSs that provide fodder for a criticism section. I'll draft something in the next two or three days about Tyler's lyrics that I'll submit on the talk page for comment before editing the criticism ~~page~~ section in the article. Chillllls (talk

) 03:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey now--just because I'm a minor contributor doesn't mean I'm not a major user of this resource or don't take the project that is Wikipedia seriously. I edit and comment under my real name which, though obviously not required for good faith edits, does (from a quick survey of the top contributors) put me with only ~5% of Wikipedians.* I'm a scholar in real life, and try to ensure that any changes I make here are of the sort that make Wikipedia a more useful resource for people like me coming to it to learn more about people and things in the world. I appreciate that you also take the standards that have evolved here seriously; I look forward to seeing the expansion you draft for this article. Jtropp1 (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

*The number of Wikipedians contributing under their real names may be slightly higher than the ~5% I mentioned, as some include that information on their User pages. Jtropp1 (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be noted that the majority of the uses of the word 'b***h' are in a single song, "B***h Suck D**k," which is meant as more of a comical song. There's a difference of presentation in saying that he basically says the word 'b***h' every minute and saying that other than this particular song he says 'b***h' about thirty times, which is likely more on par with any other rapper. (Sorry for the censoring but wikipedia labelled it as potentially unconstructive otherwise.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.50.211 (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Music Career: Wolf & Loiter Squad (2012-Present) Edit/Update

Updating information to both Tyler's "WOLF" album and "Loiter Squad" show, Wolf is scheduled for release on April 2nd, 2013 and Season 2 of Loiter Squad premiers on Adult Swim 3/10/13

Sources for both this information can be found on Odd Future's youtube page from these follow videos, Wolf Press Release Video and Loiter Squad Season 2 Teaser

Additional info, the first single and video for Wolf has also been released, titled "Domo23", you can watch here — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackJesus99 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Geography 101

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"English independent record label" to "United Kingdom independent record label". Much as I'd like to fix the basic factual error (or deliberate Easter Egging?) implicit in [[United Kingdom|English]], the article's semi-protected, so I can't. 84.203.35.120 (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Partly done: I have instead used "British", as the proper adjective form was the easiest way to correct this error without doing much more rewriting of the sentence. If you still object please reopen this edit request. Thanks. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm content with that. "British" is somewhat ambiguous, as it can mean pertaining to either Great Britain or the United Kingdom, but it's the usual demonym, so one can't really complain. (Except in Northern Ireland, where they do so routinely.) 84.203.35.120 (talk) 06:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Filmography Edit/Update

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Tyler made a brief cameo Season 1, Episode 10 of "The Mindy Project

You can watch the clip here, http://video.vulture.com/video/Tyler-the-Creator

If it's of any significance or not, Tyler was listed in the credits as Tyler "Mr. Hot Sauce" Haley BlackJesus99 (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Done Vaca tion 9 17:48, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, in 2013 Tyler has appeared on Late Night With Jimmy Fallon and the David Lettermn Show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FDeL7Imi7o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAUx_yhqhk4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.13.187 (talk) 23:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Awards Section

He was nominated for Best Hip Hop award in 2012 at the Japan VMA's but lost to Kreva. I think it should be added anyway since his other nominations that he didn't win are there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Video_Music_Award_Japan_for_Best_Hip-Hop_Video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.47.51 (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Someone change his picture to this !!!

http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/a2359d449ae489ec0f6d418881798cd6/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/MUSIC/2013/01/the-50-most-anticipated-albums-of-2013/tyler_the_creator_wolf_432421.jpg

The current photo is old, the linked one is from 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedMajor213 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Surname?

Shouldn't the article refer to him by Okonma, like the way people like Tobuscus are referred to as Turner? - Drilly Dilly (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

WOLF

nothing about WOLF has been added to the page since the Fallon performance, which was before it dropped. Also, the upcoming WOLF movie should be added, as well as the album's history after Fallon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.78.155 (talk) 23:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request on 29 September 2013

Request that the Music Career section be amended to include Tyler's newest song, Garbage, which appeared on The Music of Grand Theft Auto V Volume I: The Originals and was written specifically for the game. Sources located on Pitchfork and Rolling Stone. -- AO-Jaql (talk) 23:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014

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You mention music videos for his music videos of the Wolf album but forget to mention "Tamale", which is his most recent full music video. Pieisgood51 (talk) 18:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide

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) 01:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Drums??

Um, I'm not getting the "instruments" section in the infobox stating he plays druns. I even Googled "Tyler, the Creator drums" and it shows no result that he plays drums of any sort. Is there a proper source stating he does? Second Skin (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

- Bruh. Have you clicked on the citation link that is RIGHT NEXT TO IT? Dankyhashpants (talk) 03:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I have and didn't feel like sorting through several sentences just to find a place that says he plays drums. I thought if he did, it would be as easy just to find a picture of him playing drums simply by Googling his name and adding "drums". As high profile as this person is, why is there only one source stating this? Second Skin (talk) 02:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Redundancy in Feuds Section

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In the first sentence of the second paragraph of the feuds section someone wrote "Brown tweeted on Twitter", which is redundant. Could someone please edit this to just say tweeted?

Done Cannolis (talk) 00:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Requesting to change slang word "disses"

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In the "Feuds" section of the article (section 5), request to change "disses" to another synonym (e.g. criticize, belittle, bad-mouth, etc.). The word in question is regarded (mostly) as slang and takes away from the quality and professionalism of the article. Jabbahwocky (talk) 01:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: I have not changed the wording, as it seems to be appropriate, but I did update the wikilink to go to the

diss track article to help clarify the usage of the term. -- ferret (talk

) 19:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2016

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new photo Justheretohelpu2 (talk) 06:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --

) 07:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that

Tyler, The Creator. I think that the content in the Camp Flog Gnaw article can easily be explained in the context of Tyler, The Creator, and the Tyler, The Creator article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Camp Flog Gnaw will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Tyler Laney (talk

) 23:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Recent Works (as of June 30th)

May someome please add that Tyler has just released two new songs "Who Dat Boy" and "911/Mr Lonely" as well as a video for the former. These songs were the first he's released that are NOT off Odd Future Records. Also I see that the Perfect video featuring Kali Uchis and Austin Feinstein was never added to his videos despite being an offical song off the studio album Cherry Bomb. The aforementioned points are very important aspects of the his artist biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weabooo (talk • contribs) 16:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2017

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Under heading 2017 -- present: Flower Boy, change "The album was also released as a CD at most major retailers on July 21st. 2016." to "The album was also released as a CD at most major retailers on July 21st, 2017." 210.54.156.38 (talk) 21:35, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Genre

Tyler is not horrorcore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackflag133 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes he is KING OF WIKIPEDIA - GRIM LITTLEZ (talk) 07:17, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

He definitely is NOT horrorcore. Fucking retards...

- Why the fuck do people keep saying this? Don't be fucking idiots, ladies and gentlemen. A large amount of his music can be CLEARLY categorized as horrorcore due to the lyrical themes and the ominous instrumentals. I can understand Tyler denying the claim that he makes horrorcore due to his desire to not be pigeonholed, but for him and a lot of his fans(I am a fan, but not of ALL of his stuff) to say "ITZ NOT HRRORCROE" without any evidence or legitimate reasoning is not only just ridiculous(especially considering
  WP:SUBJECTIVE, it's also woefully ignorant. Dankyhashpants (talk
  ) 03:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree in that a single label would probably pigeonhole the guy. But, he incorporates other genres into his music and oftentimes his songs will switch and turn direction. The horrorcore label should be used in his description, but so should alternative hip hop, experimental hip hop, and abstract hip hop. This will help people discover him when searching Wikipedia for artists specifically by genre alone. Carsontf45 (talk) 00:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved.This was a tough one, there appeared to be more consensus for pages to be moved based on strength of argument and policy. Please feel free to refer to

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) 08:40, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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) 21:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't really matter in this case, because on most of his songs and promotional material he is either referred to as "Tyler The Creator" or "Tyler, The Creator". It's pretty much always capitalized. I mean, if he used lowercase and uppercase the same amount, it would be best to changed "the" to lowercase, but he always uses uppercase. SuperLuigi22 (talk) 23:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, he may stylize it like that but Wikipedia has to follow a default format. Ex.

Marina and the Diamonds is always stylized with a capitalized "The", but not on Wikipedia. ASAP Rocky's name is stylized as "A$AP Rocky", but not Wikipedia, or Florence and the Machine which is always stylized as "Florence + The Machine". This is all because of Wikipedia's default style format, see Wikipedia:Article titles#Format. I can guarantee you that almost every proper noun article on Wikipedia with a "the" in it is lowercase. Hope this made it easier to understand! AgWoolridge (talk

) 06:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah okay. I kind of wish the rule was different, but if that's the rule, than I say we move it to "Tyler, the Creator". SuperLuigi22 (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Note. This RM wasn't properly listed until 10 November. Jenks24 (talk) 20:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

~~Oppose~~ . I don't see where in
MOS:THEMUSIC
says that "However, 'the' should be capitalized mid-sentence when it begins the name of an album or other artwork" but doesn't specify artist? And that "An authoritative source will determine whether the word 'the' is part of a band's name", but doesn't mention its capitalization.

I don't know if A$AP Rocky and Florence + The Machine are good examples as they contain symbols and it's not a capitalization issue, but I'm not sure what the deal is with A$AP Rocky because that stylization seems pretty universal to me and $ isn't a

forbidden character. Also, Florence + The Machine's is referred to as "Florence & The Machine" on grammy.com, which leads me to believe use of the + isn't completely universal. Marina and the Diamonds' leader writes it with lowercase "the" on this blog entry while their website and billboard.com

use both "Marine And The Diamonds" and "Marine and the Diamonds".

TL;DR Tyler, The Creator seems very consistent in his use of capitalized "The", and various music-related outlets via quick searches seem to abide by this (grammy.com, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon, ). Its capitalization is also consistent through WP articles where he is the primary topic—

Tyler, The Creator discography, etc., and seems like all body text. If that's the proper name, then there's no reason the title can't have a capitalized "The". – Rhinopias (talk

) 02:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

It clearly states in

WP:MOS "do not capitalize the in mid-sentence". As I have said, it is simply Wikipedia's format that all articles must follow that format. Minor words such as "the", "in", "on" or "and" must always be lower-case even in proper nouns, unless at the beginning of a title (such as your example, List of The Simpsons episodes. This article was originally titled "Tyler, the Creator" and it should not have been changed. AgWoolridge (talk

) 06:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Oppose -
MOS:THECAPS says "Do not ordinarily capitalize...". Idiomatic expressions are given as an exception. These include, not restricted to, "titles of artistic works". Some sources capitalise the T, others don't, Tyler does. Who cares? Cjhard (talk
) 04:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

SuperLuigi22, I believe this may be relevant to your opinion on whether the article should be moved. Cjhard (talk) 04:28, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Let's just keep it as it is, it's not harming anybody. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 19:57, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Support per nomination. While uppercase / lowercase entries vary considerably in the wild, Wikipedia has a set of guidelines which maintain uniformity and standardization. Titles of various works (such as films) as well as names of performers, are often seen rendered in all caps or with every word bearing an initial cap (another performer's
Tyler, The Creator can be a redirect to Tyler, the Creator. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs)
08:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Support per
WP:P&G pages doesn't change anything. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢
>^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 18:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Support per the use in quality sources (reliable sources, discounting primary sources, vimeo, youtube, etc). I was prepared to support "The Creator" as having plausible special meaning when capitalised, but on investigation I can't see a hint of special meaning, and when I went down the list (1-10) of current reference, all the reliable sources (mostly newspapers) use "Tyler, the Creator". If quality newspapers don't capitalise, there is no good argument for Wikipedia to treat it as an exception to normal Wikipedia style. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Support: notified via
MOS:TM. There doesn't seem to be any reason to capitalise "The" in his pseudonym here and not elsewhere, especially when reliable sources tend not to follow his marketing stylisation. ‑‑Yodin^T
15:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Support. Per
MOS:THEMUSIC, an authoritative source is required to override general style rules. There is none in this case. The lowercase is used in a large number of reliable sources. James (^talk/_contribs
) 18:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

~~Oppose~~ - it's fine where it is. fchd (talk) 08:55, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Extended discussion

OK so…

trademarks. – OK (oddly redirecting to a specific section?)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks:
- Capitalize trademarks, being proper names. – great
- For details, follow the same style as for titles of published works – OK here we go once more
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters § Composition titles
:
- Literally even says it's a mess right now, redirecting to 6 other sections… some of which I've listed above.
- Then says For title case, the words that are not capitalized (unless they are the first or last word of the title) are: Articles (a, an, the) with no exceptions (???)

@SMcCandlish: the only page that explicitly says what to do in relation to musical groups is Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music § Capitalization, which you did not link to. (MOS:CAPS, WP:NCCAPS, and WP:THE especially, are also really not helpful in this case.) In /Music: 1. Standard English text formatting and capitalization rules apply to the names of bands and individual artists (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Proper names). This is still completely inexplicit and contradicted elsewhere, /Trademarks is difficult to find relevance in, and /Proper names says nothing remotely relevant. It took me hours to find this, and from a note at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Titles of works.

I appreciate the tone, though, as I'm most definitely on Wikipedia to slobber all over "Tyler, whatever Creator" since I'm trying to poke holes in AgWoolridge's really sound quoting of WP's formatting guidelines. Next time I'll just read WP:NOT instead of digging through a mess of pages in order to figure out whether or not to capitalize one letter. – Rhinopias (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

The whole problem with this monster analysis is a

WP:LAWYER-ish idea that if some micro-topic isn't specifically covered by a tiny rule exactly and only about that fragmentary sub-sub-sub-matter that somehow no rule applies to it. We have general rules for a reason. If we tried to write separate rules for song titles, and nicknames, and logos on packaging, and names of airports, and capital letters in railway stations versus railway lines, and [insert 10,000 other things here], MoS would be orders of magnitude longer than all the world's other style guides combined, and we'd have thousands of naming conventions pages. All that is sufficient here is that WP does not use a capital letter (or other stylization) unless the overwhelming majority of reliable sources do so consistently for that specific case. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢

>^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 02:08, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

It may be overly explained, but the core premise is a valid one which is what I thought when I read the guidelines you linked: they don't support what you're saying. Cjhard (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Of course they do; I've quoted some of the important bits for you, below. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 04:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@Cjhard: my point in that wasn't to point out which pages referenced by others were not relevant, as I began writing that days ago in response to AgWoolridge's reply to my oppose above, trying to find where in the manual it said what they were saying to me. – Rhinopias (talk) 03:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

@

You might be wikilawyering if…

like, WP:THE is entirely about whether or not to include articles in titles, and has absolutely no relevance here.)

How was this request determined to be about "marketing house style"? If the whole point is that, as you say, we don't do something unless the overwhelming majority of reliable sources do, then I haven't seen in this discussion any analyses of sources utilized in the article and of ones that are available elsewhere to determine which case is more consistently used. All I'm getting from policy is that we capitalize trademarks (which /Music says to follow), but we also use title case, so is this now decided by sources to determine if the name of the artist (the trademark) is with a capitalized "The"? – Rhinopias (talk) 03:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Making up a self-aggrandizing stage name for yourself = marketing, and it is a trademark (if you decide to go on tour and put out albums under the name "Tyler, the Creator", capitalized any way at all, you will successfully be sued). PS, re: "How do we determine ... what is an exception to generalizations where no exception is explicitly written out?" Stop looking for exceptions. There is no

WP:IAR to be found here (and continuing to seek one makes it difficult to take at face value any disclaimers of disinterest in the subject). After 16+ years, MoS does not need to make any more exceptions and has already catalogued and enumerated every sort we're ever likely to encounter. The entire point of our standard to avoid capitalization (and other stylization) except where RS consistently use it for the subject in question is to avoid 10,000 new rules for separate subjects. This case doesn't pass that test. Above, you seem to think it does, but that's disproven in seconds [6]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢

>^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 04:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

This discussion has gone very far, I haven't even read all of this yet but I think the best way to make a decision would be to ask an administrator what the final decision should be and trust it based on their knowledge. AgWoolridge (talk) 00:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

It's more that someone spilled the discussion on the floor and it's spread out into a sticky mess; not exactly forward travel. Let's be clear, since it's not always admins who close RMs, and some who are new to

WP:NAC

just count "votes" without thinking about the underlying policy arguments.

Between all of these and more:

"do not capitalize the in mid-sentence";
"choose the style that most closely resembles standard English - regardless of the preference of the trademark owner";
"Initial capitals ... should not be used for emphasis";
"Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization...; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia";
and unmistakeable lack of consistent capitalization of "the" in the case of this subject in such sources [7];

there is only one outcome, and could only have ever been one. This move should have been listed at

WP:FILIBUSTER problem.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢

>^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 04:03, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, this should clear it up to those who do not understand why the page should be moved. AgWoolridge (talk) 09:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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The Roots -- a related act?

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AUSTRALIAN MEET GREET INTERVIEW (LOVE IN AUSS?) 17/11/12

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Drums??

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