Talk:Typhoon Vamco

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I think this should be an official article now. I live in Antipolo City right now and so far this typhoon was not really an ordinary typhoon right now. It may be a Category 2, but like what I've experienced right now at this moment, its like Typhoon Conson (Basyang) all over again. Hamham31Heke!KushKush! 17:50, 11 November 2020 (UTC) [reply]

As someone who is from the Capital Region (Manila), I concur. Personally, I think this storm is closer to Typhoon Xangsane (Milenyo) and Typhoon Rammasun (Glenda) in terms of intensity and impacts. We might be seeing a historic storm here. Vida0007 (talk) 19:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm just concerned about this sentence in the

Then, surrounded by favorable conditions for an intensification, Vamco continued to gain strength and reached its peak of intensity, with winds of 110 mph (175 km/h) and 10-min sustained at 80 mph (130 km/h) and pressure of 970 mbar, supporting Vamco a high-end category 2–equivalent typhoon.

It appears that the Meteorological history section of this article gives more precedence to miles per hour over kilometers per hour and 1-minute sustained winds over 10-minute sustained winds despite Vamco being a Northwestern Pacific tropical cyclone. This sentence makes it sound like Vamco is an Atlantic/Northeastern Pacific/Central Pacific hurricane. — Nairb.Idi9 (talk)

Added in by Miguel 04012010 with this edit. It's also unsourced, so I had to dig through the trackfile and JTWC's warnings a bit before I could confirm the data. I've now converted the units to km/h. Chlod (say hi!) 09:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a little sentence right there in the Impact section which mentions an information gap caused by the

What do you think? RBolton123 (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly DUE, but maybe best applied to the Rolly article instead of this one. However, we should hold on this right now, since the extent of the impact has not yet been determined, as hundreds of areas are currently submerged in the water (which is flooding the news instead of more reports from the disaster agency). If an article comes out connecting Ulysses to the same idea, then maybe it could be kept. So wait on it for a bit maybe? Chlod (say hi!) 15:42, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since reliable sources have linked the shutdown to increased difficulties in preparing and responding to this typhoon in particular, it should most certainly be mentioned. The level of detail required would depend on the overall significance of the shutdown's effects - if it was just a minor contributing factor, maybe a couple sentences would do; if it played a large role in obstructing access to information in rural areas, an entire paragraph (or more) may be necessary. (I'm not familiar with what exactly is going on, so this is hypothetical.) ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just to get you in the loop: To summarize, ABS-CBN had regional networks (besides their national one) which were able to reach areas without strong coverage (say, an island or the middle of a mountain). After they lost their franchise, they had to shut down all of those regional programs, which meant those in far-flung areas can no longer get any news unless someone brings it to them, whether it be some other person or evacuation crew. If you want to learn more, the linked article,

ABS-CBN franchise renewal controversy, details what led to the event, and the list article List of ABS-CBN Corporation channels and stations shows an entire list of the stations shut down. Chlod (say hi!) 16:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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I found better links already and replaced the old ones. These ones are related to Ulysses/Vamco specifically.- Chieharumachi (talk) 17:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good day.

I think we need A LOT more info regarding Magat Dam and areas below it. The typhoon has caused a lot of rainfall and the dam is almost at its spilling level already. With all seven gates open, the inflow is still larger than its outflow; we are expecting widespread flood and damages.

Some sources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

HiwilmsTalk 18:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. I couldn't find any sources about it (that were not videos) so this is actually really helpful. I've been trying to find some sources for it for a while now, since Twitter isn't the best source despite the hundreds of requests for rescues. I'll put this in as soon as possible. --Chlod (say hi!) 18:50, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to contribute later this afternoon since I'm a bit sleepy now. This is something I could give for now. HiwilmsTalk 19:20, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like I'll be sleeping as well. I'll continue working on this in a few hours. Hopefully coverage has improved by then. Chlod (say hi!) 19:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't "Typhoon Ulysses" be moved too?

Shouldn't "

Support--HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 12:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Moved on the grounds of

Typhoon Ulysses to this article. Chlod (say hi!) 13:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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The article says that the names were "to be retired" and were not actually retiring the names. Until we can

definitively say that the PAGASA has retired the names, we can't call those names retired yet. Chlod (say hi!) 00:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Also, fix your signature please. There's a missing </small> after Heke!. Chlod (say hi!) 00:26, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PAGASA tends to say that they are going to retire a particular name when they are retiring names though. For instance, Urduja (Kai-tak) and Vinta (Tembin) in 2017 were singled out by PAGASA as names to be retired, but it took a long time (more than a year) before replacement names were formalized. It was not until early 2019 when the weather bureau replaced the said names with Uwan and Verbena. Not to mention that the source mentioned in the article is Manila Bulletin, which has a record in reporting PAGASA's retired names. For example, this Bulletin article from last year said: "Destructive typhoon “Tisoy” (international name: Kammuri) will soon be retired by the Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical and Astronomical Services Administration (PAGASA) from its list of tropical cyclone names due to the cyclone’s massive damage to infrastructure and agriculture." Notice the similar wording 11 months later, this time in relation to Ulysses (Vamco). Vida0007 (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then the parts saying that the name was "retired" should be changed to future tense. But that's obviously no longer an issue, since the section's already been included in the article with the necessary corrections. Chlod (say hi!) 15:23, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Section inserted as

vandals. Chlod (say hi!) 09:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Recently, citizens on social media have been calling out the government's response to the floods and the typhoon. I'd like to put this into the article, however there may be concerns about its

due weight

. I've linked some possible sources below, so can someone please tell me if it'll be okay to put a paragraph (or two) related to this in the article?

• https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/764175/duterte-calls-on-world-leaders-to-multilateralism-on-covid-response-climate-action-during-east-asia-summit/story/
• https://interaksyon.philstar.com/politics-issues/2020/11/13/180530/project-noah-and-national-calamity-fund-create-online-buzz-as-duterte-bats-for-climate-justice/
• https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/11/13/news/top-stories/duterte-rallies-asean-to-fight-climate-change/795614/
• https://www.rappler.com/moveph/filipino-resiliency-exploited-netizens-slam-disaster-response-government-uselessph

Note: All linked sources above qualify for

WP:V

. Thanks in advance. Chlod (say hi!) 07:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I support the addition of the cites by User:Chlod as it adds another insight for the article. The response by the people in relation to the government's actions is appropriate and the sources appear to be reliable in nature. Jurisdicta (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support - There's more than enough academic literature to support the reliability of all this. If anything, two paragraphs may be insufficient to cover the issues. (In which case I think there's merit in a spinoff article). - Chieharumachi (talk) 09:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Section name

Except, please don't name the section "controversy"? It's vague, and the vagueness invites WP:Due questions. If you're having any trouble coming up with an alternative section name, I'll try to read more thoroughly later tonight and give suggestions. But for now, yeah, I think naming it "controversy" is a bad idea. - Chieharumachi (talk) 09:54, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Changed it to "Public reactions to government response" for now - Chieharumachi (talk) 09:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sure thing. Thanks! Chlod (say hi!) 10:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image

There has been controversy between the usage of these two images for the Infobox

(1) File:Vamco 2020-11-13 1845Z.jpg	(2) File:Vamco 2020-11-14 0500Z.jpg

There are good arguments for both as one is a great quality but is at a weakened state. The other isn’t as great as a quality but does show the peak intensity of Vamco. Let me know what you think.

talk) 15:45, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply

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• Image 2 – Following
  Image guidelines, Clarity of the storm and its context should be emphasized over closeness to peak. Not only is 1 of a lower quality, but there's a nasty cut in the middle of the storm. And since it's a false image since the peak occurred during night, 2 would be the better candidate instead of 1. Chlod (say hi!) 15:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Image 1 however use it so it shows it's dark. Vietnam is on GMT+7 so 18:45 UTC is 1:45 AM there. 05:00 UTC is noon for them. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 20:23, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Image 2 For clarity.
  9thx my edits 01:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Image 2 For clarity. Agree with User:SMB99thx and User:Chlod, until and if a third, better image shows up. But Image 1 should be retained somewhere in the body.- Sparryx (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Image 2. Easy decision. Image 1 has lines. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COVID-19 and Vamco preparations, impact and aftermath

I think it's important that we not interpret the impact of Vamco as isolated events. At least in the Philippines, preparations, impact, and aftermath were all signficiantly affected by the fact that this all happened in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic. Due to the nature of news, this may be downplayed in emphasis there a bit, but the coverage is there. Due to the encyclopedic nature of Wikipedia, we should adjust our writing because we're not dealing with journalistic practice reflecting "recency."- Sparryx (talk) 03:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic were felt during the typhoon (which, as far as I've read, goes just as far as evacuation center preparation and resuces), then it should be included. Not sure how the flow would go though. Chlod (say hi!) 06:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]