Template:Did you know nominations/Sundrum Castle

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 14:14, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Sundrum Castle

View of Sundrum Castle

• ... that the 14th century Sundrum Castle was redeveloped in the 1990s and sold as a series of private residences? Source: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12314977.estate-that-beat-an-ancient-curse/
  • ALT0a: ... that the ancient Sundrum Castle (pictured) was redeveloped in the 1990s and split into three private residences for sale? Source: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12314977.estate-that-beat-an-ancient-curse/
  • ALT1: ... that the Hamiltons of Sundrum Castle (pictured) were involved in reducing the rent of William Burnes, father of the poet Robert Burns? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20210506071916/http://sundrumcastle.com/history.html
  • ALT2: ... that the 14th century Sundrum Castle was erroneously referred to as Pictish in the poem "The Vision" by Robert Burns? Source: http://www.robertburns.org/works/90.shtml and https://ia902304.us.archive.org/35/items/historicaldescri00milluoft/historicaldescri00milluoft.pdf page 143
    • ALT2a: ... that the 14th century Sundrum Castle (pictured) was referred to as Pictish in the poem "The Vision" by Robert Burns, but this is only thought to be a legend? Source: http://www.robertburns.org/works/90.shtml and https://ia902304.us.archive.org/35/items/historicaldescri00milluoft/historicaldescri00milluoft.pdf page 143
  • ALT3: ... that the fall of Sundrum Castle (pictured) was alluded to in a poem by Robert Chambers in the 19th century and was later referred to as a curse? Source: https://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/archive/81375206?mode=transcription and https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12314977.estate-that-beat-an-ancient-curse/
  • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Kj cheetham (talk). Self-nominated at 11:04, 10 September 2022 (UTC).

Article meets the eligibility criteria (promoted to GA within seven days). It is long enough. I can't see any policy problems with the article, and the image is properly licensed. QPQ is yet to be done. Other than that, I have a few issues with the hooks:

• Hook 1: Minor point, but I was confused by what a "series of private residences" means. Is this referring to the fact that there are many homes, or that they were released piecemeal over time? The article and the hook should probably be reworded slightly to be more clear.
• Hook 2: The article says according to historian A. H. Millar, "this legend rests upon no reasonable foundation". Now this might just be me, but I'm not sure that quite implies tat the assertion in the poem was "erroneous". We know that there's no real basis for the claim, but that's not the same as saying the claim is false, is it? It might be true but we just have no evidence...
• Hook 3: I'm not seeing "and was later referred to as a curse" anywhere in the article. The Herald Scotland ref [25] is used three times, but none of those say anything in particular about curses.

@Kj cheetham: I'd suggest these three things be addressed, and then (once the QPQ is done) we can go with any of the three hooks, they're all quite interesting. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thank you for that, all good points. I've modified two of the hooks to address some of the issues, and added a mention of the curse to the article itself. I think you may have missed seeing the other hook about rent reduction though. Given it's only my 2nd ever DYK I believe I'm exempt from QPQ, apologies I should have included a comment about that. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Amakuru, is there anything further I need to do with this? Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

New reviewer needed to take over the review; previous one has not responded in over a month. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Overall: @Kj cheetham: taking this review over. Good article! I'm going to assume good faith on the offline sources and proceed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:48, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

• I don't think the original image would have worked. I uploaded a new version of it to commons which still isn't great, but it's a little better. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:59, 31 October 2022 (UTC)