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Static IP template

[New section after the fact to fix my own having inattentive replied in the wrong place.]

Thanks for the welcome-template, painfully large though it be. Any particular reason for the {{Static IP}} element, though? From its documentation page, it's "helpful information to IP users and those wishing to warn or ban them". It's not helpful to me, so unless you're indeed 'wishing to warn or ban me', I'll be removing it, if that's OK with you. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
{{static IP}} is not part of {{Welcome to Wikipedia}} Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 01:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. Is it a different susbst'd template, then? Or has this greeter seemingly added it 'bespoke' some some reason? 109.255.211.6 (talk) 01:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No problem; they were added by two different editors about 2 1/2 years apart. Welcome_to_Wikipedia was added September 22, 2018‎ by
Thewolfchild. These deails are visible in this page's history. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 02:08, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
D'oh! Yes, of course, my bad. Sorry, I was evidently confused by it being added at the top of the talk page, inattention to the time stamp, and too much blood in my caffeine-stream. I might be trusty, but Back In the Day, new talk-page messages went at the bottom. Unless they're supposed to play some other role. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 03:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about it; we're all capable of error, especially when that pesky blood is getting in the way of caffeine delivery ;) Take it easy Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 04:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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wolf 02:11, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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@
Thewolfchild: See Template talk:Welcome to Wikipedia#Used of the "Static IP" template on opening salutations. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 02:16, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Yup, saw that, and commented there. Didn't realize this user had gone to a template-space talk page to start screaming about this... whatever this is. I'll state again that I'd like to know what "connotations" the user was referring to? While I know there is nothing wrong with adding a "static ip" template to an IP user talk page, I also know that falsely accusing another editor of violating the project's
wolf 02:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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There's no connotations to the template, suggesting what they are is screaming about it, and removal of it is Impermissible. OK, got all that. (That might or might not need a tag of some kind.) I think my comments already pretty clearly address the questions you now ask -- in what appears to me to rather peremptory and less than optimally civil terms, indeed, while we're offering critiques on that score. Could you perhaps clarify what part of that guideline removal of this is 'contrary to'? If it was intended as a normal talk-page message, it was added in a confusing and counter-intuitive manner -- witness my own confused replying to the wrong user. If it's supposed to hover at the top of the page as some sort of perma-header, I'm not aware of any requirement that that be maintained as such, nor can any immediately find any reference to such on the page you refer me to, so some considerably greater specificity would be useful. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 03:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added hundreds, perhaps thousands of these templates, and along with the thousands more on pages I've seen that we're already added by other users... I really don't think I've ever seen anyone react to it the way you have (one might even characterize it as an "over-reaction"). I don't see what you find so "confusing and counter-intuitive" about it, perhaps you could clarify that. And it is a "welcome" template... it says "welcome" right on it. It is placed at the top off the page automatically, and really, it doesn't make sense to have placed at the bottom, mixed in with other threads and notices. It could be over-looked. And while other contents can be removed, this one shouldn't. There are no hidden or alterior motives here.

You stated there were "unwanted connotations" to the template (twice! so far...) You have not clarified that (and yes, when you post a complaint, part of it in ALL CAPS, that's considered

secret cabal
I suppose) will loudly (in ALL CAPS I suppose) make a point of posting your location on talk pages... somewhere (even though that's not allowed and just not done)... you really believe that's the message here? You believe that's the actual intent of that template? If you believe that such sinister functions exist on this project, why take part? And if you you're so concerned about your location being revealed, then why are you plastering your IP address all over the place? Why not opt for an account that affords you the privacy you seek?

Lastly, per

WP:UP#CMT
:

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So as I said, it shouldn't have been removed and should probably go back. There's nothing evil going on here. I'm trying to address your concerns, but it would be helpful if your responses didn't provide vague/non-answers, while adding more accusations and comments that just need additional clarification. Thank you -

wolf 04:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Happy editing! Coryphantha Talk 12:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I notice you make positive contributions to wikipedia. You should make an account. I think you'd make for a good member of our community.VR talk 18:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I second Vice regent, make an account, you've already contributed so much, I agree!

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You’ve made very positive contributions and consistently contribute to talk page conversations. You should make an account, you’d make an EXCELLENT member of the WP community! (Not that you don’t already, but be recognized for your efforts! :))Spf121188 (talk) 03:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Adding my endorsement to the views above. Cbl62 (talk) 22:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Funny, because I came here to suggest the same thing! 109, your insight and contributions have been very helpful. While an account isn't required, you should consider
the benefits! --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Prior accounts

Have you used any prior account on Wikipedia? I'm thinking User:Ledenierhomme and his various socks. nableezy - 19:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk • contribs) [reply]

@Nableezy: I was fairly puzzled by this comment having been left on my talk page -- with your signature and an old datestamp, and none added by the actual message-sender. But apparently it's an unsigned c'n'p of this message that you originally left for EnlightenmentNow1792. Rather odd behaviour by most standards, but as nothing for that user. (I'd have left this on your own page, but evidently I can't; I assume due to unflagged semi-protection.) Just thought you might like to know. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:KEEPDECLINEDUNBLOCK

Hi there. Just FYI,

WP:KEEPDECLINEDUNBLOCK only applies to "currently active block"s. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 14:51, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

@Firefangledfeathers: Thanks, my bad on that then. Seems poor practice -- if not outright deceptive editing -- for users to partially remove a section of their talk page to leave the text of their request intact, but to disappear the response declining it, but I'll leave 'em to it. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 14:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not something I would recommend. It also broke the template formatting. shrug Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 14:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to say the same thing. It is not a good deletion as it breaks the unblock (and makes it look like it was not declined) but the block is no longer active. It is certainly not a good sign, but it is the users choice, it is their talk page. Slatersteven (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll throw it on the pile if there's another
WP:AN/I or similar about this user. Or more likely, when there's one, and if I'm around and have the spoons. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

NSPORTS

Perhaps a 1-on-1 will be more productive (

WP:N
reads that a page meeting SNG is presumed to be notable. Thus, I see the two problems being:

  1. Some sports listed leagues that should have been removed
  2. Some AfD participants blindly cite "Keep: meets NSPORTS"
  3. Some AfD participants are miffed that
    WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP
    , when a subject that meets NSPORTS doesn't have significant coverage identified (yet)

The participation criteria are now being revisited. A bit more drastic than I think was needed, but some specific sports' inaction brought this onto the whole of NSPORTS. OK. I just don't see where we now need to further neuter "Keep: meets NSPORTS" because NSPORTS "relies" on GNG. Interested in your ideas. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 06:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bagumba: I don't know much about its origins, though I did once rashly look at the beginning of the page history. The previous text and its "presumptions" were a mess, and that people had very different takes on its meaning doesn't necessarily make either faction vexatious wikilitagators. Yes, I agree with all three of your two problems. (50% extra free!) Getting over my initial despair at seeing what at first sight looked like stonewalling and zombie-ing of the RfC changes, I do now have a better understanding of how they're crucially different: we're now consistently using "likelihood" rather than "presumption", in the guideline lead, body sections, and Beanie's proposal. How likely "likely" has to be is a little open-ended, and it wouldn't have to be as near-infallible as I was thinking when I made my comment at the Wikiproject. So we're all good in that sense. Nor am I opposed, should it still be on the table, to reading the participation and achievement criteria as a longer-term stay of deletion than the one-week AfD timeframe. My purely personal impression is that any likely combination of these two sorts of metric still gives us weirdly sports-heavy inclusionism of what's essentially sportscruft, by weighting heavily to what's essentially back-page newspaper ephemera and its online counterpart. But I don't think that's foreseeably fixable, so it's not a windmill I plan to spend time and energy tilting at. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking of using you as a devil's advocate on a possible sport-specific proposal, but can also see if you're burnt out on what might possibly be a fait accompli. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 00:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to here out any such proposal, it's more the roiling mass at the RfC and the guideline page that I despair of. Nothing promised mind you! If I were a gambling person, I might speculate that we were going to see more rumbling between the two camps. On the one hand, we'll have people who think that 'likely' means 51% of people who were NFL-adjacent across all time obviously pass GNG, as measured by the quaint-sounding local paper or some scrappy website, so they should be covered. On the other, that it means 99.99% of people in that precise cohort, and they've had a feature in the NYT or a bestselling book written about them. But as it's just determining a likelihood, which procedurally is just the difference between a PROD and an AfD, in theory it should matter much less and be less heated... right? In practice, who knows. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 13:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Will see how it goes. Even if it's 100%, somebody moved the goalposts by saying they didn't want an SNG that someone could take and mass-produce stubs.—Bagumba (talk) 13:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how that's even feasible. Short of saying "no stubs" or "here's a quota on your stubs". As I recall, the RfC supported Cbl62's "you need more than a DB-type source", so that doubtless makes it harder and slowly, but you could clearly write as many stubs as you like with sources... 109.255.211.6 (talk) 14:15, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Indent

No you indented it as a reply to me, you add an 1 indent to reply to a user.

like this.
If you wish to reply to that comment you do it like this.
If you wish to reply to the first comment you do it like this.

You indent is so that is is one "indent" from the user you're replying to.Slatersteven (talk) 14:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@
u}}s for added clarity, where I think to anticipate common-sense not being available, but I certainly won't be adopting the equal-ident practice you're instructig. And would urge others to abandon it too! Without any actual hope of being heeded. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 15:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Given the tone of the page (in general) I am not assuming anything about peoples intent. Slatersteven (talk) 15:09, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You make a very valid point on that score. I'll endeavor to err on the "making it maybe more explicit than necessary" side, where spoons are available. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 15:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Sources

News sources that explicitly debunk your POV: AFP,[1] BBC,[2] DW,[3] CNN,[4] WashPo,[5], Financial Times,[6].

The acknowledged scholarly experts (A. Umland, K. Fedorenko, A. Shekhovtsov, and others) publishing in Peer-reviewed academic journals that explicitly debunk your POV:

Gomza, I., & Zajaczkowski, J. (2019). Black Sun Rising: Political Opportunity Structure Perceptions and Institutionalization of the Azov Movement in Post-Euromaidan Ukraine. Nationalities Papers, 47(5), 774-800.

Fedorenko, K., & Umland, A. (2022). Between Frontline and Parliament: Ukrainian Political Parties and Irregular Armed Groups in 2014–2019. Nationalities Papers, 50(2), 237-261.

Umland, A. (2019). "Irregular Militias and Radical Nationalism in Post-Euromaydan Ukraine: The Prehistory and Emergence of the “Azov” Battalion in 2014." Terrorism and Political Violence, 31(1).

Fedorenko, K. Umland, A. (2019). "Zwischen Front und Parlament: Freiwilligenverbände und Parteien in der Ukraine." OSTEUROPA, 69. Jg., 3 4/2019, 163-176.

- EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 11:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220325-azov-regiment-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war
  2. ^ https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60853404
  3. ^ https://www.dw.com/en/the-azov-battalion-extremists-defending-mariupol/a-61151151
  4. ^ https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/29/europe/ukraine-azov-movement-far-right-intl-cmd/index.html
  5. ^ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/06/ukraine-military-right-wing-militias/
  6. ^ https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725c2d
Not only might you want to
WP:CIVIL, and to avoid baseless surmise as to what my "POV" might be and whether I allow it to affect my editing, you should perhaps consider keeping editing disputes on a particular topic on that article's talk page, unless there's some strong reason to do otherwise. You wouldn't want to give the impression you were going out of your way to pick fights in other venues. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Invitation to the London Bridge Task Force

Hello! You seem to have an interest in the recent death of

talk) 23:53, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Very kind of you to ask, but I've found it's better for my peptic disposition not to 'sign up' to things on Wikipedia. So likely I'll be keeping my contributions, if any, to be ad hoc. But I'll be sure to drop by if I come across something in need of centralised discussion. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:13, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"better for my peptic disposition" is the new way I'm getting out of washing the dishes. FrederalBacon (talk) 04:47, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck with that strategy! 109.255.211.6 (talk) 04:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RFC stuff

Howdy. Will you please place state your position in the 'survey section' of the Ocean RFC. GoodDay (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why? As far as I'm aware,
overdoing it a tad. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Liz I, II, Russia

So, quick note, the Queen Elizabeth disambiguation page doesn't mention russian liz at all. I understand she was empress, not queen, but considering the interchangeability of terms (the DAB mentions Empress Elisabeth of Austria), I'm surprised it doesn't mention her. FrederalBacon (talk) 04:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Same issue really; Russian Liz's article doesn't mention the exact term either, and in that case there's no subsidiary article that's a more strictly DABRELATED-compliant target. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 05:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trickle-down economics lede

T⋡ 05:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@
WP:LEADCITE. Please consider reverting your own revert entirely, or if not, then at least making some more constructive partial revert, addressing the points raised. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 05:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Who is this?

Hi Unnecessarily (talk) 15:22, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was invited by Adakiko to enter a discussion on his talk page. I didn't realize there would be other people offering advice. I shall indeed make myself acquainted with the two you suggested, and then hopefully get back to the conversation. 

Unnecessarily (talk) 15:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Talk pages are public, so it's always a possibility. Or risk, depending how you want to look at it. I just happened to be on Adakiko's talk page for another matter entirely, and just happened to notice your comments. No more to it than that. As for the discussion about the article, it might also be more productive to have that discussion on
Talk:Gordon Williamson (writer). That makes it easier to organise them by topic and sub-topic, rather than 'my edits vs your edits'. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 15:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
Yes i thought the page talk would have been better, but Adakiko contacted me on my talk and invited me to theirs....so what do you do?? Unnecessarily (talk) 16:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously you can do either -- or both, or neither. But if you want to get into the specifics of each part of your (prior or possible future) changes to a particular article, that talk page is generally the best venue in the first instance. I'm sure Adakiko is able to answer any questions relating ti their own conduct, or other matters you might wish to raise. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 17:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Again, welcome! SpyridisioAnnis Discussion 15:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very kind, but as you can see on this very page, I had a very similar template-welcome about four years ago! 109.255.211.6 (talk) 18:30, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Charles III RFC

FWIW, your position at the RFC (at Charles III) that DrKay has opened (concerning the infobox), comes across a tad incoherent. I'm not entirely certain as to what you're arguing for. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Still can't get direct answer out of you. Can't say I didn't try. GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"You didn't try." Ask me an actual meaningful question and I may (or may not!) answer it. If you just say "I don't understand", and "it's incoherent", then not so very likely at all. Also, comments at the bottom of the page, please, or topically related. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly are you proposing for the infobox? At the moment it says "
Commonwealth realms", bit. GoodDay (talk) 20:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Letting you know, an edit-conflict between us created a mess on the talkpage. I had to revert your post, to correct the mess. GoodDay (talk) 23:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently my bad, though in a rather weird way. Runaway nowiki in one of my (much) earlier comments eating everything in between when I then used a second one. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No prob. GoodDay (talk) 00:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contacting the other WikiProjects

Later today, I'll contact the rest of the WikiProjects about the Charles III task force. Like WP:Saint Lucia, WP:Papua New Guinea, etc. GoodDay (talk) 11:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's grand. I just went with the countries that had flagged themselves as "Top-Importance" interested parties on the article talk page. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 23:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

March 2023

talk) 16:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Yeah, no. Maybe slow down a little and pay a bit more attention to what you're reverting, please. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Create an account!

109, you've proven yourself time and time again to be an excellent contributor to talk page discussions and unprotected articles, even if we don't always agree on everything. I know that you know the benefits to account creation, so I'm not going to condescendingly remind you of them, but I do think you should consider; it would make changing content in Charles's article easier, for example.

Best wishes, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're too kind, Tim! And the frustrations of the ChuckTres article saga have made me consider it, not gonna lie... 109.255.211.6 (talk) 19:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if CIII gets a bit acrimonious sometimes. Unfortunately, that's what happens when 4 different editors who disagree on matters of Wikipedia's royalty policy and guidelines are put into a task force and have to broker some form of deal in a limited timeframe that has to also be accepted by the wider community. Hopefully it ends up alright; if not, try and try again. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, acrimony-wise I've seen worse. Much worse. It's just a bit dispiriting when a small handful of us are trying to make improvements at a finite pace, and others appear to be endlessly kicking for "no consensus", "'maintain' it at B-grade", "have it how I like it" and "no nothing for an arbitrary period of time" touch. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 21:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, you win. I reserve the right to grumble about it extensively after the fact. 109.etc (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair 'nough. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Great job pushing the DYK section on Talk:Charles III on a path toward archiving (hopefully)! In all seriousness, the section probably would have languished on the talk page for another year or two if you hadn't noticed it.

By the way, I'm glad to see you active again. You're a great editor and Wikipedia is lucky to have you around. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My word, an anonstar! Thanks, I'm suitably tickled. I don't know if "active" is necessarily quite accurate, but I do find myself making the occasional copyedit on some random article I've looked at for some random reason. Then I find myself looking at the horrorshow that is the C3 lead again, and... OK, that is activity, of a sort! It's how they suck you back in... 109.255.211.6 (talk) 14:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rideau Hall

Please see https://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/dfhd/page_fhbro_eng.aspx?id=2795 Rideau Hall is a vice-regal residence. It is the official residence of the governor general. Wellington Bay (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And of the monarch. But even if it were not, then there'd be a similar conflict between the lead and the infobox. Either way, one or both would have to change so as not to be in apparent contradiction to the other. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 18:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1) According to the Parks Canada website:

"The Rideau Hall Complex contains the official residence, the landscaped grounds and the outbuildings, which together constitute the vice-regal estate of the Governor General of Canada." No mention is made of the monarch or of it being a
royal residence.[1]

2) According to Canadian Heritage's schools page Rideau Hall is the:

"Official Residence of the Governor General of Canada" again no mention made of it being a royal residence[2]

3) The Governor General's website says Rideau Hall is:

"has been the official residence of every governor general of Canada since 1867 and their workplace since 1940." No mention of it being the King or Queen's official residence[3]

4) The website of the National Capital Commission, which administers the property, says:

"Rideau Hall has been the official residence and workplace of every governor general of Canada since 1867." Again, with no reference to it being a royal residence or the residence of the monarch.[4]

5) The Government of Canada (National Capital Commission) publication Official Residences of Canada says:

"Rideau Hall is a National Historic Site of Canada and has been the official residence and workplace of every governor general of Canada since 1867. Traditionally the home and workplace of the Governor General, Rideau Hall has played a prominent historical and constitutional role in Canada since Confederation." (pg 24) with no mention anywhere of it being a "royal residence" or official residence of the King or Queen.[5]

6)A Crown of Maples on page 5 has a portrait of the Queen with the following cutline:

"QUEEN ELIZABETH II STANDS BEFORE A PORTRAIT OF HER GREAT-GREAT-GRANDMOTHER QUEEN VICTORIA, PHOTOGRAPHED AT RIDEAU HALL, THE RESIDENCE OF THE GOVERNOR GENERAL. OTTAWA, ONTARIO. JULY 1, 2010" Note that even though the Queen here is in situ in Rideau Hall itself, the building is not described as her official residence but as "the residence of the governor general".[6]

Wellington Bay (talk) 19:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see now you've attempted an Alexandrine solution by cutting out all reference whatsoever. Except that that just moves the Gordian Knot problem to the Rideau Hall article itself. Should it not describe that residence in those terms? 109.255.211.6 (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, because the sources do not support such a description. See also Government House, Canberra, Government House, The Bahamas, King's House, Jamaica (which despite the name, is not described as the official residence of the King), Government House, Wellington etc which are all described as the official residence of the governor general without qualification and without reference to also being an official residence of the monarch. The notion that Rideau Hall is a royal residence or official residence of the monarch is an inference but it's not supported by sources. Wellington Bay (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources for the characterisation are given on that article, so one would have to investigate whether they were insufficient. Those other places are, as I understand it, not official royal residences. But that does nothing to establish that those first two aren't. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing on the official sites for those structures, or indeed on the official webpage for the King of Canada[7] that make any reference to Rideau Hall or La Citadelle being royal residences. This seems to be an invention of monarchists that is unsupported by any official sources. Wellington Bay (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, but the point stands. "Government House (“Rideau Hall”) is the official residence of Her Majesty The Queen (when in Ottawa) and her representative in the federal jurisdiction — the Governor General." From the first of the six sources given on that article. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the one who added that reference in the first place. How many days in the past 125 years has a monarch actually been in Ottawa? 40 days would be a generous estimate. That's an average of 8 hours a year. That means even if that line, which isn't part of the main text but just a photo caption, is accurate Rideau Hall is literally the monarch's official residence 0.1% of the time. Wellington Bay (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it really necessary for me to point this is a wholly WP:OR argument as to what an "official residence" is? And an incorrect one at that, given the various "official residences" that go entirely unused by particular incumbents? 109.255.211.6 (talk) 16:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not suggesting using the 0.1% figure in the article - but making the point that if the photo caption source says that Rideau is the official residence of the monarch when he is in Ottawa, that actually doesn't amount to very much. The fact remains that official sources make no mention of the residence being a royal residence - this seems to be an interpolation by monarchists rather than anything officially stated by the NCC (which administers the property) or the Department of Canadian Heritage or Governor General's office. Wellington Bay (talk) 16:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It still amounts to more than what's reflected in your current revision, however. Are you opposed to a possibly-lower-prominence statement to that effect appearing in the article? 109.255.211.6 (talk) 16:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Y'all gone fixed ma spellin'

It was meant to be read with a southern drawl. lol

Thanks for the correction.

MIESIANIACAL 21:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Oops, apologies if any rules have been broken, or any jokes ruined! 109.255.211.6 (talk) 21:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, no, it was entirely yet another one of my typos. Your edit summary gave me a laugh, though. Plus, since youre in "anon mode", there's no other way to thank you for an edit. --
MIESIANIACAL 23:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
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April 2024

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I think "fixing indents and bullets" is generally regarded as a legit exception to this, and is certainly not comparable to "making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments". Especially as hitting "reply" to an RfC OP leads to inconsistent behaviour in this respect. But I'll of course defer to anyone wishing to change it back... 109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree that indentation style changes to comply with
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I'd forgotten about the accessibility reasoning to be honest. Or maybe I've 'internalised' it as the underlying reason... I'd have thought it was such an instance (per the fourth example). Albeit it's the final element, and maybe was intended as a "comment" rather than a "!vote", so I might be wrong about that. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 21:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for the thought, but I'm not at all knowledgeable about matters Canadian, and as a strategy I'm deliberately avoiding 'signing up to' anything on WP. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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