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Ancient Israeli (Palaestina region) references

  • c. 450 BCE:
    Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision."[7][8]
  • c. 340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them." This is understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[9]
  • c. 150 BCE:
    Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time [reign] of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine."[10][11][12]
  • c. 130 BCE: Agatharchides (5.87, quoted in Diodorus Siculus's Bibliotheca historica; Strabo's Geographica, and Photios' Bibliotheca): "Near (Tiran) island is a promontory, which stretches towards the Rock of the Nabataeans and Palestine."[13][14][15][16][17][18]
  • c. 30 BCE: Tibullus, Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems: "Why tell how the white dove sacred to the Syrians flies unharmed through the crowded cities of Palestine?"[19][20]
  • c. 2 CE: Ovid, Ars Amatoria: "the seventh-day feast that the Syrian of Palestine observes."[21][22]
  • c. 8 CE: Ovid, Metamorphoses: (1) "...Dercetis of Babylon, who, as the Palestinians believe, changed to a fish, all covered with scales, and swims in a pool"[23] and (2) "There fell also Mendesian Celadon; Astreus, too, whose mother was a Palestinian, and his father unknown."[24][22]
  • c. 17 CE: Ovid, Fasti (poem): "When Jupiter took up arms to defend the heavens, came to Euphrates with the little Cupid, and sat by the brink of the waters of Palestine."[25][22]
  • c. 40 CE:
    Philo of Alexandria, (1) Every Good Man is Free: "Moreover Palestine and Syria too are not barren of exemplary wisdom and virtue, which countries no slight portion of that most populous nation of the Jews inhabits. There is a portion of those people called Essenes.";[26] (2) On the Life of Moses: "[Moses] conducted his people as a colony into Phoenicia, and into the Coele-Syria, and Palestine, which was at that time called the land of the Canaanites, the borders of which country were three days' journey distant from Egypt.";[27][28] (3) On Abraham: "The country of the Sodomites was a district of the land of Canaan, which the Syrians afterwards called Palestine."[29][30]
  • c. 43 CE: Pomponius Mela, De situ orbis (Description of the World): "Syria holds a broad expanse of the littoral, as well as lands that extend rather broadly into the interior, and it is designated by different names in different places. For example, it is called Coele, Mesopotamia, Judaea, Commagene, and Sophene. It is Palestine at the point where Syria abuts the Arabs, then Phoenicia, and then—where it reaches Cilicia—Antiochia. [...] In Palestine, however, is Gaza, a mighty and well fortified city."[31][32][30]
  • c. 78: Pliny the Elder, Natural History, Volume 1, Book V: Chapter 13: "Next to these countries Syria occupies the coast, once the greatest of lands, and distinguished by many names; for the part which joins up to Arabia was formerly called Palaestina, Judaea, Coele,[b] and Phoenice. The country in the interior was called Damascena, and that further on and more to the south, Babylonia."; Chapter 14: "After this, at the point where the Serbonian Bog becomes visible, Idumea and Palaestina begin. This lake, which some writers have made to be 150 miles in circumference, Herodotus has placed at the foot of Mount Casius; it is now an inconsiderable fen. The towns are Rhinocorura and, in the interior, Rafah, Gaza, and, still more inland, Anthedon: there is also Mount Argaris";[33] Book XII, Chapter 40: "For these branches of commerce, they have opened the city of Carræ, which serves as an entrepot, and from which place they were formerly in the habit of proceeding to Gabba, at a distance of twenty days' journey, and thence to Palæstina, in Syria."[34][30]
  • c. 80: Marcus Valerius Probus, Commentary on Georgics: "Edomite palms from Idumea, that is Judea, which is in the region of Syria Palestine."[35]
  • c. 85: Silius Italicus, Punica: "While yet a youth, he [Titus] shall put an end to war with the fierce people of Palestine."[36][37]
  • c. 90: Dio Chrysostom, quoted by Synesius, refers to the Dead Sea as being in the interior of Palestine, in the very vicinity of "Sodoma."[38]
  • c. 94: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: "...these Antiquities contain what hath been delivered down to us from the original creation of man, until the twelfth year of the reign of Nero, as to what hath befallen us Jews, as well is Egypt as in Syria, and in Palestine."[39][30]
  • c. 94:
    Mesraim, being eight in number, possessed the country from Gaza to Egypt, though it retained the name of one only, the Philistim; for the Greeks call part of that country Palestine."[40]
  • c. 94:
    Coelesyria."[41]
  • c. 97: Josephus, Against Apion: "Nor, indeed, was Herodotus of Halicarnassus unacquainted with our nation, but mentions it after a way of his own... This, therefore, is what Herodotus says, that "the Syrians that are in Palestine are circumcised." But there are no inhabitants of Palestine that are circumcised excepting the Jews; and, therefore, it must be his knowledge of them that enabled him to speak so much concerning them."[42][30]
  • c. 100: Statius, Silvae, refers to "liquores Palestini"[43][22] and "Isis, ...gently with thine own hand lead the peerless youth, on whom the Latian prince hath bestowed the standards of the East and the bridling of the cohorts of Palestine, (i.e., a command on the Syrian front) through festal gate and sacred haven and the cities of thy land."[44][45]
  • c. 100:
    Media, to conquer Syria and Palestine, to put to death the kings of the royal line of Seleucus, and carry away their wives and daughters by violence."[46] and "The triumph [of Pompey] was so great, that though it was divided into two days, the time was far from being sufficient for displaying what was prepared to be carried in procession; there remained still enough to adorn another triumph. At the head of the show appeared the titles of the conquered nations; Pontus Armenia, Cappadocia, Paphlagonia, Media, Colchis, the Iberians, the Albanians, Syria, Cilicia, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Palestine, Judea, Arabia, the pirates subdued both by sea and land."[47]
  • c. 100: Achilles Tatius, Leucippe and Cleitophon and other love stories in eight books: "Your father did not return from his absence in Palestine until two days later; and he then found a letter had arrived from Leucippe's father—it had come the very day after our flight—betrothing his daughter to you."[48] Dimadick (talk) 16:55, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Palestine was the name used by all the Greek and Roman sources, centuries before the Bar Kokhba revolt. I don't particularly care about your opinion about the Arab–Israeli conflict or modern politics in general. What I do care is your tendency to remove geographic names and to parrot pro-Israeli propaganda. That was why I was telling to actually read the article. Dimadick (talk) 16:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not talking about the modern conflict, I am talking about history. The Greek names and the historicaly correct names don't match up.
Seleucid Empire vassal (140–110 BCE)
Independent kingdom (110–63 BCE)
Client state of the Roman Republic (63–40 BCE)
Client state of the Parthian Empire (40–37 BCE)
  • Herodian Kingdom
conquest of Hasmonean kingdom
37 BCE
formation of Tetrarchy
4 BCE
4 BCE–6 CE
Herod Archelaus (as Ethnarch)
4 BCE–39 CE
Herod Antipas (as Tetrarch)
4 BCE–34 CE
Philip (as Tetrarch)
4 BCE–10 CE
Salome I (as Toparch)
37 CE–44 CE
Herod Agrippa I (as King)
Siege of Jerusalem (587 BC)
c. 586 BCE
Cyrus's invasion of Babylonia
c. 539 BCE
etc.
As i said, the names don't match up. Also, you can see that the Greeks referred to Syria Palaestina at some point.

AstroSaturn (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Rabinowitz, Nick. "Herodotus Timemap". Timemap.js – Open Source Javascript library. nickrabinowitz.com. Archived from the original on 7 March 2018. Retrieved 12 December 2014. Book 1, Ch.105: From there they marched against Egypt: and when they were in the part of Syria called Palestine, Psammetichus king of Egypt met them and persuaded them with gifts and prayers to come no further. So they turned back, and when they came on their way to the city of Ascalon in Syria, most of the Scythians passed by and did no harm, but a few remained behind and plundered the temple of Heavenly Aphrodite.
  2. ^ Jacobson 1999, p. 65.
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  4. ^ Herodotus' Description of the East Mediterranean Coast, Anson F. Rainey, Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research, No. 321 (Feb., 2001), pp. 57–63
  5. ^ Rabinowitz, Nick. "Herodotus Timemap". Timemap.js – Open Source Javascript library. nickrabinowitz.com. Archived from the original on 7 March 2018. Retrieved 12 December 2014. Book 3, Ch.5: Now the only apparent way of entry into Egypt is this. The road runs from Phoenicia as far as the borders of the city of Cadytis, which belongs to the so-called Syrians of Palestine. From Cadytis (which, as I judge, is a city not much smaller than Sardis) to the city of Ienysus the seaports belong to the Arabians; then they are Syrian again from Ienysus as far as the Serbonian marsh, beside which the Casian promontory stretches seawards;from this Serbonian marsh, where Typho is supposed to have been hidden, the country is Egypt. Now between Ienysus and the Casian mountain and the Serbonian marsh there lies a wide territory for as much as three days journey, terribly arid.
  6. ^ Rabinowitz, Nick. "Herodotus Timemap". Timemap.js – Open Source Javascript library. nickrabinowitz.com. Archived from the original on 7 March 2018. Retrieved 12 December 2014. Book 7, Ch.89: The number of the triremes was twelve hundred and seven, and they were furnished by the following: the Phoenicians with the Syrians of Palestine furnished three hundred; for their equipment, they had on their heads helmets very close to the Greek in style; they wore linen breastplates, and carried shields without rims, and javelins.These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine.
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     • [4.39.1] ...the second [peninsula], beginning with Persia, stretches to the Red Sea, and is Persian land; and next, the neighboring land of Assyria; and after Assyria, Arabia; this peninsula ends (not truly but only by common consent) at the Arabian Gulf, to which Darius brought a canal from the Nile.
     • [4.39.2] Now from the Persian country to Phoenicia there is a wide and vast tract of land; and from Phoenicia this peninsula runs beside our sea by way of the Syrian Palestine and Egypt, which is at the end of it; in this peninsula there are just three nations.
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  18. ^ Strabo (1889). The Geography of Strabo. H. G. Bohn. p. 204. Next is the island of Phocae (Seals), (Sheduan. The "Saspirene insula" of Ptolemy) which has its name from those animals, which abound there. Near it is a promontory which extends towards Petra, of the Arabians called Nabataei, and to the country of Palestine, (The meaning of Strabo seems to be, that this cape is in a direction due south of Petra and Palestine) to this [island] the Minaei, Gerrhaei, and all the neighbouring nations repair with loads of aromatics. (p. 204 at Google Books) {{cite book}}: External link in |quote= (help)
  19. ^ "Tibullus and Sulpicia: The Poems, Translated by A. S. Kline". Poetryintranslation.com. Retrieved 2011-12-11.
  20. ^ Feldman 1996, p. 566.
  21. ^ "Latin quote: Quaque die redeunt, rebus minus apta gerendis, culta Palaestino septima festa Syro". Thelatinlibrary.com. Retrieved 2011-12-11.
  22. ^ a b c d Feldman 1996, p. 565.
  23. ^ Book IV, 45-46 "...Babylonia, narret, Derceti, quam versa squamis velantibus artus stagna Palaestini credunt motasse figura an magis, ut sumptis illius filia pennis extremes albis in turribus egerit annos, nais an ut cantu nimiumque potentibus herbis verteritin tacitos iuvenalia corpora pisces"
  24. ^ Book V, 144-145 "occidit et Celadon Mendesius, occidit Astreus matre Palaestina dubio genitore creatus"
  25. ^ "Ovid: Fasti, Book Two". Poetryintranslation.com. Retrieved 2011-12-11.
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  27. ^ "Philo: On the Life of Moses, Book I". Earlychristianwritings.com. 2006-02-02. Retrieved 2012-09-16.
  28. ^ Philo (of Alexandria) (1855). "On the Life of Moses". The works of Philo Judaeus, the contemporary of Josephus. H. G. Bohn. p. 37. When then [Moses] he received the supreme authority, with the good will of all his subjects, God himself being the regulator and approver of all his actions, he conducted his people as a colony into Phoenicia, and into the hollow Syria (Coele-syria), and Palestine, which was at that time called the land of the Canaanites, the borders of which country were three days' journey distant from Egypt. (p. 37 at Google Books) {{cite book}}: External link in |quote= (help)
  29. ^ "Philo: On Abraham". Earlychristianwritings.com. 2006-02-02. Retrieved 2012-09-16.
  30. ^ a b c d e Schmidt 2001, p. 29.
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  44. ^ Publius Papinius Statius; Gustave Queck (1854). "Silvae". Publius Papinius Statius. B.G. Teubneri. p. 58. Isis, ...gently with thine own hand lead the peerless youth, on whom the Latian prince hath bestowed the standards of the East and the bridling of the cohorts of Palestine, (i.e., a command on the Syrian front) through festal gate and sacred haven and the cities of thy land. (p. 58 at Google Books & p. 163 at archive.org) {{cite book}}: External link in |quote= (help)
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 Confirmed to User:Breaker007. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I concur,  Confirmed. --Yamla (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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If i was blocked because of the page i created then i can only say: I USED MULTIPLE SOURCES. If not, then i honestly don't know what's wrong. I helped many Wikipedia pages by adding citations and correcting simple grammar. I made some misstakes at first, yes, but i learned how things work here. I have over 500 edits for a reason (respectively). So please, unblock me

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You were not blocked because of the content of your edits. Yamla (talk) 21:59, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This is my second unblock request. Again, i didn't do anything wrong. I helped Wikipedia pages with corrections and improvements. I used sources and neutral "words" in the pages that i created. I don't understand the reason why i am not allowed to edit anymore. If there is something wrong with my edits, then just tell me how i can correct it.

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What does this have to do with your abuse of multiple accounts? --Yamla (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Abuse" of multiple accounts? This is my second account. The first one was blocked for obvious reasons that I understand now. I don't get why THIS account is banned.

That's exactly what i was saying

"I made some misstakes at first but I learned how things work here"

What does THIS account have to do with my first one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroSaturn (talk • contribs)

Please read
WP:SOCK. Blocks apply to the person, not just the account. You personally are blocked. Until you successfully contest the block on the original account, you personally are not permitted to edit Wikipedia. --Yamla (talk) 11:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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How exactly can i "contest the block on the original account"? The main problem is
the banning of this account and I
need an exact answer as to why
am being banned here. The only
problem was the "Breaker"
account which is gone now. And
let me repeat: NOTHING that was edited
on THIS account was against the
rules. AstroSaturn (talk) 14:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Every single edit from this account was against the rules (
WP:SOCK). --Yamla (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
My question wasn't answered.
  • The only thing against the rules was my first account.
Why deleting all my edits? AstroSaturn (talk) 14:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
refuse to listen to what I'm telling you, I will not respond further. --Yamla (talk) 14:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
I literally just asked WHAT EXACTLY I CAN DO AstroSaturn (talk) 14:28, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AstroSaturn, here is what you must do in plain text: Stop editing completely on this account, go on your first account, Breaker07, and make an unblock request from your first account. You cannot make any further edits with this account as every single edit counts as a violation from the edit block. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good advice, but the username is User_talk:Breaker007. PhilKnight (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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