User talk:Doug Weller/Archive 46
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Wikidata weekly summary #267
- Discussions
- New request for comment: When multiple sources are cited for a fact, should IMDB be deleted as one of them when used
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Past: IRC office hour (read the full log here)
- Past: Online Wikidata workshop in French (Wikipédia:Soirées Wiki en ligne)
- Upcoming: Wikidata and SPARQL workshop and Celtic Knot Conference in Edinburgh
- Upcoming: Wikidata workshop during the Africa Open Data Conference, in Accra, Ghana, July 17-21
- A Wikidata workshop conducted in Bangalore
- Blog report about the second Wikidata workshop in the Czech Republic (in Czech)
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- Join the Cycle 3 of the Wikimedia Movement Strategy discussions, and debate about the challenges identified by the research
- Sitelinks for the new Kabiye Wikipedia (kbpwiki) can be added
- We reached Q31000000
- a dataset of 48,000 English questions have been mapped to Wikidata
- New Mix’n’match catalog: Irish National Inventory of Architectural Heritage
- COH Challenge: in July, add pictures from the Connected Open Heritage in Wikidata
- We asked the followers of the Wikidata Twitter account if they know about SPARQL
- The constraint check script has been turned into a gadget, and other news
- Platypus has started to learn Spanish
- WikidataCon: We reached 100 registrations, the event is complete for now. More tickets will be released in September. You can still register on the waitlist.
- WikidataCon scholarships applications are open until July 16th
- MySociety is hiring a community manager to work on EveryPolitician with Wikidata and SPARQL
- Did you know?
- Newest properties: parliamentary group, metrically compatible typeface, BVMC place id, MuseScore ID, RePEc institute ID, Principal Galaxies Catalogue ID, Australian Standard Geographic Classification 2006 ID, Australian Statistical Geography 2016 ID, checksum, Irish Grid Reference, Biodiversity Repository ID, Global Terrorism Database ID
- Query examples:
- Place of birth of the authors on Wikimammenn, the breton Wikisource
- First names of current French members of Parliament (source)
- Timeline of the births of current members of the French National Assembly (source)
- Family tree of Harry Potter characters (source)
- Map of mountains located in the Basque Country (source)
- Items with higher number of child statements than number of children (source)
- Pictures of Pharaos (source)
- Map of departemental archives in France (source)
- Newest gadgets: Units converter converts from 20 currencies to a selected currency. Converts metric units (mass, dimensions, area, temperature, speed) to/from United States units. The currency amounts are inflation adjusted if data is available.
- Development
- Worked more on support for lexicographical data and Wiktionary. The focus was on creating a necessary new datatype to link to Lexemes as well as making Glosses and statements on Glosses editable.
- Getting ready to migrate the constraints definitions from templates on the property talk page to statements on the property.
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In your field
Hi Doug, this SPI case seems like it is in your editing territory as far as the content that they are disputing. You may recognize some of the players as being more longstanding and be able to connect them to existing SPI case(s). Cheers,
— Berean Hunter (talk) 20:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section
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Yr deletion of my link to a reference
Doug, this is what I got: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indemnity&oldid=prev&diff=789270116 I found the link to the reference/source quite weak, so I wanted to add another one, i.e. the wikipedia article on External debt of Haiti itself holds more relevant sources and background info on the topic. You have a better way to link to the article or a better alternative? Sincerely SvenAERTS (talk) 12:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
- @WP:RS as they are crowd sourced. I thought you know how to link to articles using [[]]. I see I'm not the only one thinking some of your "see also" links are inappropriate, I hope you can see why. You may think you see a link but it really needs to be obvious. Ah, you should have put this at the bottom of my page. At the top of talk pages there's either a + or some text about new topic (not sure as I have my preferences set for the +). That opens an edit window at the bottom of the page. All the best. Doug Weller talk12:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Oathkeepers
Hi Doug.
I didn't, in fact change, any wording on the Oathkeepers entry, I merely rearranged the wording. I put what they say about themselves first and then put the opinions stated about them after that. You pride yourselves on being neutral. Please explain to me why this is considered a major edit. To me it was a more balanced and neutral approach. If I'm wrong in my understanding, I'd love to hear why.
thank you very much. — Preceding
- See far-right,"
- @Redtoadmedia: your edit rearranged the wording not for grammar reasons and adding "charged with being". Your edit summary made it clear you thought this was an important change: "leading sentence was accusation/opinion - making minor changes to reflect that." So, not a minor change. You haven't replied to my post about changing your username because it reflects a company name. Don't forget to sign talk page posts with 4 tildes, eg ~~~~. Doug Weller talk
References
- ^ "About Oath Keepers". oathkeepers.com. Oath Keepers. Retrieved 20 March 2016.
Administrators' newsletter – July 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2017).
- The RFC discussion regarding WP:OUTING and WMF essay about paid editing and outing (see more at the ArbCom noticeboard archives) is now archived. Milieus #3 and #4 received support; so did concrete proposal #1.
- The RFC discussion regarding
- Fuzzy search will soon be added to Special:Undelete, allowing administrators to search for deleted page titles with results similar to the search query. You can test this by adding
?fuzzy=1
to the URL, as with Special:Undelete?fuzzy=1. Currently the search only finds pages that exactly match the search term. - A new bot will automatically revision delete unused file versions from files in Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old.
- Fuzzy search will soon be added to Special:Undelete, allowing administrators to search for deleted page titles with results similar to the search query. You can test this by adding
- A newly revamped database report can help identify users who may be eligible to be autopatrolled.
- A potentially compromised account from 2001–2002 attempted to two-factor authentication. Currently around 17% of admins have enabled 2FA, up from 16% in February 2017.
- Did you know: On 29 June 2017, there were 1,261 administrators on the English Wikipedia – the exact number of administrators as there were ten years ago on 29 June 2007. Since that time, the English Wikipedia has grown from 1.85 million articles to over 5.43 million.
Hi. Please note the restoration of additions made here by topic banned user User:Peeta Singh being made by a new account User:Singh Azad. Regards, --Salma Mahmoud (talk) 10:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Salma Mahmoud: Thanks. Well spotted. I've blocked the sock and extended Peeta Singh's block to indefinite. Doug Weller talk 11:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Red link
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Weird Question on Chinese / Uyghur
Hey Doug -- I've got a weird question. Maybe you won't know the answer, but I thought it's worth a shot because you might be able to point me in the right direction. I'm looking to see if I might be able to recruit a Wikipedian who has a good command of English and basic Wikipedia policy
Anyhow, do you know of some way to hunt down and bother Wikipedians with specific language competencies. I have a feeling that about ten or fifteen minutes of the right editor's time would help me remove some stuff that's probably crying out for removal. I'm not asking you to go personally track anyone down -- I was just wandering if you might point me in the right direction. Alephb (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker)@Alephb: see User ug, where it appears there are a few users listed as native speakers as well as a number in the levels from beginner to intermediate.—Odysseus1479 04:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Odysseus1479:! Alephb (talk) 04:32, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- Follow-up question. It looks like none of the User ug guys are active on Wikipedia anymore. Is there any kind of Wikipedia policy or general practice on how to deal with references in languages no one who edits can read? I'm thinking of waiting a month or two, and then just start pulling the Uyghur sources cited and see if anyone objects. The original writer has only been AWOL a couple days, so I'd wait first to see if they show up. I wouldn't do that on a page which appears to have good work on it, but these two pages seem highly suspicious so far. For the record, if anyone wants to have a look-see, they're Tahir Imin and Uyghur Doppa Cultural Festival.
Question
I opened-up a RfC on the Husan Talk-Page, on 17 June 2017, but one of our fellow co-editors came along and put part of that section into a collapsible window, calling it "Other discussions" (See: [1]). Was he within his bounds for doing so, since the discussions were all relevant to the section? Secondly, who is qualified for closing the discussion?---Davidbena (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Davidbena: The RfC is still open, I just closed a general discussion area. Which AFAIK is not disallowed, and was suggested by another editor first. Also, I inform anyone visiting my user page that I am female, and would like to be addresses as such, and not as "he", or "his". Thanks, Huldra (talk) 20:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, Huldra, I know that you are a female (smile); for some reason, I thought that Nableezy had partially closed-off the section.Davidbena (talk) 20:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- Nah, Nableezy only asked to not discuss personal feelings on the topics at hand, I actually put the section into a collapsable window.
- Anyway, the important thing is that the RfC is still open, I would certainly never collapse an open RfC! And I assume whoever closes the RfC will read every word written there, collapsed or not, Huldra (talk) 21:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, Huldra, I know that you are a female (smile); for some reason, I thought that Nableezy had partially closed-off the section.Davidbena (talk) 20:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Donald Livingston
I didn't check the source thoroughly but the content is accurate. You can find supporting sources easily. 185.205.61.223 (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #268
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Upcoming: Africa Open Data Conference in Accra, including a Wikidata editathon on July 17th
- Past: Celtic Knot Conference, Edinburgh, including several presentations related to Wikidata (tweets about Wikidata during the conference)
- Past: WikiWomenCamp (including a Wikidata presentation by Harmonia Amanda)
- A visual exploration of musical bands on Wikidata, by RAW Graphs team
- WikidataCon
- Last days of the scholarship process! If you need to be funded for the WikidataCon, please fill the form before July 16th
- Which discussions, workshops, demos should be covered during the WikidataCon?
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- We have some real Meta data!
- The StrepHit team has submitted an official uplift proposal for the primary sources tool
- Migration of constraint definitions to property statements around July 12th
- Sitelinks for the new Atikamekw Wikipedia (atjwiki) can be added
- Citation management tool Zotero can now read data from Wikidata, and can write data from other sources to Wikidata via QuickStatements. See Wikidata:Zotero for details.
- New step towards structured data for Commons is now available
- One week after Q31000000 we have Q32000000
- Did you know?
- Newest properties: PalDat plant ID, openAIP ID, Ontario Heritage Act Register ID, NLS Geographic Names Place ID, NLS-FI Geographic Name ID, National Record of the Historic Environment ID, JewAge person ID, INSPIRE ID, ADK member ID, FRED time-series ID, danskfilmogtv person, danskefilm TV Christmas calendar, Crunchyroll ID, URN-NBN, Gedbas genealogy person ID, Framalibre ID, Finnish archaeological heritage ID, EGF rating, Carnegie Hall agent ID, assets under management, Atlas of Hillforts ID, dissertation submitted to
- Query examples:
- Scientific articles from PubMed that mention what version of STATA was used (source)
- 1000 places in UK that have no label in Welsh (source)
- Wikivoyage banners for French municipalities (source)
- Paintings with musical instruments from Spain or related to Spain (source)
- Images of things or persons in Wikidata with a Github account (source)
- Map of birthplaces of women who were educated in Edinburgh university (source)
- Newest database reports: reports with items that only have a P641-statement (sport)
- Development
- Search results will not only show labels but also descriptions with language fallbacks (gerrit:362215). Thanks to Matěj Suchánek!
- Fixed link to the file description page in the Image Header gadget (phab:T169558)
- Forms of the Lexeme are multi-variant (phab:T165575)
- Preparing a demonstration of referencing Forms and Sense of a Lexeme in statements (phab:T169716)
- Property constraint definitions will be migrated to statements (phab:T169647, Project chat)
- Implemented “Format” constraint (phab:T102752, help page)
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Please comment on Template talk:Locomotives and rolling stock of the Victorian Railways, predecessors and successors
The
Lost tribes
Why did you delete my changes regarding the lost tribes, this is authentic. Khytul Abaiz (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
- Replied on talk page, editor has a problem with lack of sources generally, especially with BLPs. Doug Weller talk 18:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Comparison of the founders of religious traditions
Hello again. I noticed this new interesting article lately,
- Followup: apparently the synthesis would be from ISBN 978-1-85168-599-8.. I'm not sure if it matters that the author mostly wrote on Baha'i and is probably a member? Maybe more fit for RSN? Thanks again, —PaleoNeonate- 15:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- @) 15:18, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- Go ahead. Unless the table is actually a representation of Momen. That was my first thought when I looked at it. Doug Weller talk 15:22, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- @) 15:18, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Snooping
What's with the needless rehashing of long sorted issues? Rusted AutoParts 20:05, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
A beer for you! (or something stronger if your prefer!)
It's a Friday- I apologise for misunderstanding you. Thanks for the post. Enjoy your weekend- cheers! — velut luna 20:22, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Citing sources
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Apology
It's now the cold light of day ;) I'd like to apologise again for my shortness of temper last night. It had been a long day, and, as I said to the other party, I should have stepped away from the keyboard earlier than I did. Anyway. Cheers, and have a good weekend. —
- @Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: hey, it's really not a problem. We all lose our cool sometimes. Doug Weller talk09:41, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oh no you don't :) but thanks for that. — velut luna10:02, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oh no you don't :) but thanks for that. —
looks like blocked ip has returned
This from
- Sorry to be slow, User:Ronz, but I thought about it and feel it would pointless. Doug Weller talk18:46, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Self Published Category
This is in regard to you re-inserting "self-published" back into the Trevor Loudon page. I looked at some of the other writers in this category and few specifically indicated "self published" on their pages. Susan Wittig Albert, James Altucher, Jane Austen, Peter Bagge, L. Frank Baum, Edgar Rice Burroughs (I stopped checking after "B".) are all in the "self published" category but it is not specifically indicated on their pages that they are self published. Why is it that the rules would be different for Trevor Loudon's page?TruthMatters (talk) 05:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- I think you've already answered own question; it's because being self-published isn't a notable part of the other's careers. Anmccaff (talk) 17:00, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
- They are all writers. They are all self-published. Would you mind clarifying your point?TruthMatters (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'd say User:Anmccaff has. I certainly understand. Anmccaff, TM has brought this up, without the context at the Teahouse. Doug Weller talk 20:44, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- I am relatively new, so I apologize if I am not going about this the right way. Where should I be making my case if not with the individual who negated my update?TruthMatters (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- @TruthMatters: right now on the article talk page to get WP:Consensus that it shouldn't be in that particular article. I can show you other articles that include it, but really it's the article in a question that matters. Doug Weller talk 21:02, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- Ok, I put my question in the talk page. Thanks for your help.TruthMatters (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'd say User:Anmccaff has. I certainly understand. Anmccaff, TM has brought this up, without the context at the Teahouse. Doug Weller talk 20:44, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
- They are all writers. They are all self-published. Would you mind clarifying your point?TruthMatters (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Odin
Sir, @Bloodofox: keeps on reverting to the version he likes, putting back original researh and removing sourced material. So far, he has not put forth an argument for how Edith Hamilton, the most renowned classicist of her era, is a supposedly "poor source", and he keeps on saying buzzwords like "inaccurate". Judging by the content of his user page, it seems futile to reason with him. Do you have any suggestions for what can I do?Music314812813478 (talk) 07:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- Oh looks like he already responded. Sorry about this.Music314812813478 (talk) 08:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Aheer
When we type Aheer ,No informations are there for our caste/Tribe. There is a page Ahir but it does not contain informations about Muslim Aheer in Pakistan.Whenever I tried to add or edit ,informations were deleted. How can i do this that they exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mujahid.iqbal.aheer (talk • contribs) 11:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
- @reliable sources. You haven't provided any. Doug Weller talk12:33, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #269
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Past: talk about Wikidata at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing by Lydia
- Past: Wikidata hackathon during Africa Open Data Conference in Accra
- Upcoming: Café OpenStreetMap e Wikidata, July 22nd, in São Paulo, Brazil
- Report of the workshop about election data (in German)
- Integrating Wikidata and other linked data sources – Federated SPARQL queries, on The SuLab
- WikidataCon
- The scholarship process is now closed. Recipients will be informed around July 25th.
- You can still suggest ideas for the program, or submit a project until July 31st. The program of the conference is made by the attendees, only what you bring will be in there :)
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- We now have a page describing our use of RDF
- We now have Q33000000
- The database reports about items without statements are updated again. English Wikipedia is up at 4.8% (from 4.6%). Dutch Wikipedia remains low at 0.8%.
- Check out some improvements to the Query Service, and a new prototype for the Query Helper
- New Wikidata maps with a comparison between October 2016 and July 2017
- Help improving Wikidata documentation during the Wikimania hackathon
- Did you know?
- Newest properties: NPSN Indonesian school ID, EmbassyPages.com ID, ESEC person ID, Titan ID, Who's Who in France biography ID, French National Assembly ID
- Query examples:
- Graph of operating systems (source)
- Couples of Members of Parliament in UK (source)
- People who have the same person listed as both their parent and their child (source)
- Map of “railway things” in Berlin, as classified by LinkedGeoData.org (source)
- Map of discovery locations of the objects stored in the Musée Saint-Raymond (source)
- metro stations in Germany with public domain images on Commons (source)
- UK Members of Parliament who are born out of the UK (source)
- Query examples:
- Development
- Preparing Lexemes demo for Wikimania
- Fixing links to non-entity namespaces (phab:T169221) (thanks to Matěj Suchánek!)
- Tracking labels of quantity units in parser and Lua functions (phab:T170167) (thanks to Matěj Suchánek!)
- Fixing checking of constraints on deprecated statements (phab:T170391)
- Improving the Query Service UI (phab:T170279)
- Improving wbsearchentities (phab:T103875)
- Removing links from printable version (phab:T87108)
- Adding customizable fallback to Special:GoToLinkedPage (phab:T166473)
You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.
- Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
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ArbCom
Hi. I have a quick question: Is the case is explicitly about me or it will examine the other party's behaviour too? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry!
I accidentally reverted one of your edits to a talk page...mobile device snafu...but promptly restored it. Sorry about that! Clean Copytalk 13:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Clean Copy: mobile reversion? Been there, done that, got the whole damn wardrobe. Doug Weller talk 13:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Content dispute
Can you help to solve the dispute[2]? Regards, 111.221.44.12 (talk) 16:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The notorious Fertile Crescent map is back
Hey Doug, checking through some of the Caucasus pages (Ingushetia, Chechnya, etc), I noticed that that good old map that weasel-ishly uses Nichols to attribute the Fertile Crescent civilizations to Nakh peoples is back. I removed it everywhere I could find it. Ironic that I'm always the one dealing with this as my own personal POV is that it is noteworthy that they've been theorized to have come from the Fertile Crescent and be related to its ancient peoples, but obv not in the nationalist POV-pushy way that the map embodies by claiming it as established fact, plus all the other issues with the map. The way it's drawn is bad and pedantic like a child's textbook, Nichols talked about languages not actual peoples which don't always match 100% so its effectively SYN, anachronism as the map is extended south to include Mecca which is given a special note, yet the city likely didn't even exist for the relevant time period of the migration, etc...). I think you know which user I'm talking about. I'm gonna be really busy the next few weeks potentially-- do you have a bit of time to deal with this if it comes back? Cheers. --
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Page mover
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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes
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Blocked user w Asra Nomani unlinking
Hello - I noticed that you were observant enough to identify a pattern of behavior with another user, and blocked them here.
It looks like a similar pattern is present here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WikiUser7
I hope that this is the appropriate pace to bring this to your attention. Let me know if I can comment further. KConWiki (talk) 02:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
- Good catch. Blocked. Doug Weller talk 17:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
unreliable refs
This ip don't want to stop adding this unreliable ref in Battle of Río Salado ([3]). I think it's the ip of this account (Iconic272). Kind Regards -Aṭlas (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Aṭlas: Sorry, busy. I see the editor was blocked. And that they've now got a new source. Can't confirm the sock possibility. Doug Weller talk 17:12, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Third Temple
Requesting article protection for
RfA
Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC) |
Wikidata weekly summary #270
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Upcoming: Wikidata SPARQL workshop, July 25th in Rennes (France)
- Upcoming: Ladies that FOSS, July 26th in Berlin
- Upcoming: Wikidata workshop in Montreal, August 14th (in French). We're looking for trainers!
- Using Wikidata as an open, community-maintained database of biomedical knowledge, by Andrew Su
- WikidataCon
- You can submit projects for the program until July 31st. See the list of ideas, existing submissions, and submit!
- Special tickets for scholarship recipients will be released on July 25th. The last 50 tickets will be released on September 1st.
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- wbEntity config variable will be deprecated
- Scores in ORES will be more accurate
- A new version of the Query Helper will be deployed
- Sitelinks for the new Dinka Wikipedia (dinwiki) have been added
- On Wikidata:Usability and usefulness you can see an overview of the work done by the UX people in the Wikidata team on usability
- There's a brand new newsletter about Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. You can subscribe to receive next updates.
- Ma Commune Wikipédia is a website developed by Wikimedia France to give information about the state of the Wikipedia articles for every French municipality and encourage people to edit the Wikimedia projects. It uses Wikidata to identify the communes.
- Did you know?
- Newest properties: Patrimonioculturale-ER ID, linguistic typology, annual energy output, USHMM person ID, Cinema Treasures ID
- Query examples:
- lib.reviews now allows searching Wikidata directly to choose subjects to review. (more info)
- Development
- The
wbEntity
JavaScript variable will not miss elements any more but contain empty arrays instead (gerrit:365604). Please check if this affects your scripts, and have a look at thewikibase.entityPage.entityLoaded
hook as a possible replacement. - Fire-fighting dispatch backlog: phab:T171263.
- Slowly making progress on wb_terms migration to full entity IDs: phab:T114903.
- Constraint statements have been enabled (announcement).
- Distinguish between non-mandatory and mandatory constraints: phab:T164254.
- Work on supporting unit conversion for more units: phab:T168582
- The
You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.
- Monthly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
- Suggested and open tasks!
- Contribute to a Showcase item.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!
Labour Party Marxists
Hello, I have replied to your nomination for deletion. Can you clarify more thoroughly exactly what you are claiming is "POV" about redirecting the title to that article, this seems to be not assuming good faith and is frankly quite lazy. Claíomh Solais (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
CfD issue with Removing category: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_July_25#Category:People_targeted_by_the_Anti-Defamation_League
It is policy and etiquette to NOT empty a category while the CfD discussion is still underway - however; in this case leaving the category remaining in the 17 or so articles means leaving a
- Excuse me, I think you need to wind your neck in, princess. My "alt-right action heroes"? Are you looking to get reported for personal attacks? Claíomh Solais (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Complains about User:Lyndonbaines and his IP minions
i have to speak out on this issue , because a User named Lyndonbaines is an Indonesian who is doing nothing but to troll philippine articles, further more he had been blocked a week ago (after he got numerous warning by deleting a sourced statements), but seems this user was using different types of Guerilla activity using several IP Address just to Troll articles which is related or included the Philippines. Recently in the section of the Women in the Philippines an IP troll had vandalized the article by putting irrelevant statements i suspected that this user owns the differen IP's what can we do about this ? thanks. there are various IPs he using including this 112.198.28.6 (Jasper0070 (talk) 07:38, 26 July 2017 (UTC))
I am a (talk page stalker) - not an admin. @Jasper0070:
- Dispute resolution If you simply disagree with his posts and are in conflict with the editor about article content, this link will help you understand your options.
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- Reporting blatant vandalism Again, this is NOT the place to settle disputes between editors or report contentious issues.
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Comments on my Talk page
Thanks for the advice on my Talk page. I will be more careful from now on. Please can you correct the cite errors your comment posting has caused there? Thanks!—Dona-Hue (talk) 19:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Changes to corrections made on "Neo-Confederates".
Hello,
Why would you change the improvements and factual changes I made to the article? Particularly the correction I made that the "Confederate Veteran" is the official publication of the Sons of Confederate Veterans organization. This is a FACT. Please explain why you vandalized the corrections I made to improve the article. Thank you.
- Did you provided 14:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Block modification
Hi Doug. I thought you might want to modify the block duration for this disruptive editor in the context of this talk page content and this edit summary while blocked for disruptive editing. Toddst1 (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Toddst1: I saw that and thought about it. But we tend to give blocked editors a bit of latitude to rant, and that's not as disruptive as some I've seen. But it does make me more inclined to consider something more drastic if they come back and continue the same behavior. Doug Weller talk 15:55, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Germans using a part of Mahabharat for anti-semitism in Bhagavad Gita page of Wikipedia
In India the vague concept of Aryans and Non-aryans started with Brahmins of European origin . And That this concept is used by Hitler in demanding India is a Aryans' country .And the concept is still that . It may some educated Indian concocted a gossiping out of the Epic 'Mahabharat' ehich is full of cock and Bull story ,and those being tried to be projected as History or as historical elements . And in that context some one has written a wild allegation , though the Book published in 2014 , there is no basis to that , it is absolutely a Brahminical gossiping , as them being the most scholarly catse , and got a good publisher , this is absolutely rubbish and just the opposite of the reality , The brahmins are Hindu Apartheid believers and prophets of Apartheid .There is no ant-semitism , it is Jewish idea that Hinduism is Apartheid in disguise .03:02, 30 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.199.182 (talk)
- Yes it was Illiya Ehrenburge who canme to India and clearly India Hindu by birth caste.Varna system as condemned to birth policy and clealry a hidden Apartheid and yhe Brahmins with a cleverly plan in their mind are trying to Project that they are actually the victims like the Jews. But the truth is just the other way . The Brahmins are the By Birth Preist of Varna/Caste Hindus and still socially the most priveldged class , and eveb in Gita , at the end of which book ,there is a chapter like Gitamahatyam , ehich preaches Brahminical Varna/Caste Apartheid , where The Brahmin is the most priviledged by birth , there is nothing common with the Brahmins and the Jews , This story ,though an Oxfprd Cooking is absolutely a plannned cooking of concocted cock and bull stories. It violates all the Principles of Wikipedia.03
- 11, 30 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.195.149 (talk)
Revert Question: For Doug or Talk-Page Stalkers
Let's say, super-hypothetically, that someone was thinking about putting some things together for an ANI, and needed to show a pattern of behavior in which editor XYZ kept making one kind of ridiculous edit despite many people telling them not to, and multiple people always reverting that edit. Is there a way, for a given user XYZ, to see a list of edits by XYZ that have been reverted? For demonstration purposes, let's say me, Alephb. Is there a way to look up all the times I've been reverted? Alephb (talk) 16:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Alephb: No, that's not possible so far as I know. The closest you can get, and that may not be close enough, is to use the editor interaction analyser[4]. You can put in editors names and ask it to find articles in common that they've edited. It gives the time between edits which might help. Doug Weller talk 18:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #271
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- wbsearchentities with ElasticSearch test
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- Development
- Added Special:NewItem to Special:SpecialPages (phab:T169456) Thanks to Matěj Suchánek
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last post
You said to use paragraphs. I did, but when I saved the post it removed them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.207.88 (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
paragraphs
Weller, I thank you for your message on paragraphs. When I create a new paragraph I simply do as I have done in all papers, I hit enter for the next paragraph right after the punctuation of the last sentence, and the next line I start with the sentence lettering and no spaces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.207.88 (talk) 19:44, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Articles
Weller, As far as posts on this subject dealing with editing and the article Nephilim, I am through with posting to you and others for it is a wasted effort, for truth, referenced works, definitions from the original language out of highly used referenced works that many scholars use, literary structure, and context, that leads and shows the word definition context, that give an article accuracy and truth is ignored, despised, and deleted by the writers who control Wikipedia. It was only on the Nephilim: talk page did I give the literary structure, and context, that leads and shows the word definition context. While on the article all I attempted to put on there was the true, accurate definition from the original language of the Old Testament from a highly used and recognized reference work, only to have it deleted because it didn't sit well with the writers of Wikipedia, How dare anyone put the truth on of your articles. I have stated on writers pages like yours my position and tried to comply with your demands, only to have them tossed aside. I have seen your writers (not you) attack, insult, demean great works that are highly used for reference out of bigotry. I have seen where the writers are allowed to do and say whatever they want, but when these writers are shown facts of what they are doing, then Wikipedia tells the outsider by the gist how dare they speak, how dare they tell the truth, and if you don't stop speaking, if you don't allow our writers to say whatever they want, do whatever they want, and speaking the truth and defending great works and oneself, then you will be blocked. A one way street. All Wikipedia's writers way, and no one else's. No truth. No accuracy. Just your way. So, it is a wasted effort to try to put accurate, referenced works on Wikipedia about the word Nephilim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.207.88 (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – August 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017).
- WP:300)
- Cprompt • Rockpocket • Rambo's Revenge • Animum • TexasAndroid • Chuck SMITH • MikeLynch • Crazytales • Ad Orientem
- Following a series of discussions around new pages patrol, the WMF is helping implement a controlled autoconfirmed article creation trial as a research experiment, similar to the one proposed in 2011. You can learn more about the research plan at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. The exact start date of the experiment has yet to be determined.
- A new speedy deletion criterion, regarding articles created as a result undisclosed paid editing, is currently being discussed (permalink).
- An WP:G13 to include all drafts, even if they weren't submitted through Articles for Creation.
- LoginNotify should soon be deployed to the English Wikipedia. This will notify users when there are suspicious login attempts on their account.
- The new version of XTools is nearing an official release. This suite of tools includes administrator statistics, an improved edit counter, among other tools that may benefit administrators. You can report issues on Phabricator and provide general feedback at mw:Talk:XTools.
For your interest
An another report regarding EddieDrood sock[5]. Thanks. 40.71.94.177 (talk) 13:29, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- SPI filed to document 40.71.94.177's efforts.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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Tardy response regarding the erroneous practice of partially inserting in-line citations
Hello Doug Weller, I apologise concerning my tardy response to your correction of the Wikipedian article entitled History of Egypt. I will apprehend this error. However, if it should occasion that one were unable to corroborate a claim made in an article either by cause of a weasel word or an incorrect assertion, then is it unerring to delete this claim?
Thank you
P.S. I have enjoyed the customary cookies! Epistemonaut (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2017 (UTC)Epistemonaut
sockpuppets
Hey Doug
This ip created a new account to restore his edits. + I'm thinking that this is a sockpuppet of Iconic272. Regards -Aṭlas (talk) 02:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. Doug Weller talk13:02, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
- What about his edit-warring behavior(+ Nectorbe) ? -Aṭlas (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
The Signpost: 5 August 2017
- Recent research: Wikipedia can increase local tourism by +9%; predicting article quality with deep learning; recent behavior predicts quality
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- Traffic report: Swedish countess tops the list
- Featured content: Everywhere in the lead
- Technology report: Introducing TechCom
- Humour: WWASOHs and ETCSSs
Hello, but please delete my user talk page, I thank you in advance. Alireza Badali 17:16, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #272
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- Released version 2.0.0 of the DataValues base component.
- Released the DataValues Interfaces component in version 0.2.3.
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- Fixed a problem with suggestions of P279 (phab:T169060)
- Preparing everything for Wikimania and the hackathon
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This user [6] is most probably sock of banned Bzazaian11 and is soaping across articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.105.171.15 (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
- At the moment I don't see that it is obvious. Checkuser is no good at Bzazaian11 is too old, but thanks for the information. Doug Weller talk 18:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Vaginal steaming
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Request for advice please
Hello Doug Weller. Please could you advise me? I have encountered an unexpected problem in editing at Battle for Caen, which was a major component of the invasion of Normandy in WW2. There was a "controversy" in that battle, in that things did not go at all according to the original plan, but after the war General Montgomery vociferously maintained the contrary, and claimed that the top American commanders had all completely misunderstood the plan. This controversy is widely acknowledged, and has been described in several of the reliable sources, so I have been attempting to add it to the article. However I have encountered some editors here – one a very experienced editor – who have gone to extraordinary lengths over several months to keep this info out of the article. Third opinions which do not support them have been ignored, and a recent DRN process ended inconclusively after they stone-walled it. Per my understanding of WP:NPOV, the article should represent "all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." WP:NPOV also says that this principle cannot be superseded by editor consensus. Am I misinterpreting the NPOV policy? Please could you advise me on this? Wdford (talk) 19:59, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Wdford: I think the advice you were given that the next stage is an RfC is correct. I'd advise you to work out a very simple one, stripped down to the essence of what you want. I see EnigmaMcmxc has suggested that about an hour ago. Avoid mentions of the behavior of other editors, don't bother about NPOV as that's been discussed to death. It's possible someone else might start an RfC, you might be better off waiting for that. Remember that significance is generally measured by how often reliable sources mention an issue. But as I said, in an RfC I wouldn't suggest relying on policy issues but just on what would improve the article. Hopefully any improvements will make the article more compliant with policy. Remember, an RfC will bring in more people as notices go out automatically to people most of whom won't have been involved in the article. I doubt very much this will ever reach ArbCom and really making such suggestions doesn't make it likelier that you'll get what you want. Robert's advice at DRN is good. The RfC should probably be something about should the article include such and such. Doug Weller talk 18:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
No Copyright Anymore
I've added new Uncopyright restricted sources to Yusufzai tribe article. I'm sorry for my earlier malicious action. Please check them out if you want to confirm. WarsHawk (talk) 06:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Question
Regarding User:Attack Helicopter, in all the back and forth it seems like this got dropped. Did anyone ever actually check to see if they were a D.H.110 sockpuppet or what? Morty C-137 (talk) 03:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #273
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- Upcoming: Wikifying Westminster: Wikidata workshop around UK political data, August 19th, London
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- Exploring the world with Wikidata and OpenStreetMap, by Mapbox
- Enriching catalogue pages in Evergreen with Wikidata by Dan Scott
- Why data partners should link their vocabulary to Wikidata: a new case study on Europeana blog
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- Talk: New Frontier: Using Wikidata on Commons by Jarekt
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- Talk: How to use Wikidata in infoboxes (panel)
- New template: A fully automated template system was presented: Oh!WTFs
- Talk: WikiCite: Citations needed for the sum of all human knowledge
- Notes about the Wikispecies & Wikidata session
- Documents to organize a Wikidata translathon: level 1, level 2, level 3 (by Kvardek_du) and the translathon tool (by Envel)
- Talk: Sum of all paintings is just the start, by Multichill
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dissonances between "White pride" and the others
I edited the page "white pride" to make it like the page "black pride", then it has been cancelled. So I decided to make the opposite, editing the black pride page to make it like the white pride and see the reaction. It has been cancelled as well ! So you can see that the problem doesn't come from me but you. Your story about "using reliable sources and not opinions" is totally wrong, all your sources about white nationalism come from people who are against them, and all the sources on the black pride page come from activists or people who favor it. It's obious that it's not ideologically neutral at all. I can choose sources about this subject that will not please you because it would argue that white people have the right to feel pride about being White, as Blacks or Asians have this right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saturne160 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- Replying on editor's talk page. Doug Weller talk 13:57, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
A beer for you!
for your heroic efforts to keep Antifa (U.S.) on the straight and narrow. E.M.Gregory (talk ) 16:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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Claíomh Solais
Hi - I'd really welcome your thoughts on how to handle Claíomh Solais. I'm finding their approach very disruptive and aggressive. It's clear this is a pattern repeated over a long range of articles with concerns raised by a number of editors (as clear from the user talk page). Thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Sanity check
Would you mind looking in at Froglich (talk · contribs) and reviewing my block? They posted about Vince Foster on their talkpage in what I view as deliberate boundary-pushing in defiance of their topic ban. I've ignored the header business now that they've made it clear that it's their refactoring effort, but I don't view userspace as a valid circumvention of a topic ban, and I believe there's precedent to back that up. I'm traveling and am about to head to a project site for the day, so I'm signing off shortly. Acroterion (talk) 11:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was reasonably certain of the policy but given my intermittent presence today more eyes are valuable, and I was pressed for time. Acroterion (talk) 15:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- No problem, always glad to help when I can. Doug Weller talk 15:33, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Checkuser
Could you run a quick checkuser for me, please? I have a probable DUCK sock of an indef blocked user and I need to confirm. The sock is Sjick14, the indef-blocked user is CaptainHog. SPI at the far bottom will have the most current IP and account information, of course. Also, could you check for any sleepers while you are at it? Diannaa usually handles these, but she is offline at the moment. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:06 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- I filed an SPI related to the above request. Just letting you know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:25 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you! - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:09 on September 3, 2016 (UTC) 16:09, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Untitled
I have continuously tried to enhance the Wiki Encyclopedia via research I have discovered. If I am doing it incorrectly, please help !e do it correctly.
The information is well documented, cited, and makes a valuable contribution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat (talk • contribs) 20:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Doug Weller, is it possible to change the protection level of history of India? 3 months is a little too much; Oshwah understood the dispute will be solved and wisely put a shorter protection time. But, it was increased by another admin without further consideration. As mentioned, I completely understand the reason, but 3 months is too much. Per the history of that page, IP editors made huge progress in improving that page. I hope you and Oshwah will reconsider. (50.29.96.214 (talk) 02:19, 18 August 2017 (UTC))
- I'll try to get to this tomorrow. Doug Weller talk 18:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
ANI mention
I've mentioned you in the thread at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#PA_is_irking_me, in relation to Nfitz. - Sitush (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Though I have to confess, I don't know why. I have no recollection of ever interacting with Doug Weller before your comment here - though searching, I do notice I posted a minor unforgettable detail about a sockpuppet you (Doug) were looking into about 6 months ago; and we did post on the same user talk page a couple of times (once in 2008, and once in 2016) but in different threads. Did I miss something User:Sitush - I have honestly got no idea what is being alleged here. Is there something I've forgotten, or the search engine didn't find? Nfitz (talk) 06:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Algerian war
A proposal at
- @WP:RFC I'd say. Doug Weller talk18:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #274
- Events/Press/Blogs
- Upcoming: Open Source Ladies, meetup for women who want to start coding for Mediawiki and other open source projects, August 22nd, Berlin
- Data Partnerships in Wikidata: Project Durchblick with Humboldt University by Jens Ohlig (in German)
- What do Wikidata and Wikipedia have in common? An analysis of their use of external references by Alessandro Piscoppo et al.
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- New documentation page: How to use Wikidata data on Wikimedia projects (feel free to help improving it)
- The growth of items continues: we have Q37000000 and even Q37500000; Scientific article (Q13442814) becomes the most used Wikidata item (source)
- More than 80K locations in Belgium added to Mix'n'Match
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- All places that are named "earth" in at least one language (source)
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- Added new language codes (eya, fuf, ood, pjt, yap, zun) for use in monolingual text values
- Fixed an issue with badges not being shown next to interwiki links on Wikipedia and co (phabricator:T172592)
- Worked on showing labels when linking to a redirect (phabricator:T96553)
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Formatting
Hello again. I liked your post at Creationism, but I have some difficulty to find what parts are quotes or your own comment (note the ending " which only seems to match one at the top, with the indentation change caused by the linebreak). I'd be grateful if you could revise it... Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 09:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 23
Books & Bytes
Issue 23, June-July 2017
- Library card
- User Group update
- Global branches update
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Recreation of deleted category
Hello. The final barrier to me cleaning out all the red-linked categories is
) 12:02, 24 August 2017 (UTC)- @Le Deluge: I've recreated it. Doug Weller talk 12:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Duplicate File
Hello, this file File:UEFA members Europa League group stage.png is a duplicate to a file which has the same name. Would you help by deleting the attached file? Oriental Sword (talk) 05:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Oriental Sword: done, sorry it took so long. Doug Weller talk 15:41, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Göbekli Tepe architecture in the greater area
I am thinking this info should better be placed in the section Importance? The current text is not updated to newest research- It only refers to more vaguely similar structures at later sites Arekrishna (talk) 09:00, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Bine (mythology) hoax article
I just discovered the article Bine (mythology), which was created eleven years ago with this edit ([7]) by a user with an edit history consisting of only three edits total. The article was an orphan and I had no idea that it existed until Eno Lirpa added a link to it in the article List of Mesopotamian deities just this morning. The article is totally uncited and is clearly a complete hoax. It rambles on about garbled nonsense involving supplying demons with magic wings to prepare them for the "Second Coming." It then goes on to explain that Bine was really a mortal "carpenter" who died and rose again.
At first, I thought that there might be a real deity somewhere behind the nonsense, so I turned it into a redirect to
- (talk page gnome) The terminology and concepts are obviously Christian and would mean nothing for the people of the time, thanks for spotting it... —PaleoNeonate – 14:21, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- I'm beating it with a mop right now. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Excellent all of you. Thanks. Deorphaning to get the wikipedia community's attention to old stagnant articles works! Cheers. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Ian.thomson: Thanks for deleting it. That article was in existence for eleven years. Unless I am mistaken, this makes Bine (mythology) the new longest-running hoax on Wikipedia, surpassing the Jar Edo Wens hoax, which was only in existence for ten years. The user who created the article had two other edits. I cannot check them now since I am in the mobile version of Wikipedia, but we might want to make sure that, whatever those edits were, they need to be reverted. --Katolophyromai (talk) 14:54, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- (Balberith is a variant spelling on a "historical" demon. If it wasn't for the fact that the creator of those articles has been inactive for a dozen years, I'd probably block them for making up crap. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:45, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- Correction: I incorrectly stated that the Jar'Edo Wens hoax was the longest-running until now; I was wrong. The longest-running was actually the Milk Studios hoax, which ran for eleven years and eight months. (Apparently I am not very up-to-date on my knowledge of Wikipedia hoaxes.) In any case, I checked the date of User:ForbbidenSpirit4thLyte's edits and Bine (mythology) appears to have been in existence for twelve years and four months, which would still make it the longest-running hoax discovered to date. --Katolophyromai (talk) 02:47, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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Antifaschistische Aktion Correlation.
Hello Doug. I believe that Antifaschistische Aktion is in direct correlation with Antifa in the United States. Denying it so, is very distressing. Because Antifa is not a new organization nor thought. In addition, Antifa members DO use the Antifaschistische Aktion logo. There are photos of this. It may not be an "official" group/organization, but it does use symbols, and the Antifaschistische Aktion symbol which originated in Germany is one of them. — Preceding
- (talk page stalker) I've been looking at the edit history of this editor, under 100 total. It's almost total vandalism imho, but subtle. Could you have a look, Doug? -Roxy the dog. bark 05:34, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
I can see why there is not an "official" logo/symbol, but there are legitimate sources about the colors Antifa uses. — Preceding
I have emailed you
Hi Doug, I have emailed you about a potential COI issue involving another editor. DuncanHill (talk) 23:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Yakub (Nation of Islam)
Hello. I am new to Wikipedia - maybe I should write this somewhere else.
I've noticed that throughout the entire page there wasn't a single mention that this story is completely pseudoscientific. So I added this mention to the second sentence of the article. I explained this in the original edit's summary. Next thing I know you revert my edit, commenting, in your edit summary, this: "Reverted to revision 797320271 by Paral Aydzen (talk): Rvv antisemite vandal."
Can you please explain what's antisemitic in my edit? --Paral Aydzen (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I completely misread the article's history page. It wasn't you who reverted my edit. Sorry for that. --Paral Aydzen (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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request for clarification
You accused me of attacking someone on a late but did not clarify who i attacked or when/where. It is a bit confusing when you are involved in several discussions. In the future if you do this to people I think it would be useful to link a special:diff regarding whatever edit was made.
Valeyard is very much making edits contrary to BLP and has been informed of BLP guidelines.
I find it odd that you are accusing me of "attacking" someone by calling for policy a violators to be kicked off a topic, but not acknowledging that I am being attacked when Valeyard declared I do not understand BLP policy.
I have quoted the relevant portions of
This began because a BLP protect person is being attacked by people describing him as a criminal on the article. This violates Wikipedia policy because there has been no guilty verdict against him.
So why are you twisting this as if I am attacking users when the problem is I am trying to enforce policy and stop users from libeling living people in violation of policy? ScratchMarshall (talk) 09:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- @WP:AGF. Doug Weller talk11:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Why are you only accusing me of ignoring AGF? Your bias is showing again. I don't see you giving out warnings to those who insulted my motives on the talk. ScratchMarshall (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- [[re|ScratchMarshall}} I see you don't deny it. I don't even see anyone questioning your motives. Doug Weller talk 18:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Check the history. Archival probably hid it. Why should I have to deny an baseless accusation? That is grounds to insinuate I am an AGF violator? Check a mirror. I am not assuming bad faith: the edits I object to are BLP violations regardless of whatever intentions people have.
Those adding
Every news outlet in the world could agree to call someone a murdering terrorist kitten kidnapper. Policy is clear: if they are alive, we do directly accuse them of doing that if they have not been convicted in a court. We report they are being called an MTKK , we do not say they are one.
At this point it is hard to find who added certain phrases and categories to begin with. Not being the one to introduce a BLP violation does not make those who restore them faultless.
The noticeboard is confusing and I am not sure if I am supposed to do that right away or if there are other processes to try first. ScratchMarshall (talk) 17:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
- @ScratchMarshall: If you are referring to your suggestion of a warning template, you shouldn't do anything unless there is consensus there. I see you've been warned again about veering into personal attack territory. "Check a mirror" could be considered a PA also. I'm not going into the other issues on my talk page, they should be discussed in a more public forum. Doug Weller talk 18:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
You accusing others of not assuming good faith = not possibly an attack. People pointing out that your accusations may not assume good faith about those you accuse: always an attack. Am I misunderstanding? ScratchMarshall (talk) 03:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Duplicate accounts
Hi :) Could you please take a look at the history of Varman dynasty? It's quite certain that the users Qwertywander1 and Qwertywander are the same. I realise that it's OK to have multiple accounts. But should the users be notified on the potential pitfalls of doing so oslt? Or can this simply be ignored? Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 19:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- Answered elsewhere. Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 10:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Riverside County school block
There's actually been vandalism in the past week or so on each of the IP addresses from 204.100.213.21 to 204.100.213.27, not just .25, the one you just blocked. Largoplazo (talk) 20:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC) @Largoplazo: Sorry it took me so long. All tagged and either blocked or on my watchlist. Well spotted. Doug Weller talk 20:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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European: Antifaschistische Aktion
Hello Doug,
I find it quite troubling that you redo my edit. You stated that there is no basis in the correlation and connections between Antifaschistische Aktion. It is actually very troubling that you did so. They are related. Why are you refuting that? Antifaschistische Aktion is related with Antifa in the United States, and it's the United States's European counterpart. Why are you refuting this?
- @Aviartm:And I find it troubling that although three editors have reverted your edits, @Insertcleverphrasehere and DanielRigal: and of course me, you're only complaining to me. I'll give a fuller reply on your talk page as I don't think you yet understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with policies and guidelines. Doug Weller talk15:14, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, @Doug. I "complain" to you because you are the most active individual I have ran into. I know that Wikipedia has policies and guidelines. But let me ask you this? Is Antifa's European counterpart Antifaschistische Aktion? &
I know it's a tactic, but isn't Antifa's primary number, by an overwhelming, essentially unanimous majority, black? I mean, do you see participants wearing complete Blue? Yellow? How about Pink? — Preceding
(talk page gnome) Who's better to contact than the head editor of Wikipedia?[Humor] —PaleoNeonate – 23:42, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
- @WP:RS. One People's Project is called Antifa. Do they wear black? See [Talk:Antifa (United States)#Rose City Antifa raising funds for a network trying to improve access to abortions]] - I doubt they wear black when they do that. I don't know of course, but that's why we use sources, not our opinions or even personal experience. Doug Weller talk16:53, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Why not can a movement be a counterpart of an organization? It happens all the time. Examples: CORE, SNCC, SCLC, and essentially the whole Civil Rights Movement. But at most events that Antifa partakes in, they are wearing black. And I have given reputable sources backing up my claim. talk) 19:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Why not can a movement be a counterpart of an organization? It happens all the time. Examples: CORE, SNCC, SCLC, and essentially the whole Civil Rights Movement. But at most events that Antifa partakes in, they are wearing black. And I have given reputable sources backing up my claim.
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not
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Your mention of the mystic Schwaller's print bio
Dear Colleague,
An edit attributed to your acct assigned the year of publication "1905" to the work Al-Kemi: Hermetic, Occult, Political, and Private Aspects of R.A. Schwaller, despite Schwaller having turned 18 no earlier than December of that year, and our attributing the birth date of 1955 to the books' author. I have little doubt that you'll want to look into the underlying circumstances of the edit.
--Jerzy•t 12:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Jerzy: Sorry about that. I've fixed it. Careless of me, copied it from Amazon.[8] Mea culpa. Thanks for spotting it. Doug Weller talk 13:16, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
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"Don't call editors antifa members"
Editors tend to edit subjects they like, and user Bobfrombrockley is a good example of an antifa supporter (user says it on their page). I don't want to fight, but we need the truth, and it is the fact that everyone is biased.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fierysunset (talk • contribs) 18:22, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Fierysunset: That was still an inappropriate edit summary and it was " antifa-members," plural. Doug Weller talk 18:27, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Removing BLPPROD tags
repeatedly, as seen here. Incidentally, they have also set up a second account (Jamalnaser2017) to create the same page. If you could advise? Cheers! —
- @Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: I'm about to go out with my dog in between rain showers, ANI I'd say. Doug Weller talk13:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- Cheers! Remember the packet of ham ;) — velut luna13:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- Cheers! Remember the packet of ham ;) —
- Blocked and deleted, no need to waste storage space on this. There apparently is a real (Arab) filmmaker of this name though. —SpacemanSpiff 14:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was sorely tempted to tag is as a hox- I found a couple of old fils on YouTube that were directed by a filmmaker of that name- but very little that actually tied him to the claims (or films, or actors, etc) made. Anyway, all's well that end's well :) — velut luna14:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: The rain stopped and it got too hot, especially wearing even a light rain jacket. Glad this got sorted. Doug Weller talk
- It sounds like ANI, DG; either getting pissed on or flamed eh! ;) thanks for your help though, it'll come in handy for next time. — velut luna18:30, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- It sounds like ANI, DG; either getting pissed on or flamed eh! ;) thanks for your help though, it'll come in handy for next time. —
- @
- Yeah, I was sorely tempted to tag is as a hox- I found a couple of old fils on YouTube that were directed by a filmmaker of that name- but very little that actually tied him to the claims (or films, or actors, etc) made. Anyway, all's well that end's well :) —
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Self-spamming
See this. The spamming has been going on for months, I've left a final warning on that but I don't know if these links should be removed, I saw one of those on some Journal of Mythic society and it didn't give me any confidence but this is up your area of expertise, so please decide what to do. I'll handle the behavior if it continues. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:08, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
jimmy Dore quote
The quote I posted is available in audio and TEXT from the youtube clip posted by Jimmy Dore. When getting an exact quote from the subject, this cannot be better sourced.
Given her record of bloodlust warhawkism, there is good reason to be more afraid of Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump.
The previous posting of a source was one of several bloggers who have repeated the quote. When we are in a section where his expressed opinion is being discussed and paraphrased, there is no better way to properly show his opinion than to actually quote him. I'll revert back to what I had posted. Trackinfo (talk) 23:21, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Investment
The
) 04:34, 7 September 2017 (UTC)Vyse's forgery?
Hello Doug, I'm uncertain about a recent issue on