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Ewloe

Hello FruitMonkey

I live and work in Ewloe and it is clear some facts on the page are incorrect one being that the Old Co-op is in Hawarden, but it clearly is not, also the fact about the Co-op mile is required as it is used often by locals to direct people including interlopers. Moote (talk) 06:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

West Block House Point Beacons, Milford Haven

Please could you reinstate this article, as it is part of the List of Lighthouses in Wales series, and comprises one of the lights leading ships into Milford Haven. You can find an entry for it in The Lighthouses of Wales, by Douglas Hague at p 82. Many thanks. Vouliagmeni (talk) 21:50, 11 November 2010 (CET)


David Watts Morgan

Excellent work on the article FM. How about putting it through peer review? It must be way better than start class now, surely.--

Pondle (talk) 15:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply
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I don't know David Underdown so I'll leave you to make contact with him FM. But if it's OK with you I'll kick off the peer review process right now. Cheers,--
Pondle (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Urdd National Eisteddfod

Hi again, FM. From the WP-en angle, wouldn't it be preferable to open the article: The Urdd National Eisteddfod (Welsh: Eisteddfod Genedlaethol Urdd Gobaith Cymru or Eisteddfod Genedlaethol yr Urdd) is an annual. . .etc. Anyway, I leave that to your excellent judgment. While I'm at it, I find it strange there is no online follow-through giving results or at least a wrap-up report on each venue/event. Presumably, though, there are other library sources. I see, too, that an excessive amount of the Urdd Eisteddfod is duplicated in a section under Eisteddfod. Perhaps this would be better if cut down and treated as a 'Main article' link, eh? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 04:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wales

I'm all for it. Have you mentioned it on the Welsh wikipedians' notice board? Deb (talk) 06:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I was just thinking. When I started on wikipedia, in about 2003, the article on Wales was about two paragraphs, and the history section said that Wales was invaded by Romans and then by the Saxons (!) and then by the Normans. Deb (talk) 07:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I also think it's a good idea FM, you might also like to alert
Pondle (talk) 10:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply
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A lot of work has gone into the article. I have slightly changed the LEDE. I am a little busy at the moment to do much work on the article, however best of luck...it does look good to me though. My view is that the non-free images of the NHS Wales (this also does not have a non-free use rationale to it for use on the Wales article), Cymdeithas yr Iaith and the "Welsh" One Pound coin should be removed, as they are not needed for the article. However this is only my view. SethWhales talk 20:35, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Though a lifetime expat, I have close ties and have worked on articles like Tonypandy, Aberaeron, Llanerchaeron, Llanon, Tregaron, Mumbles, Tommy Farr, etc, etc, and I have a lot of good pics from my occasional visits. So I'll have a good look. However, I'll consult with you before jumping in with anything radical. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your
GA nomination of Blair Swannell

The article

good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Blair Swannell for things which need to be addressed. Brad78 (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Swannell

Take a read of this article, I put it as a ref under the infobox mainly for others to see. It has Swannell's Northhampton cap total listed as 116 etc, as well as some other material that could be useful. The citation is a stretch for verifiability but the guys at that forum are serious researchers IMO. Maybe this would be a base for finding the verifiable source from which they drew. Also some greater detail on the details around his death. BTW the field in the Infobox is useless as the rugby bio box does not allow for Ameteur club points and caps etc. Anyways I am off to bed... Happy editing.SauliH (talk) 07:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another piece to read that may substantiate the claims he made of being in Uruguay is here: [1]SauliH (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I can't imagine Moran and Swannell would have ever enjoyed each others company. Polar opposite personalities. I would love to read that book too. Agree with the relics link. I actually am beginning to believe he actually did all the things he bragged about, but he was a social incompetent, in that he would talk about himself and inflate those exploits, and bore everyone to tears. The article Turned Down Cold is amusing to read... he comes across in the report like a three year old who could not have his way. SauliH (talk) 01:32, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay with leaving alone. I think the one glaring weakness in the article is detailing his playing history in club and province/state. I come across snippets, but nothing to hang a citation on.SauliH (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
oh and "ladies man"... agree... maybe women were different back then?!SauliH (talk) 20:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for David Watts Morgan

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Watcyn Thomas

According to the Felinfoel RFC website, a W Thomas was a Wales Senior International for them between 1927–33. I assume this is Watcyn Thomas, but there's no mention of Felinfoel RFC in his article, any ideas? Cheers. P.S. Do you know who the "I S Gallagher" is on the Felinfoel RFC website? DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mid Rhondda F.C.

Thanks for the note - glad to be of help. Do you have a publisher and ISBN for the book you have referenced to? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 21:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Swannell

Hey FruitMonkey I don't have Viewless Minds, although I have a published collection of RU essays which I've used as a source at times and which quotes significantly from Viewless Minds. The snippets about Blair Swannell are, as you say, less than complimentary about him from an Austn perspective but unfortunatley are just snippets. On of those articles, which focused on RU players who fell in the Great War, maliciously suggested he might have been shot in the back by his own men in the Dardanelles !! I'll see if I can add anything. -Sticks66 02:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FM, I saw your note about trying to get a hold of a copy of Moran's book. There is a copy at the University library back home in Australia ( I am in the US), and so I am seeing if anyone in my FB circle of friends would do a favor. If case someone comes forward do you know what pages we should get a copy of? I hesitate to ask them to copy a whole ton of pages, but who knows, maybe they would. I will let you know if someone comes forward. SauliH (talk) 03:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
congrats in return... I think the key was having the old newspapers... Their recent availability has opened up a whole load of material that can be used... without it, these old players would be a lot harder to research and write about... I am working on the British tour of Australia in 1899 presntly, and it is helping immensely there too. I will have you take a look at it (if you do not mind), and rework some of my prose and get your thoughts after I get some more done.SauliH (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers man. No problem at all. It's a pleasure to read and review an article like that. Brad78 (talk) 21:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wales - branch factory economy Hi, you took out the reference to a 'branch factory' economy,[2] I'm curious why... the cite does refer to it, see page 8:

Gross-value added (GVA) per job in Wales is below the UK average in part reflecting a relatively unfavourable occupation and industry mix. This has also been associated with the legacy of a “branch factory” economy, which suggests the need to develop policies to attract higher added-value inward investments to Wales...

I think the phrase is useful, it was used in the Assembly Government's 2002 economic development strategy (A Winning Wales) and its 2005 successor (Wales A Vibrant Economy) and regularly mentioned in discussions of the Welsh economy in the years when reliance on FDI was the key policy concern. I can dig those old policy docs out if you like.--

Pondle (talk) 23:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Here's another source, talks about how inward investment to South East Wales has historically been dominated by branch plants.[3]--
Pondle (talk) 23:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Barnstar

Campus! Diolch! Deb (talk) 20:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alec Timms

hmmm. To me that makes it so misleading (the year range thing). Particularly for someone like Timms, where there was a sizeable gap between selection years. I'm okay with it, but not a fan of it. Could an exception be made where there is a gap of years of say three or more years. SauliH (talk) 17:12, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enoughSauliH (talk) 18:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martelli/1899 tour

You will probably note my sorry attempt at adding a notation about the University/Wanderers discrepancy. If you know what historians claim University, then maybe adding that to the ref would help. SauliH (talk) 02:23, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you would cast an eye over the team list section some time too... I have not the foggiest whether Gloucester is different to Gloucestershire. What is a club, regional team. I also made a presumption the Scottish trials in the source material meant trial matches for Scotland: partly due to the lower case 't' for trials that was in the source. If that is incorrect, then it needs to be changed. I have done what I can to form the material in this section, and a cleanup and checkup is probably called for. Thanks. SauliH (talk) 03:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...wikilinking to the clubs etc too.
Too weird... I had just finished entering the English team for the Toowoomba match from that exact link, and I hit save, and you had beat me to it! I couldn't work out why the text looked so similar when the edit conflict popped up - to what I had just typed, until I opened another tab on the browser and noticed your edits... I am off to bed too late for me to be up and doing this now. Happy editing. SauliH (talk) 07:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History of Wales

Hi, I agree with you totally re: the unbalanced nature of the modern history section at

Pondle (talk) 09:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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DYK for Bando (sport)

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Alec Boswell Timms and the Geelong Football Club

Hi, I'm interested to know how you came to the conclusion that Alec Boswell Timms played for the Geelong Football Club as the citation you gave, http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?c=0-6160-80514-0-10242517&sID=115130 does not mention this fact. Google also returns nothing and there is no mention of him in either the Geelong or VFL/AFL player histories. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt but will delete this fact unless a suitable source can be found. Thanks. --Rulesfan (talk) 06:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tonypandy Riots

Hi. Congratulations on all your work on the

Tonypandy Riots. Given your interest in this topic area I hope you won't mind my respectfully reminding you that Clement Attlee is spelt thus, with two Ts in his surname. Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 01:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Request for assistance

Hello. I saw you were involved in nominating an article over at the GAN politics section, and just want to ask you kindly if you could be willing to help me out a bit. I have nominated an article myself (Progress Party (Norway)), and it is close to being approved as a GA, but according to the reviewer the article needs a good copyedit from a native English speaker before it can be passed. So, I just want to ask you if you could help with (strictly) copyediting the article. I don't want you to feel any "pressure", but if you could help it would be great! Regards, -TheG (talk) 11:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last native Prince of Wales

Saw you removed reference to Owain Glyndŵr as the last native Prince of Wales. As you say: an interesting one. There are several references for Glyndŵr, but a Google search of the phrase shows there are other contenders. Most reputable sources give Llywelyn (d.1282) as the last native Prince of Wales. A few give Dafydd ap Gruffudd (d. 1283). And some Glyndŵr. But most histories of Wales seem to note one of the three as the 'last native Prince of Wales', and so should Wikipedia. Perhaps all three should be mentioned in the spirit of NPOV. Daicaregos (talk) 07:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roman era

Your fine efforts on improving the entire article are noted with admiration and I appreciate your work in improving and tightening the Roman era section (if I wrote it, you can safely assume that it bears improvement and shortening). A specific problem, on some changes:

  • The transitory publicity blurb of a society (here, announcing an upcoming conference) is not an acceptable source to support a statement. The publications of that society might well be acceptable, but the blurb of an anonymous publicist promoting an upcoming conference surely are not.
  • The content of the anonymous publicist's blurb are now entered into the article, which they should not be. In point of fact, those statements are demonstrably false, but that's a different issue. This does not necessarily contradict the presentations-not-yet-made (scheduled for 30-31 October 2010 according to the blurb), as we have only the publicist's synthesis to go on.

As to the facts of the matter at hand (ie, the history itself), I would be happy to address any concerns that you might have if you let me know what they are—and I might be able to find support for your pov through good sources, since I seem to have an interest in the particulars of the subject matter. Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 16:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I cringe at the mention of Arthur in a history section, but the story is rightfully a part of history and it belongs somewhere thereabouts. The trick is to dance around the wording so as to step on the fewest possible toes. Candidates for the date vary widely, with no one better than another.
The proper time frame is post-Roman, pre-medieval, mid-to-late 5th century, through the early 6th century. Probably, say the battle occured "... perhaps between 490 and 520, though there is no one date that is generally agreed upon." I would include it in a paragraph that is relatively short, vague and general ... and connected to Welsh perceptions, of course, but without expressing an implication that other perceptions have less merit.
Getting tasked with this assignment is evidence that your efforts on the article have not gone unnoticed (and offers some confirmation that no good deed goes unpunished :). Arthuriana is not my particular focus (though I've probably done as much unsuccessful research as most others). Regards, Notuncurious (talk) 19:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Wales

Hey FruitMonkey, if you're satisfied with the article you should re-list it at

WP:GAN. Since I reviewed and declined it last time, I think it would be beneficial to have a new review and a new reviewer's opinion. If you want, you can note at GAN that this is a 2nd(?) nomination, but that's not mandatory. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Nomination of Huw Phillips for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Huw Phillips, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huw Phillips until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. J04n(talk page) 10:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inserting Images

Hi FruitMonkey, you appear to be successful at incorporating pictures into your articles without them being deleted, whereas despite my best eforts, I always seem to have them removed. Could you please give me the inside track on how I would go about ensuring that, e.g. this image of Cyril Lemprière could be retained in his article. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 22:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you insights. An example of an image I tried to add was in the
Wakefield Trinity's victory over Australia (Yes, Australia!!! That's how good Trinity were in those days, ahh the memories (I wasn't born then, but if I had been, I'm sure I'd remember it)), scanned from 'Dreadnoughts - A HISTORY OF Wakefield Trinity F. C. 1873 - 1960' printed in 1960. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Would you be able to suggest how I can save Denis John Boocker.jpg from being deleted? The photograph must have been taken between 14 August 1947, and 13 March 1954, as this is when
Denis John Boocker was at Wakefield Trinity, I'm not sure whether he is still alive. Cheers. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Wales

Hello, FruitMonkey. You have new messages at Daicaregos's talk page.
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DYK for Henry Clarence Whaite

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DYK for Royal Cambrian Academy of Art

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DYK for David Marques

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Bold

Would it be better to change the {{lang-cy| }} template to {{lang|cy| }} rather than to change the bolding as here? The question is: do we need it to say "Welsh" before the translations (obviously, its first use should be in full)? Daicaregos (talk) 18:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry FruitMonkey. Your response was lost in my Talkpage traffic. I had your Talkpage on watch though, if that's any consolation ... In the introduction, for example, the Welsh is given for Wales, noting that it is Welsh in brackets. Further down the page the Welsh is given for Cardiff, again noting that it is Welsh in brackets. That second noting of 'Welsh' is redundant, and the translation can just be given in brackets. Noting the translation is Welsh is unnecessary for the rest of the article too, although as 'foreign' words, they should be italicised. The reason why I think it should be part of the lang-cy template, is so that if over zealous editors come looking to change it, they will see that it has be considered already. What do you think? Daicaregos (talk) 18:17, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Got it Pat

In memory of all those Irish referees, you might get a chuckle from this edit which had to be made at a loss to the world of humour. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 01:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You spoil sport. :) FruitMonkey (talk) 09:34, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK accuracy

Hi FruitMonkey. I know you like to see the country represented properly, so I thought you might like to catch up on what's happening here:talk:Peterborough, Talk:Dover, Talk:Plymouth, Talk:Sydenham, Talk:Cornwall & Talk:Cambridge. Please don't hesitate to voice your opinion. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PS: and Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire#Suggested page move. --Kudpung (talk) 16:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{WikiProject Wales}}

Thanks I am not a bot, nor do I have one--I'm simply using

AWB. I made the list several days ago, consequently sometimes articles get deleted in the interim; I don't always see that. As far as the disambiguation articles go, I'm not sure what the problem is, as {{WikiProject Wales}} includes class=dab. If you're worried about assessment, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to assess most stubs at least. One could simply create recursive list of articles in Category:Wales stubs and then replace all instances of {{WikiProject Wales}} with {{WikiProject Wales|class=stub}}. That's hardly a complete solution, but it's something. Please respond on my talk if you have more to say on this topic or if I can somehow assist you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply
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Maesteg population

I note that my earlier edit with revised figure for the site has been changed. To avoid a merry-go-round of repeated changes, I suggest replacing the existing figure with a total of 20,702 for the following reasons:

a) The site refers rather loosley to 'Maesteg' i.e Maesteg and District. Almost all the information on the site refers to Maesteg and District.

b) In reality, and historically, Llangynwyd, (the lower part of the Llynfi Valley not the famous village) has been part of Maesteg and District; a state of affairs recently acknowledged as new wards are proposed within Bridgend County.

c) The Llangynwyd area has grown substantially over the last twenty years or so and now forms a more important part of the contiguous urban area of Maesteg and District. The revised figure reflects this significant growth and gives an accurate population total.

c) Thus the present figure underestimates the population of the subject area and is an inaccurate component on an improving Wikipage.

~~Coedtalon~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coedtalon (talk • contribs) 18:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Tosh Powell

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Intro

Hiya FruitMonkey, see you're back among us again. I made a couple of changes to the introduction. I lumped history into the one paragraph (2nd). That gives us some scope to expand the others, particularly para 3. We should agree on what are the most important aspects of the article and include them in the introduction. I didn't want to just go ahead without discussing it with you first. What do you think? Daicaregos (talk) 09:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dick Power

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