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Archive 37: December 2016

I'm frustrated re your db-g13 nomination for speedy deletion of

Also, note that there is yet more wasted energy and time after a deletion, since I don't have access to the contents to see what the state of the draft is, and know how hard to fight for it. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 19:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nealmcb - like you, I am simply a volunteer. The G13 deletion process is a crapshoot, sometimes there are hours between the time an article is tagged for deletion, other times it only takes mere minutes (as apparently happened this time). To be fair, per your suggestion, you should have received a warning about a month ago, that if it hit 6 months with no activity, it might be deleted. Checking out your talk page, I see that this happened back in February, but not in October. I have no control over the mechanics of wp, but I can understand your frustration. But the process for getting it re-instated is quite simple (and I see you've already done that). Good luck with the draft. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:24, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I have the same issue - it would be nice to get a warning after say 5 months or wait at least a day... A draft of mine got deleted, I want to save the content for next time but it's gone - how can I get the deleted content ? (tried a undeletion submission too) Laurent Demailly (talk) 06:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Laurent Demailly - if you click on the refund link above, it gives you specific instructions on how to get the draft undeleted. As long as there are no issues with it (e.g. copyvio), it's pretty much a formality. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:30, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Onel5969! I appreciate your contributions and kind response. I had indeed looked for the 1-month warning, with no luck. Can you point me towards the process of generating those, so I can help fix it? Or perhaps to your own source of alerts indicating that it is time to propose the speedy delete? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 19:57, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nealmcb - I'm not an admin, so I can't help you with that. Will ping one who is very helpful (MelanieN. If she can't help, I'm sure she can put us in the right direction. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, OneL, but I'm afraid I'm not much help. I don't know if the month-ahead warning notices are sent automatically (which I doubt) or manually (which is always a crapshoot since it depends on volunteers). I suspect it is manual, and since there are thousands of them at any given time (here is the current list: Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions) it is easy to see how the notices might get overlooked. The volunteers who work in that area mainly focus on trying to find abandoned drafts that could be rescued and turned into live articles.

But while it is annoying to have a draft deleted, it is quite easy to retrieve the draft it you still want to work on it. There are two ways to get it back: request undeletion by following the instructions here: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/G13; or post on the talk page of the administrator who deleted it (their name and talk page are linked right on the screen that says "a page with this title has been previously moved or deleted"). Wikipedia makes the assumption that if a draft hasn't been touched in 6 months it is no longer active; sometimes that assumption is wrong. If you have a draft in cold storage - not ready to submit but you but want to keep it available - one thing you could do is simply visit it every few months and make an edit or two, so that it never becomes "abandoned". --MelanieN (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, MelanieN... but the issue is the lack of the usual 5-month warning in this instance. Nealmcb had received that warning the first time it reached 5 months, and edited it, restarting the clock, but this time it doesn't appear they received the 5-month warning. Was wondering who I could let know about that. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:42, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Neal's previous 5-month warning was issued by a bot called HasteurBot. I checked a random selection of the current 5-month category, and of the articles I checked, none of the authors had been notified. Apparently that bot is not functioning. The creator of the bot, User:Hasteur, has a "retired" notice on their page. They do appear to be active still, but not very responsive to questions. You could ask about the bot at their talk page. However, I notice that User:Sphilbrick asked them about the bot back in June, and they did not respond. Maybe you and Sphilbrick could get together and figure out where to take this question. Village Pump/tech, maybe? --MelanieN (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again, those are great suggestions, and maybe Sphilbrick will have some more. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I am traveling, not home until the 15th. I have operated under the assumption that there was a notice at the 5 month mark. If the bot is not working, and the operator is non-responsive, we need to find an alternative. I cannot take the lead on this at this time. --S Philbrick(Talk) 01:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Travel safe. Hasteur (on the Village Pump), has expressed no desire in fixing this. He pointed out that this was a mere courtesy. In the thousands of G13's I've done, this is the only time this has come up. If it was a quick fix, than I was all for accommodating it, but if not, then we'll have to wait until someone with a lot more technical skill than I comes along. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:43, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Wow - thank you all so very much for tracking down the intricacies of all this. I'll dig in to it some more with these very helpful pointers and data. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd prefer that this article get merged into List of Pi Beta Phi chapters and I'll work on it there, based on the electronically available information at https://archive.org/details/historyofpibetap00helmrich . I'm not sure whether to copy it or do something else. I'm removing the G13 for now, just until we can get this done.Naraht (talk) 17:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Naraht - No worries, good luck with the merge. Just wasn't enough for a standalone article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree, and it isn't like it is going to get much bigger (other than adding square brackets for links). Should I just copy the information, or do I need to include any history (I don't think any changes after the original IP editor were actually data as opposed to comments).Naraht (talk) 18:00, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

If you go to

WP:PROMERGE - it shows you how you can cut and paste the relevant information, and then add tags so that the history is not lost. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

18:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, just wasn't sure that draft articles got the same treatment. Thanx.Naraht (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

lol. Neither am I. I just moved the merged page from draft to article space. Should be good now. Thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's one way to publish an article to mainspace. :)Naraht (talk) 18:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

New Page Reviewers are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on Thursday 8 December for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) (

AfC Reviewers are asked to be especially on the look out 08:00-20:00 UTC (that's local London time - check your USA and AUS times) on Thursday 8 December for new pages. The BBC together with Wikimedia UK is holding a large 12-hour editathon. Many new articles and drafts are expected. See BBC 100 Women 2016: How to join our edit-a-thon. Follow also on #100womenwiki, and please, don't bite the newbies :) (

FYI that I declined your A10 speedy here. It was a different book that probably copied and pasted a bit from the existing article. I added a NYT review and updated the information. If you still feel it should be deleted, AfD would probably be best. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up TonyBallioni - I didn't catch the other book. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed a message on Hawkers that it is written like an advert. I translated the article from es.wikipedia were I created it. As far as I know the company has been the fastest growing Spanish startup, so all the sources I could find talk in a positive way and most use it as an example of a success story. It has received such coverage from all mayor newspapers in Spain. After a quick search, I could also find references in the US like Inc, TechCrunch or Bloomberg [1](wich I will add). Most articles tell about the fast growth of the company, how it used Facebook, social media and celebrities to achieve it and how the product is much cheaper than the competition. That is made in China but uses good materials and meets quality standards. I would appreciate it if you could fix it or give me some ideas on what to change so it does not read like an advert. Should I remove this phrase?: "According to the company, Hawkers goal is to provide an easy product for all consumer types"? --GFHarris (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi GFHarris - I redid the history section to show you an example of how to de-advertise. Simply state facts, and don't include details about "objectives", or stuff which is meant to increase status by association. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with the article and for the advice, I continued your edits. I removed the statement made by the company about the product and also the name of the competitors to avoid increasing status by association. Let me know if I got it right. The next article I am translating on my sandbox is for Paula Echevarria, if it is ok with you, once I have it translated, I will ask you to review it to make sure it has no issues before I post it. --GFHarris (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi GFHarris - the problem with the article is the product and business model sections. They are only there to promote the company and need to go. The product section could be slightly kept. Will make the alterations so you can see the difference. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again Onel, are you done with the changes? Please read the three sources in English: [2], [3] and [4] If you use the browser translator and read also the sources from all mayor Spanish newspapers, you will see that according to them, the thing that makes the company notable and worthy to have an article is not just that they sell sunglases at cheap prices, but how they were able to grow so much in such a short time by using social media (Twitter and specially Facebook) and their advertising platforms as well as hiring celebrities or teams like the Lakers to grow their brand. (Facebook uses them as a case study). Shouldn't that be in the article? Also, the article still says that it reads like and advertisement. Thanks for your help. --GFHarris (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi GFHarris - Yes, I am done with my changes. What you could say is something along the line of "industry (or whoever is making the observations) have noted the growth of the company through the unusual channel of social media, such as Facebook and Twitter." Don't mention celebrity endorsements, that is pure advertising. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, how about if I mention that, and that they used a very aggressive campaign of celebrity and institutional endorsements without actually mentioning which ones? according to the papers another key factor of their success is the large ammount of money they spend on having celebrities wear them. It is, as you say, a form of advertising strategy that aparently helped them sell so well.--GFHarris (talk) 16:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel, please let me know if you think the proposed text would be ok. Also, about the warning in the article, is it ok to remove it already? Should I do it myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GFHarris (talk • contribs) 15:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi GFHarris - one last thing and then I would okay removing the advert tag: lose the awards section. None of them are major awards, and it is solely there to make the product look good. Nice job. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I am done with the changes. Thank you for your help. --GFHarris (talk) 20:55, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, it seems that you deleted my page hidden services. The comment on there is "WP is not a howto guide". However, I did not provide a how-to guide. It was a detailed explanation of a security protocol, which can be used to provide anonymity online. The section titled "Rendezvous Protocol" is not a set of instructions, but rather how hidden services like Tor establish a secure and anonymous connection. It is what happens behind the scenes when a user tries to load a webpage for example through Tor. I understand that the "Configuring Hidden Services" section might seem more like a how-to and I would be happy to discuss that further. The "Potential Pitfalls" section though is again highlighting security aspects of Tor's hidden services. The goal of the page is to further explain a technical security concept in computer science, not to provide users with instructions on how to do this themselves. --goelm (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Goelm - I this was an industry-wide term, and could be cited in various independent sources as appearing in other areas other than TOR, than this might be a valid article. However, as it was written, it was simply a how-to article. Feel free to expand the existing sections in the TOR article, but that is where it is best served. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing my article on M. Lincoln Schuster! Yes, I was surprised there wasn't an article already. I'm working my way through a number of publishing history notables. Also--thank you for your military service. My father was a career Airman. Go Air Force!

Hi

Jaldous1 - No worries. That was a very nice article. Well structured, well written. Hope you continue to write quality stuff like that. Not that into publishing articles, but when I see articles like Dramatists Play Service, it makes me realize that it's easier to get some 3rd string rugby player an article, than it is to write about significant subjects. I focus more on film and geo articles. Regarding my service... no need for thanks, it was truly an honor to serve. Aim High. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

03:54, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel5969. Speedy deletion work is important and I do appreciate the effort. I would just ask that you please review the

Thanks for the correction Adam9007 - I knew that and should've prodded. Definitely my bad. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Onel5969, thanks for reviewing My Dad's a Birdman.

Coolabahapple (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

You noted on my srticle "Other than imdb, fails the standard for inline sourcing. Was declined at AfC, then simply created in mainspace. Very promotional." The page is almost an exact translation of the equivalent page on the Thai wikipedia: what can I do?

Hello Onel5969. Thank you for reviewing the Article Putong your new contribution is highly appreciated. :) Filipinot@yo^t@lk 03:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

No worries, Filipinotayo - Your article is one of the wonders of Wikipedia. Got to learn a little bit about a different culture. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

No it are differend pages about a differend version of Disney Channel. Also there is no English Disney Channel NL page now anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.35.231.212 (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel, I would appreciate it if you could take a look at this page:[5]. Please let me know if the content is ok before I continue with the translation, or if there are parts I should not put in the English version to avoid waisting my time translating text that is not OK here.--GFHarris (talk) 15:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

WP:PEACOCK words, like "esteemed", "excellent", "wonderful", "glamorous", etc. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

15:54, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the quick response. I will follow your advice.--GFHarris (talk) 16:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, for the external links I removed the fan page and the instagram as it is not clear that it is really hers, but from what I read at

WP:EL her actual webpage (her blog at Elle) should be there, right? also I see the iMDB external link in many pages.--GFHarris (talk

) 17:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

See

WP:ELNO, I think it's #8. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

19:23, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I was not able to find it. None of the points seemed to apply. The first point of what to link includes -Wikipedia articles about any organization, person, website, or other entity should link to the subject's official site, if any. See § Official links.- (her blog) and number 4 on the external links to consider is -Sites that fail to meet criteria for reliable sources yet still contain information about the subject of the article from knowledgeable sources.- I think her profile at iMDB fits that description and I saw many other actor articles have links to their iMDB pages but if you tell me is wrong I will remove it. The other two I did delete as you suggested. --GFHarris (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

In

WP:ELNO, it's #11: "Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites" are to be avoided. imdb is fine to keep in external links, in the earlier version it was a corrupted template, so I didn't realize that's what you were trying to do. Looking at the Elle blog, it's not her official website, but that is a bit of a sticky wicket. Another editor might see it differently. I wouldn't not move the article to mainspace over that issue. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

21:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel, Thank you for your help. Paula Echevarría is published. Please let me know if there is anything I shoud change.--GFHarris (talk) 19:26, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, you labelled the git client page as "promotional". Why? It's not complete, but it fills a void. I added as much info as I could, and I hope others will add more.

Marjeta42 (talk) 16:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Onel59569, Thanks for looking at my draft. Regarding your comment, the naming depends on what period you are considering. It was originally developed by INMOS and was referred to ad the IMS C104, but later when ST took over it was rebranded as the STC104. I think either are valid ways to refer to the switch, but perhaps it might be more widely known as the STC104. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieHanlon (talk • contribs) 08:46, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi JamieHanlon - Thanks for responding. Nice job on the article, I've moved it to mainspace, and modified it slightly to reflect the above. Hope you keep editing. Two things, when you leave a comment on a talk page (either another user's or an article's), please remember to "sign" it by using four tildes (~~~~); also, if you're talking about a specific article, it's always polite to leave a wikilink to the article, like this: STC104. Helps the other editor know exactly what you're talking about, and makes it easy for them to take a look. Congrats on the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Onel5969 What can I do with the BRSCC Ford Fiesta Junior Article? The450 (talk) 18:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

WP:CIT on how to properly format your references. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

20:10, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Onel5969 What do I do if I can't find any sources like those ? The450 (talk) 17:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi The450 - Sorry, I missed this additional question. If you can't find sources like that, then it is unlikely it will pass notability standards. Sorry. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Onel5969 I am trying to find sources like them,, but haven't had luck yet.. The450 (talk) 19:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the one who originally created the "Ivan Gorokhov" article that got moved to "Ivan Rohov". I tried to correct the problem, but the edit history pages were messed up. I asked for some help from a senior editor, but haven't gotten a reply in three days. So, I think I've come up with another solution. It's not as good as rolling back edits (which I don't have the power to do), but it will work. Thanks for noticing the problem and your concern! WQUlrich (talk) 19:10, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

• Wow, what a mess. I just discovered there's a User page named "Ivan Rohov". This Er-bt-I fellow was just flailing around making edits without knowing what he was doing!WQUlrich (talk) 19:14, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Ivan Rohov pages and make the necessary corrections (if you feel any are needed), that might be a good thing. Thanks in advance. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

19:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank You! I don't know many other editors, I just contacted the one who put the deletion tag on the new article.WQUlrich (talk) 19:54, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I asked Er-bt-l to stop moving pages for a while, and commented at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Vladimirovich Gorokhov. All the best, Miniapolis 21:45, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel5969, thank you for reviewing my draft at

Hi, I am currently working on it (copy paste + writing etc), basically I just created the page. Please do not edit anything just yet until I am finished. Thanks --

Hi

Whjayg - That's what I thought. That's why I simply tagged it, in case you didn't get back to it, and it takes it off the NPP queue. Good luck with it. BTW, you know you can work on an article in draft space until it's ready to be moved to the mainspace, and then move it. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

16:06, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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Kind regards, John Jgdc47B (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Jgdc47B (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

WP:CIT on how to properly format them. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

18:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for those very useful comments. I have amended all the references according to the guidelines. I have a better entry for his membership of the Royal Numismatic Society (A History of the Royal Numismatic Society by R.A.G. Carson, Sothebys, RNS, London 1986) but I am waiting for a page number before using it. Is all that now sufficient do you think? Jgdc47B (talk) 17:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jgdc47B - Better. I would say he passes notability now. I got rid of the business addresses (they were unnecessary, and the source was horrendous). However, you need better sourcing for footnotes 9 and 12. If you can give more specific information on where that information is located (from a book? Letters (and if so, where are the letters published now)?), you're good to go.

Hello, I've got a question in reference of the delating of the article

With the best wishes User: Taschenlampe94 17:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

WP:NMUSIC, those are the two sets of guidelines regarding if an article about anything to do with music are notable. If a song charts it may be notable, but even that's not a guarantee. If it's in the top 25 of a major chart, that's pretty much a shoe-in. If it's on a genre chart, than it faces an even tougher challenge. I hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

16:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

User: Taschenlampe94 18:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi

conflict of interest with this subject matter. Doesn't mean you can't write about it, simply that you have to make that COI known. Usually, it's better to ask another editor if they would be interested in writing the article, or posting at Wikipedia:Requested articles

.

Now, about your article. There are several issues with it. First, more than half of the citations are what are known as "raw links", which makes them very susceptible to linkrot, which is not good. Please take a look at

WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source). Third, the article has several raw links in the body of the text (e.g. Institute of Food Technologist), these need to be removed. And fourth, and this tis into your COI, the article does not have a neutral POV. I hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

16:05, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Quite a few new citations added. Thanks in advance for taking another look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Algo8 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Nicely done, Algo8 - have moved it to the mainspace. One thing, when leaving messages, don't forget to "sign" with 4 tildes (~~~~). Good luck and keep editing. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel5969,
Enjoy the

Winter Solstice and the Christmas and holiday season.
Thank you for all your good work during 2016 in maintaining, improving and expanding Wikipedia.
All the best for 2017! Cheers, — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard

 |  16:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I tried to copy as from our competitors. What is to commercial? How can I change it? You can check out, they all do the same:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmovin
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JW_Player — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartalbrechttheo (talk • contribs) 11:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I changed the text. I removed alot I hope this is now ok. But it looks that it is still not ok. Can you please tell me what I'm doing wrong? When I see the competition they do exactly the same thing. What do I need to do? I want to listen and see what I need to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartalbrechttheo (talk • contribs) 13:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

salted, meaning that if that happens, you'll have to get permission from an admin before it can be created. While not what you were looking for, hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

15:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

The remaining references should show the subjects notability (both mainstream and independent sources), as they reference in-depth articles from reliable, secondary sources. Before I resubmit, could you please let me know if the remaining references show notability for the subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malikijames101 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's Greetings, Onel5969! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 19:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Onel5969: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Miniapolis 00:21, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you for the holiday greetings, and all the best to you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

	Merry Christmas Onel5969!!
	Hi Onel5969, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 20:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Why, thank you so much for those wishes, Titodutta! Have we ever interacted before? I occasionally do work on articles from India, but can't recall you and I ever crossing paths. I am truly humbled. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Im really clueless about this whole thing. can you please specify which part of the article that you think is not important enough to be featured on wikipedia? user:Itsaqilamazlan

Hi Itsaqilamazlan - Two things first. #1 - When leaving a comment on an editor's talk page, it always goes at the end. A simple way is to click the "new section" link at the top of the page. #2, please always "sign" your comments (either on user or article talk pages) with 4 tildes (~~~~). Now, about your article, if this is your first article, Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

• Introduction and Getting started
• Contributing to Wikipedia
• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• How to edit a page and How to develop articles
• How to create your first article
• Simplified Manual of Style
• How to structure and layout your article
• On how to properly format your citations

In a nutshell, to show notability, you'll need in-depth references from independent, reliable sources. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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That being said, to show notability, you'll need at least 3 in-depth references from independent reliable sources. If the sources are less reputable, or niche, sources, you'll need more. Right now, you have zero. You do have a valid source (#28), but that is only a good source to show that the assertion it is noting is true, it doesn't go to notability. Oh, one last thing, it definitely helps if you format your citations properly, as per

WP:CIT. I hope this helps.Onel5969 ^{TT me}

11:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to all!

	We wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2017!
	Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas, and a Happy, Glorious, Prosperous New Year! God bless!  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Draft: Worm (web serial)

I'm making the modifications you recommended to the draft. I'm not sure, though - is it really necessary to reduce things to only two citations?

WP:CITEKILL

recommends three, and it seems odd to have statements like "several reviewers noted..." with only two citations.

I've reduced them to three for now, but await your advice.--

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Hi Onel5969 -- thanks for your note. The notability of academics is often hard to assess so I tend to err on the side of caution. Generally anyone at a mainstream university with at least a lecturer role merits consideration at AfD. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 18:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

WP:NACADEMIC, (named chair or professor), was the over-riding guideline in this instance. But thanks for explaining. Just trying to make less work for folks, so want to understand better. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

18:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles don't have to pass the relevant notability guideline to clear A7 -- it's intentionally a substantially lower barrier. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Espresso Addict - ahh... got it! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969,

I was just notified by Google Alerts of the new page about Astronomers Without Borders that you created. I'm delighted to see this was done! We've had others who have offered to do this but it's never happened, and it's about time.

There are some errors that should be corrected, and of course there's much more that can be added. I've never edited a Wikipedia article -- I had to look around to even figure out how to contact you -- but would be happy to provide content guidance and references if you or someone else wants to do it.

To start, the info about Anousheh Ansari's role isn't right. It matches her roles at her company, Prodea, though, so that's probably where that came from. There really wasn't a co-founder. At present, I'm the Chairman of the Board by default since the last one left.

I see that our motto is correctly give as "One People, One Sky". I'm not sure "Share the Sky" for our slogan came from but, frankly, I don't know the difference between motto and slogan here. We have used "Share the Sky" in fundraising recently.

The idea for, and founding of, The World at Night was 100% Babak Tafreshi. It was our first project and we helped it get started but I should not get any credit for that one.

There are other little things, and of course far more that can be added, but these are a few that I think should be corrected. I'm open to any suggestions on working on this, either through you or someone else or by doing some myself. I would think the rules might discourage the organization's founder from writing about his own creation, though. I might be just a wee bit biased. :)

Thanks once again for getting us going here!

Mike Simmons Msimmons99 (talk) 19:42, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi

conflict of interest. You can feel free to put suggestions on the article's talk page, or you can communicate directly with me. As long as we have a reference which validates any assertion/fact, it can be included in the article. References from independent sources are the best. You can use non-independent sources (for instance, your groups' website), but only for limited, non-controversial items. For instance, like you being the founder. In the meantime, if you can point me to on-line sources to back up the corrections above, I'll be happy to make them. I got the motto from Astronomy Now, I'll remove the slogan, since that was simply marketing. I misread Ansari's bio on the board page, thinking the first line was the role at AWB. I've corrected that. Keep up the good work. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

20:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi onel5969. Thanks. I think the only fact I mentioned left to correct is whose idea it was for The World at Night. I don't think the cited article says that, and in fact it does say "He had entertained the idea of creating TWAN for years" in reference to Babak. I'm the article's author but maybe there's something there that sounds different to a reader?

OK, so since I'm really new to procedures here (just created an account to talk to you without being anonymous, looking up Wiki Markup, etiquette). I'll put together some ideas with citations. I'll take a look at the article's talk page as well. Quite excited to have us here!

Msimmons99 (talk) 20:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Please do not blank my article again!!! Evangp (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Evangp - you are attempting to create an article about a subject which already exists... the target of the redirect. Please feel free to contribute to the existing article.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey Evangp- my bad, I see this is a different structure (in Frankfurt), of the same name. Can you give it any notability? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm conversing with several Germans regarding the subject. They said the venue is mega-famous as many great bands performed at Kongresshalle. Keep your eyes peeled for major edits, hopefully. Evangp (talk) 02:11, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Cool... again, sorry about the initial confusion on my part. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:12, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Why are you deleting this article? Azealia Banks is a well-known artist whom has discussed this mixtape on multiple occasions. There are references for recorded songs and it has been confirmed to be released in 2017. Wizardofoz30 (TT me 13:04, 23 December 2016 (EST)

Hi

WP:NALBUM, then feel free to change the redirect back to an article. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

18:07, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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Left you a message on ACC request 188724. Amortias (T)(C) 23:59, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Amortias - but does that mean we should allow it? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:14, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Short answer, no.

Longer answer with explanation. No because the request to us and the self creation were so close together we can safely assume they managed to create it themselves.

Amortias (T)(C) 00:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant. Thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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I read your kind message. Could you please quote an example of "peacock word" or subjective expressions? Since I am not English, I might not perceive exactly the meaning of these phrases. After Christmas I would like to make some changes to the draft, and I wish to go in the right direction. Thank you and many wishes of Happy Christmas. --Pebbles (talk) 09:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Pebbles - and a very Merry Christmas to you. Now, about your draft - that message is a canned message when a draft has an in-encyclopedic tone. In most cases, that means the user has not followed a neutral POV tone. And one of the most common themes is the use of peacock terms - which are words, usually adjectives, which are subjective and add no true content to the article, but simply are put as a means to make the subject appear in a better light -- words like "esteemed", "brilliant", "the best", etc. That doesn't necessarily apply to your draft. Your draft was more of an informality about it, using phrases like "thus starting the so called..." and "After this sour experience...". Now, some of this might be because English isn't your first language. If you would like, at some point over the next week or so, I'll take a swing at copy editing the draft for you. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

It is all clear now. I tried to be objective, and I am glad that - it seems - I almost succeeded at it. It would be very kind of you if you had the time to edit the draft; this way, I could learn less informal expressions. I'll read you next week or so (no hurry).--Pebbles (talk) 15:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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{1} Wikipedia has categories, Political campaign techniques and Propaganda Techniques. For purposes of this discussion, let's consider the latter (*for which there is also an article):

The category and the "parent" article are comprised of lists of short articles describing specific techniques, which are each comparable in level of abstraction to the Dead Cat Strategy piece under consideration here. The point is to build up a library of such methods/techniques.

So if for instance the below were relevant, I'd argue Dead Cat Strategy to be relevant:

• Ad hominem
• Ad nauseam
• Appeal to fear
• (etc)

{2} In the current media environment there is considerably social utility in building a reference source of campaign and propaganda techniques: understanding these methods is a sort of defense to manipulation. Knowledge is power.

{3} (*Btw, if the content is relevant and useful but insufficiently detailed, could it perhaps be published but labeled as a "stub", as I've seen elsewhere? for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_system)

Hi Picador~enwiki - The standard is not if a subject is relevant and useful, but whether or not the subject of an article is notable enough to have a stand-alone article. And this very well might be notable, but not in its current form. As of right now, this is little more than a dictionary definition (and I encourage you to add it to Wiktionary, if it's not already there). If it were to be moved to the mainspace, you're correct, it would be a stub, but there needs to be more about the term in order for it to be more than a mere definition. Currently, more than half the article is the quote (which, btw, shouldn't really happen). If you, using citations, can develop the history section, for example, than you might be on to something. You know, first time it was used, times it has been mis-used (I would cite the Hamilton example as misuse, since it wasn't Trump's campaign which through that out there, but be careful of original research). Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969

I’d like to push back a bit further on your objections above —

I think one key point of difference between your view and mine is the appropriate unit of analysis. Seems to me the unit of analysis here, the “whole”, is the article Propaganda techniques (and/or to a lesser extent the related category, which in this instance is almost identical).

That is: the Propaganda techniques article comprises a list of techniques — so my post here, Dead Cat Strategy, is perhaps best understood as a subhead within that article. Except: the “parent” article has an enormous number of subheads. And as a result these “minor” (“child”) topics have been peeled out into short articles like mine, where additional detail as to history and examples can be provided without weighing down the main text.

By way of illustration, consider the list below. These are articles for individual “techniques” listed at Propaganda techniques; it’s not at all clear to me what threshold these pass which my submission does not. Any further clarification appreciated.

* Ad nauseam

* Appeal to fear

* Fallacy of the single cause

* Flag-waving

* Glittering generality

*

Ignoratio elenchi

* Milieu control

* Name calling

* Pensée unique

* Third-party technique

* Transfer (propaganda)

*

Unstated assumption

-- Picador~enwiki (talk) 16:56, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Not a valid argument. Please read

WP:OSE. Onel5969 ^{TT me}

17:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you mean?

WP:OSE makes 4 points. Seems to me the discussion of "Creation of articles" and "Precedent in usage" are in line with my remarks above. "Inherent notability", as defined, requires reference to "precedent in useage", so again I believe my remarks above apply, or at the very least merit more specific objection if you believe otherwise. Finally, "Deletion of articles" substantially says "see three guidelines below" -- Hence my uncertainty about what you mean with your most recent comment above. Thanks for any clarification. -- Picador~enwiki (talk

) 17:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I try. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for your notes about rejection of the Ed Brown article. I have cut the phrases and information you mentioned as problematic. I have included two new sources prior to death. One about the CBS Sports Network boxing event and another before his final bout which appeared in The Ring Magazine which is considered my many as the most important news outlet in boxing. Thanks for your assessment of the article i think it might be ready now. DanHamilton1998 (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969. I wanted to enquire as to whether you've considered running for adminship? You may have noticed that I'm trying my best to Make Adminship Not-a-big-deal Again, and so have been on the lookout for suitable candidates to nominate. You have a great editing history including heaps of content creation, a good AfD track record, a nice CSD log, are civil and friendly, and could do good work with the tools. While there are a couple of things that might come up during an RfA (we can discuss those beforehand), I think you would be well supported by a majority of voters, and I would be happy to nominate you. What are your thoughts? Sam Walton (talk) 00:41, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Samwalton9 - interesting. At one time I was very interested in becoming an admin. MelanieN and I had a chat about it. Then I actually cooled down to the entire project for a few months. But I became active again in October. I have two foci: older films and helping out with stuff that gets backlogged. Along the way I also do a bit of work on geographic articles, as well as other stuff. There are places I think I could help out with, while there are others I might be able to, but don't know enough about (AIV comes to mind). I made some huge errors, jumping in with both feet when I got involved with something new, and learned to take it slow. My trepidation is the process. With all that said, if you think I could help out, I'm more than willing. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Great! I've started a drafting area for my nomination and your answers to the standard questions at User:Samwalton9/RfA/Onel5969. See the talk page for a few questions on topics that might come up during your run. Sam Walton (talk) 11:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Samwalton9 – You were very kind in your nomination statements, thank you. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:41, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! Thanks for merging information into basalt. When you merge from another article, it would help if you linked the title in your edit summary or left a message on the talk page. That way, we can still go check its history if necessary. Thanks, and happy editing! — Gorthian (talk) 21:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Dagnabit, Gorthian – I knew that. Just sloppiness on my part. Thanks for the reminder, and have a great New Year! Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello. You notified me with comments on your new page review of the article William Oxley. I did indeed create the page, but did so two years ago as a redirect. Its current contents were created by someone else. You may want to pass your comments on to them. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:30, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Struway2 - The curate tool sends those messages automatically, so my apologies for any confusion. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:47, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've never used that particular tool, but I assumed that would be the case. What would have happened had you proposed the article for deletion, which is a rather more serious matter? would "the tool" still have blindly notified me, or would you have spotted the difference and notified the article's creator? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Scope creep. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Shuvonkor Biswas, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. scope_creep (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Scope creep - not sure what this is about. I nominated a page for deletion, and it's deleted. Regardless, hope you have a Happy New Year. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Onel5969 Seasons greetings, and thank you for your message. I have little experience on Wikipedia. If you had time, could you be kind enough to explain how the article fails to meet criteria for inclusion? The subject is obscure, but I set up the article on the grounds that a person whose name is commemorated in a village name must have some importance. Also, I tried editing the page but cannot see the text highlighted for deletion as described in your message. Thank you very much. Stephen2810 (talk) 22:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC)