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Regarding the faulty support for Luke, and the book of Acts, see Peerbolte, Paul the Missionary, page 105 - and Maccoby, The Mythmaker, passim. The burden of proof is actually on you - show me some reliable historians of the first or second century who quote Luke. The "Gospel According to Luke" was not even written by Luke (it's in 3rd person for one thing). Eusebius (c. 310) wrote that mere "tradition" is why the books have those names on them (Eusebius, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, VI, 25.4-5).MithrasPriest (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The burden of proof is on the one changing a long standing article. If you believe that the citations are faulty, prove it. At this point all you did is come in and add some negative peacock words. ReformedArsenal (talk) 14:45, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I already proved it, above. Luke is NOT a valid source, neither is Acts. And regarding "long standing article" please see the logical fallacy "argument from authority" and stop reverting my valid edits please.MithrasPriest (talk) 15:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

This isn't a debate, and Wikipedia operates on sources and precedent. The article is long standing, and changes to a long standing argument required

WP:RS who consider both Luke and Acts to be reliable enough. Unless you have published sources that say otherwise, your simply making assertions. ReformedArsenal (talk

) 15:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

You asked for sources, and I supplied 3. An hour later you give me DIFFERENT reasons why my edits are to be rejected - so I assume you got your copies of Peerbolte, Maccoby, and Eusebius, and you agreed with me, so you needed other excuses to use the UNRELIABLE words of the UNKNOWN authors of Luke and Acts? I'm sorry, this IS a debate, and your talk page alone proves you are anything but an unbiased contributor! "Wikipedia operates on sources and precedent" - no, WP has rules, and "it was that way for a long time on WP" is not one of them. "Unless you have published sources that say otherwise..." - I PROVIDED THREE INCLUDING EUSEBIUS HIMSELF!!! Utter failure.MithrasPriest (talk) 16:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, Wikipedia editing is based on

the policy

: "In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit.".

Secondly, Macoby's "The Mythmaker" is strongly criticized by contemporary scholars and does not reflect the mainstream scholarly view. Eusebius does not qualify as a WP:RS any more than Luke, and he is much further removed from the events. By the way, it doesn't matter if the author of Luke-Acts was really called 'Luke'. What matters is that it was written in the 1st century by a contemporary of Paul. That fact is not disputed in scholarly sources, and that is the reason 'Luke' is commonly used as a (fallible) source for Paul's life.

Finally, you need to be more specific about the changes you are making. For example, the addition of "self-claimed" asserts that Paul may have falsely claimed to be both a Jew and Roman citizen. That in itself requires a source and not just a general statement such as 'Acts is unreliable'. And in the sentence "Paul began to preach that Jesus is the

Christ, who he believed was the Son of God

", what exactly is the purpose of the qualification "who he believed was"? The article is saying that this was Paul's preaching, not that Jesus was actually the Son of God. The fact that this was part of Paul's message is really not in dispute, or you would need to provide a specific reference for that.

PS, may I suggest that discussions like this one should take place on Talk:Paul_the_Apostle, rather than on a user talk page? This concerns suggested changes to the content of the article, and is not a personal matter. EDIT: I've copied this thread to Talk:Paul_the_Apostle, post make any additional comments there. - Lindert (talk) 17:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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