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I thought your Chinazi close was spot-on (I had thought about changing my !vote to "endorse but redirect", since redirect was so obviously the right outcome), and the kind of bold-but-correct close that few attempt and even fewer nail. While I'm here, let me also say two things: (1) put me down as supporting promoting WP:THREE from a userspace essay to at least a mainspace essay if not an informational supplement or guideline of its own (though I understand you disagree and I understand your reasons, add me to the long list of people that think this essay should essentially be policy), and (2) I hope you seriously consider running for Arbcom this year. You have a rare combination of judgment, temperament, and experience that would make you an excellent addition to the committee. Happy editing! – Levivich 20:34, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words and the beer. I'll have a pint of

WP:OWNERSHIP which I can only justify in my userspace. My fear is if I put it in WP space, it would get pecked to death. -- RoySmith (talk)

21:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

It seems to me to be going well, those were some great answers. If it'll help, I can go do some logged out editing and you can block me? – Levivich 04:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

In response to editor's [note].

@GenxM: thanks for your note. I'll reply directly on the draft with a comment there. Best to keep the conversation in one place. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing my proposed deletion/redirect of article

@Hamptonian92: Hi, and thanks for your note. The answer to your question is a little complicated, partly because of a confusion over terminology.

Bwark Productions, it will take you to The Inbetweeners, but also notice up near the top, just under the page title, it also says, (Redirected from Bwark Productions). If you click on that link, it'll take you to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bwark_Productions&redirect=no

, where the extra "redirect=no" means, Don't execute the redirect, show me the original underlying page. From there, if you click on the "View history" link at the top, you can see the full history of the page, like it was before the redirect.

Creating that redirect is something anybody, including yourself, could have done. The next question is, would other people have objected to that? Maybe, but if they did, they could have just undone it just as easily. We call this the WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Because it's so easy to undo something like this, we make it simple for people to just go ahead and experiment. This openness sometimes leads to abuse (i.e. vandalism) but on the whole, it works pretty well.

As an alternative to just redirecting out the blue, you might have also started a conversation on the article's talk page saying, "I think this should be redirected to xxx, does anybody mind?" If people agree, or even if after a few days, nobody says anything either way, just go ahead and do it.

On the other hand, if you really wanted to delete the entry completely, as in erase its history so it can't be seen by regular users, that's something that requires the special permissions granted to admins. To do that, you need to go through the AfD process like you did. People discuss it for a week, and if there's agreement to delete it, then an admin (like myself) comes along and deletes the history.

It's possible to delete the history and also create a redirect at the same time, but we generally don't do that unless there's some good reason why the old content can't continue to exist on the system, such as copyright violations or libelous statements about somebody. Those situations are rare.

Anyway, you didn't do anything wrong. There's just a range of possible processes that might have been used in your case and I was pointing out a simpler one that you might have chosen. It's really no big deal. Hope that helps. Please feel free to ask if anything still doesn't make sense. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the review of my revised draft for IGL Studios! THX1136 (talk) 18:09, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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I've added all sources about this channel. Why it always be declined ?

If you can improve this article, do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.92.37.104 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC) / — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.92.101.62 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello 41.92.37.104/41.92.101.62, I may not be RoySmith, but I can probably answer this for you. At current, the sourcing within the draft is not sufficient to demonstrate

reliable sources which "back up" the information written in the draft/article. This draft is currently being considered for deletion due to the number of times that it has been resubmitted without any improvement. This is called tendentious editing and is not good. Declined drafts should only be resubmitted once improvements have been made, which you think reasonably addresses the concerns that have been raised by reviewers. Doing otherwise can lead to deletion as it becomes a burden for reviewers. At this point, it is best to wait for the discussion to run its course. If the draft is deleted, then please do not recreate it. If it is kept, then please make improvements to it and do not resubmit without consulting (talking) to another editor about it (you can certainly reach out to me here

in that case if you wish).

Lastly, I wanted to address your comment that "If you can improve this article, do it." That is partially the idea - that editors work together to improve articles/drafts and increase their quality - but the

burden/responsibility of sourcing the material that is added to an article or draft lies with the editor who adds the material in the first place/originally. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 15:23, 16 October 2019 (UTC) (talk page stalker

)

Should 2020 in England be class=draft, or perhaps something else?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

It got promoted from draft to mainspace, so clearly class=draft doesn't apply anymore. I'm really not an expert at the rating system, so the best advice I can give is that you should go ahead and rate them. You might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment for more specific advice than I'm able to give. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the very prompt reply. I am assessing all the ENGLAND articles, using the Rater tool at User:Evad37/rater, which I commend to your attention. I rated 2020 in England as class=stub.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 21:45, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks for the pointer to the rater tool. I've never used it, but pretty much everything Evad37 does is good stuff. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:48, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Could you please redirect

Done. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:47, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I missed them before but if you look at their talk page December 2018, and April 2019 both indicate this has happened recently. Gleeanon409 (talk) 14:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Djtechno95. I actually hadn't noticed the warnings on the IP's talk page, but no matter. Now they've been warned in both places, so if it happens again, there won't be any doubt that it's intentional and they'll get blocked. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that the editor has reverted your move, and put the article back into the mainspace. CodeLyoko^buzz 16:17, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Sigh. I'll handle it, thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:20, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

14:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you please restore Gamma Theta Phi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.61.218 (talk) 21:52, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, the AfD was unanimous to delete it. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

May I ask why? I belonged to this fraternity that existed a several catholic colleges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.66.61.218 (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

What we need is good sources that are talking about the organization. The applicable guideline is

WP:NORG. I'm not optimistic you'll be able to do that, but you can try if you want. -- RoySmith (talk)

22:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hello Roy,

Thank you for your feedback in relation to the Kenneth J. Collins page that I have been working on. I am sorry that the page did not have enough secondary sources befitting a wikipedia page and have been working to increase secondary sources for Kenneth J. Collins.

My question to you is this: Do I need to cite the secondary sources within the body of the page or simply have them included somewhere on the page? I know that the text can be adjusted to accommodate for more sources/citations. However, the list that I have is more extensive than what was previously provided.

My whole reason for seeking to create a Kenneth J. Collins page is to acknowledge him as a Methodist theologian, to which I compared many of those listed under Methodist theologians with what I created for him.

Thank you for your help in this.

Andy Newman

FeartheTurtle87 (talk) 16:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by, "My whole reason for seeking to create a Kenneth J. Collins page is to acknowledge him as a Methodist theologian"? Do you have some connection with the subject? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Just a heads up that I've seen a couple of edits on SPIs where your sig has been missing today, 1 2. I don't know if the SPI tool is barfing, or you're editing manually and expecting a sig to appear as if you were using the tool, but I thought I should let you know. Cheers, Cabayi (talk) 15:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be alert for that in the future. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

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Dear Roy Smith, I've made changes to the Water Wall Turbine draft as suggested and eliminated any potentially commercial hints. Would you please review it again and hopefully give a green light? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Water_Wall_Turbine Thank you

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Please don't remove prior review comments. I've restored the old comments; they should remain until such time as the draft is accepted. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I took a quick look. I don't see any substantial improvements. I'll leave it for somebody else to review the next time. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

My apologies RoySmith (and Bbb23) - I didn't see that another editor had already logged an SPI. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hardly necessary to apologize; it happens.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:55, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Please help me fix my badly formatted sources and also my photos taken from newspapers. According to the newspapers, there is no copyright on them. Also there is no COI. I’m not related to him nor was he a friend. I took a class from him in college.

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I don't know why you brought up COI, but since you did, yes, being a student of the subject is a

WP:COI and needs to be declared. Readers can decide for themselves how that will affect their evaluation of the article. -- RoySmith (talk)

13:37, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Not sure what I did to deserve this, but thanks! -- RoySmith (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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Should Music printed in England before 1660 be class=draft or class=list or perhaps something else?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 20:14, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid article ratings are not my area of expertise. RoySmith-Mobile (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

22:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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I ask, if possible, to block my account.--Luooda (talk) 21:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Done. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi RoySmith, hope all is well. I saw that you closed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jborges10 and warned the two editors. It looks like Mannycoca3 blanked my talk page. I'm keeping an eye on them but I just wanted to put it on your radar as well. Thanks! -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Sigh. I was just in the process of blocking them for vandalism but it looks like ST47 got there quicker. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

You closed Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Manasi2k for a lack of evidence (despite the sock creating more evidence between my filing and your closing). "moreinfo" would have been a more appropriate status than "close". Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 20:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Looks like they've already been blocked by another admin. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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Esolizg (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Esolizg: unfortunately, the review queue is quite long. You just need to be patient. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Two folks (including an admin) have already endorsed the closure over DRV and pursuant to that, I have reverted your blatant out-of-process closure, resembling a super-vote. ∯WBG^converse 13:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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I really miss good helpful people except some other like DBig and WittyHumor. But you really did a good help. Thank you sir.Edward Zigma (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)