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You have recently created a large number of pages about diseases affecting different plants, good job on that. However, simply putting a table is not quite an article. Please place lead paragraphs in the article to explain the context of the article. Just something simple like 'This is a '''list of diseases effecting [[the type of plant]].' The three apostrophes will make that text bold, as is standard in articles, and the double square brackets will make an internal link to the article of that title. Message me if I can be of any help! J Milburn 17:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it is good to see a new member writing such useful, well referenced pages. Good job. J Milburn 17:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You and I both seem to be working on the sadly abadoned phytopathology pages :) I'm trying to get a phytopathology stub created at the moment. (

I was once a plant pathologist and still have many fond memories of that life. I am a wikipedia fan, but have found that phytopathology is not well represented. I'm currently doing some grunt work and I am creating a phytopathology framework (disease lists, disease stubs) where I hope that knowledgeable phytopatholists like yourself can contribute. Somanypeople 02:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah been away from Wiki for awhile, PhD interviews have kept me busy. I like the plant disease info box you've created the question is when do we use that and when do we use the taxo box? Is it when the species and the disease have separate articles only? (

Hope that your interviews have gone well. I haven't been very actively lately either. The 'plant disease info box' still needs some work - I'm not that happy with it yet. Any suggestions would be appreciated. As for when it should be. As you know, I have a strong preference for having separate articles for the pathogen and the disease, in which case the plant disease info box would be included in the disease article. When the article includes both the pathogen species and the disease, I think that it'd be appropriate to include both the taxobox and the disease info box. btw, it was good to see your recent contributions to the phytopathology article. Somanypeople 23:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I found all the information for creating a template, but the one thing it was missing was where in the wide world of wikipedia is this template to be posted so that it actually becomes a stub! Perhaps you will understand it:

I think that I've got it ([1], [2]). Feel free to change the icon. Somanypeople 20:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You rock, I'll probably spend the afternoon stubbing things now :) Thanks for the help! (

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This was original proposed as a phytopathology-stub but it was decided to call it a plant-disesase-stub, see [[3]]

Oops! Apologies - I missed the original discussion somehow (probably didn't notice it because of the changed proposal name). Grutness...wha? 00:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a "{{

Yesterday you marked the following article, Guidelines for plant disease articles for deletion. I am relatively new to Wikipedia and I'd appreciate it if you would explain why you did so. The template states that "How-to" guides for Wikipedia articles do not belong in main article space". Is the problem the location of the article in the main article space. If so, where should it go? I've noticed that Wikipedia has a "How to" cagetory, but I haven't seen any articles on how to create a how to article. Could you please point me in the correct direction. Thanks. Somanypeople 23:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello you may

db-author}} to the article Guidelines for plant disease articles

. If you wish, I will do the move myself. Just let me know.

In general, "how to" articles are not allowed on Wikipedia (see

the help desk. I hope this helps. Feel free to ask any other questions, and I will do my best to answer them. Cheers, Black Falcon 05:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks for your response and your suggestions. For the time being I will host the guidelines/style guide on user subspaceStyle guide for plant disease articles until I get some feedback from members of the 'plant disease' article community as to whether they feel the style guide would be of some benefit.

I wish you the best of luck in developing the guideline. Cheers, Black Falcon 23:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a page on powdery mildew, which specifically has a paragraph on barley. So, I redirected your

Thanks, but, the powdery mildew article is a general discussion of pathogens that produce powdery mildew symptoms on a variety of different host species. The Powdery mildew (barley) article (and I corrected the spelling of mildew) is an article specificly about powdery mildew of barley. The article is currently a stub and will be expanded.

Hi again - after leaving comments on the platanus diseases, I looked through your edit record and noticed a couple of things worth mentioning about the names. First is another US-British thing, the article

Thanks. I changed the name to List of Persian walnut diseases. "The term “English” applied to walnuts is a misnomer. It apparently refers to the English merchant marines whose ships transported the nuts for trade around the world." I also made the correction to Douglas. Somanypeople 00:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I love the plant disease lists you've been coming up with, and I like the style guidline as well, but I'm wondering if you'd consider helping with this sort of thing on Wikibooks. I'm currently the only active author of A Wikimanual of Gardening, and lately I've mostly been working on pest and disease issues, including compiling lists both of the pests and diseases affecting various plant genera, and lists of the plant species affected by particular pathogens or pests (wander around b:Category:A Wikimanual of Gardening a bit and you'll see what I mean... I use wikilinks in both directions). I eventually want to replace the "lists" as they are now to "troubleshooting guides" for each plant (e.g., if a Rhododendron has notched leaf margins, look for Weevils, then see the page on controlling weevils). It will of course take many years to do a complete treatment of this, but the more the merrier! Interested? --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 20:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interested, yes, but, at this point I think that I need to focus on what I'm working on now, there's a lot to be done. Good luck with gardening manual. Somanypeople 23:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Somanypeople. What's the best way to "interpret" pest and disease lists from "old genera" that have either been broken up or eliminated? An obvious example is pest and disease data for

BTW, one concern with APSnet is its copyright. You might want to consider trying to use multiple sources for the articles you're creating, because a lot of the pages you've created are pretty much just copies of the pages on APSnet. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 17:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, however, the pages are evolving and I hope that additional references will be added as time goes on. It is my hope that since the American Phytopathological Society is a non-profit organization dedicated to the study and control of plant diseases, that they would not object to the use of these lists in a noncommercial work such as wikipedia.Somanypeople 23:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to merge the two rust articles but there is some debate over what name they should be merged under. I was thinking for now the pathogen's name could just be used but if not my first choice would be wheat leaf rust as its more descriptive. It doesn't matter that much because redirects will be created anyway...Just asking since your my fellow plant pathologist. (

I'm North American centric, so my preference is wheat leaf rust, but either is fine. However, if you decide to use brown rust, I would suggest that you rename the article to 'Brown rust (wheat)' for the purposes of disambiguation. Although, unlike most other disease names, I think that brown rust is quite specific and is pretty much only used to describe a disease of wheat. When you do the merge, you might also want to add a reference to the following article: http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=9915. Also, in the next few days I'm going to take another look at fixing up the disease info_box and then that could be added and it would list the various common names for the disease. Somanypeople 12:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I've been working on this pathogen in the UK for a year and we always called it wheat leaf rust so I think that is the best choice. (

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I'd rather have the lists deleted than ask APS for permission to use them. It's ridiculous that they have any sort of copyright on these lists in the first place. This is the type of information that they should be encouraging others to make use of for both non-commercial and commercial purposes. If you want to advocate for the lists to be deleted, feel free to do so. Somanypeople 18:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quite frankly I'd rather have the lists... it's good information and might help us prioritize particular diseases that are found on many plants. But the lists were made by the people at APS, and so we have to respect their copyrights even if we don't agree with them. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 19:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just talking to some folks on IRC about this, and they advised me to bring it up on

WP:ANI for more opinions. I'll do so, but please don't take this as anything other than genuine concern... you've done so much work on these lists, and I really hope you'll continue to make more of them if our "copyright experts" think it's OK. If it is OK, you can be sure that I'll be importing each and every list you made to Wikibooks, because this kind of list will be very helpful there :). --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 19:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply

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OK, I've asked around more, and apparently since they're "objective lists", they aren't eligible for copyright. Sorry to be alarmist, I just saw how much work you were doing, and if it were me, I'd be pretty upset if after hundreds more hours work, it all ended up being deleted :).

I'm wondering though what you think about adding "pests" to this as well. Interlinking the pests as well as the diseases could also be helpful for diseases spread primarily by vectoring insects (viruses mostly, but also some fungi and bacteria). Vectoring relationships are quite cutting edge, so including them on Wikipedia (and/or Wikibooks) could be helpful for those researching the ecology of phytopathology. On the Wikibooks side, this is more aimed at the practitioner: A_Wikimanual_of_Gardening/Macrosteles_facifrons, for example, will be linked from A_Wikimanual_of_Gardening/Aster Yellows, but also provides links to genera that serve as hosts to the Aster Leafhopper, including weeds, so that a farmer, gardener, or nurseryman can have a guide to identifying alternate hosts for the insect, control the insect on both the cultivated plants and any alternate hosts in floral strips or meadows, etc. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 15:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Are these from Wikispecies? If not you might also be interested in contributing to that project... ShakespeareFan00 19:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

have also created a category [[Category: Fungal plant pathogens and diseases]] for your recent additons. Hope it helps ShakespeareFan00 19:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but, the category that I meant to use was Category:Plant pathogens and diseases, which already exists.

I'd created the new category as it was more specific :). ShakespeareFan00 19:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phytophthora

Hi Somanypeople,

Phytophthora is formely cited as a fungus, but now it is cited in the Chromista kingdom. (see Phytophthora)

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Invitation to join

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Hello, Somanypeople and thank you for your contributions on WikiProject aiming to improve coverage of plant-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to help out and participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks! Rkitko (talk) 02:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply ]

Plant disease stubs

Hi; you might well be interested in this proposal for subtypes of the plant diseases, as creator of many of the articles. Alai 22:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Please can you try to add a little info to your plant diseases thanks ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 21:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You seem quite knowledgable on your synomyns for species. Do you think

I'm pretty certain that Erysiphe poligoni is either a misspelling for Erysiphe polygoni, or a translation of it to another language, but I'm not certain which language. Perhaps Esperanto. In Esperanto, Polygonaceae is Poligonacoj. In any case, lupin is one of the host species for Erysiphe polygoni, so the odds are that that's what you've got. Somanypeople 20:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening, Somanypeople. Great to see your mildew page. I'm a specialist in powdery mildews - of barley in particular, but I've also worked on wheat and cucumber. I'm starting to add to the Blumeria graminis page, although I've only got as far as tidying up the names of the formae speciales so far.

I don't want to duplicate material between the

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Sorry for not responding sooner - I haven't been very active lately. My philosophy is that there should be separate articles for pathogens, hosts and diseases with some overlap between them. There's so much to say about each of them. With obligate parasites it gets a little tougher to justify separate articles for the pathogen and disease. I guess it makes sense to have just one article if it is fairly short, but as it expands it's probably appropriate to create separate articles. However, I'm easy. Whichever way you want to go is fine with me. What I'd really love to see is other pathologists like yourself get involved with wikipedia.

Taxonomy for some Rhizopus articles

Hi,

I'm going through categorising some of the fungus articles in Category:Plant diseases and pathogens according to taxonomy. I've run across two articles that you created which puzzle me a little. I'd just like to check that

Rhizopus stolonifer var. stolonifer and Rhizopus circinans belong in the class Dothideomycetes and not in the class Zygomycota. Only, there are four or five other articles about species in the Rhizpous genus which are placed in the class Zygomycota. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 22:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Merging Coffee rust articles

Hi there! Great to see a fellow plant pathologist on here. I have just found the Coffee rust article stub and have merged it with Hemileia vastatrix until such time as the content is expanded. I saw you had links to both articles from your page User:Somanypeople/Style guide for plant disease articles. Any probs, please get in touch. Many thanks, Safflle (talk) 04:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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