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Re: Advice

Thanks for the advice. Though sometimes they continue on with their trollish behavior and its unlikely that they'll be bored and move on, because they're just that determined even when ignoring them. Plus, looking at this particular anon user, it seems they've been using a VPN of the sort to evade blocks. Best to look into this if possible. Thank you. 2604:B000:B137:FF36:64D8:D16E:1F5F:541F (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, they're using
Telecom Italia. Which is frequently mistaken for a VPN, given that they assign customers IPs from about 250 small ranges. Suffusion of Yellow (talk
) 18:54, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Interesting. Hope they can contact this company about this particular incident. I don't live in Italy myself so I don't know anything about it, but maybe there are Italian users on here (preferably admins) that could look into this. 2604:B000:B137:FF36:64D8:D16E:1F5F:541F (talk) 22:06, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
There are more vandals than you probably realize. The usual method of dealing with them is just
WP:EMERGENCY. I don't consider this a plausible threat (reads more like a child trying to sound tough), but if you disagree, feel free to report them. Suffusion of Yellow (talk
) 22:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks

For this update - the extra buttons are definitely going to come in handy. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:16, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, ProcrastinatingReader. It's always nice to know someone other than me finds these scripts useful! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:07, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

suggest that filter 716 be set to tag or disallow

see discussion at

Wikipedia:EFN#716. 137a (talk
) 14:02, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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Something has turned up on a disambig page

Re: [1] on Talk:Sn*@d - please refer to that page's editing history. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 02:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Replied by email. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:21, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. Got it. It all just seemed...hmmmm, at the very least "interesting" y'know? Shearonink (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Something you could've tried for filter 1218

I suggest maybe that you make filter 1218 (hist · log) case-insensitive and include empty requests without signatures. Thanks 137a (talkedits) 15:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I would have thought that most requests like this come from people just copy-and-pasting the instructions, in which case it will be capitalized just like in the original, and include the signature. Any examples which suggest otherwise? This sort of edit isn't exactly disruptive, so it needs to be really common to justify a filter. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:58, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

AIV Edit Filter trip... Input needed

Hey, you seem to be familiar with Filter 1135, it was tripped recently and your input may be helpful. See

WP:AIV. --Jayron32
19:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

(tps) @Jayron32: Special:Log/zzuuzz. Not your usual suspects, but suspect none the less. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks.
Resolved
. --Jayron32 12:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

RFA

Good day SoY,

Would you be interested in turning this link blue? Taking Out The Trash (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

HELP

Bonjour, je suis nouvelle sur wikipedia, j'ai écrie un article sur un chef que j'apprécie. On me demande de wikifier la page, mais je ne comprends pas vraiment ce que je dois modifier 2001:861:5E50:49B0:A8E4:36FA:5367:D721 (talk) 15:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

1014

Hey, you might want to modify that filter to exclude admins, or perhaps anyone with rights, to reduce false positives. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: Disabled for now, because I'm not sure what to do with that. It's supposed to be tracking a Firefox bug that causes unintentional page corruption when you close and then reopen an editing tab, so in theory it should be applied to all non-bot users. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Filter 12

Did you mean to disable the filter in Special:AbuseFilter/history/12/diff/prev/27938? Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see the comment at Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard/Archive_10#12. There's definitely a lott of overlap. 20 of the last 500 hits were saved, so I could go either way on disallowing or disabling this filter. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
@Galobtter: I could go either way also. I set it back to disallow for now; that wasn't supposed to be a half year long test! The condition limit has been doubled, so pruning filters is now more about runtime, and mental strain on those trying to remember what ~300 filters do. But no objection to disabling. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
On a similar note, it seems you set Special:AbuseFilter/420 to log only but haven't re-enabled any actions. A quick check of the log seems to confirm that the edits are generally vandalism. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Alright, set it to warn. Restoring the old setting of disallow+throttle seems kind of pointless; there were only a few hits per day before I removed the throttle. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for traps and pitfalls

I just ran into Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Traps_and_pitfalls#Test/examine_interface_and_recent_changes while testing Special:AbuseFilter/1245, and would have had no idea what was going on if I hadn't read that. Also big thanks for User:Suffusion of Yellow/batchtest-plus and all the other useful filter-related scripts of which I have installed all. I would not want to go back to the days before batchtest and honestly don't know how I edited filters without it. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:02, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Updated it a bit, since apparently at least user_age is correct now. I don't see how the other variables could be easily fixed; The "real" added_lines isn't saved anywhere unless a filter trips (hence 1201 (hist · log)), and answering "what was this user's edit count at this time" seems like an expensive database query to run on 100 users. And I'm happy batchtest-plus has found at least a few users. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

EFH

Hi Suffusion of Yellow, I've been considering requesting EFH, as a lot of the filters are private, especially the ones that always have false positives, and I have a basic understanding of perl regex, with intent to learn more. I was wondering if you would consider me as someone who would be a good candidate for the right. On a side note, Illusion Flame has proposed disabling filter 1248, as its just constantly filling up the filter log. Thanks, Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 15:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: I would probably not support at this time. I generally like to see at least one of:
  • Long-term dedication to filter-related matters. I can only find about 50-60 edits to filter-related pages, mostly going back about three weeks.
  • Serious in-depth digging. Figure out which part of the filter matched, and whether it's fixable, etc. I realize there's a chicken-and-egg problem here, since you need EFH to access Special:AbuseFilter/test and other tools. But do the best you can.
  • Extensive experience with other technical matters; e.g. bots, user scripts, or complex template/module editing. Not seeing much of that.
Now, my standards are probably higher than some others. I see EFH as "EFM in training", a view not shared by everyone. But I'd suggest waiting. Do keep up the good work, though. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

A
barnstar
for you!

The Usability Barnstar
WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU and others. Have a Barnstar! {{u|Sdkb}}talk
04:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Sdkb! I probably should write an essay or something about occasionally changing your preferences, just to see what other people see. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I limit the scripts/gadgets I use for that exact reason. I think that piece of advice could fit into a larger essay about editing with readers in mind;
WP:READER could be turned into that but doesn't quite fit currently. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk
22:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking more along the lines of Edsu's hat, e.g. "How could you have missed that notice!? It's bright orange and filling the screen!" "What notice? I never got a notice." "Of course you did. Are you just trying to gaslight us..." etc. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Hah, ah, that makes more sense now! {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks

I'm not even sure what the filter was angry about, but I was reverting in a paragraph on LGBT populations, so I guess that had something to do with it. Thanks again for dealing with that vandal! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it's supposed to catch multiple uses of some words, e.g. "He's gay, totally gay..." and so on. You've probably been told this about seven million times already, but if you create an account, you'll be excluded from most filters one you're autoconfirmed. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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mark-reverted

Hi, is it possible to use this on new vector? User:Suffusion of Yellow/mark-reverted

I think it doesn't work on new vector. Tehonk (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tehonk: Thanks for reporting. Should be fixed now. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing it, it works now. Tehonk (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
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"Does not have the privilege of reporting other users to ANI"

While I understand that someone like

ANI you've recently closed. If you could explain to me that would be great. (Sorry if my question sounds kind of annoying.) Millows! | 🪧
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A much shorter, and more policy-based, answer would be
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@Illusion Flame: Thanks, replied. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

I think I remember you do some coding for filters...

But anyway...maybe you could take a look at these edits for the creative ways some folks are getting around all the Chuck Feed etc stuff: [2] & [3]. I'd never seen the "code" workaround & the other wording is also connected to the meme. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 02:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Replied by email. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you. I agree. Shearonink (talk) 00:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hm

I guess we were ahead of our time.[4][5] ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

EFH

Hello. I'm considering requesting EFH soon, and would like any advice you might be able to toss my way. I'm mainly involved with false positives (edits seen here) and, ever since your FilterDebugger script, I've been able to examine the causes behind a filter tripping more easily. It's mostly the reasons I'd expect (the problematic edits are usually a no-brainer), though I've found a few interesting ones here and there. EggRoll97 (talk) 05:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

If you want to what I think, it's that creating the EFH right was a mistake; it's a read-only right which makes "abuse" (e.g. poor security practices) impossible to detect. And I've never felt we have a shortage of EFHs; it's always more EFMs (willing to actually update filters) that we need. So I tend to sit out most EFH requests, because it's usually not my objection to the specific candidate.
My concern is always the next user showing up with "well, you granted it to user:X and I clearly have more experience", and you've got to admit that they're right. Then we end up with an attack surface of 2000 EFHs. Will all that said, I think I will support you, but, for the reasons given above, it's not going to be the sort of "strong support" where I badger any opposers...
If you want to know what other people will think, the four previous requests are going to be an issue. Definitely be up front about that, link to the archives from your request, and explain what's different.
Also, always happy to know that someone finds FilterDebugger useful; any suggestions for improvement? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
I can't say I disagree with your concerns (namely because a point was raised a few years ago that it might be better to just run the gauntlet for adminship instead, given the level of sheer trust that would be necessary), and share at least a part of them. As for FilterDebugger, no specific feedback. I will say that getting into it without any experience does take a bit of tinkering, but all good things do, so I'd say that's a plus more than anything. I'd say FilterDebugger is perhaps the reason I actually started taking a look at why filters tripped, rather than just whether the edit was supposed to be disallowed, and mainly because it made it so easy to do so. EggRoll97 (talk) 02:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

FilterDebugger not working

Apparently, when I use Google Chrome on a laptop or my iPhone 8 Plus, it only shows the title Debugging edit filter with a blank page below said title. Is there any way to fix the issue? Thanks. —

chatsee here
) 03:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@
64andtim
:
I'll need some more details:
Thanks. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I've sent you an email regarding this. Thanks. —
chatsee here
) 20:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
@
64andtim: Thanks, replied. (I will not send a notice of further replies, but my emails tend to end up in the spam folder.) Suffusion of Yellow (talk
) 20:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I've already sent you another email regarding my laptop's user agent, and your first email didn't end up in my spam folder. — ) 20:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
@
64andtim
:
Sorry can't figure this out. Copied both your common.js and global.js into an alt account, and with the almost the same browser (on Linux), and every skin, it works for me. Does it at least work in safe mode? Try:
  1. Go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage/FilterDebug?safemode=1
  2. While still on that page, open your browser console, and enter importScript("User:Suffusion of Yellow/FilterDebugger.js")
Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
This does work for me but doesn't if it has safemode disabled. —
chatsee here
) 22:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
When safemode is disabled and I opened my browser console, it showed various errors (Uncaught TypeError and Reference errors). — ) 22:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Can you paste the full error messages? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
This would be too long to see what I've copied and pasted so I've sent you an email of what the messages look like instead. —
chatsee here
) 22:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
@
64andtim: Thanks, that was helpful! Managed to reproduce almost exactly those messages (in both Firefox and Chrome) by enabling the "Image Annotator" gadget. If you're using that gadget, try disabling it. Suffusion of Yellow (talk
) 23:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I've turned Image Annotator off, and it does work! Maybe you should put on your FilterDebugger documentation page that for the script to work, they should disable the Image Annotator gadget off in their preferences. Thank you! — ) 23:45, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Good! I think I've narrowed down the problem with ImageAnnotator, and I'll propose a fix soon. It's likely to cause issues for any script using String.prototype.endsWith(), which apparently includes vue.js. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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… if you’d let us turn this link blue you wouldn’t need to ask in the first place! :P firefly ( t · c ) 21:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Pick me, pick me, pick me, to help turn that blue. Also I feel like I have more to say than I did when we last discussed this 3 years ago about the concern you expressed at the time. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm going to selectively interpet your "thanks" to my edit about having more to say as an OK to email you those thoughts. So you've got mail. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:13, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
It was bit more of a "I'll let you know when I'm ready, but it seems rude for me to leave a complement totally unacknowledged". I have read your email, though, and I'll try to reply soon. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 03:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
I just wanted to stop by: it will be great to have you as an admin. Your technical experience is one of the best we have on this site right now. I know that this has probably been said many times by many others, and this is ultimately your decision, but you have my support. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 03:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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That Simpsonish filter...

...this edit slipped by. I don't know how to construct filters but seems like Sn**dville, TN would be ripe for exploitation by these SPAs. And if I don't get a chance before Christmas & New Years...Happy Holidays. And I appreciate all you do around here. Shearonink (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Replied by email. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
But to the second part, thank you, and Happy Holidays also. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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