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Please don't mark edits minor

Please read

talk) 17:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply
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I won't do it any more, though I thought that a few tags are 'minor'. Thanks. Toothie3 (talk)

Thanks

Thanks and No problem glad to help. Good work on finding the sources, they were really helpful.♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I echo Yasmina in thanking you for your great efforts with the pan-Arabism article. We'll be looking forward to more cooperation on other articles related to Middle Eastern minority groups :) --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 00:18, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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Arabism's fascism

- From the

NYTimes the pan-Arabist Futuwwa Youth was a model of the Hitler Youth [1]
.

- More from the

NYTimes "The most radical of the Pan-Arabists openly admired the Nazis and pictured their proposed new caliphate as a racial victory of the Arabs over all other ethnic groups" [2]
.

- Book: Rethinking nationalism in the Arab Middle East (- by James P. Jankowski, I. Gershoni - 1997 - History - 372 pages, published by Columbia University Press) p. 18

- Pan-Arab radicalism was expressed in diverse forms in 1930s Iraq. In 1935 the "Muthana Club" was established in Baghdad and rapidly became a forum for the educated from all parts of the Arab world and a center for the dissemination of Arab nationalist propaganda. Nationalist radicalization was also evident in the formation, in the late 1930s, of s paramilitary youth movement [al-futuwwa] modeled on fascist and Nazi youth organizations, sponsored by the government and officially instituted in Iraqi schools [3]

- Muslim schools that were directed by the Maqasid Islamic Charitable Association provided Najada a pool of potential members. As a Muslim 'twin' to the Phalangists, as the organization was often described, Najjada adopted a pan-Arab nationalist vision, calling for a suppression of all foreign influences. The ambivalent relation of such pan- Arab concepts to ethnocentric and racial nationalism became visible in its slogan 'Arabism above all' (al-'uruba fawqa al-jami').[4], Najjada (Helpers)... pan-Arabism... since at least 1933 newspapers had been printing Hitler's speeches and excerpts from Mein Kampf.

Mussolini were viewed in both Syria and Lebanon as models of strong statebuilders... Nasuli criticized "moral chaos" in public life and adopted the motto "Arabism Above All" on his newspaper's masthead, which also printed glowing accounts of German youth's support of Hitler [5]
(Colonial Citizens By Elizabeth Thompson p. 193), 'the Helpers' fascist style organization was emphasising Islam and Arabism ('The Near East since the First World War' By Malcolm Yapp p. 113). [6].

- A number of ex-Sharifians incorporated Pan-Arabism into the platforms of clique-based political parties, such as Yasin ... in the al-Muthanna Club, whose members, heavily influenced by European fascism, formed the core of new radicals for the civilian-military Pan-Arab coalition led by Yunis al-Sab'awi and Salah al-Din al-Sabbagh. [7], From the book: 'The modern history of Iraq' (Phebe Marr - 2003) p. 52: Pan-Arab sentiments were strongly influenced by German ideas of nationalism and were encouraged by Fritz Grobba, German (Nazi) minister in Baghdad until 1939 [8].

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Hitler's new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arabian Peninsula and, from there, on to Africa--grand dreams." [9]

- Some of the new nationalist regimes which developed in the Middle East during the second half of the century exhibited more of the characteristics of fascism than those of any other part of the world. A first example was the Egyptian regime under Nasser, with its Fuhrerprinzip... Libyan dictatorship of Muammar al-Gadhafi a fanatical Muslim... "Brother Colonel" has renounced capitalism, preaching pan-Arabism and a form of "Arab socialism" while his interest in militarism, violence. [10]

- Frank Gervasi: King Farouk, Egyptian nationalism soon identified itself spiritually with its Nazi and Fascist counterparts, and developed into Pan-Arabism [11]

- Key among these Gestapo men was Fritz Grobba,/b>, Berlin’s envoy to the Middle East, and often called "the German Lawrence" because he promised a Pan-Arab state stretching from Casablanca to Tehran [12]

- In 1947, Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League to Champion Human Rights published memorandum for the Assembly of the United Nations, November, 1947: "Pan-Arab propaganda, its pro-fascist and pro-Nazi aspects in America" [13]

- Pan-Arabism actively supported Hitler's "achievements" in Europe and collaborated with him against the British in the Middle East during the war. An ideology tailor-made for Arab military men it dreamed of the creation of a modern and unified Arab-fascist nation. [14]

- From the book: Inside Pan-Arabia. BY mj STEINER. (Chicago: Packard and Company. 1947 [15]) page 157: Italy's prestige in the Near East ran high as a result of Mussolini's propaganda and Fascist gold.

- From the book: "Language planning and policy in Africa: Algeria, Côte d'Ivoire by Robert B. Kaplan, Richard B. Baldauf - 2007 - 308 pages, pt 69
Messali spent several spells in prison or exile. As an expatriate, he lived six months in Switzerland (1935-1936) where he met Emir Chekib Arslan - a Pan-Arabist from the Lebanese aristrocarcy, well known for his sympathy for Nazi ideology and a yearning for the re-creation of an Arab kingdon led by a 'King of all the Arabs'... Messali's association with Arslan strengthened the former's adherence to Pan-Arabism and Arab-Islamic ideology
[...] There were, on the one hand moderates... eaded by Messaly himself who believed that the birth of Algeria coincided with the Arab invasion and the spread of Islam - their slogan: an 'Arab-Islamic Algeria'. On the other hand, there were ... of Kabylian origin - who rejected such a national conception as simplistic, racist and imperialist. They called for more secularism and an 'Algerian Algeria'. They believed that, in addition to the Arabic and Islamic constituent parts, Algerianness should also include Berber, Turkish and... French... the government's aim was to appease the religious fundamentalists and the Pan-Arabists. The RCD declared the law of total Arabisation to be racist and a prelude to bringing the Islamists of the FIS to power. [16]


Samples of Arabism's racism

  • In General

From The Guardian:
Minority rights? No thanks! When so many people face oppression in the Middle East, is there any point in focusing on the rights of minorities?... As Mr Feki rightly pointed out in his talk, ethnic and religious diversity is something that pan-Arab nationalists and, more recently, Islamists, have tried to obliterate. [17]


  • From the book by G. Prunier, Darfur: The Ambiguous Genocide (Cornell University Press, 2005,
    ISBN 0-8014-4450-0) p. 45, Gaddhafi's “Arab Gathering” jammu al-Arabia - "a militantly racist and pan-Arabist organization which stressed the 'Arab' character of the province."

[18]



By Jim Hoagland Sunday, April 10, 2005; Page B07 Dear Saddam, [...] But the moment represents much more. This is matrix-breaking stuff, Saddam. It is the nail in the coffin for the racist myth of pan-Arabism that you (okay, okay, you and others) propagated to justify brute force as the lowest common denominator of power in the Middle East. Your claim to defend "Arabism" by persecuting the Kurds (and going to war against the Persians in Iran) ... Here's my point: The Middle East is a giant mosaic of religious and ethnic minorities that have until now known only how to persecute or be persecuted. Frequently the claim of cultural, political and religious cohesiveness contained in pan-Arabist ideology such as yours is put forward to mask the true diversity and conflicts of the people known as Arabs.
Suppressing diversity is what you were all about. The same is true for your ideological brothers yet personal enemies, the ruling Baathists in Syria, who represent a minority Alawite sect that can rule only by force. No wonder they see themselves as imperiled by democracy arriving next door. Let's hope for once they are right.]



  • African activist extensively on the racism, on Arabization & persecution of non-Arabs [19]



The displacement of Jews from Arab countries was not just a backlash to the creation of Israel and the Arabs' humiliating defeat. The "push" factors were already in place. Arab League states drafted a law in November 1947 branding their Jews as enemy aliens. But non-Muslim minorities, historically despised as dhimmis with few rights, were already being oppressed by Nazi-inspired pan-Arabism and Islamism. These factors sparked the conflict with Zionism, and drive it to this day. [20]


Racism of Arabism- A writer: "The Arab Nation was defined within an ideology of pan-Islamism that dated from the 1890s. It promoted a pan-Arab totalitarian nationalism and proclaimed the Arab a superior people." [1]

- While Ba'thism and its Pan-Arab philosophy still formed the doctrinal basis for Iraq's totalitarian regime, ... had been mighty and flourished, so had the Arab nation as a whole. Saddam was positioning the Iraqis as a superior race. [2]

- (From "The Confrontation: Winning the War Against Future Jihad" by Walid Phares - 2009 - 304 pages, pg 109) Along with

Africans... The Berbers, the pre-Arab native peoples of North Africa, were particularly marginalized in Algeria after the after the withdrawal of the French
in the early 1960s. Denied cultural autonomy, they rose against oppression multiple times only to be suppressed by the Arab nationalist regime in Algiers... In Sudan, one can see extremism in the guise of racism merging with radicalism in ideology -- another marriage of Arab ultranationalism and Islamic fundamentalism... The result, as in the previous examples, is an extreme, inhuman treatment of a minority. [3]

Toothie3 (talk) 06:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nableez's intimidation part1

I want to believe that you are not a racist against non-Arabs, maybe you support a racist ideology without realizing it is so?

Do not intimditae people, this is a free system not a pan-Arab Pan-Islamic society. Toothie3 (talk) 01:41, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

Do not put split other peoples comments with your own, reply after their post. nableezy - 19:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a mistake of a newbie, thanks.

Toothie3 (talk) 19:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then please stop doing it over and over, I kept all your comments, just moved them to the end of the section, and you keep putting them back into the middle of N-HH's post. nableezy - 19:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nableezy been complaining more about the Articlego here a thread here ♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 22:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The more he talks the more he discredits his argument its transparency is already revealed.

Will be addressing this in a few days too, have a great weekend!

Toothie3 (talk) 01:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Biased Arabic Wiki TemplateHey Toothie3!

Some people want to delete a template that says Arabic Wikipedia is biased. If you could support us by voting to keep the template, please do so by clicking here.

Thanks for your help mate! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ[talk] 22:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 2010

Pan-ArabismPlease stop your vandalism on the
Pan Arabism
the RS has already been discussed!

Toothie3 (talk) 06:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expressing one's views that the sources in the article aren't
WP:VANDAL
for a better understanding of what is and isn't vandalism.
Also, please feel free to discuss the issue of the sources at
WP:RSN. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Malik Shabazz vandalismDo not abuse your experience here in order to shut down people's voices, as said already above the RS have been discusesed, you did TOO MANY REVERT EDITS in the last short amount of time.

If you have an issue with a source please feel free to discuss it on that talk page, reverting so many (DICUSSED issues) edits amounts to vandalism, you should know that by now.

Toothie3 (talk) 06:47, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Be careful, he filed a 3RR case against you here. Let's not give up on this fight! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ[talk] 06:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thanks, he is also lying that I am "after him", it's all part of intimidating us to shut our voices against the radical Islamic POV push.

In fact I am not after him, I was emailed a few links that sound biased and edited them without relation to Malik.

Toothie3 (talk) 07:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I

nableezy & malik Shabazz Wikihounding me?I & others did answer nableezy's (POV) on that talkpage over there.

It's useless to repeat on another talk page, again.

Are you two "Wikihounding" me?

As I said to Nableezy, he can not intimidate minorities' voices against intolerant

Pan Arabism
totalitarian controlled entity, this is wikipedia, free for all.

I already answered before that I am not "after" Malik or anyone else, nothing "personal", I was emailed a few links (with suggestion of radical Islamic bias) which I edited with no relation to Malik or anyone else. This/my response was deleted, that's another violation by someone that "complaints" of being a "victim", imagine that!

Toothie3 (talk) 04:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Biased Arabic Wikipedia Template

Sockpuppetry
case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a

sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Toothie3 for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. nableezy - 21:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

Is Nableezy's sockpuppetting? his desperate low type of obsessive-persecution, this 3rd time againI know you are upset for telling the truth on the racism in
Pan Arabism
. How dare you Nableezy lower yourself to this kind of obvious lie? As I told you Nableezy before, we won't shut up just because you intimidate us. First you tried to ask admin. to block me because you were supposedly "offended", than you tried with Malik Shabbazzz to block me because I edited another page that Malik happened to be, "accusing" me of "wikihounding,", now this? What's next? This totalitarian type of masking persecution under "wiki rules" won't work! it won't help you sensoring voices against the racism of pan Arabism, I say it again. Nor does it bring honor to your Islam.
1) I am sure that the administrators can differenciate between people and my IP address and others that might or might not agree with my views, needless to defend against a supposed accusation because I might share a view with someone.
2) As far as sources, like every other person I do research, and... there's such a thing called internet...
3) If someone maybe using/supports my argument that I wrote on the talk page, that doesn't make him/she "me."
4) Anyone that sees my talk page can see that I don't have much experience on wikipedia, and I am still evolving, so much for the s.p. idea.
5) As to Nableezy's ridiculuos obsessive "watching over me" when I am going on a break, I will "make sure" to "announce' when I am to be on/off line.
Come to think of it speaking of the idea of SP sockpuppetting are you sure you are not that IP Kuwaiti IP address [21] address? The difference is that I don't accuse you with a certainty like you claim to "know". though we can all guess that you don't really believe that I use another account

Last not least, be careful when you try to "accuse" on wikipedia someone that you don't like, I am not against "arabs" but against the racist ideology of pan-Arabism and its crimes against humanity. Be careful not to get blocked when you so desperately try to ban and "accuse" (I will say it again, wikipedia is not a totlitarian pan-Arab, pan-Islamic entioty, this is called democracy)! In fact I am against the intolerance of Arabism upon all non-Arabs, or on all no-Arab-enough...

Toothie3 (talk) 17:42, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


March 2010

March 2010Dear Nableezy/Malik Shabazz, Please do not GO AFTER ( attack) (trying to block a member 3 times via false ideas) those that disagree with your opinions, thank you. If you have an opinion against a user voice your opinion do not attempt to "castigate" via "accusations", it disrupts the civil discourse, thank you.

Toothie3 (talk) 05:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Assyrians & racist Pan Arabism, ArabizationThe Assyrians have faced and continue to face a systematic Arabization, Turkification, and Kurdification policies by Pan-Arab governments [4] [5].
  • ...In Lebanon, once a majority Christian country, Christians represent only 34% of its population of four million people, according to the World Christian Database. The database, which bases its work on church estimates, says Arab Christians’ percentage in the Palestinian territories has also dropped from 5.3% in 1970 to 2.5% of 3.7 million Palestinians today.In Jordan, a country of 5.4 million people, the Christian population dropped from 5% in 1970s to about 3% now, according to a U.S State Department report. But, in Egypt, the number of Copts - Egyptian Christians - range from 5.6 million, according to Egyptian government estimates, to 11 million people, according to Coptic Church estimates. Nonetheless, they complain of discrimination in the most populated Arab country of 80 million people. One example of this is that the government still restricts the building of churches in Egypt,
    The Christian flight from Syria occurred in part for economic reasons. [...]
    In October 1986, 22 members of the Assyrian Democratic Organisation - founded in 1957 in Qamishli to promote Assyrian rights in Syria - were arrested for opposing the government’s official policy of Arabization. They were released after six months in detention.

[...] government policies of Arabization and discrimination against ethnic minorities, including Kurds, as well as economic crises are pushing these minorities - especially Assyrians - to abandon their homes they built brick by brick.[6]

  • ...problems, which are facing Assyrians, such as Arabization, submission to the dictatorial regimes and phobia of declaring the real nationalist belonging. [7]
  • Assyriac: Denied in Its Own Homeland, but Accepted in England ...These opportunists provide a convenient spiritual cover in the legitimisation of a totalitarian policy of Assyrians Arabization. ...[8]

Toothie3 (talk) 05:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indefinitely blocked
You may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but please read our guide to appealing blocks first.

As  Confirmed by CheckUser. Amongst other things also. –MuZemike 02:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have been unjustifiably (I come and go on and off line, this is no reason to suspect that I have one more account, I am sure that administrators know my IP) blocked (Muslims: Nableezy & Malik Shabazz know this), I am sure there will be others that will continue --ever stronger because of this step-- the fight for the victims of the horrosrs of Arabism racism.

Toothie3 (talk) 05:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Please do not come back with a new Username. Doing so will result in a longer block. — 
Sockpuppetry
case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a

sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/190.122.171.58 for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page.  dmyersturnbull  ⇒ talk 17:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply
]

  1. ^ http://books.google.com/books?id=MFYOnClB2pYC&pg=PA155
  2. ^ http://books.google.com/books?id=d1deR-jiYJgC&pg=PA151
  3. ^ http://books.google.com/books?id=DTc2ACWFt18C&pg=PA109
  4. ^ http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewwork.asp?id=22644
  5. ^ http://www.fredaprim.com/who_assyrians.php
  6. ^ http://www.assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3326
  7. ^ http://www.christiansofiraq.com/faridnuzha.html
  8. ^ http://www.bethsuryoyo.com/currentevents/AprimAssyriac/AssyriacDenied.html

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