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Question from TPChicago (15:36, 13 August 2023)

Thanks for being here. Very early (think biblical time frame!), I tried to do a couple of edits, but I'm more humble now and less likely. Still, the spirit may nudge me and I appreciate your availability. I think Wiki was and is a great resource. I trust it -- warnings included! -- more than any other single source on the internet. --TPChicago (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

@TPChicago I'm glad you find the encyclopedia to be a good resource! Even small edits can be helpful, like adding links, fixing typos, or using inline cleanup tags, so don't be afraid to help out where you can or ask for advice. Either way, welcome back! Wug·a·po·des 21:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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“Stable guideline”

I am posting anonymously because I have been attacked quite badly in the past about one of the participants in the SMALLCAT case.

however, do you know what BHG meant by a “stable guideline”? It doesn’t seem terribly stable, and if it is as cut and dried as she says, shouldn’t this be a policy? If it was a policy, then it would be more clear what actions editors should be taking, but as

WP:SMALLCAT
is a guideline only, then it sounds like a fair amount of leeway is given and that consensus towards a different set of actions may reasonably taken from time to time.

Is this a reasonable query for me to make? And as I’m anonymous (and will choose to remain that way) I won’t be able to post it on RFAR’s PD talk page. - 49.195.66.156 (talk) 04:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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No probs, if I feel the need I will do so. I hope you understand that I do not want to be a target for being attacked, as has happened to a number of editors here. - 49.195.66.156 (talk) 05:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Paratroopingfan (02:53, 23 August 2023)

Hi! I have uploaded a page I'm working on - a biography of a public personality. How long will it take to get edited / approved? --Paratroopingfan (talk) 02:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Paratroopingfan (02:54, 23 August 2023)

Here is the link to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pradeep_Shoury_Arya --Paratroopingfan (talk) 02:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Navya Shibu (12:17, 23 August 2023)

Hello... I've created profile on wikipedia to edit some of the errors I found in different articles. How can I suggest edit in those? --Navya Shibu (talk) 12:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Navya Shibu and welcome to Wikipedia! In general, you don't suggest edits to Wikipedia articles, you make edits and they go live immediately. We trust that you will be helpful and careful, so we just let you make changes. there are some articles where we have had problems with bad edits, and you might not be able to edit them yet. If you run into any of those, let me know and I can explain more. For help on making edits, this tutorial will walk you through how to open the editor and start making changes. Let me know if you have any questions, and I look forward to your edits! Wug·a·po·des 22:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Chhabboo (03:05, 23 August 2023)

Thanks, I have no question right now. I wish to edit because I find info not correct at times. --Chhabboo (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Chhabboo, and nice to meet you. Let me know if you do have questions in the future, and until then, I look forward to your edits! Wug·a·po·des 22:03, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

WugBot vs Cluebot

Hi there, WugBot is having a bit of an edit war with Cluebot here: [13]. Not to the point I thought to disable it, but all the same, it keeps putting back an old note about a DYK nomination, which really should be allowed to go into the archive. Maybe you could do the necessary to let that section go? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sirfurboy: Thanks for the heads up. As it seems you discovered, the nomination was still technically open. I went to the nomination and gave my review, recommending rejection on the basis of presentability. Hopefully one of the promoters comes around soon and closes the nomination so you all can move on with improving the article. Wug·a·po·des 21:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Great, yes, and thanks for this. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Keyboards

Re your comment about keyboards in the SMALLCAT arb case PD, as the owner of a laptop without a functioning "Y" key I would absolutely support your proposal for an equipment repair fund. If you or any talkpage stalkers find themselves in a similar position, I will share that my workaround is to have a text file on my desktop from which I can quickly copy and paste Y and y characters when required. It's far less convenient and I do sometimes spend time rephrasing comments to avoid words with that letter in, but it's cheaper than a new laptop! Thryduulf (talk) 22:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

A laptop replacement keyboard might cost $16 - $25, and takes about 5 minutes to install. There are many helpful videos that walk through the process step-by-step for each laptop model. Jehochman Talk 04:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, it doesn't even need to be for a whole new machine. It's probably a little much to expect everyone to do their own tear-downs, but parts and labor is pretty reasonable for this kind of service, I'd ballpark it at $100. Well below the $600 IRS threshold for income reporting and if you put a reasonable time frame between requests (one service request per year?) you reduce the chance of fraud without needing to impose annoying reporting requirements. Wug·a·po·des 22:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
The perpetual notepad was also the route I usually took. I also had a desktop where I'd do my heavy work, and an external keyboard at the office. It's one of those little nuisances that is easy enough to work around, so it's not clear whether the cost and disruption of getting it fixed is worth it. Having some kind of "equipment service fund" removes at least one of those hurdles (especially for lower income contributors) making contributing more efficient. Wug·a·po·des 22:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Ease_of_Access#On-screen_Keyboard - Due to issues with keyboards over the years, I've just gotten used to activating this icon onto the taskbar whenever setting up any new computer, either for myself, or friends/family. It's just one of those things that when you want it, it's nice that it's there. And it's somewhat customisable, which is nice too. I also like having Character Map (Windows) (and Windows Notepad for "clean" copy/pasting) readily available in my start menu.

That said, I also have family members who use an external keyboard - one uses an expanded numeric keypad (with a few customiseable keys) instead.

I guess it just comes down to what works for each person : ) - jc37 05:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd actually never thought of an on-screen keyboard. I run some weird linux configurations that include
i3wm as my window manager. It works a lot like vim so discourages using the mouse at all. The onscreen keyboard idea is probably a good workaround for people whose hobbies don't include bricking their machines for fun (i.e., normal people). I've come to think of scoping it as an "equipment service fund" that could be used for things like keyboard repair, but also general maintenance like fan cleaning or battery replacements. It also would open up a use case for the growing number of mobile-only contributors who need service but probably not keyboard service. Wug·a·po·des
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Question from StellarScribe (14:41, 28 August 2023)

Hi,

I am looking for guidance on how to add new sections to pages that I feel are lacking up-to-date information, any tips? much appreciated! --StellarScribe (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs
my story today

My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade! - I played with the dedication for Goldberg Variations in my Siegfried entry 10 years ago ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! - No cake yet, but a butterfly and open-air opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for these Gerda Arendt, and sorry that I've been too tied up to respond promptly! I'm glad to see you finally got your cakes! Wug·a·po·des 21:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
I'd love to continue but a soprano died, and I tried to expand. She sang at the festival with the birthday yesterday, the "child" of Richard Wagner and his wife Cosima. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
One more day uploaded, with another wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, see? - The soprano is on the Main page, - easy and fast, for a change. Did you look at Richard and Cosima Wagner? Do you see what I see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Today, my focus is on Renata Scotto, after days of updating. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Always fascinating! I saw on User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#23 Aug you had a story about Der Ring des Nibelungen and found that article incredibly interesting, especially given the scale of the work: performed over four nights! It's easy to forget that prior to movies, television, and radio, we still made grand, non-textual, serial works. It's no opera, but I've recently been watching a lot of movies as double features (which looking at the article seems to have its origin in opera anyway). I did Barbenheimer in late July and just last week did a double feature of The Haunted Mansion (2003 film) and Haunted Mansion (2023 film). Seeing them as double features made me appreciate the films in a different way, but I can only imagine 4 nights of opera! Thanks as always for sharing (and regarding the Wagners, I do spot an interesting difference)! Wug·a·po·des 22:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, on many levels! I feel understood which is often not the case. My personal relation to the work live on stage is sporadic but always left lasting impressions. I saw Götterdämmerung in Bayreuth, which made me write Jahrhundertring, Walküre at the Oper Frankfurt which made me write the director's article that you refer to, and Der Ring in Minden, my one and only complete cycle, with my brother and his colleague playing the first notes, in the orchestra on stage. Now Berit Lindholm died (see above), reminding me of performances heard on radio (mentioned above), and I'm hoping to make her article GA until her funeral, as a little tribute. - Regarding the Wagners I thought that "interesting difference" was no longer necessary (now that we have community consensus for Mozart and her husband), but see what followed in the history of article and the reverter's talk (with the article talk in the background). Perhaps you can mediate? She reverted Yeats also. I would like to see these epic discussions end, - any ideas welcome. The music of the very end of Götterdämmerung (see above), sung by the woman who before could not believe what she had to see (pictured, and it was "my picture" pleading in Götterdämmerung 10 years ago, and Siegfried is the very same as for Lindholm in Düsseldorf, as I found only yesterday), is sooo peaceful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I quoted this conversation on my talk, as "where I come from". - Thank you for your initiative regarding infoboxes. 28 August 2013 was the day an arb voted to ban my friend, giving this edit for an example. None of the colleagues commented. It told me that they all had not looked at what had been called "evidence". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. --Gerda Arendt (talk
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Question from Sultanularefeen (14:24, 2 September 2023)

Hi,

Greetings!

I want to publish an article about a historical place in China. The draft of the article can be found at [external link removed]

Would you take a look at it and suggest me if I should publish it directly or go through AFC procedure?

I hope that I can publish the article successfully on Wikipedia with your guidelines.

Thanks. --Sultanularefeen (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for your suggestions Wugapodes. Please take a look at the draft at User:Sultanularefeen/sandbox - Wikipedia and let me know your opinion. Sultanularefeen (talk) 08:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Stupid question perhaps, but can I create a page on Wikipedia dedicated to my own research? --Maaker (talk) 11:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Foxmilder (16:13, 23 September 2023)

Hello,

If you don't mind, there's a few things I've been meaning to ask a more experienced editor about general Wikipedia etiquette.

As a relatively new editor, I've mostly limited my contributions to minor/uncontroversial edits. Mostly, I tend to focus on "polishing" text: rephrasing ambiguous constructions, tidying up formatting, and clarifying the usage and definitions of technical terms.

Recently, I've happened upon a couple of pages in which technical and academic terms are insufficiently defined or invoked in an awkward manner. This is the kind of editing I'm most comfortable doing, and I believe I can make some minor improvements.

But there's a catch: these articles pertain to contentious political topics, and I'm wary of getting dragged into any kind of dispute related to alleged bias.

The edits I have in mind are aimed narrowly toward ensuring clarity, accuracy, and faithfulness to the cited sources. But when it comes to contentious topics, I often encounter dubious, politically-charged framing in places it can't be ignored — in the lead paragraph, for instance.

My questions, then, are two:

1. In the eyes of the Wikipedia community, is it considered acceptable for a relative newcomer to edit contentious articles?

2. If so, what's the best way to go about it? Should I be so bold as to make cautious, sensible edits as I see fit? Or should I instead try to first build a consensus on the talk page?

Any advice you have for me would be greatly appreciated. --Foxmilder (talk) 16:14, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi
end of the spectrum but I also have spent a lot of time getting a feel for where the middle ground is (and took some lumps along the way).
My recommendation in contentious topics is to start on the "always ask" side and work your way up to more bold edits. Not only is it the safest option, it will show other editors that you're being considerate of other opinions in the area which will buy you some good will when you do start making some bold changes. I hope that helps, and feel free to ask other questions should they come up as you edit more topics. I look forward to more of your contributions! Wug·a·po·des
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September music

September songs
my story today

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Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. Just for fun: when do you think did Mrs. and Mr. Schumann get their infoboxes, and by whom? (The answer can be found here, but please think first.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

The day came (updating Berlin). - Please take a look at Talk:Noël Coward, regarding the previous question how that kind of "discussion" can be avoided. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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