User talk:Gerda Arendt/2013

A question: apart from Pagliacci, are there any other operas featuring clowns? Am struggling a bit with a quiz and this possibly falls within your area of expertise! Hope you are well and enjoying the festivities. pablo 18:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No other clown comes to my mind, jester Rigoletto is different, perhaps ask Project:Opera? - Our fine Christmas music is on my user, look for "ban complaining" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I think Rigoletto is right (what with the filicide and all). It's section 3 of this if you fancy having a look. pablo 21:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

preceding Falstaff and Forza del destino, - the latter could also be a redirect to AN, like

Great Dismal Swamp ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply

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Ah - I had Falstaff, but thanks for the other one. I also have Trovatore, Otello, Macbeth(?) and Traviata but my opera knowledge is weak! pablo 22:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 Simone Boccanegra, 5 Trovatore, 6 Nabucco, 7 Otello, 8 Un ballo in maschera, 9 Ernani 10 Traviata (I used WP for one) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

← Awesome, thanks! The annoying thing about this quiz is the wording, so many things ring a bell, but hunting them down is tricky. pablo 23:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, this was fun! - Did you know that I make up a daily opera DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really enjoying all the great music for the holiday season - thank you for all your work in such a beautiful topic. I hope you and all your family have a wonderful time over this season. Hugs to all. — Ched :  ?  17:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Ched, feels good! Same to you, thinking "Joy to the world" - we sang that on Christmas Eve, in English, in Germany, - peace, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda, or indeed Aye Oop, Lass. (I'm in Yorkshire Mode, but do not know why. Please feel free to reply in Bavarian ...)

Just a note to wish you the very best for 2013 and to thank you for all your kindness and wisdom. I've had a busy Winter Seasonal Period (it gets a bit frantic for, ahem, Players Of A Certain Instrument, as you know) but I now have a bit of a break though there's a nice BWV243 coming up in January. (Not, thank goodness, 243a for which I would prefer to be in the audience!)

I am sure a certain Prussian Professorin would still love you to pop in and say hello sometime ... but she can keep, there's no hurry :)

Have a great Year Beginning Celebration Module (or, like, whatever ...)

with my very best, DBaK (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, thank you! Same to you, like! Did you see the instruments mentioned on top of this page, all the time? And viola d'amore was pictured on the Main page yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes! Lovely! :) DBaK (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have a great 2013 Your Gerdaress!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, same! It started nicely, hiking uphill and looking down on our village's fireworks. You both, please look at

BWV 41, mentioned on top, it's for today, it's with the straight instruments, and it has a red link ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Googled it, couldn't find anything on him..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the usual suspect --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 41 - oh yes, nice!! So, I am currently listening to Suzuki/BCJ performing it - wonderful stuff, thank you for the heads-up. I don't think I have ever played it but I need anyway to brush up on the, er, Extreme Tools and Techniques as I have a Magnificat coming up, so I will have a look at this too, Yummy! :) DBaK (talk) 13:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for improvements there! Magnificent disillusion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deutscher Musikpreis.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ps:

Echo is a different one, can you fix that? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Gerda I've asked once before that TFAR discussions not be kept and recycled. Just so you know, I've brought it up with Bencherlite. [1].

This one was related to the original nomination, people started to say the same things again, otherwise I would not have brought it back, - feel free to edit what you don't like. - I wonder anyway why nobody else nominated this as it was planned, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"I wonder anyway why nobody else nominated this"? Perhaps because you nominated it in October and you added it to the "pending" list - why would anyone else feel obliged to renominate for you? And it isn't / wasn't "planned" to appear on 28th January, as the previous discussion shows. As for your email, I'm not rescheduling the article for 6th January - it's too short notice, and a fair degree of work is involved in unscheduling and rescheduling, which I don't feel in the mood to do just to avoid a points penalty for an Austen-related article. In other news, happy new year!

Bencherlite^Talk 11:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Happy new year to you as well, and thanks for scheduling! (Sorry, I wrote the above in a rush, not thinking too carefully about wording, "planning" wasn't the right term, hoping would be better.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably better that I don't go into detail ... but thank you very much for your support. I added a person to "missed" because someone asked me to. Like you, I only ran across the MT account. I won't say more, but I very much appreciate your backup. — Ched :  ?  09:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ps: peace

Thank you! Did you know that of the four people in the second entry above, only one is not missing, YOU? I still have

talk archive, you will like it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Brains Work Better Barnstar

		The 'Brains Work Better in A Community' Award
		You and I walk on the same side of the street. Thank you for all your efforts to befriend and assist your fellow Wikipedian Editors (WE). Bottom line: WE are all living breathing people that desire love. Your efforts have a cascading effect throughout WP. What's so bad about Peace, Love and Understanding? ```Buster Seven Talk 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, blushing again. (See above, not afraid that you will leave within a week ;) Thanks to Elen for the colour.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ps: click on peace under the pumpkin sky --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the comments on my nomination of Icelandic Phallological Museum for TFA, another editor has suggested Feb 13th as an alternative date. Would you support the nomination if it was switched to that date? Prioryman (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about February 14th? More romantic.... Ahem. Be sure to picture the Blue whale penis on the front page! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You should have looked before you posted this ;) that's where it was, but met reservation, including my own, - you didn't speak up on

WP:TFAR, use your voice there! (The rules for nominations look super-complicated, but you can freely support and oppose.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Got a link to the proposal?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given above. Scroll over the enormous rules, you get to the summary chart, there's the link, was 14 February when I looked last, but may change now to 13. Take courage, it's like a fortress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support on any day except the 14th. Montanabw^(talk) 22:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind note on my talk page! What a nice surprise! I'm glad that you enjoyed reading Psittacosaurus, but in point of fact, I had less to do with the improvement of this article than several other editors. user:Sheep81 deserves most of the credit for the original version of the article, and a half-dozen editors kept it well-maintained. I feel like I don't deserve the jewel... but I'm adding it to my page anyway! ;) Regardless, thank you for your kind gesture. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 04:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the recommendation, please name the others to be considered, I go at no more than one a day, spreading if more one editor was contributing, and a few are on my personal waiting list ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The short list is user:Albertonykus, user:FunkMonk, user:J. Spencer, user:Dinoguy2, and user:Mgiganteus1. All wonderful editors who added good content to the article. Firsfron of Ronchester 15:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, will keep in mind! FunkMonk has Precious already, check the list, and don't say again "undeserved" about yourself, it's not for single article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All these were awarded, nice to meet them! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Created all article requests at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. Feel free to help expand. Best if they were removed and a new set of requests added..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:43, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you fo creating. Voceditenore is the one to address for the project. I am busy with

BWV 32

, probably not able to expand 5*, would you find a red link there, for Sunday 13, both 1726 and 2013! Once I am done, I want to pursue my first GA om in German, BWV 40, then opera ;)

Decided on Rachel Nicholls for the cantata --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is an incredibly off the wall idea and maybe not even a good one, but have you ever considered running for adminship, just on the odd chance that you might need to use the tools someday? I imagine you will not be interested, but every good editor should have the idea suggested to them once in a while, just as a reminder that they are a good editor.

Thanks for the suggestion, speaking of your trust! No, not me, because(!) I want to edit ;) - I know excellent admins to ask in case of need, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I figured you wouldn't want to. It's probably for the best though, you are far too nice a person to put through that headache.

AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Headache is a rather harmless word for the process my favourite collaborator did not "survive", - thank you for signing "peace" (above)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. The RfA process is a mess, but I'm concerned that we won't be able to get consensus on either determining the problems or finding solutions.

AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Asking Gerda to become an admin would be like asking a princess to become a janitor!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) − In general, agreed. (@Automatic Strikeout) Specifically, if an RfA has to be termed an attack page, but nothing gets done about that, it's not "the process", it's the people, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You don't agree with Dr. Blofeld ? I agree with your response, but getting the people to fix themselves is probably not going to happen. It's a shame, but it's the reality of the situation. Re Dr Blofeld: Should we open up an RfC to name Gerda the official "Princess of Wikipedia"?

AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 18:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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LIKE! Montanabw^(talk) 22:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I typically agree with my most astounding red-link-filler, but am too involved in this case to agree. - I have been termed "that Gerda person", and have called myself the cleaning lady of TFA, so please: no such nomination, - your support is much better than a title, I mean both of you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who hasn't worked with you that often, I have to say that I regret that you would not even consider the possibility of adminship, although, honestly, I have to say that I can understand why. We don't have enough as is, and I think you would probably be one of the better candidates. Probably better than me, anyway. Having said that, I note someone I asked to run for ArbCom, The Blade of the Northern Lights, has recently "taken some time off" because of the sometimes bizarre conduct at AE and elsewhere, so I can't fault someone not wanting to voluntary lock the door of the asylum after entering, which is kinda what it must feel like for him and others who are more actively involved in adminship functions. But, if you ever change your mind, let me know. John Carter (talk) 19:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry John but what exactly does Gerda have to gain by becoming an admin? What did I ever have to gain by becoming an admin? How does it help content? There of course some fine content contributord who are admins and barely use their tools. but it is something of a distraction, not to mention the nasty grilling process that is RFA and having to go out of your way to seem perfect to people. Gerda would of course make perfect admin material, but you have to look at why she would want it, as if she's unable to cope without admin tools at present.. Its sad that so many people here stress so much on becoming an admin.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto, adminship is sort of the booby prize for being a good editor! No good deed goes unpunished there! Montanabw^(talk) 22:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My mind: I am a member of Editor retention, and I have a hard time to retain myself. Please follow the link to "need" above, then to "attack page" - still talking about the same need more than a year later, then look at my user page, "ban complaining", - and perhaps sign "peace" above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Amen to that Doc - especially when

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Get away? - Up to us, no? I said my mantra in the middle of there as well, followed by talk of "losing horses" when referring to people and the case of need mentioned above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right Gerda - and what you added needed to be said. Sadly others get away with a lot, and the dysfunctional behaviour they are supposed to safeguard against is fully in evidence in their own approach to editing sometimes.

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An invitation for you!

	Hello, Gerda Arendt. You're invited to join AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 02:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply ]

A good project, thank you for the invitation, - but I need to concentrate, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Gerda! I saw your reply to my post on ANI; I think you've got me all wrong! I know it doesn't sound like it, but "badass" is actually a compliment. It's slang, but it's actually a pretty high compliment (in my mind, at least). I've always been really impressed with Graham87, and not just because he's a blind man working so well in an entirely visual environment that you never would have guessed. I was really impressed by him before I knew he was blind, even. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok, got it now, English is not my first language ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! I kinda figured; the word doesn't sound particularly complimentary, I know. :) Anyway, the expression about "losing horses" is, as Hand that Feeds says, derived from horse racing. I've usually seen it used as "backing the wrong horse" or "backing a losing horse". Basically, what it means is that you're wasting your time and effort on a "lost cause", a goal that has no chance of being successful or productive. (It's hard to explain idioms without using other idioms...) It comes from placing a bet ("backing") a slow (or otherwise bad) horse in a horse race. The horse is almost certainly going to lose the race, so betting money on it will almost certainly be a waste of money. In the context of the conversation, I think Doc was telling Ched to stop yelling at Sandy about Rlevse/PumpkinSky and Jack Merridew/Br'er Rabbit, since they're already gone; people aren't going to change their minds, and even if they did, it won't bring them back, so it's pointless. Does that make more sense? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

no. firstly, have you ever seen Ched yelling? secondly, if PumpkinSky changed his mind he could be back, but would he? being spoken about as we see here and places? thirdly, to reduce profit to money is narrow, no? fourthly, to compare people to losing horses, however idiomatic, is nothing that wins my heart ;) - I responded there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't say that Doc was right about what he was saying; I just think that's what he said, that's all. (And of course that's only my interpretation!) I think I've explained myself poorly; perhaps it would've been better had I not tried... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) You explained well, it's not your fault that your interpretation makes the line look worse than my own, because I didn't get that yelling part. Do you see what I see: that Ched is one of the calmest people around and it takes A LOT to make him speak up? - Did you have a chance to read the thread above that starts with Adminship? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I guess I didn't mean "yelling" literally. Certainly, Ched isn't actually yelling. [redacted at request] The point is that Ched is derailing the subject of the thread so that he can be hostile to Sandy about editors that aren't around here any more. Doc is saying that, instead of focusing on the past, where what is done is done, he should instead focus on the present, where useful things can be still be said and done. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. I may have another language problem, "hostile" seems even worse than "yelling". Look again: who is not getting over the past? "Ched is being hostile towards Sandy, which is definitely true" is definitely untrue and not going to stay on my talk, please modify. Look again who was derailing the subject of the thread which was a conflict between Schro and Gimme (if I may use abbreviations). Look again what in the thread refers to that original dispute and what not. Saying again: it takes A LOT to make Ched speak up, and he ended: "Tell me how we get to a point of understanding."--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I don't want to offend anyone. But he's calling Sandy "toxic" and "detrimental to the project". How would you describe the language in this diff? I don't have any other words for it. Putting something nice at the very end of the post does not make the rest of the post nice as well. If that were so, I could write the most scathing insults on someone's character and end it with "but they sure have nice hair!", and then if someone accuses me of making horrible insults, I say, "But I wasn't insulting! Look, I complimented their hair!" I'm deliberately avoiding the usual loaded Wikipedia terms of "civility" and "personal attacks", because the last thing I want to do is imply judgement on this situation. I don't know the full story here; Ched could be perfectly right about Sandy, but that doesn't change the tone of what he said.

Look, I'm not defending Sandy here. I'm not prosecuting Ched, either. I'm not saying either of them were right or wrong. (Sometimes hostility is justified, and sometimes it's necessary. I have no idea whether or not it was either of those things in this case. but even if it is, it's still hostility.) But that's what I see. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the problem is that Sandy IS hostile herself with her cracks that indirectly do refer to Psky and B'rer, which are in fact contributing to a toxic atmosphere and detrimental to the project. Ched's just basically pointing that out; we have one of those situations where one person (Sandy) is being quite a bully, but then when called on it claims innocence, and is shocked and outraged, claiming to be the victim. While it would be nice to stay in the present, that can only happen when EVERYONE cooperates, and when an editor doesn't try to skirt it by inserting veiled comments that keep poking at old wounds. Ched only spoke the truth, you see. Montanabw^(talk) 18:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And sometimes the truth is hostile, which is why I'm trying very hard to emphasize that I'm not saying Ched was wrong or uncivil or attacking or whatever. This is not the Inquisition, and the last thing I want to be is an inquisitor of civility. I was just trying to explain my interpretation of what another user meant. I honestly can't think of any other word to describe what Ched said; my mental thesaurus is failing me. I'll withdraw it (and indeed already have), but I don't understand why offense is being taken at it. Perhaps there's a cultural divide here, which not-so-coincidentally is one of the reasons why I never want to become an inquisitor of civility. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural divide

Trying to understand more about a cultural divide:

• Ched said "toxic" TO the addressee, not about her, that makes a big difference. - We should follow that example. Writ Keeper, you might want to notify SandyGeorgia of this discussion, we others are not welcome on her talk, and she likes to be notified.
• I noticed the description "toxic place" elsewhere, not by Ched. (Note: a place, not a person)
• I noticed that other users also show disappointment about a change in the tone of SandyGeorgia's contributions, see here and here.
• Did you know that I started a discussion on civility and team spirit? (you need to scroll up there) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ched's exact words in the diff I linked above were: "I will continue to point out how toxic and detrimental you have become to our project." (emphasis mine) Not "how toxic the project is because of you", but "how toxic you are." Ched was directly calling Sandy toxic and a detriment; he wasn't talking about the project or anything else becoming toxic. Once again, I don't want to get drawn into an argument about Sandy, and whether the toxic and detrimental labels are accurate. They may or may not be, I don't know. I just really don't want to leave this conversation with a misunderstanding between us about what I meant. :( Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 07:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No misunderstanding here: yes, he said so, but he said so TO her, not about her where she would not see it. I admire him for doing so. - I asked "define toxic" where toxic place was mentioned, and I asked for a better word/description below before I saw your reply. I like this beginning of better understanding! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lacking words

Thinking further: I admire the artistic way Sandy Georgia uses words. Let's look at the thread, and let's (simplified, sure) assume that SandyGeorgia has a negative history with two people, Ched has a positive history with the same.

• Roughly estimate how much room is given in that thread to the negative, how much to the positive. Please tell me a better word than "toxic".
• Compare the room given to talking about these two people to the room given to the initial conflict between two other people. Please give me a better word than "derailing".
• See how she mentions the phrase "Gimmetrow-- a productive admin in good standing --" as if "a productive admin in good standing" was a matter of fact and not the very issue questioned by SchoCat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• "Toxic" was Ched's word, not mine. If my mean my use of "hostile", well, I still can't really think of any other way to describe it. "Antagonistic", maybe? There are certainly negative connotations with the word "hostile", but that's not really the spirit of what I meant. I did not mean it in the sense of "spiteful" or "malicious". I meant it more along the lines of "opposed", but stronger than that. It's hard to explain.
• The second point is fair: "derailing" was an overstatement. "Sidetracked" or "off-topic" probably would've been better; it's still not what was supposed to be being discussed, but it had been brought up before, so "Derailing" was too strong a word to use. My mistake for that. :)
• I'm going to decline to address the third point, as it's not really something I want to get into, and not something addressed by my original comment. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your thoughts, very helpful. - I would like a better word instead of toxic for my own use, do you know one? I would like to describe what seems like sticking to the negative of a past (probably summarized as "detrimental") vs. positive ideas for a future, - As for the thread, the original dispute, although two attempts to return from all the "side-tracking" to it were made, is still not resolved, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, we've been doing all this work on proposing the editor of the week idea, and you've helped us a good deal, but it occurs to me (well, let's be honest, it occurred to someone else at WT:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards and I thought they were right) that we should check with you before creating a structured system for giving out an editor of the week since you give out editor of the day. Do you have any objections, concerns, etc.? Thanks for everything you do here on the project... you ought to be one of our editors of the week. Go Phightins! 20:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Within two days, I was offered the t-shirt, adminship, princess, and now this niceness: PLEASE find editors who have not otherwise been awarded, so not me ;) - I will look, but keep in mind that my

PumpkinSky Prize is absolutely not structured and my very personal thing, following a great example, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Sorry about Colin. You are, of course, welcome to participate. I've actually noticed your name around, as I coded a lot of the WikiProject Opera backend - composer of the month and such, so I do see edits to it. =) Haven't really done mcuh in opera for a bit; should poke around my collection and see what comes out. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, really, I am used to it ;) Colin is of course absolutely right that I support/recognize the quality contributions of banned editors. - Look above, we are striving for a politer expression for "toxic place" - and the desire to overcome it. - Music helps, go for it! Did you see "ban complaining" on my user page? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ps: now I have to insert the ref for the sad news that another musician whose biography I wrote, died, Franz Lehrndorfer, teacher of our cantor, RIP, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As promised:

Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely and fitting, thank you ;) - Did you read civility and team spirit, my windmills? - Verbannet die Klage, "ban complaining", not "ban mourning", see? That was well before the last banning posse ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I could tell you some interesting stories about uncivil arbritrators, but think I shall refrain, as it was some time ago. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 23:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Refrain, - a good refrain. The arbitrators were ok last time, it's Teh Community I am ashamed to be part of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pony!
Congratulations! For helping me format my Pony Prize, you have received a pony! Ponies are cute, intelligent, cuddly, friendly (most of the time, though with notable exceptions), promote good will, encourage patience, and enjoy carrots. Treat your pony with respect and he will be your faithful friend! Montanabw^(talk) 20:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Respect! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your prodding on this topic - I've decided to go along with SandyGeorgia's suggestion of nominating it for a non-specific date. Hopefully it will get a better reception than the last nomination... Prioryman (talk) 10:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have my support ;) The mushroom of a similar name should then wait until a month later ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Gerda;

Thank you for the unexpected sapphire! J. Spencer (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias ^talk 15:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC) 08:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow, thank you for the lovely gemstone. Hope I can live up to it! mgiganteus1 (talk) 09:09, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Gerda, I am too busy thinking about all sorts of silly things and forgot to send you a greeting for the New Year, if such things amuse you. At any rate I'm glad to see you are still here and have not been distracted by the Wikifollies (!) I saw The Hobbit (film) on IMAX 3-d the other day and thought it was awesome. Snow is settling on Ipswich tonight so it all looks very pretty by streetlight, if cold underfoot. I hope you have yet another brilliant year in WP and of course (far more important) a brilliant year in the Reality (whatever you construe that to be) which is The Great Outside... If there is such a thing as a Jahresentwicklung I hope that yours will be frohlich. - Season's greetings, (Steven) Eebahgum (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Steven, I appreciate your personal thoughts and wish you no less than the same! - I didn't send "individual" greetings but had

sing praises ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Hi Gerda! Well, it still needs a littl eplay on wording, but I managaged to trim 100kbs out of the leadin to the Grand Teton NP article and still add what (in my biased opinion of course) was a detail or two of significance....as can be seen here...I'll see if I can tweak the wording better tomorrow.--MONGO 02:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I never went to the park, but remember the impression of the mountain range when travelling south from Yellowstone. You can nominate NOW, I can't - the rulez, you know, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good topic! Montanabw^(talk) 17:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(from User talk:ErrantX)

can't be a hurricane, too similar to 16 December. - Do I get my points? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

H:-) Actually, I've played around with some figures at

Bencherlite^Talk 11:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks for your balanced thoughts and the helpful notepad, appreciated ;) - with Messiah in mind (23 March), think about the postponed Tchaikovsky soon or much later, - there's also a mushroom prepared in

WP:QAI/TFA - unless that little Phallus is another 1 April option. 28 January: the article is not Jane Austen, but reception history, I liked the former picture of the reading lady much better, to illustrate "reception" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I wondered about Messiah for Easter Sunday, in fact, rather than mark its London premiere (and third performance) almost a year after its premiere. OK, so 270 years is a round number, but not a particularly special round number. We'll see what people think in due course. I'm tempted to leave the contents of

Bencherlite^Talk 12:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Messiah would be good on Good Friday, not Easter Sunday. Messiah had a Lenten premiere, the Passion the longest section,

He was despised the longest movement, the resurrection just a brief recitative on an Old Testament Bible quote, - I said so last year, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I was thinking about

Bencherlite^Talk 12:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Agree, as long as you don't pursue Easter Sunday for Messiah ;) - Brianboulton was for the London premiere, because it gets an extra point as a multiple of 5 anniversary - another pointless point. (I fixed the link above, perhaps you are interested in the history.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Started

Thank you! Moved and inserted to Dortmund, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias, did you go to San Fernando and Playa de Camposoto when you passed Cadiz? Near La Barrosa of course!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:TheOriginalSoni/Rolling Ball.

Do leave your feedback on the talk page.

started, will watch, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is tardy but thanks for the ward you presented me with in my talk page a while ago. Much appreciated Kanatonian (talk) 15:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Started

Thank you! Moved and inserted to Dortmund, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias, did you go to San Fernando and Playa de Camposoto when you passed Cadiz? Near La Barrosa of course!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Late answer, no, - will you expand the church? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be St. Peter Church, Syburg ?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, see St. Martin, Idstein and many others ;) (Not even the German has "-kirche".) - Thanks for expanding history, I tried to merge. Gothic in 1688 sounds quite unlikely, but at least there's a ref! Too bad that the monument listing is lost, I tried to find it, but all I find is mirrors of Wikipedia ;) - see Liste der Baudenkmale, missing there as well - Ready for DYK, I would say, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Gerda. Glad to see our paths are crossing once again. Hope you don't mind my adding a redirect

St. Peter's Church, Syburg. I really don't find St. Peter, Syburg very natural in English. It looks more like a place name than a church. Sorry about the edit conflict. I had actually been working quite some time on the article when I tried to update it at Dr. B's suggestion but ran into two edit conflicts. I think there is still a contradiction in the article about the date of construction of the choir (i.e. chancel). Do you intend to add anything on the furnishings and fittings -- Barbarafenster, Chorfenster, Petrus und seine Frau, the 1000-year-old font...? If not, I'll go ahead with that section when things have calmed down. And while I'm here, I would appreciate your advice on the score the music section of Danish Culture Canon. Which items do you think need to be developed into articles in English? --Ipigott (talk) 15:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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never heard "score music" before;) - I am sorry, I don't know any of the red link works, but think the anthology should be made an article, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ps: if articles exist in Danish they could be linked by {{ill|da|xyz}}, for example Elverskud. Especially for red links, the English reader may want a translation of the titles, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please go ahead, redirect and details. Busy elsewhere ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ps: The redirect would be a good translation of Peterskirche. But now there is no Genitiv in the German official name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nor in the well known St. Peter (München) which is widely known as St. Peter's. I imagine in 799 the Pope called Syburg "Ecclesia Sancti Petri". Probably by accident the geniitive has been dropped in German. I'll get back to the article soon. Thanks for all you efforts. Quid Danish Canon? --Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are many called with the genitive colloquially, Martinskirche, but our concert posters say

BWV 40 on 9 December said St. Peter ;) - I will expand the music section, but that is indepedent, no ec, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Syburg, created dab. can you translate the few sentences?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:01, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added some sources. Can you proof 5vor12?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What's there is good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review, Gerda, and could you possibly look at it again? Best wishes, Moonraker (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. He's a difficult subject, and I should not wish to form any judgement! Moonraker (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wise indeed. Did you see that I reviewed another one also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's something like serendipity, as earlier this afternoon I fought off the temptation to ask you to look at Dudum siquidem! DYK seems to be moving slowly lately, I don't know why. Have some of the activists sailed away into the sunset? Moonraker (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

one active supporter dropped out to the sunrise, look above for peace, click on it, to at least say that we miss him, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Es kehret alles wieder. Moonraker (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that for the two mentioned in the box on top of this page, - a loss for knowledge, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I sometimes struggle with such things, but with little success. Und was geschehen soll, ist schon vollendet. Moonraker (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds wise. Define struggle. I

sing praises, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Try this, pursued without a reply. The decision processes of the English Wikipedia have an air of voodoo magic about them, subjectivity run out of control. For now, that seems to be in the nature of the place. Don't get too fond of it. Moonraker (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fond? not serious ;) - look for "not serious" on my user, and you will see how I survive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

or look for pride and prejudice on my user, today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is the German Wikipedia much the same? No one here would think of you as a refugee! Moonraker (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The German Wikipedia is different. I started here, because the name of a friend was a red link, then found out that I can offer to more readers writing in English. I work in German also. Should we take one of your articles there? My latest in that direction: Little Moreton Hall, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Less prickly than the English, I hope. My German is so much worse than my English that I don't try to do much there. Schuster, bleib bei deinen Leisten! Moonraker (talk) 00:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We could try an outline of hall house, which has been developed impressively from where I left it. It's a good subject which the German Wikipedia seems to be lacking, but I am not at all sure what the correct German page-name would be! Moonraker (talk) 01:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd check with

I will, saw that, - no problem removing a pending note if it doesn't work out, it's just a reminder ;) - no nomination process needed, right? - Thanks for scheduling! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations are good, though pendings are useful too - just wasn't sure if you'd seen why it was rescheduled. Thanks,

Bencherlite^Talk 15:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Hi Gerda, I'd appreciate if you'd remove the article from the pending queue. I need to order the books and check the text against them. I'll let Bencherlite and you know when that's done.

SlimVirgin ^(talk) 16:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks for getting it started! What do you you think of moving "classical compositions" from "Albums" to "Other ...". "Doctor Who Prom (2008)" is a concert, probably not classical, - fine sorting otherwise. Once we are at it, the performers could possibly also be split in classical and others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. It is not really a subject area I spend much time in so was more hoping to get the ball rolling so others can work out the finer details. Did the songs previously so had a bit of a system anyway. Not sure about splitting classical any further. My general thinking is to keep the number of articles in categories between the 50 to 150 range. Like

chairs categories are not much use if they are too big or too small. AIRcorn (talk) 02:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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The classical composers and performers are in a general section of 314. I could look them up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, I am ready to submit William Robinson Brown for FAC. I would like the article added to WP:QAI, I think, as I'd value the support of QAI participants. I am not sure how to place it on the page properly, however. Could you do it for me? It is already GA and has completed two peer reviews, all I need to do now, I think, is check licensing on one image (which I may just toss) and submit. Montanabw^(talk) 18:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Place it in

projects in progress, everyone watching can react ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Thank you. The achievement is the composer's, of course, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aw thankyou!! I always think of you everytime I listen to this, I think its probably a similar setting to when you heard Paco, a few miles further to the northwest though at

St. Goarshausen.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:49, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I thought you liked Paco?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 00:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did, unforgettable and beyond words, that's what music can do

ps for others: all Bach cantatas are now blue, thanks to you, but look at

BWV 18 today and tomorrow --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Have you seen this?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, thank you! - Do you think we can expand

Wagner, Early works)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, Thanks so much. Especially as this comes from you, and you are a great wikipedian, I really appreciate it. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:00, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there Gerda. Knowing that you are a lover of music, I am wondering if you could help me out. While not a Bach cantata, yodeling is, IMO, no less important. Recently an editor suggested that "my" yodeling article is not global enough. When you have time (if you have the interest) could you read the article and the talk page and offer feedback? Or perhaps suggest another editor that may be willing to give feedback? Thanks! Gandydancer (talk) 16:52, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not familiar with more than what the lead says, but you could translate what the German article has about "Verbreitung" (where), especially "Alpenländisch" (Alpine), put it in a sandbox and I will look when you ping me. Use "Hodaro", "Iohodraeho", "Holadaittijo", "Almschrei" (Almschroa) or "Juchzer" (Juchetzer, Jugitzer, Juschroa), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda, if you are adding famous students, do tag their WP articles with Category:People educated at the Kreuzschule - Best, --Smerus (talk) 16:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

half-way in the process ;) #2 needs a translation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda-- I'm cataloging several copies of the Weinachtsoratorium - Helmuth Rilling, on Hänssler; Nikolaus Harnoncourt, on Teldec; Philip Ledger, on EMI; and Karl Münchinger, on London; possibly others. I have two questions about the text:

• No. 51: Ach! wann wird die Zeit erscheinen? - Ledger and Münchinger give wann, but Rilling and Harnoncourt both give wenn. Is there a subtle distinction? Google Translate wasn't very helpful.
• No. 56: Du Falscher, suchet nur den Herrn zu fällen - all four of these give suche.

I already did change kehren to kehrten in No. 34. Thanks for your help. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also made some corrections to the BWV 209 stub. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"wenn" (original) und "suche" (grammar) - have to deal with the "copyvio" (which wasn't) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I fixed "suchet", but figured "wann" might as well stay since it's used in some CD booklets. Also added a note to BWV 200. Milkunderwood (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, keep going, my next is

BWV 18 for Sunday, needs expansion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda, I rarely go to DYK but was there because I submitted a DYK myself yesterday, and today when I looked to see that I'd transcluded it correctly, I had a look at the newest entries and noticed

Did you know that this is so because the pdf copied from the German Wikipedia which we translated? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is all sorted now, and I'd only left a message to alert you as to why I was editing the page. No, I didn't know about the taking from the German WP. For whatever it's worth, I think it's a very interesting article and there's room there for more fleshing out. I read it because of recently researching Gothic churches for another article, and also because I had Musical angels on my mind. The Schreiner source is quite good and I think more can be gleaned from that. Also, a background section could be added about medieval church choirs. Anyway, good luck with it, and thank you for reviewing

talk) 23:42, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Hi again Gerda-- Now I was looking at Easter Oratorio, and noticed the three recordings listed there. Whenever I see a few recordings listed on a music page, I always wonder, how were these chosen? Did someone particularly like them, or did they get the best reviews, or are they historically important, or do they simply represent what someone happens to have in their collection? Is there anything to distinguish the different interpretations, or the forces used, etc?

And then looking at the History tab, I see they were all added by you, a couple of years ago. So I suppose I should ask you these questions: why these three, of the - well, Amazon returns 125 "results", but I didn't look through them.

I don't know if there's any guideline for how or what to list, or how many. There was a discussion here a while back, but this had to do with whether or not specific recordings should have their own separate articles, not whether they ought to be listed as examples of a composition.

I'm not familiar with any of these three that you listed, but obviously Koopman is going to sound very different from Gönnenwein - they come from entirely different interpretive traditions. So how do you personally choose what recordings are useful to list? Milkunderwood (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My Penguin Guide is 20 years old; it lists only the Münchinger, but gives it their highest rating. The only copy I'm familiar with is Rilling, which is acceptable. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:56, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good question! Look at

BWV 82, more than 100 are listed on bach-cantatas (link in Sources), someone chose a few, a added a few with links to people. Easter Oratorio is listed here, I know the Gönnenwein, not the others of at least 28, probably didn't have much time then, probably again looked for names I know. Feel free to add more. I have several pre-formatted in my Bach sandbox, help yourself! - I was tempted to tell how happy I was to see your name on my watchlist again, - and here you come yourself!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I love Gönnenwein's cantatas - they're so old-fashioned and unstylish. I was brought up on Münchinger, but mostly Scherchen; and I just can't get with the program of putting up with all those verdammte squeaks and honks that people like to rave about nowadays - in SACD, no less. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how useful these random lists of recordings are. The opera people organize theirs very well, making them clearly readable, and they try to pick up virtally everything; so those are not random at all. As far as I can recall I've added only the 1930s Casals gamba suites on cello, because of their historical significance. I worry that these lists give the impression of WP's imprimatur. Milkunderwood (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They were not my idea, I found them in all older Bach cantatas, example. Readers who are not interested can simply stop reading there. I actually came to the Bach cantatas, because one of "our" singers, Klaus Mertens, recorded them all, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Gerda, my thoughts were cluttered and ill-formed. I certainly understand that lists of recordings long predate both our WP activities. It's just that more and more I worry that somehow they give the impression to naive readers that the ones listed are somehow specially recommended, which isn't true at all, other than one or another individual editor being enthusiastic about (or simply owning) some specific recording. And when there are a lot, it's just clutter, unless it's all properly organized in table form as the opera people do it. I suppose this issue really ought to be discussed by the project.

By the way, I entirely agree with you about original languages - I'm not aware of any recording or production of something called "The Flying Dutchman" - would it be sung in English? - but then the whole concept of COMMONNAME is entirely nonsensical to me. That's what redirects are for, to send readers from a "common" name to the correct and encyclopedic name. It's stupid, it makes Wikipedia seem flaky and ignorant; but it is official policy, and it almost becomes not worthwhile arguing about. (Just about the only "Flying Dutchman" brought up at Amazon is a nickname for André Rieu who made several albums of - get this - Strauss waltzes.) Milkunderwood (talk) 21:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner: please say so on the project talk and/or in the move discussion, it IS worthwhile arguing, same as Moonlight in a way. To speak of "Flying Dutchman" before the opera was translated is impossible, if you ask me, and to say it's in the way of Richard Wagner becoming a Featured article is underestimating the delegates. Bach: the recordings are much more history than recommendations, I like to see who recorded something in the 1940s and 1950s already. - You are welcome, of course, to make nice tables! Start with my GAs, BWV 76, 36, 40 ;) - ps: it's not an easy day today, I miss him, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Gerda, please do not risk starting an edit war on this topic while the page is up for FA review. As it happens I agree the name should be changed, but as is also clear to you from recent discussions most others do not. If you want to change the main Wikipedia name for this opera, please make your arguments on the talk page of

I am not in for an edit war. I only continued what Michael Bednarek started: Wagner didn't think of an English title. This has nothing to do with the name of that article. Repeating: in the FA Franz Kafka, ALL titles are German, with a piped link to the English article. Kafka wrote Das Schloss, not The Castle. Wagner wrote Der fliegende Holländer, not The Flying Dutchman. Both delegates studied Kafka, because one got so involved that he left it for the other to pass. Don't be afraid ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So you say "the use of English titles in certain parts of Wagner's biography is decidedly odd", so what? It is standard practice to use English names where they are most common in English per

p.s. As far as I am concerned the rule concerning titles should be followed with links in articles. Your opinion that he "really" wrote Der fliegende Holländer is irrelevant. There are many reasons for this policy, but the most important one is to avoid nationalistic squabbling. And by the way,

La Traviata is perfectly correct in English and IMO that's how the page should be capitalised. Paul B (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Do me a favour: read before you comment. It was not me, but Michael Bednarek who said "the use of English titles in certain parts of Wagner's biography is decidedly odd". It is not my opinion that Wagner wrote in German, but fact. - Sorry, I don't know what squabbling means, but perhaps I don't want to know. - Project opera is responsible for La traviata, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do me a favour. Look up the word "squabbling" if you don't know what it means. Sorry if I misread the author of the edit summary. It's easy to do. Your "argument" is just a repetition of your non-point. We use the most common names. Stravinsky wrote

Les Noces in Russian, and yet the title's there in French (and I use that capitalisation because I think that's proper for English usage whatever Project opera may think). It's the common title as used in English. Paul B (talk) 19:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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I look up words I want to know. - I know what nationalistic means, it's the first time that's applied to me, and hard to take. I vote to use the original name when speaking about a composer's intentions in any language, last time Le Sacre du printemps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paul, I think you need to

WP:AGF with Gerda here and not make rash overgeneralzations. Labeling someone "nationalistic" is generally rude, and in this case, VERY rude. This is a discussion about bringing a move discussion on one article into another one that is up for FA, nothing more. Montanabw^(talk) 01:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply

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@Paul Barlow: your opinion regarding the use of capital letters in titles of operas and works of classical music is clearly in contradiction to the guidelines of the relevant Wikipedia projects. The guidelines do explicitly not follow the most common names but those which are used in reputable publications and/or which follow an established naming scheme. Wikipedia's Manual of Style in general is like that: it doesn't follow the most wide-spread style details but picks some through consensus and then applies them consistently. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for naming me an Awesome Wikipedian! You've made my day- that's a nice thing to wake up to. --PresN 16:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I remember the feeling, - that's one reason to do it, and I responded almost the same way ;) - It's a year today that I started calling it Precious, P for PumpkinSky, the photographer of the sapphire, sadly misssed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Dear Gerda, it's always a struggle trying to defend the integrity of Wikipedia as a real encyclopedia, against the COMMONNAME philistines who keep wanting to dumb it down instead of redirecting to correct article titles. I'm awed by your efforts. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply ]

Thank you, - will nominate the cantata for DYK now, a highly unusual one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, I was just now looking at your note on Wagner's Männerlist at the Opera Project talkpage. I had been under the naive impression that in modern German, ss is considered an acceptable substitute for ß - is this wrong? I always keep finding CD liner notes, printed in Germany, that substitute the double-s for an Eszett. Of course I understand that Wagner's original title uses the Eszett, but (without having any idea of WP's guideline on its use, one way or the other), I worry that readers not familiar with German will have no idea what it represents. This seems to me an entirely different situation from any sort of diacritic (à, é, ô, ø, ü, ñ, ç, ł, š) where even if the reader doesn't understand the pronunciation, at least the underlying Roman character can be recognized. I haven't looked around for whatever rules WP might have for non-Roman characters such as þ (thorn) or ð (eth). Personally I would advise against using ß in article titles, but maybe that's just me. Milkunderwood (talk) 06:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course ß is a true ligature of Roman letters, like æ or œ, but it differs in not being recognizable as such. Milkunderwood (talk) 06:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To answer the first question: the impression is wrong. ß is used after long vowels, such as Straße, opposed to short ones like Tasse. Replacing it by ss gives the impression of the wrong vowel length. So I advise to keep it. Fritz Grasshoff is my exception, because he changed his name when he went to live in Canada. It's Friedrich der Große, in that case the replacement is bad because "gross" has a meaning. - The Swiss don't use ß, and there is no capital ß, so when you go to all capitals, like in ship names, you will have GROSSE, - but now look at this mess ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I hadn't understood the short/long vowel distinction was still necessary; I did know the ß had been abandoned in some areas, but thought it was generally being made optional (or discarded) throughout.

BTW, I added a note to your Holländer discussion at the opera project. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:39, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ß: I - other than Grasshoff (interesting man!) think we should try not to change names. - Holländer: thank you, I just replied on Classical, - and did you see my comment (yesterday) in the FAC? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda! -

I found the following message on my talk page (sent there by mistake) -

DYK nomination of August Röckel

Best, --Smerus (talk) 04:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, I replied as I could, suggested to drop Bakunin. - The notice was not a mistake, you are the main author ;) - nice to hear about Rienzi! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Gerda, Well done with Röckel DYK!! - would you now like to take a look at Carl Friedrich Rungenhagen? Best, --Smerus (talk) 08:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, done - with a few inline citations that one would also be good for DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Planyavsky. Sourced Rungenhagen, more info here.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the magic! - expand Ulf Schirmer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I added what I could find for Schirmer.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Planyavsky titles are hilarious! - could you do a dab on his last name? also Gárdonyi? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Created Planyavsky and Alfred Planyavsky, Gárdonyi already exists.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:18, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will expand Peter. Alfred would just need a few more chars to qualify for DYK ;)

Gardony seems still a bit confusing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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What is your single most favourite piece of music? Mine is this. It has romance, passion, sadness, atmosphere, poignance, grandeur, deeply haunts me in a good way!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mine is the Mass in B minor, all the attributes apply, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda; thanks for your support of the Anne Hutchinson article for TFA. I hope you don't think that my support for your Blaine article was in response to that. I started looking at the Blaine article earlier in the day, and wanted to enjoy it for a while before voicing my support. I was quite shocked to sit down and write my half-sentence support blurb for your article and then go up to update the table, and find that Hutchinson got another support. Lo and behold, it was from you! This was, actually, a coincidence. Anyway, thank you for this support, and also for the prized recognition with your "Precious" award last month.--Sarnold17 (talk) 22:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I like those coincidences, didn't even see it before you mentioned it ;) Blaine is not "mine", btw, none is. I don't like to fight, but ownership of articles is one of my enemies ;) - I nominate various articles of many authors as a member of

WP:QAI, a project with a prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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The thing is that you and I know - but we shouldn't second guess the users.....Best, --Smerus (talk) 15:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You think that you and I are the only ones to know that a piece's article will have the link to the creator? - A bit more seriously: I think it's actually better for the reader if only the essential information is blue. I link to a composer if the piece is a red link. - But I won't revert ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, re this edit - since {{Normdaten}} is a redirect to {{Authority control}}, and the latter was already present (just below the "Cultural offices" succession box, added with this edit), it's best to added the two parameters into the {{authority control}}. I have fixed it. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I missed the former one, and when copying from de I tend to be lazy ;) when I copy to de I don't translate the translation templates, happy that they work the same, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers for picking up the

I started only in 2011, taking (not picking) everything coming along. Feel free to insert her as #2 and archive as "Older" with a link to the DYK archive. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gerda! Greetings from Kiev--Smerus (talk) 12:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy being kind of star of the day ;) - I learned not to wait for the bot (which seems to have a hard time learning {{article history}}) - thinking about expanding the cantata, the first GA of GA and my signature article (see above) for FA, after expanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:22, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

supported. (Next time around, can you link to the older discussion? start a new topic? not ask retired people - such as

AutomaticStrikeout?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Hello Gerda. I was wondering if I could once again call on your expertise in regard to Champagne Galop, probably Lumbye's most successful work. I have finally embarked on the red links in the music section of the Danish Culture Canon and thought I would handle this one first. You are of course most welcome to make any additions or changes.--Ipigott (talk) 13:06, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cute, - don't know the piece. Perhaps mention a bit on the music? Tivoli to lead? New year's concert from there to body? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know the piece well and I would have loved to comment more on the music but I cannot find much about the piece online except on the early inclusion of the xylophone in the orchestra and all the general stuff about Lumbye being the Strauss of the north. Maybe that would do but I'll try to dig deeper. I'll swop Tivoli and the New Year's concert around. Thanks.--Ipigott (talk) 17:09, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is a score available? You can use it as a source, compare

He was despised, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Surpringly, despite the age of the piece, I can't find any free online editions of the score. But I think the article's OK now. Thanks for your help. Maybe I'll create short articles on the other two galops.--Ipigott (talk) 21:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You could also use an offline score, like a book ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you wholeheartedly. This was unexpected but really touching. :D I really enjoy this place. Too bad that I am not as free as I used to be before. :( Jivesh1205 (Talk) 17:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mille grazie. Always happy to bring a little Puccini to brighten people's lives. Keep up the good work, as always, and happy editing...as always. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was a surprise, thankyou!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:30, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to nominate Cardus so we can see which of the two possibilities for 3rd April is the more popular, you may, and insofar as you need permission to do so, you have it!

Thank you, but I nominated Messiah, did you change Teh Rulez? which require no more than one nom at a time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know you nominated Messiah, which is why I said that you could nominate Cardus and that insofar as you needed permission to do so, you had permission. If there was nothing to stop you, you wouldn't need permission, would you? I also know that Hawkeye has two nominations on the page, and I'm fine with that in the circumstances (I'd pick James Bryant Conant for that day even if he wasn't nominated and if we have competing 125th birthday boys, let's have them slug it out and may the best man win). I also know that "exceptional" noms like a triple TFA don't come to TFAR but to Raul's talk page but, as you will have noticed, I've turned a blind eye to that too...

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Thank you for all of this. I saw Hawkeye's two nominations but am not the one to point out formal mistakes if something makes sense. However (may SandyGeorgia forgive me), I would prefer to have the rules officially changed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Consider this part of an experiment if you want...

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That's what I do, it's my experiment if these rules are forever, or if we can let go of that past, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I confused earlier -

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No problem about the confusion. Fight is not my fun, I told Brian about this, he and Tim are the authors of Cardus, it's up to them, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, thanks so much, Gerda! I trust your well. Graham87 00:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I responded to the discussion on the DYK but I wanted to mention it here so you would see it faster. The only thing I see missing is a footnote citation on the second sentence - which is the first mention of the fact in the hook. Once you add that, drop me a note and I'll be fine with giving it a green "OK". Allecher (talk) 19:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think I did that, will reply there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you a Mozartist as well, or solely a Bachist? I was thinking of doing a Mozart article but wouldn't mind getting some feedback on it before I subject it to the DYK treatment. Prioryman (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I love Mozart, - what do you have in mind? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bardengesang auf Gibraltar: O Calpe! Dir donnert's am Fusse is pretty scanty, there's a lot of scope for expansion there. I'm just going through sources at the moment. Prioryman (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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moved ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well done, I don't have the eszett on my keyboard. :-) I'll do some work on the article and ask you to look it over when I'm done, if that's OK with you. Prioryman (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fine, - the pic overlaps with the text on my small screen. Funny piece, never heard of it! - Perhaps we should think of the title again, description or first line, - to have both seems almost too much, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Turns out the article has been on DYK before, six years ago (!), so I won't be nominating it after all. I'd be grateful if you could have a look over it now that I've expanded it, though. Prioryman (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great expansion! I moved the pic because the poem's stanzas were not aligned, - revert if you don't like it. Any red link possible to mention the thing it in a hook? (That's what I do when I can't expand enough.) Or GA? - "Erzengländer" is stronger than "real Englishman", like "Erzfeind" is archenemy, literally "ore enemy". "Rational person"? "Reasonable"? But we have to take what the sources say, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The sources differ about the translation, actually; some give "arch-Englishman", which fits with your comparison with "Erzfeind". We could use that? Prioryman (talk) 23:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please, there's also Archangel, same thing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So Englishmen are the next best thing to angels? Sounds good! ;-) I've added "arch-Englishman". Thanks very much for your help. Prioryman (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

my pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

nominate ) 08:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC) Funny how Aage Haugland keeps turning up. I started him ages ago just because his name began with Aa! I was having a fun day finding missing articles beginning with Aa!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Erhard Hegenwald, can you proof?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Danke!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerne! - We found an excellent translator for Enchiridion, and another for the Lochamer, did you see? Love it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Mental note!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:38, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22 DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Roland Bader DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Carabinieri (talk) 00:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Josiah Gregg Gerda I read this article because it's interesting, but looked at the history and noticed it was one that close paraphrasing that needs to be addressed. Examples: From this source [2], article says "In 1831, on the advice of his doctor, Gregg left Missouri and took a trip west to Santa Fe, New Mexico, on a new trail beginning at Van Buren, Arkansas with a caravan of merchants", source says, "On the advice of his doctors Gregg made his first trip west in the spring of 1831, across the plains to Santa Fe with a merchant caravan". And this source, (btw the link is wrong), [3], article says "During 1848 and 1849 Gregg joined a botany expedition that went through western Mexico and began sending specimens of plants to eastern naturalists and corresponded within George Engelmann in St. Louis, Missouri, sending him collections of plants, many of which were previously undescribed." Source says, "Having become acquainted with the German naturalist Frederick A. Wislizenus, he joined a botanical expedition to western Mexico and California, during which he corresponded with and sent specimens to the eminent botanist George Engelman in St. Louis. These are fairly easy fixes, but result from a very looking at only two sources, so the rest of should be checked. I thought about putting this on the nom, but haven't checked the history to see when the edits were added. It's tricky because the current nominator probably didn't introduce the errors, so I thought I'd alert you since you reviewed and approved. talk) 01:03, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, I will look closer or withdraw, - there are only so many ways to say a thing, and the ones you mentioned seem not too close to me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Maybe ask Moonriddengirl about it with links to my edits here - she's familiar with the talk) 12:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Good idea, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Not sure she saw it. I've rewritten slightly. talk) 12:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you! - She sometimes replies not instantly. - I guess you would still recommend a thorough look at the sources? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Looking now and unfortunately finding more, editing as I go. But I need to work now, so yes, I think a thorough spotcheck is warranted. talk) 13:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Fine, thank you, no rush, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hi Gerda, leaving you a link [4] to this query on my talk. Can you follow up on this please? I thought that QPQ reviewing was just that, and as I haven't submitted shouldn't really be doing a review or have to do the spotchecks. Thanks. talk) 02:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Perhaps you note in the review that you are done, and someone else should look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, can't. Have mentioned it here. talk) 22:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] responded there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Question about DYK Hi Gerda! I expanded the Josiah Gregg article which you had originally said was good to go, and which now has a note about "close paraphrasing." I read the paragraphs above this one and I am still confused. I reread the article and all the sources tonight and except for where I go thru the list of wagons, men, and livestock, I don't see anything too close, but then again, perhaps I have looked at it too many times and fresh eyes are needed. Please do let me know what you think, I am glad to read (above) that the problem wasn't in the parts I just expanded! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! The close paraphrasing issue is too hot for me, not being fit enough in English, I think a second pair of eyes would be good, and will have some patience first for them to show up. As I said above, I don't see the mentioned examples as too close, but I learned the power of suspicion well enough to be careful, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Palais Leuchtenberg Can you proof this, text is hidden.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Interesting! Ludwigstrasse should be moved to Ludwigstraße (Munich) or something like it, Strasse is wrong German, and there many named after Ludwig, compare, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Is it sorted now? Can you translate the captions for the gallery?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Erfurt Enchiridion Congratulations to you and ☠ on this! I had never heard of this work, and it's an interesting subject. In reply to your note on my talk page, I'm not sure which was the "latest addition" you meant, but if you think something I added is in the wrong place, please just move it. Moonraker (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] I moved it, also to the lead. Can you imagine to translate the title page, which says about the same thing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] I started ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Glad you enjoyed it Moonraker 1, thanks again for your diligent translation assistance.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Das ist wunderbar!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Echo. And thanks for the credit, I did very little. Moonraker (talk) 01:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Veni redemptor gentium‎ stub. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] List of masses by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Hi Gerda, hope you are well. I stumbled across the above and thought I maybe able to do something with it. This is my attempt at formatting a correct wikitable and I have also given it a bit of a lede too. I may have some of the table titles wrong (along with some other bits and pieces), but this does stray a little out of my area (despite my love of classical music). Let me know what you think, and if you like it I will move it over to the main space. Best regards! -- CassiantoTalk 18:30, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Excellent approach! Did you see my conversation with Riana? Get the title as column 2, move it to mainspace and let's take it from there, it's already much better than what we have, I did see your conversation, yes. A little bit of talk page stalking is where I gain my inspiration to help others out. It's all moved over and looks kinda good! Happy to help :-) -- CassiantoTalk 20:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, a good team! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rlendog (talk) 21:37, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I will reply there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Peter Planyavsky Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Edward Clark (conductor) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, I sometimes think I'm losing the plot, because I had no idea this had even been nominated, let alone finalised. Thanks, anyway. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 08:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] He is winning! - Did you see that the reviewer recommended to take it to GA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I did. I've never been that interested in the whole GA/FA thing, but maybe it's time I got on the bandwagon. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 08:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] You could just try, he's such an important figure, deserves the extra attention! If it fails (depends a lot on who will review), so what. All you have to do is place {{subst:GAN|subtopic=music}} on top of his talk page. - I just recommended to follow your moving example, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Peter Planyavsky DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Erfurt Enchiridion DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] German botanists Hi Gerda - Ludwig Wittmack and Augusto Weberbauer may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, they do! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Es lebe der König, der Vater im Lande, BWV Anh11.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:24, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks, see? (in progress) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Wow, I'm impressed! Why did you remove the beige coloured header form the infobox? I rather liked it, makes it more interesting. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I wanted to please Mathsci, didn't work (s. BWV 105 history), - but I also like it simple, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Johann-Sebastian-Bach-Institut and Nikolaus Herman♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ping! :) ~ Riana ⁂ 16:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Miss Calypso DYK Gerda, thanks for making the nom. I was gonna take care of it today, after I worked some more on its lead and took care of some other housekeeping. Would you mind if I suggested another hook? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Of course not! - I probably should have waited a bit, but forgot such things in the past ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] No problem; I appreciate the assistance. You might already know that this article will be on the main page on Angelou's 85th birthday, as will her main article, on April 4. I'd also like to get an Angelou FT by then, but I'm not confident. The final thing that needs to happen first is List of honors received by Maya Angelou being passed as an FL. Would you mind helping out by going here [5] and taking a look? I'd muchly appreciate it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I looked at the list, very impressive awards! Nicely arranged and well sourced. On my small screen, the Obama pic makes the list appear very narrow, creating a lot of white space. I see several solutions: you might put it at the end, to the refs, where it fits better chronologically, - if you have more pics like that you might include it in a separate column, - you might expand the lead and place it before the table. - I never reviewed a list, so hesitate to be number one there ;) - I remember that this one didn't make it. - I tried to nominate a picture for featured, the one on top, - that also didn't make it. - Good luck for you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I agree that the Obama image crowded the list of awards. I moved the image down to the "Honorary degrees" section where there was room at the right. Binksternet (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I actually asked how to solve that problem, so I'm glad someone overcame my inadequacies and helped fix it. Thanks to the both of you. If you're uncomfortable being the first to review it, put it on your watchlist and shoot, be the second person! ;) And I believe in you; I think you're more than able to review a FL. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 07:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] It was on my watchlist before you asked ;) - Wish I had more time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Lochamer-Liederbuch DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page . Gatoclass 00:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC) Reciprocity, repetition, etc. Hi, Gerda. Thank you for your nice "anniversary" note. I also am sorry about PS's absence. I regret that I completely missed his RFA. I was busy with real life, and I had un-watchlisted his RFA, so I was unaware of it until it was too late to help. In general, I believe there's way too much wikidrama. Wikidrama is rough on people! --Orlady (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I remember that you watchlisted it ;) - Your translation help is still up here, not only because of "impervious to pain, up to a certain point". The first time I noticed how rough Wiki is on people, was Rlevse leaving, I shrugged. The second time was BarkingMoon leaving, I screamed. (Some still believe that was the same person.) - I got more impervious and now just keep our sad list, should add Bishonen and My76Strat as of yesterday but always wait a few days hoping, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Messiah and Neville Cardus Hello, Gerda. You are much more clued up than I am about nominating articles for the front page, and I am suitably grateful for your efforts with Messiah and Sir Neville. We must brace ourselves for the usual well-meaning but unhelpful drive-by changes. Prenez garde! Best wishes, Tim. – Tim riley (talk) 17:32, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! In case you have time and info, Messiah Part II and III show "Lücken" (empty spots?) for the movements we did not perform, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Bernhard M. Hämmerli DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Palais Leuchtenberg DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] St. Peter und Paul, Weimar.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Look at all the links you filled (just created ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Looks good, thanks!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yeah LOL, 1111 is a weird figure! Can you proof Wilhelm-Ernst-Gymnasium, I've also asked Moonraker's help so maybe do half of something if you can, I think we could include the church and the school in one hook.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:32, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] The church is meant for Easter! Don't let me look for a third red link ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Started, but need to go. History is very rough. Perhaps do what I would do: look for the links in German, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Preise dein Glücke, gesegnetes Sachsen, BWV 215 nominate ) 00:43, 9 March 2013 (UTC) DYK for Klaus-Jürgen Deuser nominate ) 08:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC) Precious award "Aw shucks", Gerda! You're a great encourager. Thank you. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Advice Gerda, before I clear out of here I want you to know that it's not okay to come to my page and complain to me about a., other editors spelling; b., an editor's interactions with another; c., give up personal information about an editor I've never interacted with. Please in the future take up the complaints with the editors in question. Also in terms of having issues about how one editor interacts with another, keep in mind that I've been subjected to quite a lot of unpleasantness from editors who you not only defend and support but have gone so far as maintaining their pages and making a special "missed" page for. Where were you when they were harassing me or others? I'm very upset by the continuing sniping and animosity and think the only way to get out from under is to walk away. talk) 17:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I think I said sorry a few times, once I noticed it wasn't a good idea. The "missed" page was not made by me, as you can easily see from the contributions to it and the history. - Every editor is a human being. - What you perceived as sniping and animosity was not intended as such, I am sorry once more. - I said before that facts don't help when feelings are strong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, I would suggest being careful to speak only for yourself - TK's reference to "sniping and animosity" deals mostly with the other editors she refers to in her post. Others are not as kind as you seem to try to be. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I can speak only for myself, naturally. Thank you for the reminder, also for the Planyavsky change, - it helps people like Moxy. - I perceived some comments regarding him in the infobox thread as unpleasant, but perhaps I am wrong, and AGF would have been the better idea, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for In the Penal Colony (opera) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Chamal T•C 17:23, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great Suggestions! Hello, Gerda Arendt. You have new messages at Ellin Beltz's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. DYK for Joseph Merk nominate ) 00:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Tireless Contributor Barnstar You really do deserve this, and may more like it, for all the work you do around the place! - SchroCat (talk) 11:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC) ...and so say all of us! -- CassiantoTalk 13:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! - trying to teach the basics is tiring sometimes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank You!!!! Hi Gerda, it's so nice when someone asks how I'm doing.. Yeah, I really don't know why we watch pages, but I do know that we are supposed to click on the heart if we want to watch it... I read it in the intro.. So if you don't mind- 1. Why should I watch pages and how am I doing so far??? The Wikimon (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] More composer navboxes You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge that enables you to help fill in composer templates. I have also created these {{Franz Lehár}}, {{Jacques Offenbach}}, {{Georges Bizet}}, and {{Giacomo Puccini}}. If you add the template to any pages make sure to add the pages to the template and if you add any pages to the template, add the template to the pages. I wasn't sure enough if they are ok, but will add. - Easy knowledge, besides the {{ Wagner}} composed Der Fliegende Holländer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Oh, you did it already! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Two more to look at {{ WP:FOUR) 04:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Will do, but have limited time today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Have a look at {{ WP:FOUR) 03:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I looked at Vivaldi only now. It reads as if Operas and sacred music were no compositions ;) Is there a list of his sacred works? He wrote several Gloria (how to show that in the navbox, the article says so), and more than one Credo (the article does not say so), I would not be surprised if more than one Kyrie, but the article says firmly "The Kyrie". - Ring: good approach, I would look for a different word for "Cycles" when we get to the single parts, would get "discography first" for all, and list some dates, perhaps beginning AND premiere date, because of the gap. Mention Bayreuth? First Ring 1876? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am not sure what you are suggesting with Vivaldi. I have made {{ WP:FOUR) 05:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Newly created: {{ WP:FOUR) 14:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Also did {{ WP:FOUR) 03:54, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution talk) 10:45, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Good goal and project, I will watch, but have a lot on my unwritten to-do-list, both content and project work. I try to work towards the goals in the conflicts I am in, see this long one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Did you know nominations/St. Peter und Paul, Weimar Sorry about the promotion. Thanks for pointing it out. Its a good hook, must have gotten carried away. Cheers! Ashwin147 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Legend I like your [[File:Scuttled ships.jpg]] legend. All the best! –  – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks should go to Wehwalt, who took the photo - thinking of a legend - and coined the phrase on his user, - perhaps I should credit him but thought the pic would tell those whose "inquiring mind wants to know", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ha, ha! Excellent! –  – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thüringer Bachwochen Thüringer Bachwochen, text is hidden!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:55, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, can't remember if we nommed it or not!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] This one is too short, at least now. You wanted to do the Gymnasium with the Herder House, - I think it's too late for the Gymnasium, but you could still mention it with the other. Needs refs first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Woman photographers Hi Gerda. As you may know, some of us have been trying to improve coverage of women photographers in connection with Women's History Month. I have just started an article on Gertrud Arndt whose name immediately reminded me of yours. If you happen to know of any other deserving German ladies, please let me know. You can see those who already have biographies at List of women photographers.--Ipigott (talk) 10:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] My woman photographer is Anna Blume. When her husband died, Bazon Brock spoke at the funeral and quoted his high-voltage sign, shown on my user. - Thanks for this one! Two more lines, and it's DYK, she deserves it. - I would like to see Elisabeth Röckel expanded on her 220th birthday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] OK. I've added a bit more if you would like to nominate her for a DYK. You might also be interested in Margaret Michaelis-Sachs. See also the bottom of my talk page for a number of other recent additions. Did Elisabeth Rôckel have any interest in photography?--Ipigott (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Will nom and look. Elise photography? 220 years ago? - no, woman in history, wife of Hummel, soprano, collected lock of Beethoven but is probably not "his" Elise, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: would you mind an infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I wouldn't have added an infobox myself and WP History of photography is not keen on them either. But I suppose that in the end it's a matter of taste. A photo would be good though, if you are good at finding photos out of copyright. As for Elisabeth Röckel, my question was not really out of context. Women were working with photography from the mid-19th century. Just look at Anna Atkins (1799-1871) for example. Anyway, if you think I could help with enhancing the coverage of Röckel, I'll try to get back to her some time in April although I see it's her birthday today. My priority for the moment is women photographers. Thanks for working on a DYK.--Ipigott (talk) 17:04, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Röckel was in the 18th century, April too late, - all the best with yours --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Dann liebe Gerda muß ich es vielleicht auf Deutsch erklären. Vom 1800 bis 1900 sind wir nicht im 18ten sondern im 19ten Jahrhundert. Röckel wurde vielleicht am Enden des 18ten geboren aber sie lebte und sang im 19ten. Eben wie Anna Atkins fotografierte im 19ten. Ganz verwirrend, nicht? Diese Jahrhunderte sind manchmals nicht zu verstehen. Ich komme auf jedem Fall eines Tages auf Elisabeth Röckel zurück. Sie verdient viel mehr. Auch wenn sie nicht mehr Geburtstag hat! Sogar auf dem deutschen Wiki gibt es nicht besonders viel über sie. In der Zwischenzeit habe ich Anne Blume auch aif die Liste gebracht. Gut daß Du sie genannt hast. Schlaf gut und bis zum nächten Mal.--Ipigott (talk) 21:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Danke, voll von Spatzenmesse (für Ostern) - Anna Blume bitte, wie Schwitters ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] In case you are interested see here. Frietjes (talk) 21:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] interested yes, thanks, watching - I said today that some people learned from the former discussion, - I should thank Andy for making He was despised for us, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Merchandise nom proposal! I want to nominate your name for Wikipedia:Merchandise giveaways/Nominations. I have seen at least one editor there has declined the offer after being nominated! Let me know your opinion! --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Not applicable! --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am on the list, took the honours but declined the merchandise, - thanks for thinking of me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Margaret Michaelis-Sachs Thanks, Gerda, for your DYK nomination. I have modified the text of the article so that it reflects your hook. I should also point out that Cracow has been updated in the article to Kraków. I therefore suggest the hook should be modified to coincide with this spelling.--Ipigott (talk) 12:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Do so, need to go, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Also modified text of Gertrud Arndt to reflect your hook.--Ipigott (talk) 12:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! (The hook doesn't have to be in the article exactly, did you know?) - Met this lady, juxtaposed to Thorvaldsen's of the same name, the guide said that they appear in all books together but never so far in the same room! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] It makes it much easier for the reviewer if he can immediately connect the hook to the text of the article. In any case, your quotes deserved more specific attention. On Thorvaldsen, I suppose you are referring to Hebe. Maybe you've been to the Neoclassical exhibition at the Städel Museum? I believe both Canova's and Thorvaldsen's Hebe were to be placed together there. I hope they enjoyed each other's company!--Ipigott (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] good research! both actually looked not interested in the other ;) a good exhibition: nothing else in the room --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Satyajit Ray filmography Hey. Would it be possible for you to take a look at the article and provide some feedback on PR raised? I am planning to take this up to FLC. Any feedback would be appreciated. - Vivvt • (Talk) 00:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks ... for the typo fix [6] - I was copying the article titles off the front page of my score, where it's spelled "Antlich", and thinking "I swear we sang something different" but I was writing late at night and didn't go the tiny step further of verifying, obviously :) ~ Riana ⁂ 01:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] my pleasure to read your articles! - I learned typo fixing watching George Ponderevo and never thanked him until yesterday (blushing now). - We will sing the Schubert Mass No 6! - Did you see that there are two red links of choral works in our concert history? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: did you notice that I added several Masses to "we", also yesterday? (On my talk I feel free to say Masses, not masses.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Very nice. I intend to write an article on the Rutter Mag and Gloria once I get hold of scores (probably sometime in the next week, I don't own any). Same plan for the Kodály Missa Brevis and Langlaise Messe solennelle :) ~ Riana ⁂ 10:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am thrilled! I sang both Rutters, Gloria with a different group (great but not "notable" enough), and the Kodály. Schubert deserves all masses covered, I prepared No 5 and then was sick the day of the concert, tough ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I've definitely got my eye on all the Schubert masses. :) ~ Riana ⁂ 12:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great! (I thought so.) - Can you expand the G minor Stabat Mater a bit (Schubert baptized in the church, Magnificat part of vespers service ...)? Would be a good DYK on Good Friday. I wonder if the titles arend't better including Schubert's name, for search purposes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'll see what I can do about the Gm, it's quite a small piece but I may be able to expand with historical background and some notes on the music. I have set up a disambig page at Stabat Mater (Schubert) so the Stabat Maters can be found easily but I'm fine for someone to move them back to include Schubert's name. ~ Riana ⁂ 03:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] All done! Check out {{Schubert masses}} :) I'll need to write the list at some stage. ~ Riana ⁂ 10:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Osanna! Will look, busy now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Andreas Scholl I've finished with the lead now Gerda, hope you think it does the subject justice. Ironically, now that the lead's been expanded, I much prefer the uncollapsed infobox (I might even prefer no infobox at all in this case, but that's a separate story). The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions". Fatuorum 04:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you! (This is without looking yet, I trust your quality.) - Did you see that I took the picture (not the lead, the other)? Same day as the one of another church where he appeared and you liked. I will not touch the infobox until the "collapse discussion is over", see talk. - There should be more in it, will look into that later, see talk. - A good infobox should draw the interest of someone who just came to find one fact into reading the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I only looked at the lead Gerda. May I ask you a personal question? Is Gerda Arendt your real name? If you're suspicious about why I'm asking you then just email me and I'll explain, nothing sinister I promise. Fatuorum 07:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] If I was a suspicious person I would not write under my real name ;) - if you have time, go over the rest, - if you look at the history, you will see that it was started by a devotee, ready to mention every note he sang, I dropped a lot of that but a bit more of one style would be great. You won't believe how many people crowded our concert just to hear him. He said he would come again (about the highest praise a church choir can receive) but has no time for the next one, David Erler will sing alto then, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. I feel foolish editing under a pseudonym like "Malleus Fatuorum", and if my real name isn't already bagged I may request a change. Either way, I think a little more openness might go a long way. Fatuorum 07:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Good idea! - Good luck! (You will need it, because as far as I know Andy Mabbett tried the same, but was not permitted to change, that's how his signature got so long.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'll see if my real name is available. Back on the subject of Scholls though, I've heard some old recordings of castrati. Can he really reach those high notes with his balls still in place? Fatuorum 07:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] There were soprano castrati and alto. He can singer everything alto, your recordings may be soprano. There are males who can those also. - His wonderful event for the Rheingau Musik Festival - 3 concerts in 3 churches in one day will be repeated this year (different programs and one church different)! - That festival could also use a better lead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps:for name changes, ask 28bytes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] What do you think about the Fatuorum 08:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] no time, need to talk to ArbCom and go to church ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Template:Did you know nominations/Simeon Magruder Levy Hi Gerda, I've reviewed and there is a small issue before this can pass. Please see the nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Twinkle, Twinkle... Dear Spongefeeder, I've been bitten by the Wikibug, and it's uncontrollable... Everytime I walk in front of my comp or iPod, it calls to me to come and edit, even during exams, I think searching for pages to edit... Request antidote immediately... BTW I've got Twinkly on my Task Bar... Is it good or am I being a smarty pant?? Cause everyone has it, and I thought maybe I should have it tooo!!!!! And I just crossed 100 edits!! Treat's on me.... :)The Wikimon (talk) 13:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Twinkle? - Do exams first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ok WikiProject Economics looks pretty screwed up.. Nothing new, doesn't even look neat and no way close to other WPs that I peeked into!! I love my daily dose of Eco and want to know how I can help there??? BTW exams are going great, another three papers left and I'll be here 24/7!! :-) So don't worry Mama Bear!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Wikimon (talk) 09:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good to know! Do you mean what the project is doing or how it presents itself? I would go to the project's talk and ask how I can help, and after some help asked, see what else I want done. - I am involved in several projects (categories on my user), for example Germany, where I maintain the DYK section (Did you know?) on their portal, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Discussion you may have an opinion on I am surprised you have not stated your opinion at WP:FOUR) 14:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] no time (look above), now off for RL, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Orchestra infoboxes Gerda, I apologize if I appeared to give offense; certainly none was intended. I always have a great respect for your thoughtful comments. Here I happened to disagree with some of your suggestions, but I was in no way trying to shut off the discussion. Milkunderwood (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I just replied on your talk. No, I didn't have the impression that you tried to shut off the discussion, I had the impression that you thought that was my proposal, whereas it was no more than showing how such a thing could look and what possibilities there are. I live by examples, and the amount of talk by people who don't have the slightest idea of a topic is astounding. Some may not know that every field can be a list, and that the list can be partly or completely collapsed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, I saw that. I don't know anything at all about the ongoing project to include all wanted metadata within an infobox, but you should raise that point at the discussion. Milkunderwood (talk) 18:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Do so if you want trouble ;) - some people are fed up with the topic, I try to take it easy. - Ask Curly Turkey, or read a bit in that discussion. - My point is that Wikidata has to come from somewhere: we can supply something good - or wait for others to do so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I certainly understand that WP is filled with controversies of all kinds - sometimes it seems to be about little else. I do not know anything about this metadata business, but I can imagine how much nonsense it is generating. If there's a probability of this current proposal getting mired in the same stuff, it might as well be addressed - we can't hide it under a rug. And, it's only in the context of the metadata problem that I could understand the points you had posted there before, but seemed to be tiptoeing around. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Please get from "controversies of all kinds" to this particular one which we just survived, and see that facts didn't help against the personal issues carried on since 2008. One editor went on semi-retired. I have no time for that, sorry. - If we put data in an infobox, that opens possibilities for access in other cultures and languages, but only if it's granular, for example you know where in a date the month is, what a city is, etc. - Look at that discussion and see people opposing things they don't understand and don't even try to understand. - But then you meet one who got it and can be happy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Nikolaus Herman DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Harrias talk 00:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Navboxes under fire Today, I deployed {{ WP:FOUR) 18:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I wanted to link to your composers navboxes, same fire, I don't think I would be heard ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Thank you for your help and your patience with me on the Josiah Gregg DYK article!! I have been very busy with helping a friend with their house and moving lately and if you hadn't kept up with it, I might not have finished to this point! Again thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Simeon Magruder Levy nominate ) 16:03, 19 March 2013 (UTC) DYK for Gertrud Arndt nominate ) 16:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC) Martin Galling and Martin Lattke needs proofing! LOL Gertrud Arndt, almost Gerda Arendt!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:02, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Margaret Michaelis-Sachs Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Amandajm (talk) 09:00, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you Nice to know ones efforts are appreciated. Palm_Dogg (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Something fishy Hi Gerda-- I assume you are keeping tabs on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#WDR Rundfunkorchester Köln. Somehow it seems a little strange that both of these radio orchestras would have been established at exactly the same time, with such similar names. Do you suppose it would be possible to research their histories - for instance were they originally established as a single orchestra, and then later split? Do they have different repertoires, for different kinds of audiences, or are they pretty much in direct "competition" with each other? I think it might be useful to add a bit of discussion at both of these articles that would help point out the distinction, and to address their histories. At the least, it seems that a line in each of the discussions ought to say that the one is not to be confused with the other. Or am I misunderstanding the whole situation? Milkunderwood (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] They have different repertory, one serious (Sinfonie), the other one lighter, - the leading WDR was added to the names much later, - what do you mean by fishy? What do you mean by "different kinds of audiences" for a broadcaster? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Well, strike the "different kinds of audiences". Some people like to listen to "serious", and other people prefer "lighter". My point is simply that the two similarly-named orchestras is confusing to readers - especially to Englisch-sprechende readers unfamiliar with Kölnische ("Kölsch"?) orchestras; and that it would be helpful to explain, in the two articles, something of their histories dating back to their apparently simultaneous founding in 1947, as well as their current repertories or whatever. For instance, you say the leading WDR was added to both their names much later. I would never have guessed that from either article. I just think it's important to point out in each of the two articles (not just as a "See also") that there are two similarly-named orchestras, and how that came about. Is my point still not clear to you? Milkunderwood (talk) 23:03, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes and no. They don't have similar names, Sinfonie is only in one of them. It's "Kölner", not "Kölnische", btw ;) - Go ahead, be bold, clarify, what you think is missing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] But I don't have any information about either of them, whereas you seem to know a good deal about their histories, and the differences in their repertories, etc. (I knew what "Kölsch" is, btw.) I understand that if you look carefully at the names it's clear they are different organizations, but whereas a German would disregard the "WDR" and interpret the remainder of the name, an English-speaker would puzzle over the difference. Further, how did each happen to come into being at the same time, in 1947? One says it was started by the Allied occupation - was the other also? Why two separate orchestras at the same time? You also said the "WDR" was added to the names much later - when? I can't be "bold" with something I don't know anything about. I just think the apparently similar names and histories need to be explained and differentiated in both articles, with reference to each other. Otherwise people are scratching their heads and wondering "What the hell...?" Milkunderwood (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Well, I've tried to fix the two articles some, but more historical information would still be very helpful. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] (ec) Two different orchestras for two different fields of music (Rundfunk for "Leichte Muse"), first no WDR in the names, - that is what I know, no more, I would have to read also. Both orchestras have a German article, perhaps those help? Look at "my" discussions on Bach, Opera, infobox and moves: I don't have the time right now, sorry. Did you see how old my message is? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Oh, okay. In the meantime I've also added to the "See also" at WDR links to both of the Cologne orchestras. All this should help some. :-) Milkunderwood (talk) 22:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Helpful, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] The orchestra of Cologne is the Gürzenich Orchestra, and there's the orchestra of the Cologne Opera, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Based on this last, I've also edited Cologne#Culture to add these names. Milkunderwood (talk) 00:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] And also inquired at that talkpage about the official start of Cologne's Carnival being set every year for November 11 at 11:11 AM(!??) Talk about something being fishy! Milkunderwood (talk) 05:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Not sure what you mean by fishy. Carnival begins on 11 November, 11:11am, simple as that. Don't ask me for a source, I grew up with it. It's official events, in all newspapers. Later events also begin elevenish, for example 8:11pm. - Cologne culture: I don't know about the radio orchestra in the Philharmonie (building), they may share. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Carnival is usually a few days preceding the start of Lent. The only association I can make with 11 AM on November 11 is the Armistice ending World War I (which had nothing to do with whatever was happening in Cologne). How does anyone have a merry-making revel that lasts from early-mid-November through at least well into February if not into April? Is Cologne celebrating the Armistice? Has it always (or for a very long time, since before 1918) been set for that date and time, so that the occasion of the Armistice is purely coincidence? I suppose "fishy" here could just mean an extremely unlikely coincidence, supposedly but unbelievably with no connection whatever. It would be hard for me to believe the Armistice was timed for Cologne's Carnival - that would be a real eyebrow-raiser. Milkunderwood (talk) 08:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Okay, that paragraph isn't very well phrased. There are really two separate questions here. One is, why the "coincident" time of the Armistice? Cologne's Carnival would have been the last thing on the minds of Hindenburg or Foch, or their negotiators. The second question is, when is a "Carnival" not a carnival at all, since you are obviously not out dancing costumed in the streets etc from November until the start of Lent - so what does it mean to call that very long period of time a "Carnival" if there's no actual carnival going on? Neither of these makes the slightest bit of sense, unless Cologne actually is celebrating the 1918 Armistice - which seems awfully unlikely. (One sense of "fishy" is something like "This doesn't add up. What else is going on here, that's being left unsaid?") Milkunderwood (talk) 10:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] May be what carnival means to you is not what Karneval means in Germany. It's indoor events starting 11 November, 11:11, culminating in open air events the week before Ash Wednesday, Weiberfastnacht the Thursday before, parades Saturday - Sunday - Monday (the most famous ones) - Tuesday. Cologne has it on Monday, but Cologne is only one of many places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ah - well, that makes more sense then. Thank you. I was thinking of Rio and New Orleans, for instance. Do you know how long ago the date was set for 11/11? Before or after 1918? Milkunderwood (talk) 22:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Symposiarch may know, he wrote Mainz carnival, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] That article answers the question - 11/11 long predates 1918, so it really is coincidence after all. Thank you for all your help. Milkunderwood (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] thanks! Gerda, you are too kind. (But I may be back to cause more trouble at DYK in the future ... ) On a different topic, I've almost decided to go to Germany in September to do a Bach tour. Perhaps closer to the time I'll give you list of the locations/buildings I've researched, for your comments. Do you subscribe to the Bach Network UK? They send out an online open-access journal (of variable quality) several times a year. This came today. Cheers Tony (talk) 06:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Requests Done, but can you start a new section when approaching with new requests, LOL it took me about a minute to find your post!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Will start a new one, but not for every single request, don't want to flood your talk. (condider to look at "last change") Did you know that it's Bach's birthday? (Old date, at least.) See also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Happy B'Day Bach! Yeah, well obviously not a new section for each post but if you start having to scroll back half a page then time to create a new section! I suppose anything about to 3 or 4 days would be fine, unless I have a 16 article DYk going through! Started Berthold Possemeyer.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Your friend I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you can find comfort in happy memories. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you. - The funeral was yesterday, dear friends flew in from the US and are with us, - most important. There's always time for data, but not people, thanks for understanding that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: he participated in writing this, but died gently from a stroke. If I wrote an article (but I know to little about his scientific accomplishments) it would be the forth for a friend who died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry to hear about this Gerda, who was it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Mass No. 1 (Schubert) Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SusanLesch (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Hey Gerda, I appreciate the nominations of No 1 and No 3! The Deutsche Messe might have made a good DYK but it's a bit old now :) I've recently started All-Night Vigil (Tchaikovsky) and nominated it for DYK. Unfortunately the fascinating side-alley of Russian choral music has kept me from my Schubert plans, which include writing the list and rewriting the Mass No 2. All in good time, I guess. Russian choral music seems really under-covered here - just started choral concerto as well. ~ Riana ⁂ 21:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Also, IMO the No 5 and No 6 articles are a bit more interesting than 1, 3 and 4! That could be because I just like the late masses better :) 5 and 6 definitely gave me a bit more to write about, though. ~ Riana ⁂ 21:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I was going to nominate the other "Schuberts"s ;) - see above why it didn't happen so far. Yes, Deutsche Messe is "too old" but could be mentioned in another hook. Thanks for the Vigil! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry for your loss. *hugs* Hope all is well. I just self-nominated them, if you would like to review or suggest an alternative hook - take your time! ~ Riana ⁂ 22:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hugs feel good, thank you! (I don't feel hugged on Talk:Bach, also interrupted.) - I take my time and enjoy the presence of friends I don't see often, - DYK will not want 5 Schubert masses in one week anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Butbutbut there's no such thing as too much Schubert! :P ~ Riana ⁂ 22:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Of course not, but DYK doesn't like whatever topic too dominant (see above, "flowers"). Did you read TFA Hallelujah, improvements welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Margaret Michaelis-Sachs DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Max von Widnmann talk) 00:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Piano Concerto (Delius) nominate ) 16:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC) I'm Back!!! Missed me?? If you don't even remember who I am, its The Wikimon... Returning from facing the infamous portal called 'exam 101'... So how's Wikipedia faring nowadays..?? Check out my edits and let me know if I'm on the right track and I need to learn some good codes and wikimarkup to get my user page, talk page and stuff up-to-date... See ya then! The Wikimon (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good to know, - look above and see why I was also away, just in the process of catching up, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thank you for sending me the sapphire for fighting with love! I really appreciate that and all your help with Josiah Gregg who finally made it to the front page of DYK last night! I learned so much during this DYK nomination; the last four were almost too easy, but they were for articles I wrote from nothing to finished. This one got in trouble I think because of the old editor having issues with some other editors ... fortunately all past now. I think I will go back to editing California State Senate districts, rearranging Commons photos, or something in the shadows for a while. I have a couple of other articles to start that are already in lists of museums and lists of historic buildings, but there is so little published secondary material about things in Humboldt County, California that it is difficult to get more than a stub. Again thank you for the award, it really cheered me up this morning! I thank you again for all your help with our troublesome explorer who may or may not have fallen from a horse (or a mule) before or after his demise. The "Mad River" was most appropriately named I think. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks ;) Do you know the photographer of the Yogo sapphire? He's working on Montana, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I don't know User:Montanabw yet, he seems like a very nice person! I am mostly working on far northwestern California which is that bump that sticks out in the Pacific Ocean because of the Mendocino Triple Junction. It is a very wild area with steep mountains and many rivers - much like the part of Montana that the sapphires are from, but of lower coastal elevation! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Two authors mainly worked on the sapphire (a great example of teamwork, look at the history), PumpkinSky took the photo - the model for my award. I think its not a secret that both are my friends ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Thank you so much for the message of human support on my talk page and the beautiful precious stone you gave me there. A person's Infobox is a very common feature in most WP pages I know. It is almost a basic feature of historic person's pages on WP. I don't understant the opposition to it on the Handel page. It should be trivial IMO. In any case, thanks again. It is nice to start to follow the work of another awesome Wikpedian more closely. Keep up the great work you do here! warshytalk 18:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Talk:George Frideric Handel Gerda, see my comment there. Please do not make proposals which misleadingly state that I "suggest" adding these types of infoboxes to composer articles. I do not. I merely considered a "mini-infobox" the lesser of two evils at Bach and I certainly do not suggest adding a box of any kind to Handel. I also think it very inappropriate for you to try to add extra weight to your arguments by describing me as "a leading voice of project opera". No one there is a "leading voice". Voceditenore (talk) 07:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I misunderstood. Which phrase would you use to describe what I think you know that I mean, the one who organises, takes care of questions, archives - you ARE the project for me. - We are not talking about "adding" a box to Handel, he has a box right now, a box for those who relate to Bach and Scarlatti. I speak for those who never heard Handel's name, and I don't think they should be sent to Simple English Wikipedia. (I like that you work there!.) - A friend died. - I wrote He was despised in 2011, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] You shouldn't use any phrase. It's inappropriate to try to add extra weight to your argument by singling out another editor as having some special "authority", even more so when you have mis-characterized their views. Proposals should be rejected or accepted on their own merits, not on the alleged status of any of the participants in the discussion. Voceditenore (talk) 07:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for explaining. (I didn't mean to use a phrase again in a discussion, only to understand how to describe the great work you do for opera. I never meant "status", only description.) - Did you read the post above? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Please see also how an infobox can be turned into knowledge in other languages, for example a bird, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, I have read and examined the various claims made for infoboxes (numerous times), many of them highly exaggerated and misleading, especially the one you're using here. In the conversation you pointed to above, the editor said that the Swedish article on the Blue-winged Pitta was generated by robots using several databases, no doubt the same databases used to populate the infobox on English Wikipedia. I would add that neither Handel nor Bach are birds, and that Wikipedia articles already exist on them in nearly 100 languages and dialects. On the general subject, you might also find this alternative view interesting reading. Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, yes, I find it interesting, also this point of view. I was "converted" by a simple statement, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Berthold Possemeyer Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yunshui 雲‍水 10:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A barnstar for you! The Editor's Barnstar Thought you deserve at least this much for all the help and support you gave me, right from my very first moment, oh and by the way I'm Back in action!!! Thanks once again for all Everything! The Wikimon (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, feels good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] You don't seem too pleased to see me back... Anyways, Wikipedia servers must be working over time. I'm am unable to keep a page open for even a minute before reloading it. Nothing is opening quickly, links are slow and its pissing me off. Are you suffering from the same problem??? Its a real fist clenching anger!!! The Wikimon (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry to disappoint you. Look at my talk: I rarely use an exclamation mark, you got one! Read further, I miss friends, dead or gone, I have arguments with people I respect ... - No, loading is normal, normally slow, that is. - I get ready for Good Friday, and hope for Easter (we celebrate Monday also), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry My bad regarding Washington Harbour, was about to change it back, but you beat me to it. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) No problem, happy that we agree ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, we do agree. I simply "jumped the gun" because I prefer British spellings concerning issues dealing with the Commonwealth and American spellings when dealing with American ones. However, the development uses a British spelling. Should have checked that out first. Btw, we also agree on " Der fliegende Holländer" as being the proper title for that article. Sorry I missed out on that discussion. After a few months it needs to be revisited and be changed to "Der fliegende Holländer" (The Flying Dutchman), rather than the other way around. Best wishes. Dr. Dan (talk ) Thank you! Wagner's birthday is 22 May. Have a look if we also agree on at least a mini-infobox for Handel ;) (link above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Some cookies! Here's a plate full of cookies to share! Hi Gerda Arendt/2013, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! The Wikimon (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] May I save them for Easter? No sweets during Lent ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Writer's Barnstar This is for your continuing work on the Bach Cantatas, in particular Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22 which I just chose as this month's Christian art in the Icthus Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 01:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I feel honoured, and encouraged to tackle the St Matthew Passion and the Mass in B minor as long term goals, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Talkback Hello, Gerda Arendt. You have new messages at The Wikimon's talk page. Message added 02:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply] My very first talkback. My reply on EE... The Wikimon (talk) 02:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] It worked nicely. Do it only if needed, please, I am watching where I post ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Martin Lattke DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Update I've created {{ WP:FOUR) 09:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Sorry to hear how frustrated you are, but look at "my" infoboxes, I sort of understand ;) - I think a good composer navbox + a short infobox would make a fine pair, but we will have to be patient, please don't give up to soon. (I predicted that a composer would have an infobox by 2020, - he has it now.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Moving away from composers, I just drafted a new batch: {{ WP:FOUR) 15:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013 ICHTHUS April 2013 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it. From the Editor We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March. 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Ichthus is the newsletter of Christianity on Wikipedia • It is published by here EdwardsBot (talk) 12:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] L'arpa festante on German Wikipedia Hi Gerda, I saw you moved it on the German Wikipedia to de:L’arpa festante. I tried to change the capitalisation inside that article to lower-case "a", but it was reverted [7], something to do with the form of the apostrophe I used (I think), but is there also some reason to keep their name as "L'Arpa festante" with an "A" in the actual text of the article when it no longer matches the title? Voceditenore (talk) 13:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry that I went over all other articles but not their own ;) - I tried again to change there, also tried to change Wikidata, watching both, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] AfC Hi Gerda, I've put up EE for AfC. Just wanted you to know. Cheers... The Wikimon (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great! Never used that, a new experience. - I just re-decorated above, did you see? (showing the church where we sang today) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Mass No. 1 (Schubert) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'll do the church once Holzhausenschlösschen has been checked!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Lichtental Church, Mass No.3?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Bit of a Schubertfest on the Main Page lately - No 6 is in DYK right now! Thanks for your support and encouragement :) ~ Riana ⁂ 09:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sheer pleasure! so was the sparrow, on the concert master's birthday, we sang a canon for her, a lovely Japanese woman, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Mark Passion Enjoyed reading the page. Well done. I told you a long time before that I was far more taken with the Matthew than John passion; thats changed in the last year. Ceoil (talk) 17:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, it's on my mind to expand them, beyond St Matthew Passion structure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] Easter music Great choices! :) We did the Palestrina Sicut cervus too, and K. 194, and... a bunch of Anglican stuff that I don't remember :P ~ Riana ⁂ 06:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I am so grateful to my conductors! the orchestra), one hour later in the service. The others were last night, + smaller works. Happy Easter, to everyone reading this! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ] "Kommt, eilet und laufet". Frohe Ostern, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] thanks for coming! (to another article with an infobox) - to you, too! DYK for St. Peter und Paul, Weimar DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply] IP block exempt I have granted your account an full blocks affecting your IP address when you are logged in. Please read the page IP block exemption conditions . Note in particular that you are not permitted to use this newly-granted right to edit Wikipedia via anonymous proxies, or disruptively. If you do, or there is a serious concern of abuse, then the right may be removed by any administrator. Appropriate usage and compliance with the policy may be checked periodically, due to the nature of block exemption, and block exemption will be removed when no longer needed (for example, when the block it is related to expires). I hope this will enhance your editing, and allow you to edit successfully and without disruption. Dianna (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] ANI Notice Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jusdafax 05:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Your first, my first, responded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] When articles for individual performers, individual works, and even individual albums, can all have an infobox, I am still quite amazed that the article for a composer (and musician) as monumental as J. S. Bach should not be deemed worthy of an infobox. Is the argument that they "all look just the same"? Or is it just that he's so imporatnt that he transcends such mundane trivia? Regards, Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] It's not Bach, it's an almost religious belief that "boxing" people is trivialising them, since 2005, look. I am sad that several good editors lost patience, last GFHandel, you know who before, - but my first barnstar was for resilience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Jörg Faerber DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda Arendt User Education Programme Request (Official) OK I'll bite, having read about the Sparrow Mass - whom do you rate for Mozart Mass performances? I'm kind of tempted by a Concentus Musicus Wien set (a billion hours of music for thirty quid; update: holy moley, just £25 on Amazon!!), but only from my usual position of profound ignorance, whereas a recommendation from a knowledgeable friend would be most welcome. :) (Stalkers, this means you too...) Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Believe me or not, I sang several of his masses, Sparrow just now for Easter, but never listened to a recording. Harnoncourt is certainly fine, being a distant relative ;) - Before becoming that, his opening of the Mass in B minor (on radio) changed my world, - one of few moments in my life I remember vividly, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! I am delighted that you endorse my choice - which is downloading as I write! I can't wait to get stuck into this. :) Yes ... I remember playing in the B Minor Mass for the first time - not so much the flashy bits (which are also wonderful, yes) but the Gratias Agimus Tibi (and its close friend the DNP) which absolutely blew my socks off - I was about 15 or something and I don't think I knew that trumpet music could sound like that. Cheers! DBaK (talk) 13:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Another of those unforgettable moments: singing that Dona nobis pacem in Bedford on the day before the ultimatum on the Iraq war, 16 March 2003, with a drummer playing to be heard in Washington DC, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Powerful stuff!! DBaK (talk) 14:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Norse history and culture Very belated thanks for your kind words on my talk page here. I rarely edit anymore so I did not see your message when you posted it. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for coming over. We keep a sad list of some missed users, I am always happy to notice little signs of life ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Mass No. 4 (Schubert) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Mass No. 3 (Schubert) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] The whole "infoboxes for classical music composers and works" thing Καλό Πάσχα, Gerda! I do think articles for composers and their works should have here . Listening to Glenn Gould's 1981 recording of the Goldberg Variations right now, and wishing the whole mess hadn't happened. Ma è la via del mondo. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I was told it went on since 2005, - at least it was told well: Did you know that L'infobox infernale (The Hellish Infobox), an opera semiseria in 25 acts, is the longest running opera ever staged on Wikipedia? - A look at the proposed {{Infobox opera}}, especially its sample, is a good way to cheer up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] The infobox saga seems more like a soap opera some days! LOL!  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 16:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Matthias Eisenberg Started.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! - in the process of getting the Schubertkirche ready for DYK, more refs welcome, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] First round of translation done, please find sources, the only one from de is dead, good luck ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Miss Calypso DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:32, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Holzhausenschlösschen I'm not quite sure I'm understanding this: "The Holzhausen family, one of the most important families of the free imperial city Frankfurt from 1245 ...". Is that saying that in 1245, for whatever reason, the Holzhausen family joined the ranks of Frankfurt's most important families? Or is it saying that Frankfurt became a free imperial city in 1245? It's the mention of that very specific year that's puzzling; in 1245 something happened that resulted in the Holzhausen family becoming one of the most important in Frankfurt? Fatuorum 10:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] We should probably untangle an overly long sentence. The source says "Von 1245-1923 gehörte sie zu den angesehensten Familien Frankfurts.", [the family] belonged to the most respected (?) families of Frankfurt. Frankfurt was a Freie Reichsstadt (without nobility) before. The fact about the builder trying to imitate the lifestyle of nobility is - unfortunately - in none of the online sources, the de-author will have gotten it from one of the books. The year doesn't have to be mentioned if the period can be described well. - Thanks for looking, I am uneasy about architecture terms! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I can hardly tell my Fatuorum 11:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Nicely put. I am not sure about garbed roofs and such. Should I ask Giano, although it seems not palacy enough, compared to his? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's well worth asking Giano, I've always found him to be very helpful. I'm not at all sure about that Mansard roof for instance, doesn't look like what I'd call a Mansard roof ... Fatuorum 12:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] One needs a long course in architecture to understand half the articles with architectural references on here. The average Listed Building articles is written in gobbledygook.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Only semi-gobbledygook. It's the maths articles that make full use of gobbledygook. Fatuorum 12:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] True.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I just learned the term here, with a link! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you If everyone followed your example this would be a much finer community, and we wouldn't have the problem with editor retention we do. But anyway -- just wanted to say thanks. Please continue! Antandrus (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, blushing again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] A favour... So can you please help improve EE??? Is there something I can do??? The Wikimon (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Leaving just now, later, - please ask people who know business if you haven't done so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Back - I looked, it's a good review, go ahead and deal with the points raised, interact with the reviewer, - promising! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Question Regarding this: it could be so simple, if that were all there was to it. Is that a deal you'd like to make? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Are there deals in cloud cuckoo land? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Better than deals in the great dismal swamp. You want it simple, it can be simple for you. Your choice. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] dismal peace music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Peace can't be had from one side only, Gerda. Please stop. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Stop what? Loving Bach? Trying to understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You can love whatever you like, but you're pushing too hard - others don't have to feel as you do. You're not in "cloud cuckoo land", you understand more than that. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry if pushing is perceived where I am passionate, pushing is not intended, passion can't be stopped ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] pot-kettle? .. IJS ladies. :) — Ched :  ?  10:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nunc dimittis Thank you for the kind message, miser Catulle. I am still here from time to time, but I am busier in real life than I was. Moonraker (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Bach Thank you for your note; I will try to clarify. My meaning was that infoboxes often do more harm than good, so the article is better without one. There are many ways that an infobox may oversimplify biographical details and mislead readers, as described by myself and several other editors on the Bach talk page. The Michelangelo infobox you asked me about is a good example: a reader learns little, and may be badly confused and misinformed. Here is a list of everything that is in the infobox: The name of the article (useless repetition, because the reader already knows this) An image (good, but an image does not need an infobox) Birth name (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede) Date of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede) Place of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence below the TOC) Date of death (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede) Place of death (not in the lede, but easy to find; I took a guess and clicked section 1.6 in the TOC "Last works in Rome" and there it was. I think learning how to use a TOC is a useful skill which should be encouraged, and if necessary we could make it even easier for readers by creating section 16.1 "Death") Field (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede) Training (not very helpful, and misleading; the reader cannot know whether Ghirlandaio trained Michelangelo in sculpture, poetry, architecture, painting (or all of these) without reading the article, and the reader needs to read the article to know that Michelangelo studied sculpture under Bertoldo di Giovanni) Movement (useless repetition, because Renaissance man are in the first 2 sentences of the lede, and High Renaissance is in the last sentence of the lede) Works (misleading; four works are listed; the reader who reads the infobox and not the lede may think Michelangelo produced only four works. One of the four works (The Creation of Adam) is actually part of another one (Sistine Chapel Ceiling), but the infobox makes it appear that they are separate.) I will not repeat this time-consuming exercise for the Kafka infobox, but I hope this makes my objections more clear. It saddens me to think that "some readers will read the infobox only", although I believe you are correct in this statement. It is a good reason not to put an infobox in an article, because the reader who spends 20 seconds to read the first few sentences of the article will be so much better informed than the unfortunate person who looks at the infobox and imagines that the key facts are there. I think that an image with a caption, as now appears at the top of the Bach article, is best, so no need for any infobox. I looked at the first category of biographical articles at booking photograph appeals to me)... Surprisingly, some competitive activities where one would think infoboxes would be useful, like chess, are not very suitable to infobox presentation. For examples of how little an infobox adds that is not already in the lede, see José Raúl Capablanca and Tigran Petrosian . Editors appear to be leaving Wikipedia because of this rather silly battle. Even your politely-worded suggestion on a talk page ignited a long and rancorous argument among many editors, and of course there was no consensus, so this was not a good use of anybody's time. I do not plan to initiate a campaign to remove the infobox from the Michelangelo article, even though I believe that this would be an improvement. There are better ways to improve Wikipedia. Ewulp (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for your detailed thoughts. Whatever you say about repetition does not reflect that an infobox should NOT add content, only structure it, to my understanding. No box can do justice to artistic creativity, but the same is true for any words. (I said so on Bach.) I was asked above to stop. Stop ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] PumpkinSky Prize Thanks. Why 5 October 2010? Currently I am not very active (sometimes 100 edits in one moth). Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You were named Awesome Wikipedian first that day (look at the link), then 6 April 2012 ;) - I look for more than a moment, some haven't contributed for a long time, but left something precious in the past, and so many different things, it's amazing - and a good reason not to give up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Such a wonderful editor, all of those Codex articles are superb!! Miss you being as active Janczuk.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hey Les!! Nice to see you. Hope all is well in RL. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:06, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Started Karlheinz Oswald.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Max von Widnmann DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Allen3 talk 17:25, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Talkback Hello, Gerda Arendt. You have new messages at The Wikimon's talk page. Message added 15:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply] Please share your views... The Wikimon (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Orchestral Suites (Bach) The article describes the 4 suites as a set, which is supported by the consecutive opus numbers. Further, Orchestral Suites is in title case, both in the article's title and in the first line of the lead. If Orchestral Suites were not the title of the set (i.e., if the term was merely descriptive), the article's title would be Orchestral suites (Bach) and the first mention would be orchestral suites (all lower case). Since Orchestral Suites is used as a title, the scope of the collection dictates italic rather than quotation marks.—Finell 01:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] We talk about Piano sonatas (Beethoven). (Quotation marks?) I will copy this to the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Retention and return team Soliloquies I just saw you congratulate Khazar. Which made me realize you may be the perfect person to ask for assistence. Just this morning I started a Page. Its just an idea I had in hopes of slowing down the number of retirees. If you know of some soliloques I could cut.n.paste and collect at that page, I would appreciate it. Ive coined a phrase that I love to share with the EotW recepients. It descibes you to a tea.....You are the Heartbeat of Wikipedia. Thanks for all you do for the Wikipedia Community. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You can use an equisite one by that exact Khazar, should appear on top of my missed users, with the recent GFHandel which hurts a lot (he left after speaking for me, DYK?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks Hi Gerda. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Over the past few days, I've been finding out that, like many things, editing Wikipedia requires constant practice. We (ok, mostly you) created a lot of composer articles for the Munich Biennale, and now I have to work hard to remember everything that needs done. Let's see how I get on with creating Nikolay Strelnikov ... Scarabocchio (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Excellent! Content, content, content - don't like ANI, - der Himmel lacht --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Many thanks...... ....for your kind words as well as the "Award", received with thanks. I certainly enjoy your daily updates on the DYK section of the WP Opera page. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Santa Fe, where we have a little opera company that has survived for 57 years or so.....Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Gerda, thank you for the beauty you left on my page and the kind comments. I do love blue stones more than any other. And thank you for spreading kindness on Wikipedia. Some days its really needed.(Somehow I missed your post on may page until now.)(olive (talk) 03:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC))[reply] Thanks! Thanks for the Award you left on my talk page. I greatly appreciate it. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thomas Gabriel (composer) Voila.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 08:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] thank you, see also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Der Herr ist mein getreuer Hirt, BWV 112 DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Holzhausenschlösschen DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Elizabeth Llewellyn Thought you might be interested in this blossoming opera soprano. I have seldom seen so many enthusiastic reviews. Pity she hasn't yet moved beyond the ENO.--Ipigott (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am, thank you! Please say something about her art in the lead, not only success;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] "Gesagt, gemacht" (as one of my Austrian bridge partners used to say)!--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] whereas we say "gesagt, getan". Can I interest you in Karlheinz Oswald, still showing remnants of translation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] BWV4 Hi. Sorry about the movement list. I took the designations from the PDF that comes with the Bachacademie CDs, but you're right, just listing them as versus is less misleading. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 19:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like your help a lot! - BWV 4 was one I expanded, and didn't notice until now that the voice parts were missing in the structure. I would abbreviate them, as Dürr does, but the discussion (2010?) in Classical music was against it. - Working on BWV 103, also an expansion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Discussion at Template:Bullying You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, not my music, it's absent friend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Oh that's all right. I really hate to see good editors (such as myself, having done 10 good articles and over 10 featured articles) leave the project. My music is And did those feet in ancient times, also for Dreadstar. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] See impact, if you can (and I thought I could archive it) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] speaking of impact, see also: balls or "Pumpkin in the sky with diamonds", 18 April 2012, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks. You're such a sweetheart. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] By the way, is it possible to work on the Frederic Chopin article or the Benjamin Britten article? And before I go, do note that I have an exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I have the beloved composers on my watchlist, guess I need a translation for your tolerance issue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I don't know, having been involved with the project over 6 years, over 50,000 edits and have had at least a few successful GANs (without all of the Wiki-drama) and at least 6 successful FA nominations but guess what: it seems that Dreadstar is back! Meanwhile, I am working on Benjamin Britten in my sandbox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am happy that Dreadstar cut his "vacation" short ;) - I still don't know what you mean by "exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute", regarding me. I am in several disputes, see Classical music or Bach ;) - A piece by Britten is on the to do list on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Lichtental Church DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Karlheinz Oswald nominate ) 08:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC) Karlheinz Oswald "Germany" did not exist in 1958; the country where Worms was located was called West Germany. GiantSnowman 11:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Germany didn't exist when I was born, I would still simply say Germany, unless it needs to be specified. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] "Germany didn't exist when I was born" has no bearing on the matter. When Oswald was born, the name of the country was "West Germany." Saying "Germany" is factually incorrect, it's like saying Julius Caesar was Italian. GiantSnowman 12:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You example doesn't fit. Italy wasn't split then re-united. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Er yes it was. GiantSnowman 12:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Did I have to be specific about Caesar's time, which was your example? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You argue for the country of birth in an infobox. Then please add the country of birth, not its common name for it. "West Germany" is no country. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You said, and I quote, "Italy wasn't split then re-united." It was. 0% of your statement was true. Oh, and West Germany clearly was a country. I am seriously baffled by your attitude here. GiantSnowman 13:01, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I read the article on West Germany, it says it's the common name for the "Federal Rebublic ..." - how can you say it's a country? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I looked again, don't find "West Germany" in the infobox of that article, - why should t be in others? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You've been here long enough to know that by now - are you simply trolling, or are you genuinely that ignorant? GiantSnowman 13:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Call me ignorant when I am learning ;) - Music has no nationality, project Classical music doesn't like infoboxes, I am new to the topic. - I still believe that a major city with a link doesn't need any country attached, but will find out elsewhere, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Aha, explains a lot :) - there is MOS out there on it, I am about to log of for an hour or so but will have a look when I am back. GiantSnowman 13:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] FWIW from an American perspective - in the late 50s and into the 60s when I was growing up, we didn't consider it two "separate" countries so much as one "divided" country. I suppose in some ways Korea would be a more similar situation, although there's differences there as well. — Ched :  ?  12:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda a troll? GiantSnowman I'm afraid you've been out in the sun too long causing melting. Go refrigerate yourself.. Should we begin to change all of the categories, Werner Herzog is an East German film director?? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, you're drifting away from the discussion and into personal attacks, a sure sign that you have run out of arguments. Germany was whole, then it was divided, now it's whole again. End of story. Don't invoke India & Pakistan, that's an entirely different situation as well. Move on. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 13:48, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Do you have real doctorate Doctor Joe like myself? Imposter you. Giant Snowman is well aware of my ongoing "go melt" joke when things come to a head and knows it is intended in a light-hearted fashion, and we are on good terms, even if we don't always see eye to eye on some things. The irony is that you have a humour template on your user page Dr. Joe and unintentionally have just acted like the very "serious" wikipedians you're talking the mickey out of!! To be politically correct, West Germany yes, but most people refer to it as Germany as the Soviet Union they refer to as Russia. Sources added Gerda as required.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Actually, I was referring to Snowman calling Gerda a troll, and understood your attempt at levity. Apologies for interfering in your fun; I like humor as much as the next guy, but silly me, I thought we were trying to write an encyclopedia here. "Are you simply trolling, or are you genuinely that ignorant?" is an ad hominem, not funny -- and not, I suspect, an attempt at being funny -- and not constructive in the context of a supposedly academic discussion. Congratulations on your doctorate. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 14:50, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Saying West Germany was not a country - what else can it be, other than trolling or ignorance? GiantSnowman 14:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are entitled to your opinion that she is ignorant; but telling her so is neither going to decrease her alleged ignorance nor improve your ability to communicate with her. Read WP:CIVIL. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Being ignorant of something is not necessarily a bad thing - and I am ignorant about far too much. Gerda above even says "Call me ignorant when I am learning ;)" The only one who has been offended here is you, maybe that tells you something? GiantSnowman 15:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It tells me that Gerda deflects ad hominems very skillfully, and that you haven't learned anything about civil conduct around here, but that's okay. I was just hoping to direct traffic back to the topic, since we're supposed to be writing an encyclopedia, not calling each other names. But I see that I've accomplished the opposite of what I intended and you're even further off topic, so my apologies, I should not have butted in. Forget that I was ever here. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You have taken us off topic; I am very much on topic. Look at the diff of the edit just before yours - it's little old me, pointing to MOS that supports my view. I'm also the only one to have commented on the article talk page - funny that. GiantSnowman 16:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] smile, doctores ;) - look who is addressed where, and don't confuse the above about Karlheinz Oswald, still on the Main page, with Matthias Eisenberg, neglected over this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, don't worry Doktor, I haven't actually melted - British spring is very disappointing this year ;) GiantSnowman 14:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It might help GiantSnowman's understanding of history to ponder why the article West Germany doesn't have an interwiki link to a corresponding article on the German Wikipedia. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It might help Michael Bednarek's understanding of Wikipedia to ponder that we are talking about the English Wikipedia, not the German Wikipedia. GiantSnowman 14:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yeah still chilly times this April, should keep you nice and solid LOL. I thought you were brandishing the civility stick fellow Dr., apologies for questioning your sense of humour. Well, we do use West German and East German films as categories but I don't think I've seen it applied to articles on actors. You do see it for athletes though. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's on 99% of footballer articles - and ideally the other 1% are just wrong ;) GiantSnowman 15:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It makes sort of (political) sense, because they performed for one or the other political part. For this artist, I still think it makes no sense to speak of the politics at the time of his birth which didn't influence his work. KISS, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] MOS - "Many place names have a historical context that should be preserved." GiantSnowman 15:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Worms had many places in history. What would "West" add to "Germany" in this case, for the reader? "West" is a point of view, if you ask me, there is no "West" in "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" or its translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] The official name might have been "Bundesrepublik Deutschland", the English-[{WP:COMMONNAME]] (which is what we use on Wikipedia!) is "West Germany". In 1958, no country called "Germany" - or, some would argue, two did. Therefore having "West Germany" over "Germany" is factually accurate, is it not? GiantSnowman 16:57, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] No answer to the question: how does "West" help the reader? I would think that a simple "Germany" is even more "common". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] The article doesn't say that he was born in Germany, it says that he is German. Is there some doubt about that in your mind GiantSnowman? Fatuorum 17:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Ah, you're talking about the infobox. Those damn things are far more trouble than they're worth. Fatuorum 17:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] It is factually inaccurate to say plain ol' "Germany" - that is harming the reader by giving out false information. GiantSnowman 17:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] My POV: "West Germany" is not accurate, "Germany" is not, - let's keep it simple: Germany. No more here, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Fine then - to WP:DR we go. You've contradicted yourself btw. GiantSnowman 17:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] You have a curious understanding of the meaning of the word "harm" GiantSnowman, and apparently too much time on your hands if you're so animated about Germany/West Germany. It isn't "false information" to say that Worms is in Germany, but rather than have another of these interminable arguments about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin why don't we just say "Worms, Federal Republic of Germany" in the infobox? Or better still, get rid of the infobox? Fatuorum 17:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A perfectly reasonable compromise - though of course the article on the "Federal Republic of Germany" is... West Germany! GiantSnowman 17:45, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Only because that was the name we used in the West, not because it was the official name of the country. Fatuorum 17:51, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Blame WP:COMMONNAME, not me. GiantSnowman 18:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] It would not be the first time that I blame common name, it's sometimes all too common. Talking a bit of logic: is there any doubt that "West Germany" still is "Germany". We want to know where a place is, right, not politics at birth. They might be interesting for someone whose biography was shaped by east-west-conflict, not this one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, Gerda, Gerda, this an argument that rages all over Wikipedia, even at the level of English counties. Was Fatuorum 19:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] MF - my precise argument. We must represent the historical birth place. That is determined by MOS and common sense. GiantSnowman 19:30, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] (ec) I have some talent to hit the raging arguments (Moonlight Sonata, Infobox, Der fliegende Holländer) ;) - thanks for your compromise, I can live with that. - It's a bit tricky for me to accept that West Germany seems to mean more here than a geographical term, - and for a political term it's just not precise enough. If some day I feel there is too little torture in this place I will start a move request, DYK? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] This has got to be the lamest discussion I've seen in at least the last two days (wikipedia being full of lame discussions). He was born in Worms, which today is in Germany. No one disputes where he was born. Just link to the city and be done with it. Montanabw(talk) 19:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] bzzt: that's where we started, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] "bzzt"? ... Ahhh ...the memories that come to mind. :) — Ched :  ?  20:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] "you are strongly requested not to use uncollegial shorthand such as "bzzt" ... as edit summaries" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Started Heinz Hemrich.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Zeichenstaub DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Darmstädter Sezession.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103 Gerda, I just took at look at this when I saw it in Prep 2 and realized there was something not quite right grammatically. I did make a change, but I discovered that PumpkinSky's review and promotion all in one (which really should not be done) was incomplete: this is not quite a 5x expansion. It's close—1004 prose characters before to 4893 after—so that if you'll add another 127 characters today to get it to the magic 5020 it will be set and we can leave it where it is so it can run on April 22 (not a Sunday, but the anniversary date). BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I will expand a bit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] See the edit summary. It was time sensitive. IAR.PumpkinSky talk 20:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I expanded it by teh rulez in time. Will have to understand some day why a new 1,5k article is good enough for DYK but +4k is not, only because there was a stub that was barely useful to start with, not much of it remained, - next will be GA, after all the expnsion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, Gerda. It looks great. Best of luck at GAN! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thankyou Thanks for your kind note on my talk page, most unexpected. It's great to receive feedback from others - it helps to remind us that this is a collaborative effort, even if it doesn't feel like it sometimes! I am sure your initiative has helped to retain numerous editors and you should be commended for your continuing good work in this field. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 17:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Martin Krumbiegel.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:45, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Vilde Frang, thanks!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you again, but before the next one, please source the former ;) No interwiki links please, add to Wikidata. Vilde Frang played the concerto by Sibelius in the Tonhalle, and just the other day she was on radio with Korngold, live from Philharmonie (Cologne)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] If I have to fiddle about with wikidata there might not be a next one..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] OK, I'll do Wikidata, you just leave the "translated" template on the talk. That needs to be there anyway, while it's an extra step to remove the old-fashioned link ;) (fiddle was a nice wording for a violinist!) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Stating translated from German wikipedia in the edit summary is OK for attribution, but yes articles should really have translation templates in the talk pages.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I added them to all articles we recently did - a lot! (Edit summary is only for insiders.) - I added the Wikidata for her to eight or so other languages, it's as easy as going to Wikidata, enter the article title in the search function, find a record, and add the new language, just "en" and the title, eeeeasy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Go ahead, source "her", need to go, - there are plenty of prizes, recordings and sources (I added 2 to ext links), - great DYK potential! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Berthold Possemeyer DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103 nominate ) 00:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC) Und Gerda hat ein ander! PumpkinSky talk 02:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] FYI I have opened up a program similar to the one you are operating at AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for letting me know. Best news is that I can move you on our sad list (again)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] No problem. I appreciate the work you do and look forward to working along side you now. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I like yours! In your introduction, you may mention that it wasn't my idea, I copied User:Gerda Arendt/PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I have made a small change to reflect that. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] WP:RBN Spending a few days away from wikipedia it is easy to lose track of what is going on. I've set up a base for myself, Rosie and Nvv to organize our work from at Wikipedia:Rosblofnari. I hope you don't mind but I've added a section for yourself to list articles which have been expanded. I just think its a better way of organizing our collaborations without having to notify everybody and dig through talk pages. If you'd rather me just let you know on your talk page let me know, but I'd be grateful if you could use the page to list the DYKs on so I know what you've nominated and can keep track of it, and you can also list articles there between us which (needs more sources), I just think it's best overall to keep track of it. If you put it on your watchlist you can view ones I've translated needing proofing etc♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Well, a list of "my" articles, most of them with you, is on my user (following the example of BarkingMoon), - feel free to copy parts of it to your place. I try to keep the list up to date, also try to list DYK noms on the articles' talk, I try ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] In the list, "nom" means nominated for DYK, "DYK" means approved, a link there takes you to the archive, and a date without link means it was mentioned with a bolded article that date, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I will from now on mention red links I would like to turn blue there, not on your talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, OK, but naturally we'll still chat and I'll alert you here of translations!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] St. Lamberti, Hildesheim♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] thank you!, will nominate that, Krumbiegel and Frang. If you want Darmstadt Sezession, do it, not much missing, but I don't have the time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Matthias Eisenberg Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] It doesn't really belong to Template:Did you know nominations/Matthias Eisenberg: I may have a language problem. It is unusual that a Protestant Church musician and a Jewish Israeli (mostly) Klezmer clarinetist play together, because their culture is different and their approach to music is different. Why do you think of hate? I think of peace. I heard them, that concert and others - they succeed making a statement for peace! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Let me be clear on this: I'm not accusing you of racism or antisemitism! My problem was that the particular Eisenberg hook could be seen as accusing Germany or Israel of racism. By claiming it's unusual for a German and an Israeli to perform together, you could be seen to be implying that Germans and Israelis normally try to avoid each other like the plague. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 15:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] But I didn't. I said it's unusual for a Protestant German church musician and a Jewish Israeli Klezmer clarinetist to play together, for difference of culture. To see that reduced to anything about race, is beyond my understanding. Protestant and Jewish are terms of religion not race, German and Israeli are nationalities not race. - Next time: I watch my nominations, no need for a "problem" template here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Look, I'm sorry if I offended you yesterday, because that was never the point of it all. All I was trying to do was keeping the main page clear of implied accusations. I follow WP:AGF and have never for a second doubted your good intentions. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Look, you didn't offend me. I just wasn't happy to see your "implied accusations" (that I still can't quite follow) worded so strongly. - I like to make known (DYK) that musicians play together, wherever they come from. - I will not avoid you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Adrian Boult Thank you for that link, Gerda. I was also pleased to see my beloved Arthur Sullivan at the top of the list. Tim riley (talk) 17:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I hope you not too disappointed to realise that the list is by year of birth ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sometimes no is the best answer. I saw your question to user:The Interior. I am happy to tell you that no is the answer.[8] I had noticed this edit in relative real time and was very quick to respond.[9] I started to email you and ask that you post a message; actually writing the email. But I didn't send it because I didn't want to orchestrate sincerity. I am so very glad to see that you arrived on your own, and even more delighted to see that you had already made a day precious in this user's name; for clearly they are. Just as you are still awesome. My76Strat (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] good news, yes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Love the shirt! Just got the shirt through the Merchandise Giveaway Programme. Thanks for your vote of confidence!  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Becoming! (Much better than "Mourning becomes ...") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for St. Ulrich, Vienna Gerda, I just noticed that this article is lacking inline source citations for the Location section and for the paragraph/sentence on the organ. Can you please supply them? It seems silly for it to be pulled back from the queue as long as the fixes can be made in short order. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] can't the website be the source for the location? who else would know, all other sources can only take it from there? - I need to go for several hours now. If there's no other help, please comment it out. perhaps ask Dr. Blofeld, I more or less only copy-edited, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, if we comment out that much information, the article doesn't qualify for minimum length. Doing a quick Google translate of the church's webpage in that citation, I don't see any material that covers the location wording. I don't have time myself to search through the various church web pages, translating as I go. As it's your nomination, I'll let you take it from here when you get back, whether that involves find the right source pages or asking Dr. Blofeld. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I did what I could, would appreciate a bit of AGF to the German Wikipedia for what is still missing. - The source will be in the literature, but I don't have it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, that's great. Everything's set. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Cornflower Blue Sapphire Thank you noticing my work. DavidinNJ (talk) 12:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] not easy to overlook it, on top of the Main page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for St. Ulrich, Vienna DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Looks good! Started Spandauer Kirchenmusikschule.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] thank you, several more red links;) - Looks: I thought St. Severin, Keitum looked good with a little infobox that tells you "Lutheran" simply by colour. Sure, it could be expanded, I only said "start" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] would this be usable as a source? - infobox returned, please feel free to add to it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I think it's a mirror source.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's called a Taschenbuch (pocket book), looks like more than a mirror, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Thomas Gabriel (composer) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013) Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] First ever Wiki Angel Award The Wiki Angel Award Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.PumpkinSky talk 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — Ched :  ?  18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! It means a lot to me. StAnselm (talk) 07:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Hi Gerda, thank you for the lovely sapphire and awesome Wikipedian award. I really do appreciate it. It is nice to have one's efforts noticed. Keep up the good work on improving our coverage of Bach, buildings and musical people (including Vilde!). Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] I heard her playing Sibelius in the Tonhalle, a revelation! - was tempted to ask DYK ... that Norwegian violinist VF played the concerto by Finnish JS in the Swiss Tonhalle with a German orchestra conducted by their Japanese-American chief conductor? - Just today I translated to German a professor who teaches in Switzerland and Norway. You could probably translate that, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Translate Bernhard M. Hämmerli? To Norwegian? Manxruler (talk) 20:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] If you like - a stub will do - I took the picture ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nice picture. I'm afraid I never do any work over at Norwegian Wikipedia, so sorry about that. Manxruler (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] no problem - I do very little in German myself, they have too many rulez ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good, good. On my part, I find the Norwegian Wiki to be a bit lacking in rules, or even a critical attitude to information. :) Manxruler (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Can you explain the difference between no and nn? It was nn to present all Bach cantatas first, then fr, now en (but some are stubs), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sure. I'll try and explain the difference, to the best of my ability. Here we go. Norway has two official written versions of Norwegian, bokmål (no) and nynorsk (nn). Bokmål translates pretty much to "book tongue" and nynorsk to "new Norwegian". With Old Norse disappearing in late Medieval times (mostly due to the Plague killing off many literate people), Danish eventually took over (Norway being in an uneven personal union with Denmark). Over time, all written language used by Norwegian was Danish, and people spoke various dialects with varying influence by Danish. That why we can't really communicate very well with the Icelanders or Faroese people in their own language (they're the people who are closest linguistically to Old Norse today). Up until the 1880s there was no point in printing separate Riksmaal (today's bokmål) dictionaries, seeing as the written language was so close to written Danish (the words were and still are pronounced very differently in Denmark and Norway, Norwegians just don't have the ability to pronounce words the way the Danes do, we're closer to the Swedes pronunciation-wise). Even today, Norwegians can easily pick up say a Danish book and read it, even children (I read Danish history books and comics 20+ years ago when me and my family holidayed in Denmark). Anyway, in the mid-19th century a man called Ivar Aasen started collecting the various dialects of Norway, to create a new Norwegian written language, closer to how people spoke. Travelling most of the country (except the far north), he created Landsmaal (today's nynorsk), in contrast with Riksmaal. Nynorsk is most commonly used in the south-west of Norway, while bokmål dominates most of the rest of the country (it's like 10% nynorsk users and around 90% bokmål users. Everyone in Norway are taught both versions of written Norwegian, which is somewhat unpopular with many school kids (of the bokmål kind). Research shows, however, that learning two versions of Norwegian makes it easier to learn foreign languages. Up until 2006, it was the official goal of the Norwegian authorities to merge the two written languages into a single samnorsk Norwegian, but that's been dropped. Even still, reforms have brought the two written languages closer together, even since I was in school. Whenever government authorities receive a letter from someone in the public, they are bound to reply to the writer in the version of Norwegian s/he has chosen to use, which can lead to comedic situations. The languages aren't really that dissimilar, If one knows one, then understanding the other is not very problematic. For immigrants, of course, it can be a bit challenging, but so can the intense Norwegian loyalty to spoken dialects (people rarely switch dialect when speaking to people not from their area). "My" written language is bokmål, although my spoken dialect is closer to nynorsk (and although the municipality where I grew up is officially "neutral" language-wise). No-one speaks nynorsk, nor do anyone speak bokmål, they're just written languages, although some dialects are closer to the written languages than others. Wikipedia-wise, my impression is that the nynorsk version is better, as regards quality. Not sure why, but it looks that way to me. There are fewer nynorsk writers, and maybe they're more quality-oriented? Prouder, perhaps? Pure speculation on my part, of course. Easy, right? ;) Manxruler (talk) 05:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Helpful, thank you! If it's not yet in an article it should go there. - I am more active in the Norwegian wiki than you, then. I just made two edits, - what should I give as an edit summary here? - What's 14 in letters? The article speaks about closing chorale #14 and then said - until I changed now, never looked before - it's in 15 movements, - is that what you mean about quality? The complete listing of the cantata text should be dropped, but I am not bold enough to do so ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] For the fun of it, I placed a Norwegian on top here ;) - did you know about the sapphire (not "mine", I had a Bach cantata in DYK)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] You're welcome. The articles we've got on Nynorsk and Bokmål aren't the best. We'll see, it's not my usual area of editing, but we'll see. Well, 14 is "fjorten" (quite similar to Vierzehn, really). I'm of course not familiar with the Norwegian Wikipedia lingo, but I'd say something like: "Retter stavingen av flere tyske ord. Dessuten er "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor ikke en del av stykket" And I just noticed it's the nynorsk version, so the above is incorrect, correct version (according to my old nynorsk dictionary) is: 14 is fjorten. (quite similar to Vierzehn, really) I'm of course not familiar with the Nynorsk Norwegian Wikipedia lingo, but I'd say something like: "Retting av stavinga av fleire tyske ord. Dessutan er "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor" ikkje ein del av stykket"(In English: correcting the spelling of German words, besides "«Er ist keine Sprache noch Rode», Solo for tenor" is not part of the piece). That should do it. Big difference between Bokmål and Nynorsk, right? Manxruler (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Words are not enough Angel of sweet kindness Your support while I was having a rough time and then your warm welcome back upon my return are indescribably heartwarming and most welcome...thank you! Dreadstar ☥ 15:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I hope you realise that I was selfish: I wanted you to stay! I see too many who give up or find better things to do. Feel free to join my red cat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Matthias Eisenberg nominate ) 16:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC) Sir Adrian Gerda, what a pleasing note from you on my talk page! You are too kind, but I walk a little taller for that beautifully-phrased compliment. Tim riley (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Farewell I am sending this message to the users who I have closely collaborated with. I will be taking a temporary Wikibreak for at least 5-7 days to let off some steam and get myself reenergized. Some of the stress has got to me, so I think it's best if I should take a couple of days off. I also have final exams coming up as well, so I have more important things to worry about. I, however, will be here to contribute to some articles that I have worked on. Until then, farewell. With my very best and warmest regards, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply] Barnstar The Huge Heart Barnstar. For all the kindness that you show to your fellow editors, User:Keilana has said that you, Gerda, deserve this award. Thank you so much, also for taking care of all those women scientists! How many hits did your "organ"-related DYK get? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC) ps: checked myself, 15,299, congrats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC) Thoroughly deserved!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Maria Tallchief Did you want to make a decision on Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Tallchief or should I ask for a second opinion? Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Peace Concert - Ben Davies Dear Gerda, Thankyou for your remarks about the article I began on Ben Davies (something like 28 March)... His style of singing belongs to another era. I am not really functioning much at the moment but I do notice your friendly remarks! And am heartened by them. One of the singers I most enjoyed investigating was Karl Erb. Though I probably got it all wrong - I was reading from Maria Müller-Gögler's book. I wish there was a recording of him singing Pfitzner's Palestrina (opera) but we have Julius Patzak (twice I think) to make up for it. - Happy Easter/Whitsuntide. Steven. PS I expect someone else began it and I added to it... I mentioned Erb in Evangelist (Bach), thanks for letting me know! - Palestrina was shown in Frankfurt recently, that may mean 2 or 3 years ago, time flies. Did you see what we sang for Easter? (User archive 2013, link on my user) Whitsun: William Lloyd Webber Mass "Prince of peace" here on Sunday, "Veni Sancte Spiritu" by Mozart, K. 47, very ambitious for a boy, here on Monday, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are a Golden Editor! Good as gold! For all the times you have brightened someone's day by declaring them 'Precious', you are a AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, precious! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] New Gottfried Grote.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, started ce - ran into ec, will wait a bit now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, I've started Friedrich Wilhelm Rust but hidden the automated text to avoid people sniffing about at it...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Will look later, Thursday, you know. Perhaps get the DNB over (if there), that adds solidity: simply change "DNB-Portal" to "DNB Portal" and drop everything after the number, replace "Normdaten by "Authority control", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wonderful work on Friedrich Wilhelm Rust!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] You found good refs! Interesting fellow, DYK for sure ;) - If you look at some of his links, there's even more, - played welltempered from memory might be a hook, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Did you see that Nikkimaria did a lot? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I didn't no, excellent job Nikkimaria!! I've forwarded it to Rosblofnari as a collaboration.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Can you nom Friedrich Wilhelm Rust?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I think so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Can you let me know when you have or update Wikipedia:WikiProject Rosblofnari? Cheers.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Opera days Dear Gerda, If you haven't used it yet you might get a reference to May Night by R. Korsakov in about now!! Not that we are having any May nights, they feel more like February mornings. I have a fine old recording of this opera with Sergei Lemeshev, great stylist that he was. About 1950. Nothing like a drowned fairy or two to cheer up an opera. Eebahgum (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Done! - Feel free to help me, finding them and inserting yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I fear I am too lazy to engage with that aspect of wikipedia. Eebahgum (talk) 22:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] For me, that's the sweet part of the day, no conflict, no fear, free choice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Hi! How are you? Thanks for the previous award! I was not really aware of the precious award. It is a really nice gesture. Thanks a lot for thinking myself as a deserving candidate. cheers,Dwaipayan (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] No precious for me for Mother India? Check the history 2011-2 hehe! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:15, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Precious is only one per person (as long as remember, Rlevse passed "Award Wikipedian" at least once to one person twice) ;) - you got my #2 ever, be proud! A year ago was #114, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Aw, LOL OK. I wouldn't mind an emerald though, I love the colour!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] On [10] can you add Categoria:Architetture della Città del Vaticano for it (Italian) wikipedia? Doesn't work when I edit it. done, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Muchas gracias Gerda. Oh to find a more pious topic for the Vatican...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Category:Buildings and structures in Vatican City no It wiki link. I thought you said that you did it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, I tried again and got an error message (probably did the first time also and missed it). Perhaps ask on wikidata chat? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I must admit this wikidata thing is causing me a lot of problems. I had no trouble adding another link to something I did yesterday but at ties it doesn't work and I don't like having to go onto another website t sort something out. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Martin Krumbiegel Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 14:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Vilde Frang nominate ) 16:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC) DYK for Wer da gläubet und getauft wird, BWV 37 nominate ) 08:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC) DYK for Friedrich Wilhelm Rust nominate ) 08:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC) Sorrow I noticed your appreciation of Sorrow. The article was written as part of this collaboration: Wikipedia:GLAM/NAGW. We're also using QRpedia, so translation of articles into German (or other languages) would be most welcome! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I have it in the back of my mind, same for Archaeology of Kosovo, - once I need less time for straightening out the Bach composition infoboxes and once I got my promised article closer to where I want it to be, I will think of it again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for St. Lamberti, Hildesheim DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Allen3 talk 09:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ralf Popken I've given you an easy week this week eh?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'm on vacation, good coincidence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] RFC on TFA images Dear Gerda Arendt, you may be interested in a discussion that I've started at BencherliteTalk 16:29, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Infobox with collapsible sections Richard Wagner Richard Wagner, 1871 Born (1813-05-22)22 May 1813 Leipzig Died 23 February 1883(1883-02-23) (aged 69) Venice Occupations composer theatre director conductor librettist Years active 1833–1883 1833 (1833) – 1834 (1834): Würzburg 1834 (1834) – 1836 (1836): Magdeburg 1836 (1836) – 1837 (1837): Königsberg 1837 (1837) – 1839 (1839): Riga 1839 (1839) – 1842 (1842): Paris 1842 (1842) – 1849 (1849): Dresden 1849 (1849) – 1858 (1858): Zürich 1858 (1858) – 1862 (1862): Venice 1862 (1862) – 1864 (1864): Biebrich 1864 (1864) – 1865 (1865): Munich 1865 (1865) – 1871 (1871): Lucerne 1871 (1871) – 1882 (1882): Bayreuth 1882 (1882) – 1883 (1883): Venice Known for Bayreuth Festival Music drama as "Gesamtkunstwerk " Leitmotif Der Ring des Nibelungen antisemitic polemic Wagner controversies Notable work 1840 (1840) Rienzi 1841 (1841) Der fliegende Holländer 1844 (1844) Tannhäuser 1848 (1848) Lohengrin 1853 (1853) Das Rheingold 1854 (1854) Die Walküre 1856 (1856) Siegfried 1857 (1857) Tristan und Isolde 1862 (1862) Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg 1868 (1868) Götterdämmerung 1876 (1876) Parsifal Style Romantic Spouses Minna Planer (1836–1866) Cosima Wagner (1870–1783) Children Isolde Wagner Eva Wagner Siegfried Wagner Signature Hi Gerda, Have a look at this version of the Wagner infobox. Note especially that the "years active" needs to be a named parameter (the version on the Wagner talk page actually has its "years active" list as a continuation of the "occupation" section). I don't like the link from an infobox to the nav template as that template is not for listing works, it's for navigating articles (an action, not a data structure), so I've scrapped it. I converted occupations and children to flatlists to save space - the data is the same. I would actually recommend any list with more than 2 or 3 entries ought to be a collapsed list. In other words, if it can't be displayed succinctly, then don't display it unless the reader wants to - the underlying data is still there, of course. Have a think about the "Notable works" list. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 02:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, will take over later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] The Content Creativity Barnstar Thank you for being such a strong content editor -. Don't let the infobox wars and bad faith editors get to you. Your the type of editor we need more of here -  :-) Moxy (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, don't be afraid, I created my red cat after learning to despise "consensus", so am here to stay, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Newsletter Hi, I noticed you are not on this list. From June 2013 there is a new "in focus... " format, book reviews, new-DYK, etc. that refer to some articles of interest. Please just take a look at the June issue (should be released soon) and see. You just need to add your name to the list here. They are also offering a 3 month money back guarantee deal next week. History2007 (talk) 10:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Recognize the June issue DYK? History2007 (talk) 10:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I do ;) - I sang my first concert with a church choir there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Blakeney Thanks, I ought to do another building FA sometime. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Go ahead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Precious gift Thank you so much for your very sweet gift! I'm very pleased and honored to be a recipient, and truly delighted to discover that there are people like yourself who do such things. Wikipedia is suddenly a much, much nicer community :) SteveStrummer (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] As you can see in the list, I had great models. On my user I keep my own, remembering the feeling, - your nice response made my day today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Your opinion "'Every editor is a human being'. Fladrif seemed not to respect that, what can we do?" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC) I've never corresponded w/ you before. But may I ask, in light and respect of your statement, which you used to justify opinion for INDEF block on that user, what do you think about User:Bwilkins's final remark about User:DanielTom, in this thread. (Thank u for your sincere opinion.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:35, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] My remark on Fladrif's talk was in response to his treatment of a friend of mine. It was deleted within minutes, as anything else on that page, - I didn't see them interact at all (but now I watched little). We lost User:Townlake, unhappily so, as we lost User:PumpkinSky because of them, for a long time. - I will not get involved in the other case about which I know nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for the comments. When I asked your opinion above, I wasn't thinking it was asking you to "get involved". Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Define "involved", - I wasn't precise, I meant I have no time to even look (see below), and can't speak without looking. - Did you know that I didn't even have time so far to look at Fladrif's posts on the PumpkinSky RfA (link on my user)? I looked yesterday and found it sickening. To repeat the old "copyvio/plagiarism" label for the author of featured article Franz Kafka, - find a term for that yourself please, Did you know where the above mentioned quote comes from? The alleged identity of Rlevse and Barking Moon. it's linked in my edit notice. I miss BarkingMoon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Marie Lloyd Hi Gerda, I currently have Marie Lloyd performing at FAC, and generally behaving in a lewd and scandalous manner. So, if you have the time (and if the subject matter interests you), I would be eager to hear your thoughts should she take your fancy. ;) -- CassiantoTalk 19:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am interested, but have a few things on my mind, translate tomorrow's cantata BWV 68 to German, fill today's mass (red link on my user, also Lloyd), format the refs for the Pentecost cantatas (10 or so), write the next one for Trinity, and look into reverts of infoboxes ;) - but then I will look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Wow that certainly is a list! No problem at all. If you do miss her FAC then I would still like to know your thoughts, so no rush. All the best --CassiantoTalk 19:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] If you revert fewer infoboxes it may happen sooner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Oh I see, this is punishment is it? I never revert, just seek consensus for implementing, just as I would if I were to request a removal. Anyway, that is a whole new conversation; Lloyd has been promoted as of now, so look in at your leisure. Shame. -- CassiantoTalk 20:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] You see too much, if you see punishment. I didn't even look yet because it's the topic I am least interested in. I am thankful to anyone who adds an infobox for "my" articles, and not happy when an infobox I add to "my" articles gets reverted. For articles of others, I came to add when I know it's welcome, but suggest on the talk when I know it's not. - Of the list, I finished the recordings for BWV 68. - Congrats to the promotion! I am still interested in the performer and will look. Any date you want her to appear as TFA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] "If you revert fewer infoboxes it may happen sooner" is written in such a way that it suggests I would have to wait longer due to my actions of apparently reverting infoboxes. I have assumed good faith in this incidentally. I work on the guide that "An infobox is neither required nor prohibited for any article." Whether to use one or not would be determined through a discussion and possible consensus on the talk page. I make no secret of my dislike of them on biographies, but think they work well on film, science,, geography, history, and royalty articles, etc... To answer your TFA question, I really don't know. We have missed the 90 year anniversary of her death, and have another nine years to wait for the centenary. I will see which date fits best. We may have to go with first performance, or wait two years to place a TFA on the 145th anniversary of her birth. Cheers -- CassiantoTalk 21:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] (ec) Thanks for helping with the cantata! I did enough of the translation. - If you revert fewer simply means I have to look into fewer cases, so need less time for that. - I worked on the biography of Franz Kafka, as you may know, bio FA with an infobox. (I have a history of not liking them, did you know?) - TFA: simply suggest for any day, ladies are most welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I didn't know that, no. You are full of surprises young Gerda! I know the Kafka bio only too well having read it just a week ago, and was extremely impressed. I was going to list Joseph Grimaldi next for TFA, but ladies first. -- CassiantoTalk 21:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Kafka: PumpkinSky did the work (including the infobox), I helped with the German, first winning an award in the Core Contest and then FA, planned for 22 September. - The writing was not easy because many editors had worked on it before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] There is a mop reserved in your name You are a remarkably exemplar editor. You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and you are qualified! You personify an Administrator without tools , and have gained my support; already! My76Strat (talk) 22:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for the expression of trust! You are not the first to suggest that, the answer still applies. Also you must have missed how disruptive I am ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Fair enough. I am livid at the tone of that Wagner discussion; clearly I should avoid injecting my thoughts there; if I am able. My76Strat (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] MIA I had no idea such a page even existed! And strange that it said vanished without notice, I had a big banner saying I was moving, had no internet, and then had little to sporadic internet, etc. Anyway, I'm happily off that list. :) Sadly, I see many names that make me wish were not on the list. :( Oh good grief, someone point me to how to make smiley faces, lol. Ariel♥Gold 03:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are most welcome here! - In the sad list, others missed you. - I hear you are kind of an angel! But that it was said to me also puts it in perspective ;) - We sing "Come Holy Ghost" today, see my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Many thanks The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar A jewel dropping down on me is quite unexpected but much appreciated. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] All I can say is simply, you do good work! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt, BWV 68 DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Harrias talk 16:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Bruce MacKinnon Hello. Thank you for your input on Bruce MacKinnon (cartoonist). I have made a third stab at a hook, reflecting your comments. Your thoughts? I think is is much better, even quirky!Verne Equinox (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Martin Krumbiegel DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Harrias talk 00:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: work log Thanks for your kind words! Please let me know if there's any way I can improve my editing or when you see me doing something wrong. Happy editing, quant18 (talk) 15:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, nicely said, - I saw only good things when I looked at your contributions. You seem to be much more successful in editing without controversies and drama than I am, - but I take it as part of loving opera ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wagner special Richard Wagner conductor librettist founder of the Bayreuth Festival Years active 1833–1883 1833 (1833) – 1834 (1834): Würzburg 1834 (1834) – 1836 (1836): Magdeburg 1836 (1836) – 1837 (1837): Königsberg 1837 (1837) – 1839 (1839): Riga 1839 (1839) – 1842 (1842): Paris 1842 (1842) – 1849 (1849): Dresden 1849 (1849) – 1858 (1858): Zürich 1858 (1858) – 1862 (1862): Venice 1862 (1862) – 1864 (1864): Biebrich 1864 (1864) – 1865 (1865): Munich 1865 (1865) – 1871 (1871): Lucerne 1871 (1871) – 1882 (1882): Bayreuth 1882 (1882) – 1883 (1883): Venice Notable work Rienzi to Parsifal 1840 (1840) Rienzi 1841 (1841) Der fliegende Holländer 1844 (1844) Tannhäuser 1848 (1848) Lohengrin 1853 (1853) Das Rheingold 1854 (1854) Die Walküre 1856 (1856) Siegfried 1857 (1857) Tristan und Isolde 1862 (1862) Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg 1868 (1868) Götterdämmerung 1876 (1876) Parsifal Style Romantic Spouses Minna Planer (1836–1866) Cosima Wagner (1870–1883) Children Isolde Eva Siegfried Signature Does it come with extra cheese and pineapple? sounds appetizing!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] If you provide them ;) - I just placed Götterdämmerung on my talk, will leave now, as promised, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Happy Wagner's Birthday! AutomaticStrikeout  ?  14:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] It is fun! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wagner/Verdi/Alkan..... I will leave Verdi to you and others; much as I love his music, I claim no special knowledge of his output. I am anyway concentrating on Charles-Valentin Alkan at present, who had the misfortune to be born in the same year as Wagner and Verdi. If you would like to come to Levoča this year, (4th-8th October) you can hear Verdi String 4tet, Wagner Wesendonck Lieder and Alkan complete chamber music, amongst a lot of other good stuff....If you can make it you will be very welcome. Best, --Smerus (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for the invitation, that souds interesting, but there's singing Schubert Mass No 6 on 3 Oct and travel with friends afterwards, so not likely. I will tell a friend who his from Slovakia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Mass in B minor structure DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thank you for the Precious award. It warmed my heart. Verne Equinox (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hannoversche Hofkapelle Gerda, can you have a look at this one if you have time: Hannoversche Hofkapelle. You will see we are using the German name! --Kleinzach 01:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Erhard Egidi nominate ) 00:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC) Calling quirkys Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Quirky.27s get that car parking nom in! PumpkinSky talk 00:49, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] cantata, then quirky for dessert, - O offered the Pipe Aria, it was not taken for quirky, but the Mass was ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I saw that you need directly sourced hooks and thought its betterto use english ones. DYK that Men's parking spaces in Triberg are not the first example of sexist parking spots? < Times of India DYK that Men's parking spaces in Triberg are particularly tricky to use? < Huff post BR talk) 08:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, good approach. Would you click those? I thought just to mention THAT those papers reported was more quirky. (Almost too personal request: please don't use the abbreviation "BR" for me, - did you read my edit notice?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Welcome, great teacher. ??clikc?? I am not at all aware or inside the DYK process here. DYK that by assigning talk) 08:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Be specific ;) I suggest: you select two good quotes from articles in English in well known papers from interesting places and put them in the article, it's more interesting for any reader, not only DYK. Like: Mr. Soandso of the xyz Guardian noted: "". If a quote is good for a hook, we take that, if not we mention those two papers. - hint: if you start a new topic on a page, use the button on top "New section", easier to follow in watchlists. - did you see Mass in B minor structure (work in progress), mentioned just above? Tell Wikiwal that I thank him very much for the German model. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] OK. "the greatest musical work of all times and peoples" talk) 10:30, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Said 1818 and still true. A different kind: Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding, BWV 176, defiant and disheartened, - cantata ready (well, recordings still missing, but that's routine work, no thoughts needed), how about quotes? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] I was on damsel in distress ;) in german. Asap. talk) 10:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I helped myself to dessert, link on the article talk, please watch and follow up, I will travel for the next days, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for adding more, enough! - Please format refs as right AFTER punctuation. Add more hook suggestions if you like, by editing the nomination and saying "ALT1: ... ?", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Alt1 is the best, it covers all aspects and Tribergians will love it. talk ) ALT1 does something I try all the time: saying too much ;) Let the reviewer speak first, who may approve more than one, - then the one who chooses for the prep(aration) area can see what fits best in a context. German article was moved to Männerparkplatz (Triberg) and saved from limbo. Lets see whats going to happen now. Cheers Serten. talk) 14:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding, BWV 176 DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gee One of the Bach articles was reverted with an edit summary suggesting it was per your talk page, but I see nothing recent on your talk page. Just a heads up that there was a blatently inaccurage edit summary. Montanabw(talk) 03:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] My talk page is long, so not to specifically mention where is not really helpful. I asked in one of those cases, and was pointed at the section where collapsing of longer lists is recommended and shown, compare the two versions on Richard Wagner. The big difference between collapsing sections (not acceptable for me) and collapsing long lists of one parameter (acceptable) has been discussed. Now we have to see what "long" means. For no Bach composition is the scoring long, not even for the Mass, and it certainly is where the music sounds and should be heard. I understand that Voceditenore also goes for visible scoring, see template discussion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Agreed. But there seems to be a "brat in a bubble" who wants to throw tantrums and have it all her way, just on the principle of the thing. I'm done for this evening, and I'm ready to rip my hair out about that situation (sigh). 05:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC) Please don't rip your hair out. Thanks for trying to help. Laßt uns sorgen, laßt uns wachen, Dona nobis pacem, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks very much for your post to my talk page. I'm still trying to keep on my Wikibreak but wanted to tell you how appreciated that was. talk) 04:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] my pleasure! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks from me too. Not sure why you decided to re-honour me, since I haven't done much of note since then, but it is much appreciated. :-) Serendipodous 11:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] No, no, much simpler: for every recipent, I look after a year if it still applies. It's meant for something specific special as well as for longterm contributions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] secondary source? Hello my friend: just a quick question: Would this be considered as an secondary or tertiary source to be used in the article? Also, this is quite interesting experiment in the history of the live piano performances for live animals and humans all together at the same time isn't? Do you think we should put few sentences mentioning this in the article? If you say it's useless then don't worry about it. Many thanks! Regards, Sausa (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] On vacation, no time, one look: gimmick. I would use it as an external ref. (No time right now to actually read it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Got you! Thanks! Whenver you grab a chance just let me know what you meant by "gimmick" using this word in the article or as a reference to something? Thanks Gerda! Sausa (talk) 20:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] No, no, much simpler, quote from that link: "It has all the earmarkings of a gimmick". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Männergarten Still in the talk) 02:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Patience please, I have a full load of things to do, more than I can handle, look above. (Please use "new section" for a new section, no appendix to the last.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ichthus Hi, I thought I would drop you a note to say that I mentioned an article you worked on in this month's issue of Ichthus. If you wish to receive the full content in future, please drop me a note on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds22:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, see above, I got the message and then he vanished ... - I prefer the link to the full copy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ok well you have it :) He may have vanished, but he wrote us 15 months of material ... --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] It caught me as a complete surprise, right after that announcement, - we are losing too many, and I ask myself what went wrong, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I think it was planned, he mentioned he had given himself a year left before leaving - too much drama, too much ANI, I think.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot, BWV 39 DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nice Surprise I am honored! Thank you for your kind words, and for making Wikipedia a better place. Ewulp (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Now I am honored! Some may think I make it worse, trying to apply infoboxes, an accessibility tool. Some think a box disfigures an article. What will they think about a ramp for people in wheelchairs for a building? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] The lede and the TOC are ramps; an infobox is unfortunately very often a detour, a treacherous ramp that leads to the wrong information. Users who have difficulty reading a lede paragraph or utilizing a table of contents are better served by Simple English Wikipedia than by a table of field-value pairs. Surely you will agree! I encourage you to join the battle against the infobox blight. Ewulp (talk) 08:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Battle? Sounds frightening ;) - I go for Reformation, see link to "amore e studio elucidandae" on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Medingen Abbey Hi Gerda. Would you mind taking a look at this article and its DYK nom? It's been created by a new (German?) editor, Jenny.lemke, and looks generally pretty good. I've nominated it for a DYK and it's been reviewed by a first-time reviewer who is positive but has some comments. Some help in getting it through the process would I'm sure be appreciated as an encourage to both newbies! --Bermicourt (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's done, I add (pictured) ;) - The titles of the sources should be italic, not bold. I am surprised that there is no German article, but Medingen (Bad Bevensen) is almost exclusively about it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Courtesy notification I have cited you regarding an issue with another editor, at WP:ANI#Persistent edit stalking. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Handel, Bach I don't see the point of your revert. Don't you think it's interesting that Handel and Bach — two giants of Baroque — were born three weeks apart, in relatively close proximity? How does removing this sidelight enhance Handel? Sca (talk) 23:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] How does mentioning a sheer coincidence enhance our understanding of Handel? The lead should contain (only) the most important facts about him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'm looking at it from a human-interest point of view, as a journalist. You seem to be looking at it from the point of view of a musicologist. My audience is far larger than yours, I submit. PS: My favorite cantata is BWV 140. Sca (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I would not have reverted a remark in the article, or under trivia, but - repeating - don't think it belongs in the lead. I like the early BWV 172, when he still wanted the opening chorus repeated in the end, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Gerda, I would agree with your argument about the lead (in U.S. journalism, oddly, spelled lede) were the paragraph in question not preceded by three summary paragraphs comprising 337 words — which in newspaper terms corresponds to about 11 inches of single-column type. Thus, the reader who gets to the referenced paragraph already has spent significant time reading about Handel. Wiki may have developed its own idiosyncratic standards for expository form, but in longstanding journalism practice the "lede" is the FIRST paragraph. Thus, inclusion of a brief (12 words) reference to Bach's coincidental birth nearby does not tax the reader's patience, as he already has shown considerable interest in the topic by reading to this point. I'm not one for edit wars, but I request that you reconsider. Thanks. Sca (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Bassoon quintet This is a bit of a mystery. I started doing the link repairs and I thought that I had done the one in the template. I will look again. By the way I used to know Graham's father William, who apart from being an excellent fagottist had a wonderful collection of musical instruments and first editions. He owned I think the only pedal piano in England, on which I tried some of Alkan's pieces; but my organ-playing days are long behind me and I couldn't hack it. Best, --Smerus (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] He and I listened to the premiere. Hearing the conversation between the player and him on the way to the reception afterwards was quite memorable, - too bad I don't remember as well what they said ;) - I saw that you had done the link in the template, that's what I don't understand. Perhaps we need to wait a day for the search function to work properly for the template. It does work for the other articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] (talk page stalker)I did a gig with Celia a couple of weekends ago. Small(ish) world. And wasn't it Bill who was the source of the wonderful Messiaen/Turangalîla story about the score?? I seem to recall so. It's a corker. Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Well done Gerda for solving the link mystery!--Smerus (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I didn't do a thing, just looked again. Perhaps it's like the search function, finding a new article only a day later or so. I will have to learn more on templates, for example why when you make a change, it immediately shows in an article but not in the example on the template's own documentation. - Did you see that The Proud Bassoon? Quoting "The program book includes a section of memories, titled "recollected in tranquility, a celebration", including a contribution of Karlheinz Stockhausen who wrote in 2007: "Not only in rehearsal, but also in many hours before and after rehearsals and recordings, and during our trips with the ensemble, I had the pleasure and privilege of sharing with William Waterhouse his rich cultural knowledge and enthusiasm. He was a musician as we all should be: excellent as a performer, open minded, curious, well educated, joyous, full of humour. I greet him in the beyond and hope to meet him again." - Stockhausen died shortly afterwards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A kitten for you! Thanks for the gemstone! Bearian (talk) 16:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks from me too! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you... ...for your kind words. And you did notice that I occasionally(?) challenge the status quo. Yeah, I'm not a follower. HiLo48 (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nor am I - only supposed to be one (found in the WP:Great Dismal Swamp in the last few hours: "some of those in his train play these silly games", "that the spirit of the master temporarily in exile has found a worthy inheritor") ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] John Young Brown Sorry to have opposed, but I like your response. Please do drop me a line on my talk page when you relist it, if you remember! --Dweller (talk) 21:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, no problem, my memory is here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] thank you Just wanted to send a belated thank you for the kind message you left on my talkpage. I always knew I was awesome :) GabrielF (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Kafka for TFA 3rd July? To mark the 130th anniversary of his birth, perhaps? BencherliteTalk 15:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for thinking of it! PumpkinSky had the same idea, but I convinced him that 22 September might be better, the night when he wrote "The Judgement", a pivotal turn in his writing (see pending). - I confess that 3 July seems too early now, the list of his works (different article) is far from presentable, and time limited. What do you think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I couldn't work out why it was there for 22nd Sept - "The Judgement" doesn't even merit a mention in the lead, so its date relevance is marginal at best, compared to a "round number" anniversary. And I wouldn't worry about the state of BencherliteTalk 15:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] My experience is zero, so I am listening, of course. I can't nominate, I just proposed one for later. Will fix the blurb you know where. The rules, the rules ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Most people won't make the connection to The Judgement, and haven't even heard of it. PumpkinSky talk 12:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I changed to 3 July almost everywhere, feel free to nom, it's mostly yours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103.... is now a GA, congratulations! I've just been btw to a performance here in Kiev by an amazing young Japanese violinist of Schoenberg's Concerto. What a great piece!- and the WP article on it is pretty feeble, if you are at a loose end......Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for great support! Look above, an unexpected TFA, + two articles I wanted to have written by last Tuesday, + two translations to German, + everything still feels a bit muddy from the swamp, "quanto dolore" ;) - working together is the best way out, thank you for that, and for sharing music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Well done!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! I am in my fourth year with the cantatas, only a few left, and Nikkimaria helps. Your DYK record is amazing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: our did you mean leaving the swamp only a bit muddy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! Let me know when you want some more articles!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's on your coordination page, one red guy in Teh Mass, - the others there can wait, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Johann Hugo von Wilderer, text is hidden..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, that was fast again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Statement Hi, Gerda, I've suggested you might like to make a statement here as a way of bringing the ANI to a conclusion. --Kleinzach 02:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] done, also fixed links to archived discussion there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Barnstar of Integrity The Barnstar of Integrity For your support during the recent unpleasantness. PumpkinSky talk 22:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! After this Kafkaesque episode, go and nominate Kafka ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] For you, ok. PumpkinSky talk 22:44, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Not for me, - I would like to use the "first nom" point some day for an FA I did myself, - Kafka will not need it ;) - blurb is on QAI, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, for you. I came up with 5 pts (Vital and date). PumpkinSky talk 23:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] You know my feelings for those points. Reduce a person like Kafka to 5 points ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] St. Andreas, Hildesheim Hi Gerda. I see you've just moved this to the German name. Having done a number of these articles, the general convention seems to be to use the English name for German churches named after a saint. This is certainly the case if you look at the Category:Lutheran churches in Germany. I accept this usage is not universal outside, but still there is a strong trend towards using English or both English and German. It helps with clarity too, because we always include the word "Church". That said, you know I love Germany and the German language! (even tho' we're now back in UK). And I fully accept we must highlight the German name in the lede and as a redirect! Bermicourt (talk) 11:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] (ec) Define "always". Not on the commons, nor their own website. I came across it with St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, but was too lazy then ;) - To include the word "church" seems to me like including "Prof" in a person's name. - Learning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] For orchestras: if there is an official (!) English name, that is taken, otherwise the German, but not an inofficial translation. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, I missed this. Where to begin? I agree, "always" is a bit sloppy; it's true we often refer to churches in English as "St. Mary's" or "St. Peter's", but only when we already know the context i.e. that we're talking about a church, because we also have schools and colleges named after saints. So I think "St. Mary's Church, Placename" is a sensible title for articles on churches in English-speaking countries. The real question is what do we do with churches in other countries? There seems to me to be a common trend in the sources to translate the name where possible. "Where possible" seems to be, first, where churches are named after saints. It would seem odd to say "St. Nikolai Church dedicated to St. Nicholas". Second, it is also quite common in English to name churches after their location e.g. Selsley Church . This suggests it is also okay to translate "Foodorfkirche" as "Foodorf Church". It's just a compound noun. As an overwhelming majority of German church articles seemed to follow these 2 practices already, I have simply been trying to tidy things up ensuring, of course, that we quote the German name in the opening sentence. For English readers I think that's helpful. Orchestras: I'm not sure. We are used to talking about the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra or the Vienna Philharmonic in English, so it's reasonable to extend the practice to similarly named orchestras I guess. But if it has a one-off name such as Hofkapelle, maybe it's sensible to leave it in German. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] There's more to the topic below also, St. Augustin(e). I like the practice there: have just the name as the title, explain in the article. The German names are no way consistent even in German, our church is known as St. Martin, whereas the Reinoldikirche is known as such, Catholic vs Protestant may play a role there. The English Wikipedia seems to respect the original names of some French and Italian churches, why not German also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: we don't talk about the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Berlin Philharmonic is correct because that orchestra has an official English name. If a church has one, let's use it, but not invent a translation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Main Page appearance: Franz Kafka This is a note to let the main editors of Bencherlite (talk · contribs)), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 3, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions . The blurb as it stands now is below: Franz Kafka (1883–1924) was a German-language writer of novels and short stories, and is regarded as one of the most influential authors of the 20th century. His works, such as "Die Verwandlung" ("The Metamorphosis"), Der Process (The Trial), and Das Schloss (The Castle), are filled with themes and archetypes of alienation, brutality, parent–child conflict, and mystical transformations. Kafka was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Prague, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He trained as a lawyer and worked for an insurance company, writing in his spare time – he complained all his life about his lack of time to write. Kafka wrote hundreds of letters to family and close female friends, including his fiancée Felice Bauer. Only a few of Kafka's stories appeared during his lifetime in story collections and literary magazines. His novels and other unfinished works were published posthumously, mostly by his friend Max Brod, who ignored his wish to have the manuscripts destroyed. Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre are among the writers influenced by Kafka's work; the term Kafkaesque has entered the English language to describe surreal situations like those in his writing. (Full article...) talk) 23:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] The Company of Heaven Good grief, Gerda! You expose me as a fraud. Here I am presuming to get BB up to FAC standard and I've never, as far as I remember, even heard of "The Company of Heaven". I shall go and do a spot of homework. Tim riley (talk) 22:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's a radio feature on angels, much more spoken than music, and forgotten until 1990, - no wonder you don't know it ;) - we performed it in 2001, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Duly researched. I've added a few bits and pieces. Do trim my additions if you think I've gone on too much. I shall seek out a recording. Tim riley (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great, I will look later, no time right now. The spoken voices in the battle music are a feature worthy of DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good! Glad you approve. I don't think I can add more, and I imagine that the DYK (a process that is terra incognita for me) will probably have to be written off. Tim riley (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Fine with me, - I hear the music now, #9 a cappella, very difficult for a lay choir, very beautiful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I see the article has made it to DYK. By what sorcery you accomplish this, my dear Gerda, I know not, but I congratulate you. Tim riley (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] You can't survive here without a little bit of magic ;) - In this case I found a reviewer who didn't take teh rulez by the letter but the spirit and said is was new enough. - Did you see (below) that I received an opera house? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I did. I had my own for 15 minutes last Saturday. Between 10 and 10.15 I was appointed doorkeeper at the Royal Opera House for the Frederick Ashton Wikibash. The feeling of power and importance was almost overwhelming. With which opera shall you be opening your new opera house? Tim riley (talk) 21:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gianni Schicchi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] We're not that far apart: I'd choose Falstaff. The Company of Heaven article is looking in excellent shape now. An unusual example of a new article to which quite a few editors have contributed almost simultaneously to good effect. Sometimes such things can be a a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth", but not here. I am still working on the main Benjamin Britten article, where, naturally, any additions or amendments you care to add will be most welcome. Tim riley (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Some baklava for you! I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for St. Augustin, Coburg nominate ) 08:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC) St Augustin(e) Hi. I reverted your edit and brought back the original English + German translation. IMHO, the dedication of the church is not something "German" per se. But I agree with you it is arguable. Hence my humble suggestion:page name in German but description in the lead in English. I will add the geotag to make sure nobody get lost ;-) --Alberto Fernández Fernández (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I think a name is a name. and I would keep any name that is no problem. I would not translate yours to Albert Ferdinand ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Adding Infobox opera to articles Hi Gerda, I check what links to the infobox every day, so I can see how it's settling in. This is just a note to say that when you add the box to an article like La Navarraise, which does not have a footer navbox to the composers' other opera articles, you need to add the operas to the infobox in the collapsed list by hand. Otherwise, replacing the old header navbox with an infobox is a net loss to the article, since the first two sentences already contain the other information in the box. I've gone ahead and fixed that one for you. I'd suggest that if you want to add further infoboxes, you might want to start with articles that already have a footer navbox. You might also want to start with articles which are long enough to justify an infobox but aren't FA yet, but that's up to you. Voceditenore (talk) 14:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for the fix, I was interrupted. - As time permits, I pick the ones that are visible, - I liked Das Rheingold on the Main page yesterday for a while and no complaints. - No more time today, I just peeked in to see if Massenet had a navbox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] You've probably already seen it, but just in case, Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Horizontal composer templates lists all the currently available opera composer footer navboxes. Voceditenore (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Johann Hugo von Wilderer Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! NinaGreen (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Kindness Bless you for that ;) -- CassiantoTalk 09:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like to watch that archive grow, full of people who otherwise seem to live on different stars ;) - feel free to also share some baklava above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Alas, there are only two forks (I'll use my fingers!) -- CassiantoTalk 17:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I always use my fingers for baklava, you can have mine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerhard Faulstich You may wish to add.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, probably yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! I wanted to get back to you for the glittering jewel you gave me last month, I have been very busy lately but have been meaning to say thank you! Its great to be noticed, thanks again! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Unitas Fratrum/Moravian Church There is a problem both in the article on the Unitas Fratrum and the Moravian Church (as well as their mentions in the page on the Protestant Reformation). They both state that the movement started with Jan Hus. This is in error. The Moravian Church and the Unitas Fratrum both originated with Nikolaus Ludwig, Graf von Zinzendorf und Pottendorf in the 1700s. The church that followed Jan Hus (the Hussites) later split in many directions: the Ultraquists (or Calixtines), the Bohemian Brethren, the Unity of the Brethren, the Czechoslovak Hussite Church, and the Taborites. These need to be changed ASAP. Thank you, -- Dgljr5121973 (talk) 03:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Please take this with sources to the relevant article talk pages, Unitas Fratrum etc., --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot, BWV 39 Great work on the article; the research is fantastic, and I'm sorry if I caused you any stress over the questions I had. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for a good and EASY review, - I don't know what you mean by "stress" here, compared to what I got baklava for (feel free to share, above, fingerfood, not enough forks). The cantata is one of my personal favourites, quoted on my user twice (in case you didn't see that). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] London Necropolis Company Just thought you might be interested in this discussion: WP:AN#Legal issues with London Necropolis Company? Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 16:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] No, I am not, I accepted that there a reasons to be respected, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] The Mind the Gap Barnstar ...is awarded to User:Gerda Arendt who has diligently worked to change the Conversation on Wikipedia and related projects through content contributions, outreach, community changes and related actions. Your efforts are changing the very face of Wikipedia...for the better! ```Buster Seven Talk 19:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Mind the Gap Award For saying the right thing, at the right time, in the right place, to the right people. I feel honoured, but did you investigate enough? I came to consider "disruptive" a compliment ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Johann Hugo von Wilderer nominate ) 16:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC) Bridge thanks Thank you for your kind words about Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3 - I spent time in Germany mostly along the Rhine, but have been to the Ruhrtal a few times. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Just returned from the Rhine, hiking above WP:QAI? If you have other ideas for TFA, just enter there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] The "If I had the time I'd make a Wikilove thingy with a pretty picture, but I'm lazy so instead you'll have to settle for text" Barnstar Hi Gerda, I saw your note on my talk page. Thanks for the kind words, and for being so refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter all the time. An inspiration to us all. I'm sure I'll see you around eventually, but probably won't be for a while yet. Enjoying my time away. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I enjoy refreshing apparitions, also I am in a good mood, after singing Bach for more than two hours, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Muggeseggele Thought you would like to have a laugh. 06:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC) Kürbis hasnt spoken and Männergarten was rejected. Schnueff ;) Greetings talk) 17:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Count my name on ANI, what's a rejected DYK? ;) (at least the two threads were closed) - talk to puppy, perhaps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Swiss Informatics Society nominate ) 08:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC) Hi Gerda: I saw your complaint at Main Page/Errors but was busy offline, and now a new set is on the Main Page. I apologise for not getting to it in time, but I needed to see who made the change and when, as it's not a matter of accuracy so much as clarity. I have now had time to track down what happened: the hook was changed several times in prep, the final change and the one that hid the name of the organisation being this one by OhConfucius. I snuck a look at WT:DYK to see whether anyone had pointed this out and I see you did open a section there, but that no one has. The prep set was then promoted to the queue unchanged. I haven't looked at the timestamps to see whether it was moved to the queue just before the Main Page needed updating, but I note that all queues are now empty. So my hypothesis - note the carefully chosen word - would be that admins are having to hurry to upload preps to queues so that the Main Page can be updated on time and are not checking the set one more time to make sure there are no problems. I really regret that I can't participate at DYK any more; I have a good proofreading eye and because I don't do as much as most admins do, I often had time to check both the hooks and the articles one more time before I loaded the set into the queue where non-admins can no longer edit it. But I can't see any solution to the political impasse that made my withdrawal necessary, so that's that. So I suggest with many apologies, because I know you are busy too, that you make a note of which prep your next DYK is in and keep an eye on it. You may also want to talk to the editors who changed the hook wording and suggest they let the nominator know when they make major changes for the sake of style, but the edit summaries make clear that they sincerely thought they were improving the reading of the hook. (And from recent complaints at Main Page/Errors, some reviewers and promoters to preps have been letting by stilted or even not-quite-comprehensible hooks, so even better would be for wording problems to be caught and if necessary discussed at an earlier stage.) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you for taking the time to come over! I found out only after it was already on the Main page, also the several changes to the prep, without any notification (what do we have them for?). I addressed the one who did the pipe link, and the DYK talk. After an hour, at least the grammatical error was fixed. - No solution in sight, because it's lack of people. Three queues and four preps should be full all the time, then everyone involved would have time to check in time before something goes on the Main page. - I love my latest DYK, below, - the next one still needs a review, no rush, a church ;) - I don't do much on DYK, most Bach cantatas are written, my pet article (see top of the page) is growing, another long-term project on Baroque instruments started. - I miss you, - every time I pass Klopp Castle (and that is rather often) I think of you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Those were happy days, and I envy you frequently passing the castle! I miss DYK, it is a project I very much believe in and I enjoyed helping out there. But there are procedures for these things, so I must bow to them. And I do not miss that awful talk page. As regards catching things before they are on the Main Page, I do think the best answer is careful checking at all stages - nomination-checking, promotion to prep, and promotion of prep set to queue. That should mean at least 4 sets of eyes go over every article and hook, counting the nominator, and in practice far more, since there are people who like to check the preps and make improvements there, and many if not most articles are not created and nominated by a solo editor. In this case, it was both "Many cooks spoil the broth", with the best of intentions, and - my hypothesis - rushing to load the set. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sapphire Hi Gerda, Thank you very much for the sapphire! I greatly appreciate the encouragement; receiving your message was a great way to start the day. Happy editing, Neelix (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Some advice Hi Gerda, a word of advice. I think trying to start a new discussion every day at the main OP discussion page for a new article's infobox probably isn't a good idea. It's going to make the OP page huge, especially if you paste the whole box in for every single article. In 7 days the page is going to contain 7 infoboxes and take longer and longer to load, with a huge amount of white space. Perhaps more importantly, you are probably not going to get considered or constructive responses that way, and you run the risk of alienating some members by swamping the page like that. There's a lot of infobox fatigue at the moment. I am personally taking a complete vacation from the issue. I would suggest that if you want to add one a day but want to discuss it first, then host the infobox you are proposing in your user space, start a discussion on the actual talk page of the article and link to the box in your user space. Then leave a short note at the OP as a "heads up" to editors. If any of them want to comment, they'll go to the talk page of the article. If no one comments on the talk page after a while, go ahead and add the box. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I don't plan to start a new discussion every day, but discuss one to a satisfactory end. Joseph was disappointing. There will be no other infobox on OP until that one is discussed and archived, and I am not even adding another one to an opera article. Did you see that I took one to user space? - So thank you for the advice, but I think I took it already. (I still fail to understand how 4 vs 2 votes within one day can be called a "clear consensus". I don't feel fatigue at all, I feel great eagerness and a rush to delete. Even if you are on "vacation" for the topic, can you explain to some what replacing the bottom navbox by the side navbox means? I don't have polite words for that, - restored it anyway.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ah, I thought when you said "first try one infobox a day", you meant start a new discussion every day about a new article's infobox. I guess you meant discuss one article and its box and then when that discussion is over, archive it and start the next one? That might work. But I still think it would be much better and more transparent for those kinds of discussions to take place on the article's talk page, with just a note on the OP page. First of all, the project as a collective isn't/can't be the one to definitively decide individual article issues like that (at least two edtitors strongly opposed at Joseph aren't OP members, for one thing). Secondly, if it's on the article's talk page, there's a much clearer permanent record of the discussion easily available to all people who edit or read the article in the future. I can understand your disappointment re the way things are going at Joseph, but I'm afraid that's going to happen a lot. Many editors, especially in the arts, feel very strongly about the issue and they're all motivated by what they think is best for the article and the reader. As for explaining to people about footer navboxes... they understand what they are and are aware that there's duplication or overlap in some cases, but in their opinion it doesn't matter or they prefer to have the vertical navbox. By the way I think I may have found guerrieri delle modifiche. :) Voceditenore (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I said "first try one infobox a day" in the morning, - you know what happened in the afternoon, and I didn't update ;) - Evening plan: when one discussion is over (and perhaps changes made to the template), start a different genre/type, - we will see. I suggest we let Louise be discussed on the OP talk in the open, from then on follow the procedure you described. Thank you for history, see below for shouting male chorus in battle, - I confess some pleasure making that known. I will not speak about editors who arrive at a scene fast, such as BWV 30, - look for baklava above, feel free to share fingerfood. You are precious, even when tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for The Company of Heaven nominate ) 16:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC) An Opera House for you! File:Daegu Operahouse.jpg An Opera House for you! Thank you for your review of Costanzo Antegnati and the extra work you put in to improve the article. I now understand what you meant by your question in the dyk review. Yes, I prefer to be coy, as these are the types of hooks that tend to draw me in. However, I truly am open to suggestions on how to create better hooks. All the best, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 17:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Did you know that I love opera? See above for the longest running one in 25 acts ;) - Your hook was great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I gathered you were fond of opera from perusing your talk page. 25 acts is a bit long for a casual fan such as myself, but I'm not sure that it is the number of acts that is fatiguing, but the length of performance, approaching eight years. Perhaps it wouldn't be so bad but most the acts have been repeated, even though I've heard few calls for encores. Anyway, I'll give you your own opera composer if you'll help me translate a couple German sources I found when researching Robert Leonhardt. I know just enough German to really make a mess of things. Vielen Dank! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 03:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good plan, the composer. Peace in that war will take long, but worth fighting going for. I woke up thinking that an infobox is something like an articles identity card. Leonhardt has a nice one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! I really need some help with this one. I'm hoping that it confirms his debut in 1898 in Prague, which I have seen in opera discussion groups but not in any reliable sources I can use. If you would take a look at the Unvergängliche Stimmen link I just added (reference 13) to see if I am correct in my translation/interpretation, it would also be appreciated. Last comment about infoboxes: I don't think an entry looks like a Wikipedia article without one, but I sympathize with those who complain the paramaters tend towards the complex and confusing, and paramaters such as "influenced" and "influenced by" invite edit wars. Oh, regarding the Leonhardt infobox, I have listed "German folk" as style, but do you think "volkslied" or "volkslieder" would be more appropriate? 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] For some reason, I get only the cover of the first book. For the second one I can look inside and see that he is said to be the performer with the most recordings, also that he performed "comprimario" roles at the MET after 1920. "Volkslied" is not quite right, in German it would be "Unterhaltungsmusik", I don't know if there is a good equivalent. - I would format the opera titles in italic. - Infobox: I started my thoughts, link just below, smiled a lot when I read my comments from a year ago, "my salad days" ;) - feel free to add on the talk, general comments and regarding the (so far) two cased where an infobox was thrown out, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Perhaps this link will work? (hopefully) [11] 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC) PS the section I'm interested in is directly in the middle, on the right hand column of page 158. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] How do I get there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hopefully by clicking on the "[3]" above? or here. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] As said above, that gets me to cover and table of content, but then what? (I still read books on paper, DYK?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] How very, very odd. For me it goes right to the page. I will try to copy, but the text is in Old German script, which is hard for me to read. "Evangelische Kirchen-Zeitung für Oesterreich, Volume 22" published in 1905. Prag. (Deutsche evang. Gemeinde.) Der langjährige Bresbhterfassier Ulrich Martius muste infolge andauernder Kräuslichseit dieses Umt niederlegen. Für ihn rourde Herr Robert Leonhardt zum Kassier gewählt. Die Ginfassierung der Jahres-beiträge hat Bresbuter Georg Bolrab übernommen. Kurator Thierselder, der sich um die Reform der Kassagebahrung, um das Bensions - und Lofalstatut grosse Berdienste erworben hat, wurde über Untrag des Bresbuters Dr. Kreig einstimmig der Dans und die Unerfennung des Bresbnteriums ausgesprochen. Bei den Wnhlen in die Gemeiudevertretung wurden neu gewählt: Prof. Alfred Birt, Prof. D. Berneser, Dr. Beder, Georg Loos, Ing. Giemens, D. Müller, Brediger Greiss, D. Jürgensen, Ing. Küpper, Ing. Ballauf, Ing. Donat, D. Rempfing." 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 20:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] (To make it more odd: for the other link I do get to the page.) What I understand from "Für ihn wurde Herr Robert Leonhardt zum Kassier gewählt." is that Leonhardt was elected to succeed Ulrich Martius who was chronically ill, as "Kassierer" (casher?) for the parish (responsible for money), followed by the names of people elected to parish council. - No premiere, sorry. Talking parish: here is my place of performance, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Oh well. My little bit of translation attempt hinted it was about local church politics, and probably had nothing to do with the singer. Not a total waste, as the one German source was definately useful, and I ran across a couple of useful news items that I inexplicably missed earlier (unless Google very recently added old Oregonian papers to their database), which allowed me to create a small "style" section as I had originally intended. Thanks so very much for your help! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Aw shucks turns red* Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] be proud ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] [12] As far as I'm concerned (now), you can have an infobox where you are the main editor, assuming no consensus against it, etc. But: it might not be exactly as you want it, and I'd like not to have one without discussion first where I am a main author. Can we work with that? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] We can work this out, in fact I think I behaved that way already. I didn't dream of adding one to "your" Bach cantatas (see above under Opera house, I hate fighting), and I was tempted SO much to add one to the Company of Heaven but resisted, because you started it ;) - Can we add please to "articles where I am the main editor" those done in collaboration where I am the "infobox person" for a group (Dr. Blofeld, Riana ...)? For BWV 30, I think it's tricky to decide authorship, we leave it "your way" and talk again next year? St. John's Day is over, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sure. Another question, while I'm here: you said you see infoboxes as an accessibility tool. Can you explain what that means to you? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Keep watching my new place for thoughts, comments on the talk please, - I am just returning and have a few other threads first, and a watch list of 10k+, no rush, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] (talk page stalker) Support — Ched :  ?  10:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] An Opera composer for you! An Opera composer for you! For outstanding assitance with numerous questions, translation, and outstanding all-around wikicitizenship, I hereby award you this Opera composer award! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] The first musician yet in my collection, thank you, my pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Question for you In your sandbox - (I peeked) - you say that the conversation at Pilgrim at Tinker Creek converted you. I had the page on watch after reviewing for either FAC or GA, can't remember now, and others for the same editor, who is now gone. Do you believe that conversation was worth losing a productive member of the project? Perhaps two? That conversation converted me too. But differently. Victoria (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Please don't think I liked it, nor did I say so. I said one statement in it converted me. - I am sorry we lost an editor whom I liked a lot, - I accompanied the article from DYK time when she had to expand A LOT to make the 5* expansion. - No discussion would be able to make me go, worse things were not able to make me go, - people are different, react differently, and written communication is more likely to be misunderstood than spoken. I took a comment to my heart the other day, - later discovered that it was meant to be joking. Then I read other discussions and think they can't be serious, - but they are. I just commented on collaboration, remembering The Call of the Wild, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I thought about it a bit more. I believe that a good idea doesn't stop to be a good idea because people died fighting for it or against it. - I will take this to the talk of "infobox", because others will have similar questions, and here it will get archived, - I hope that's ok? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] No, I'd prefer you didn't. I haven't responded because it was late last night and have been out today. I posted here because it's a personal question. I would have posted elsewhere if I'd wanted a meta-discussion and I've had enough of those to last a year. I hope you can understand. I'm thinking about the concept of allowing people to die for an infobox. Will get back to you. My kneejerk reaction is that we don't have enough editors on the ground to go around killing them, but I could be quite wrong about that. Thinking and will follow up later. Victoria (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] The question is now very general and not personal, is that acceptable? It IS a good question! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I don't have a concept of "allowing people to die" for whatever. But there are ideas that people become martyrs for. People died for Christianity of various denominations. Does it make Christianity a less valuable concept? - This is of course a bad example. The infobox is nothing to get passionate about, if you ask me, but I see people doing just that, - quite strange. I like to collaborate with editors from both sides ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'm sorry Gerda, I regret having started this. I don't feel well at the moment - as Giano says, I'm an unwell Wikipedian, and in this case I don't like having posts that I add in one place moved elsewhere. I believe there's something about that in policy but can't be bothered to look. You've answered and now I know. Victoria (talk) 22:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Don't regret, I try to understand. If you prefer the question not asked at all (it's without a name and shortened, I will remove it. My comments were moved to article talks many times, that's what I am used to. I hope you will feel better! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] ANI (Wagner talk page) Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Smerus (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] O Freunde, nicht diese Töne, - didn't you say you wanted to stop something, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Thanks so much for the award. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to do anything as awesome as the 1907 Tiflis Bank Robbery these days, but I try to keep helping out. Remember (talk) 17:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for St. Andreas, Düsseldorf DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Rudolf von Beckerath Orgelbau Started..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:21, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, will look, after watchlist and ANI, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Much of the article is not really relevant to the company though, it belongs in his biography...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] I would think it makes sense to split the two, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Alkan, for info Now up for FA. Best, --Smerus (talk) 12:59, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great! Will look. Was rehearsing B minor, will perform "Te lucis ante terminum" ( Balfour Gardiner) etc now, continue B minor tomorrow. - The last time I performed "O Freunde", the soloist improvised and got it all wrong ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Gerhard Faulstich DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 10:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you... ... for your kind words. You made my day! --Tone 16:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Template:Infobox musical composition I thought you may be helpful with clarifying the parameters of Template:Infobox musical composition. Hyacinth (talk) 10:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's on my to-do-list, please give me a day or two, - perhaps compare the better developed {{ Infobox Bach composition}}. Musical composition came from two sources, "Album" and the other, explaining the inconsistent naming of parameters, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Re: Precious Danke für die Blumen! That just made my day. :) De728631 (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] The kafkaesque process Thanks! I tried to rv Special:Contributions/76.115.190.75's Prozesses, but only got a couple and missed MOST of them. I'm unfamiliar with the spelling dispute, but if de:Der Process and en:The Trial agree, and both find it notable enough to mention in the intro, that's good enough for me.--R.S. Peale (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] It also shows on the cover of the first publication ;) - Welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Franz Kafka works DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Precious My precious Congratulations on the Franz Kafka TFA!! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Beautiful! Do you also give one to PumpkinSky? He also reached 100 DYK today with a triple, - you of all people would be the one to give him that award (I did 25) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Schauspielhaus Wuppertal nominate ) 16:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC) Kafka Congrats to you and Pumpkinsky - you must be very excited! You'll get lots of hits - I missed the Brothers Grimm 200th anniversary and to my surprise had a huge surge in page views. But I think it's brilliant that you've managed to get this to the front page today in conjunction with google's commemoration. I see a lot of people are tending too, which helps. Anyway, well done to the two of you! Victoria (talk) 16:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Victoria, I appreciate "a well done" from you who looked diligently and helped a lot. Actually, I am not excited, vandalism was moderate so far. Many of Kafka's works need improvement, - I did not quite get as far as I had hoped in that respect. At the moment I work on the opera Bluthochzeit, recently performed in the Opernhaus Wuppertal, which came with the Schauspielhaus just above, from one red link to the next ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I could spend more time than I care to think about working on Hemingway's works. At one time I thought I could finish them, but one loses interest and as you say moves from one red link to the next. I think the page is holding up very well - having TFA when the visual editor goes live is an awful combination. I had my first TFA the night pending changes went live and it wasn't a fun experience. Personally I dislike TFA, the reason I don't take as many articles to FAC as I should, but I really do think this was well thought out and reflects well on WP. Enjoy your other work. Victoria (talk) 16:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Let me not speak about the visual editor ;) (I made two edits, the first and the last.) Thanks for watching Kafka! - I like to work with live editors, Andy for the theatres and Voceditenore for the opera, very enjoyable company, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, congratulations on that Gerda. Well done! And thanks for listing me as coauthor of Kafka's works - I think my contribution was fairly marginal, not to mention unaware. Thanks and keep up the great work!User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Victoria and Maunus! It was a team effort for sure. PumpkinSky talk 22:20, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Treats! Treats! As a previous recipient of the Pony Prize, here is some sugar for your pony, recognizing Kafka at TFA. Ponies do not really need sugar because they are prone to be easy keepers, so this is a special treat, only given once! (Subsequent awards shall consist of carrots). Montanabw(talk) 16:53, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] To send a pony or a treat to other wonderful and responsible editors, click here. Franz Kafka all time top TFA!!! [13] 768,586 hits Wikipedia:Today's featured article/Most viewed WP:TOP25 YEE HAW, CONGRATS GERDA PumpkinSky talk 01:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wow! That is amazing!User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, Guten Morgen, input here please PumpkinSky talk 02:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Der Morgen ist gut! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: Franz Kafka works made the DYKstats, my first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DOUBLE CONGRATS! PumpkinSky talk 10:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wow that's impressive! I wonder why it had more hits than any though!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] didn't you use google yesterday? link to press on top of my user ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I use Firefox which has a search bar in the top right corner and have google books built into my wiki itinery and other websites like youtube and ebay I regularly are in the url bar section so no, I rarely see the home search page of google.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Unlike this Main page, the "doodle" appears on the top left of every (!) search, - read that article, it has a good image, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Congratulations to you both for this impressive result. I still say that this is one of the best FA's on the encyclopaedia. -- CassiantoTalk 11:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] thank you, that means a lot from you, writer of excellent ones, - plus you saying this about one with an infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I know! I had to go and have a lie down after saying that ;) Not even an infobox could ruin this one for me. -- CassiantoTalk 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Casasianto. We really appreciate that. I also think Yogo sapphire is quite good. PumpkinSky talk 11:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] It is. This article brings back fond memories for me. -- CassiantoTalk 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] "Logic may indeed be unshakeable, but it cannot withstand a woman who is determined to live. Where was the judge she had never seen? Where was the High Court she had never reached? She raised her hands and spread out all her fingers. But the hands of one of the men closed round her throat, just as the other drove the knife deep into her heart and turned it twice." Only kidding... congrats "Gerda K". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] "determined", yes (remember my red cat?) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Like Hugs! Montanabw(talk) 17:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] What, almost a million hits... How does that feel, Gerda? Drmies (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wow...*salute* Double sharp (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Karl-Ferdinands-Universität Greetings. I noticed an edit by you in this article, on 27 August 2012, that commented out a large block of text concerning the dispute over control of the university's insignia/emblem and the end of the university in the context of the Second World War. Reviewing the text that was commented out, it looks like it was machine-translated and could use copy-editing and the addition of citations. I intend to clean up the missing section in the next week or two and restore it to the article. My source for a better translation will come the German Wikipedia version of the article, supplemented by any citations I can locate. I'll let you know when I am done so that, if you wish, you can verify the accuracy of my translation. W. B. Wilson (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Very considerate, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hook needs work Please see bottom of DYK talk. Tony (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Incivility I have a question, Ms. Arendt. You say that you object to uncivil actions more than to uncivil words. What are uncivil actions on Wikipedia? Wikipedia is a verbal medium. What are uncivil actions? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Blocking, for example? Remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Do you mean that you were unfairly blocked, or that PumpskinSky was unfairly blocked, or what? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Also, when you wrote: "Woman speaking: I mind incivil action much more than incivil words", did you mean that some editors wouldn't know that Gerda is a female name? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, I have no time for this. Look at my actions and words and find the answers. (Thank you for quoting me correctly now, I said "mind", not "object", but was too tired to object last night,) In short: civility is more a matter of attitude than certain words. People (not talking anyone specifically, nor any block specifically) can be incivil using the politest words, and civil using rude words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Diplomacy You have plenty of barnstars, but I still don't think you receive the recognition that you deserve. Cheers! Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:19, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, appreciated, You made my day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you. Thank you for the recognition and my precious! EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I don't keep a record of past barnstars, but yours is my favorite one. SL93 (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I guess my record keeping will start from now. SL93 (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Keep going, a pleasure to meet you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Reverting my edits one after another You are going through my edits reverting them one after another. How many have you done now? I can't count them all. This is the latest one. [14]. There really is no valid reason for putting duplicate material on articles. Why not at least stop what you doing and explain why you think all these Verdi opera articles need two 95% identical navboxes? Or is it easier to edit war than to explain? I think it's sad that you should be doing this. Is this really what you intended to do when you started to contributed to Wikipedia — to edit war? --Kleinzach 07:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I just got tired of reverting. I didn't go through your edits by my watchlist. ("reverting ... one after another" seemed kind of familiar.) I will discuss on the project, as you should have done before making the changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] See Talk:Macbeth_(opera)#Two_navboxes_with_the_same_content. I have referred your other Verdi changes to that page. You might also like to check Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle which explains the process. It's not BRR as many people seem to think. --Kleinzach 08:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I replied Macbeth and all the others. I restored a template that someone else added in March, which you reverted without discussion. So? Central discussion on project opera, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Kleinzach, the reality is that most people, myself included, see nav boxes as a constructive way to connect articles on a given topic. Please stop irritating people with your pettiness towards navboxes and get on with something. If there isn't an option in preference to hide nav boxes there should be to suit editors such yourself you obviously don't like them.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Bluthochzeit nominate ) 08:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC) Lolita Good gracious! Why was I so nervous about asking you to look at the "controversies" of the Britten article! Though Humbert Humbert he wasn't. Your two opera articles are models of what such articles should be. Best, Tim riley (talk) 22:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Controversies? - Don't call the operas "my" articles, both are collaborations, as the opera house. I love it, what do you think of improving Falstaff? Gianni Schicchi is already FA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Germanic bodyguard Thanks Gerda - you're a tremendous encourager, like Barnabas! Bermicourt (talk) 07:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Men's parking space DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 08:19, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Barnstar for you The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar for being such a great encourager! Bermicourt (talk) 17:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, very kind, feels good, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Many thanks... ...for the Yogo Sapphire. It's nice to be appreciated! Markus Pössel (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Objection to your assertion that I deleted your comments I object strongly to your assertion, here [15]. Were you referring to my deletion of an infobox on a talk page, here [16]? If so why do you represent this as a deletion of 'comments'? I'd like an explanation please. --Kleinzach 10:32, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I replied already before I saw this note, with an explanation. You did not read carefully, I never said nor implied that you deleted my comments (plural). You deleted a substantial part of one comment. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] 'Comment' or 'comments' or 'message' or 'posting' — it's all the same thing. Where is the diff? Where is the proof I have deleted what you have written? --Kleinzach 11:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Diff as requested (and here is Gerda's original contribution which you dicked around with). As noted elsewhere (this is at least the third page on which you've raised the matter) you quite unambiguously deleted part of Gerda's contribution to that page (and have since denied doing so); you had no right to do so, I reverted you, and other editors, including but not only Gerda, have also called you out on it. As I've said elsewhere, it's beyond time you stopped trying to censor others' talk page contributions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I replied where you asked. If you really don't see a difference between "part of a comment" and "comments" I understand better why we sometimes don't understand each other. To help you: the former means one instance of a partial deletion, the other would mean a general tendency to delete comments, which I didn't say nor mean, but you seem to react as if I did, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I also described what I see here, as "possibly involved", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hi I noticed that the article Jodi Arias: Dirty Little Secret had recieved enough hits for DYKstats mention. But it had not been included. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 14:33, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great, do it. I trust that you will find out where to insert it. If it's more than 15k hits, it goes two places, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Infobox case request post Hi Gerda... Thanks for the thanks on the ArbCom case page, but what was it for? Did you just like my contribution, or ...? Sorry, but I'm confused. EdChem (talk) 10:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I liked your contribution, because I could not have written it better, both in wording and in my position, - well, I could make a list of the attributions I received in a few talks but don't want to look backwards, it's a waste of time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ok, thanks - it's always nice to hear that a contribution is appreciated.  :) EdChem (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] For more bemusement, you could (better not in the case) analyse the edit summaries of Wagner. Quite astonishing, that whole completely unnecessary discussion about an infobox meant to stay on the talk page, isn't it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Most of the thread was pointless, I wonder if I'd just find the edit summaries more depressing. EdChem (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] A question for brad, but I want to make sure I understand you first Gerda, I drafted a question to NewYorkBrad, but before asking his opinion, I realize one aspect of the question is my assumption about what you inferred, so I will pose it to you first. Newyorkbrad: One of the many brushfires in the infobox inferno is at the Wagner talk page where Gerda Arendt adds an infobox to the talk page, citing advice from you. While linked, the link go to an edit referencing you, but not to your original comment. I can imagine giving advice like you gave. However, my rationale would go something like this: "the Talk page is the right place to have the debate about whether an infobox should be included in the article. It is natural that the parties to the debate will want to see the proposed infobox, so they can debate the specific infobox, not some abstract version. Because the very existence in the article is contentious, it would be helpful to place the proposed infobox on the talk page, so that all parties can see it." However, I view this as a temporary placement. Once resolved, the infobox will be added to the article if that's how the consensus develops, and will roll off into the archive if it fails. However, when I read Gerda's statement, I get the impression that Gerda thought you were saying something like the following: "When articles cannot reach agreement whether an infobox should be included in an article, a solution is to permanently place the infobox on the talk page." Can you clarify what you meant by your advice? Can you let me know if I've understood you correctly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talk • contribs) I don't know what he said. I know that Nikkimaria referred to him as a source when she collected solutions on Ched's RfC. The diff is in the very first statement on Wagner. Once Wagner got a problem, she withdrew that one item. I need to go now for the day, actually more or less until Tuesday, hope this helps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I did see Nikkimaria's addition of a "possible solution", added, then removed. That text was: Place infoboxes on article talk instead of article where their inclusion is disputed (per NYB) However, it occurs to me that this statement (the original of which I have not located) is subject to more than one interpretation. One interpretation is that NYB suggests that, in the case of a dispute regarding whether an infobox belongs on an article, a solution is neither to place it on the article, nor to discard it, but to add it to the talk page, presumably in such a way that it is permanent, and not archived. I don't think that is what he meant, but I got the impression that you thought that is what he meant. I intend to ask him, but before I do, I wanted to see what you thought. No rush, this entire issue will take some tome to resolve, but as I think some of the problems arise from differing interpretations of the same set of facts, I thought I might start with a small item, and see if I could resolve whether your view of Brad's proposal matched his view, and to start that, I'd like to understand your view.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Voceditenore answered the question at my talk page You were right, and my supposition was wrong. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thank you for the thoughtful gift! Best regards,-- talk) 21:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Infobox/nav box disputes You are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Infobox/nav box disputes.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Alistair Hinton Hi Gerda!!! If you fancy a change from our standard arena, might you consider taking a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Alistair Hinton? This was left in the air by the editor who took it up on the unusual grounds (for a DYK) that it didn't have anything about its subject's personal life. Perhaps he thought composers are more like rock stars (?) - (some of them are, I suppose). It's only a little thing, but I'd like to get a second opinion on it, at least! Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] "Standard arena? Do you mean the "you were right" one mentioned above? - DYK, I will look later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Many thanks, Gerda!--Smerus (talk) 05:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Phew!!!--Smerus (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] The composition mentioned: 4.5 hours, the relaxed ban: 4 decades. Patience helps ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Carl Moritz (architect) Hidden!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Content counts ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Yvonne, Prinzessin von Burgund DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK count Don't worry about it, it isn't important. Read my notice at User:Dr. Blofeld/DYK. Whoever is worth anything on here knows what I put into articles. Above all I've always wanted to put out the message that content is more important than anything. I'll continue to update my personal list, and I thankyou for helping me update it at one stage, but I'll just list the articles not the hooks.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 07:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] "You" are a sourced key fact of Wikipedia, why not show it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Friedrich Meyer-Oertel.Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 17:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like "prayer" in your name, you grant almost before asked. If you look at Carl Moritz (architect), started by some Dr. you may know, there are some stubs the same created, theatres and a publication. I humbly ask for moar ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Staatstheater Mainz. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 21:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Infoboxes ArbCom case opened You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at 21 17:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, seen. I am new to this and a bit puzzled. The "case" lists the statements of those "involved", not the others. I responded to several others, those replies are out of context now. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] TFAR I updated the template, but someone reverted my update. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:09, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Mont Juic (suite) Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] TFAR Thank you, I've tweaked the blurb a little Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, that's what I hoped. Did you know that I picked the bird by its name? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks Thanks for the Wiki-birthday greeting. It is special coming from you. I fumble a few times but I try to correct things when I do. I am planning to do more content creation and DYK and considerably less counter-vandalism than I have done for several months. I have not been entirely absent from content and DYK. I have one pending. I did fumble the QPQ because even though the DYK was technically correct in all respects, another editor thought the hook was a truism and should be changed. I had to agree. Anyway, I thought I would give the recent changes patrol a try. I think I learned something as well as helping out in that area. Donner60 (talk) 22:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Of concern to you Is this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#A_Polish_Nobleman_in_Template:Did_you_know.2FPreparation_area_4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Is this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#A_Polish_Nobleman_in_Template:Did_you_know.2FPreparation_area_4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, thanks, helpful. I was bold and changed to the preferred hook, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I undid your hook change It is against the rules for a reviewer to accept their own hook, whether or not the nominator likes it. I don't appreciate Piotrus complaining about something that I would have got in trouble for doing. SL93 (talk) 12:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I responded on WP:TDYK. I was not "my own hook", only a rewording of the approved one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A rewording still makes it your hook. SL93 (talk) 12:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] We disagree, please ask BlueMoonset, and let's keep the discussion one place, the other one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Singing whales Thanks for stopping by with that note, Gerda. You always know just what to say. Enjoy your day at the beach (or the bay) and if you hear those whales, I hope you close your eyes and listen to the choir knowing they aren't ghosts at all. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 14:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for adding the choir, sounds great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Gormenghast (opera) Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Great article, I enjoyed reviewing it. I made a comment regarding the source. If you feel this is the superior hook, let me know. The statement in the article I found most compelling is Schmidt's realization, in relation to Gormenghast, that he no longer wished to be perceived as an avant-garde artist. Could you make a hook from that? All the best, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Article in need of expansion I thought Richard Breitenfeld would fall into your sphere of interest :-) Agathoclea (talk) 20:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] It does, thank you! - Did you see that I copied your comment on Die Feen to project opera, hoping it's ok with you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Staatstheater Mainz Since I have relied on Google translation in the above article do you think that they are in order. Can it be posted on DYK? Rosie has also added some text. If you don't mind can you post it as you have made very useful editing? Thanks--Nvvchar. 16:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I found it ok, just wondered if the English Wikipedia needs all that detail. Please nominate yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: I sang the Brahms Requiem there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hi Gerda. A friendly FYI that Staatstheater Mainz is nomed here: Template:Did you know nominations/Staatstheater Mainz. How lovely that you sang at this very theater. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good hook! My choir (no article yet for that one) helped the Mainz Choir. If you haven't done so already make the orchestra a redirect and find links. I remember the very old conductor, retired already but on "one concert a year", this going to be his last, saying about dress: "I would love to see you all in white." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Gormenghast (opera) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Don Carlos / Don Carlo Thanks for your note on my revisions. It is coincidental that, while I'd been working on these revisions for a while in my sandbox, I saw your note today on the article's talk page so thought I ought to get it up. In its original form, it needed a lot of sorting out to figure out the sequencing, but I think that it now makes more sense. Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] It does, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Mont Juic (suite) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Orlady (talk) 00:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Fatinitza DYK I've added a ref. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] How reliable, the chronology? Gerda, this section contains a chronology of Bach's cantatas. How reliable is the timing of the earlier ones (Muhlhausen, Weimar)? It would be nice to pin them down WRT tracking his compositional development. There are no ref-tags. Tony (talk) 05:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] As the beginning says: relies on Dürr, and is only to give an idea of a cantata being early or late, one of the cycles or not. Go ahead, add a sentence about the questions being handled in each cantata. Some questions will be open for ever, I'm afraid. Just see BWV 147a. Nothing left. We will not know how much he composed in Weimar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Analysing ink, paper, handwriting, could turn up more in the future. And fine-grained musical analysis could give clues. There's always hope. Tony (talk) 08:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Those are the questions which will be covered in the single cantatas. If something changes, the sequence will change. (You can keep watching, too.) BWV 147a would have to be found first to do ink analysis. - I am the last to lose hope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Have you read the amazing book by an American musicologist who forensically analyses Bach's manuscripts? Published in the mid-70s, I think, name might begin Sch...??? ... but try as I might, I've never been able to relocate the book details, author's name, despite having borrowed it from the USyd library in the late 70s. You don't have any leads, do you? Tony (talk) 11:06, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] no, sorry, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Friedrich Meyer-Oertel DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Karl Heinz Stroux DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Mega-Templates - Mozart & Beethoven Based on your recent suggestion for a "collapsible" type of mega-template for Mozart in a recent Mozart Template Discussion, I created a "Collapsible Version" Mozart Mega-Template - and a similar "Collapsible Version" Beethoven Mega-Template - if interested, and if possible, your comments on the talk pages about the newly created templates would be appreciated - thanks in any regards - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Cyberiada (opera) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Orlady (talk) 05:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Carl Moritz (architect) Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Prioryman (talk) 10:47, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Düsseldorfer Schauspielhaus DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hi Gerda can you help Hi Gerda, I was just trying to make a small edit and it seemed that the entire format for editing had changed. Or so it seems, but not in this present page (ie your talk page) apparently. Rather than give up and scrap my user page (my initial reaction) I thought I would just ask. The page I wanted to edit is Wonersh. Attempting to edit I just get a horrid frame round the text and no instructions as to how to enter references etc. Has someone introduced a vile and idiotic reform? or is it just a private malfunction? Personally I work by the old axiom - 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Gad it's hot, best wishes and hope you are keeping in tune, Eebahgum (talk) 22:31, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] The so-called reform is called Visual Editor (VE). You can do two things to edit normally: you go to your preferences and disable it, or you find a button (right of "edit") saying something like "edit source" and click there. (I disabled it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! I got there in the end. Have just been singing in Wales. Adapting to change becomes more difficult as time passes! Regards Eebahgum (talk) 21:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK-Good Article Request for Comment Did you know ... that since you expressed an opinion on the GA/DYK proposal last year, we invite you to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the matter? Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Regards, Gilderien Chat|What I've done23:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, watchlisted, will look later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Die Hamletmaschine (opera) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Orlady (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Thank you for the kind comments! You do great work as well! Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, also for being gentle on the ladies' toes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Fatinitza You know, it's sort of weird to be doing article content again. Used to do it all the time, but went off it after some bad experiences. But, now that those experiences are so far behind, it's great to feel the self-confidence boost of knowing you've probably made a better article on a subject than could be found anywhere else on the web. =) Amazing how it comes back. Heh. And you know the best part? I did the Fatinitza article purely because I found that Fatinitza poster, and wanted to be able to nominate it at FPC. But once I started writing, well, I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so couldn't really let myself do anything that I didn't feel was reasonably good. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Opernhaus Wuppertal DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Orlady (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I just noticed this in the DYK rules ... Sounds: Sounds accompanying the DYK hook should have similar qualities to pictures, and should be formatted using {{DYK Listen|filename.ogg|Brief description}} !! I think this has potential ... --Gilderien Chat|What I've done 00:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Staatstheater Darmstadt Hello! This is to let you know that I have approved the DYK for your article Staatstheater Darmstadt, but with one suggestion: that one of the reference citations should be placed right on the sentence which contains the hook. (In fact, you might want to spread your three citations throughout the article, instead of clustering them all in one place.) Otherwise, good to go, and congratulations on your interesting article. --MelanieN (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, I will work on it, it will grow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Excellent. About the reference citations: some people like to see (and a few people even insist on) a minimum of one citation per paragraph. Of course you can use the same reference over and over; just cite it in more than one place. Sorry, I see you already know that. --MelanieN (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] (ec) I know. Please give me a day or two, - collecting arbcom evidence will end tomorrow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Staatstheater Mainz DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Orlady (talk) 08:03, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Why? Why would you even think this [17]? Or post it? I've said on my page that as long as there's a sick tag there (it's still there!) I won't become involved [18]. Do you see a compelling reason to drag me in? If so, I think it's best explained so I can pull together a statement before the deadline passes. Thanks. Victoria (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I saw your comment and replied there, awfully sorry. I am happy to see that Victoria doesn't hold a argument that Truthkeeper offered in the Bach discussion. - You are not involved, I just collected the typical opposes, and tried to model them after real opposes, not come up with OR. - I see how Andy is treated who has a sick-tag on his talk, and the one person to inquire about it was Tim riley who deserves high praise for thinking of a person first, regardless on which side of an argument. I wish you both good health, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nonetheless, not for the first time you've now made a post I made be out of context. I'd like you to rectify properly as this is part of an arbitration case. You've misrepresented what Truthkeeper/Victoria said (I am the same person), and what I said in that diff is the entire basis for the Visual Editor - to remove code from the edit window, and I try hard to keep unnecessary coding out of articles I work on. However, I have not removed infoboxes on that basis, and never would. Please provide evidence of when I've ever removed an infobox from a music article, with supporting diffs, if this is representative of a "typical oppose". Please do not conflate me with Andy Mabbit. He is a party to the case; I am not. Whether one editor comments on the health of another is entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Unfortunately this is writing the evidence for me - and I really really had wanted to stay out. I see it as baiting. Victoria (talk) 15:08, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am sorry. I never suggested that you removed an infobox, where's the misunderstanding? An "oppose" is not a "remove". How could I provide a diff. If I misrepresented, kindly represent yourself better. I am further sorry that I can't rectify better, - this is my first time at arbcom and I am not familiar with the procedure. I am sorry that I don't understand anything about the VE, - I have it disabled. I am sorry to have mentioned health, - I did only because you mentioned it first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] So removing an infobox and then making a snide reference to "a more workable manner" isn't removing it on the basis of "code in the editing window" or in articles? Andy Mabbit is not a a party to the case. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Well gee... Never thought I'd be 'missed'. I didn't leave, per say, I just stopped making edits and removed most non-articles from my watch list. Just got sick of all the really stupid things that went on everywhere, (which I granted contributed too, especially my previous last edit), especially certain editors who seem to get away with ruining perfectly good articles because they have an adminbit or just happen to edit a lot, and decided not to bother any more...even to revert obvious vandalism. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good to here your voice! You are missed ;) - You could join my red cat (see bottom of my user), to make more music together, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you That was unexpected and a lovely surprise, thanks. Guy (Help!) 10:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Likewise, finding your "help" and apology (when I read it first a while ago I asked friends how to understand "bloke") ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Staatstheater Darmstadt nominate ) 16:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Hello my dearest German colleague Gerda will you please review my post here:http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:John_Cline and tell me if It makes any sense, and perhaps provide an answer. Here or there is fine but I am curious if Google translator came through for me or not. Thank you.  :)  John Cline (talk) 23:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Replied there, it's pictured here on my user, look for "this damned mess must stop", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Georg Solti Check the talk page, re: infobox.-- talk) 15:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Nuff, thanks. In case it's not nuff, here's a list of debated infoboxes, without / with / with shortened and/or collapsed. Should be easy to look at those which have "present" or "side navbox" in the "without" column. How much more attractive Carmen would have looked "with" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] "The music of the spheres is heard distinctly over Milk Wood..." http://listen.hatnote.com/ --Shirt58 (talk) 12:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Query "also by you in two cases". Which ones? Folantin (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Why don't you go to the tables? Götterdämmerung and Das Liebesverbot, the latter developing to an edit war I don't want to be part of. - Anybody telling me any advantage of the side navbox can teach me something new.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] O dear, what did I do now? This page is viewed much more than the infobox talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Please point out my contributions to those two articles and their related talk pages. -- Folantin (talk) 11:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Where would I have addressed you? I was talking to Smerus, but clarified now, to prevent others misunderstanding also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Verdi articles Thanks for your comments, Gerda. I've no problem with you or your discussions (just can't get involved...!!) but I did want him/her to know that this wasn't some conspiracy going on. The coincidence was only that you noted an improvement at the same time that I pulled my updates from my sandbox....All the best, John in Santa Fe, aka:Viva-Verdi (talk) 22:48, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Viva Verdi! I hope you liked the recent presentation of the Santa Fe Opera? A picture of the interior would be preferable ;) (and an article on the composer). - Translating Santa Fe, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Carl Moritz (architect) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Alex ShihTalk 16:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re:Precious Thank you very much! :) —Midgrid(talk) 18:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Contentious Hey Gerda, you've said in a few different places that some edits are not "contentious". I'm wondering whether there is perhaps a difference in how we understand that word. Can you explain how you would define "contentious" (in general, not with reference to any particular case)? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] As I understood it - I may be wrong - it means that people have very different opinions about a contentious thing. I thought (back to example, easier for me), that everybody would agree that an infobox on an opera is simply and almost objectively better than a duplicated navbox in the "wrong" position leading away from the article in question. I was wrong. I thought that there was nothing debatable about an infobox on a church, - single fields yes, but not the whole thing. Wrong. - If there is a better word for what I described, please tell me, I only used this one because others used it, and I am not sure now if I interpreted it right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Okay, so there is a language thing, just not the one I thought there was - "contentious" is the right word, but is used with the wrong verb. You say, for example "Infoboxes in operas are not contentious", but we can see from multiple cases that some people do have very different opinions about their use, right? So what I think you mean is that they should not be contentious, or that you don't understand why they would be contentious, not that they aren't. Does that make sense? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, thanks, I understand better, I should have said "I didn't expect them to be contentious" or "I see no reason for them to be contentious". Waiting for input on the workshop talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am routinely amazed that Gerda's English is often clearer and more understandable than a lot of the native speakers around here! Her search for precision and full understanding is also to be admired! Montanabw(talk) 17:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] And I'm routinely amazed by Gerda's gewissenhaftigkeit! (um, is that right, Gerda?) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, both! I like that, it's a nice pun also, "Gewissenhaftigkeit" is diligence first of all, "Gewissen" is "conscience", "gewiss" is "sure", and how I sure have a good conscience as the ally of the banned and - as some think - best to be banned is my secret and strength ;) Reach consensus! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Just a note to say thank you for the "awesome Wikipedian" award! Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Bach trip I mentioned last year my plan: September I really am going to Leipzig, then seven days driving around and staying in Thuringia. This old website was very useful. I emailed the author (a Dutch academic) to thank him, and within half an hour he'd replied. Nice. Tony (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great! Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] German question Hi Gerda, someone has been spamming this message all over the place. Does it make any sense or is it just general nonsense/trolling? Mark Arsten (talk) 19:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] As far as I can understand his German it is that apparently the German Wikipedia has got it wrong somehow. So even if it is not total rubbish it is an S.E.P. and can be safely deleted from the talkpages in question. If the trouble continues I recommend contacting @DerHexer: as he might be aware of a previous trackrecord at that IP range at deWiki. Agathoclea (talk) 20:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ok, thanks for the info. Asking DerHexer sounds like a good idea. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] It says that Apollo 11 can't have happened due to calculations. No source, OR, I would say, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Certainly a longterm issue which is not limited to de & en accourding to this Agathoclea (talk) 21:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] But not as old as the Infobox wars (2005, according to reliable sources) ;) - Did you see "The Ban on Love? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] A ban on love seems a likely outcome of the Arbcom case... but if this guy has been going on about Apollo 11 since 2008 it looks like I might have to semi protect for longer. Thanks everyone! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ban on love or Götterdämmerung, Wagner has good titles for such things. You know how to tell that the end of civilization is near? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] "It's a box, Jim, but not as we know it". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Or as a great artist commented the end of Götterdämmerung: "Weialeialaleialalei. (sung) You're exactly where you started, 20 hours ago!" (or 25 acts, or 8 years). "I'm not making this up, you know!" (This phrase also became the title of her autobiography, published in 1985.) - An infobox is as redundant as a book cover. Paraphrasing "Siegfried, tired of love on the rocks with Brunhilda ..." - I am a bit tired of saying such simple things again and again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] lol, yes, know what you mean.... ..love on the rocks with Brunhilda - that's "precious"! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] It's also part of that delightful half hour, a must! Another "Mr. and Mrs. Wotan have an argument." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] "One bold edit for a Wikipedian, one great improvement for Wikipedia-kind". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Johann Julius Hecker Gerda, in connection with a WP:CFD discussion, I expanded the stub about German educator Johann Julius Hecker, who looks like a very important historical figure in his field. I figure that you may (or may not) want to make improvements to the article or the DYK nomination for it. --Orlady (talk) 21:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Subheadings for people Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes#Occupations of people. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I joined the discussion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Talk:Fortspinnung#Meaning of Fortspinnung (form)? Gerda, your classical music knowledge and understanding of the German language may be the perfect combination for this question. If you feel like looking at it, I would appreciate it. LazyStarryNights (talk) 18:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for the Precious Award Thanks for the precious Award! I'll definitely work on other articles for sure. Thanks again. Prashant 09:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Süddeutscher Rundfunk (radio) Hallo / hello Gerda, I am happy that someone takes a look at the article of SDR (and SWF). Today, I wanted to make some changes, putting the Südwest 3-thing more to the bottom, so that the article really has Süddeutscher Rundfunk near the top. I saw your edit: 13 August 2013‎ Gerda Arendt . . (5,876 bytes) (-24)‎ . . (it can't mean radio) and clearly, it is surprising, but I am sure that it was right, I looked it up at dict.cc. Funk ~ radio, in any direction, German-English, English(by radio)-German(per Funk). And even German-German, it came to my mind this moment that there had been a program called "Funkstunde", and this word Funk-Stunde made it clear that they produced an hour in/at/for the "Radio"=Hörfunk. But please, if you look at the article again, you will find mistakes like poor style or wrong "Binde-Striche" (hyphens) and wrong prepositions in "my" English. So this would improve this article, if you did some changes there. "Liebe Grüße" --Schwab7000 (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC) Beispiele: by / via radio = per / über Funk; to radio sth. [signal, message] = etw. funken [Signal, Nachricht]; a/the radio (TV, radio or telecom.) = Radio {n}, Funk {m}, Funkgerät {n} [reply] Thanks for clarifying some confusion between radio in English and Radio in German ;) - the article could use some work - including a split, but I have much more than I can handle at present, including an arb case (my first), leider ;) - Both stations should be mentioned in a lead = lede = summary, bold for the redirects, with years of operation, I trust that you can do that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: you would not say "(radio)" but "(broadcaster)" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hello, I hope your first arb case is not very bad, but this, I do not understand, and ARB is not helpful. Finance or Medicine or sth. else? (I just say this to understand an expression ...) But I think of radio as this box, as in "Listen to the radio" or "Turn your radio on", both songs I heard on SDR1 (and SWF1). And an "elderly" German quotation on famous people was: "Bekannt von Presse, Funk und Fernsehen." --Schwab7000 (talk) 12:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] There was a real confusion or Unklarheit (un-clarity) about a German expression, because quite many used Rundfunk as if it meant only radio (the word is Hörfunk), and then saying "Ich habe das im Rundfunk oder im Fersehen gehört) / I heard it on the Rundfunk or on the TV. (Best wishes, ~~Schwab7000~~) "Radio" seems more the actual receiving device to me, and we have articles such as ORF (broadcaster), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Photo(*) of "Funk-Haus" in that article: Funkhaus Wien: today chiefly a centre for the production of radio programmes But with (*)"Foto" I'm totally uncertain/unsafe/unsure: If I wanted to use a different word instead of photo, then →image or →picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwab7000 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nothing needed. Picture of a person: name of that person and a date. Picture of a building: name of that building and a year, - no need to state the obvious ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Kaiserjäger Hi Gerda. Thanks - yes I agree and this seems to be the usual name in English sources. I've done a cut and paste move because the history of both pages was negligible. --Bermicourt (talk) 12:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] It wouldn't let me move it over the redirect, because I'd already changed the redirect to point from Imperial and Royal Kaiserjäger. Otherwise it would have worked fine. If there'd been more history on my article I would have called in an admin. BTW are you an admin? --Bermicourt (talk) 12:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] BTW it's the middle of the day - aren't you working?! ;) --Bermicourt (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Answer for both questions ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you from Thryduulf It is always nice to be appreciated, and being called "awesome" is a good thing to wake up to :) Thryduulf (talk) 07:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I remember the feeling, August 2010 ;) - I recently saw several of your comments and thoughts that I liked! Do you have words for this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I do, but in the interests of civility I shall not be sharing most of them. "Unhelpful" and "obstructionist" are two that are printable, but I'll not be sharing them there at the moment as I do not wish to get involved in any debates about infoboxes until at least the arbitration case concludes. You may wish to ask for an explanation of those points though so that you can rebut them factually. Thryduulf (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for a new term: "obstructionist"! I collect words, did you know? Not a native speaker of English, I have some above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Team tag-teaming which I regard as a serious and unwarranted attack on my integrity as an editor. I had thought that you understood my principles better than this; do not confuse my behaviour with that of others who disagree with me. I express my own opinions; if others agree with me that is of course gratifying, but I have not , in any way, incited them to support me. Indeed my messages to WP Classical music and WP Composers were strictly neutral and informative. I have never involved myself in tag-teaming, and as it happens I have never previously had any contact with User:Alfietucker or (as far as I know) with the anonymous editor (whoever he or she is). I should be grateful for an apology.--Smerus (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I haven't accused you. I said it "looks like" a team (not even mentioning "tag"). You will notice the difference. I apologize for not making this clear enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, to say that 'it looks like' implies in English that you think 'it is'. I would appreciate it if you would clearly post on the page where you made this accusation that you accept that ths was not the case.--Smerus (talk) 14:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I did not make an accusation but will clarify, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Smerus, haven't you read "don't template the regulars?" This is an example of your attempts at intimidation and failure of AGF toward Gerda. I am going to mention this at Arbcom in a moment. .. done. Montanabw(talk) 22:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, Smerus, I slept. I didn't report to Arbcom a single diff against (!) anybody, intentionally so. Looking at the PD, that was a mistake, and if there will be victim I will feel guilty. - Thank you for your support of my infobox for the Eighth. Should we call it a different name, for example "summary concept", to make it palatable, as a tool, not a weapon? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Gerda! @Montanabw - terribly sorry, my old friend, I was only copying what Andy Mabbett did to me - (see my talk page) - I had been told by others that he was experienced in this sort of thing, but I guess I have learned better!--Smerus (talk) 06:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Well Smerus, two things, one is that he apparently did use a template and it was about a WP:Legal concern, so of a different nature than your simply expressing a difference of opinion. Second, if we argue (which I don't, but for the sake of this discussion) that Andy was in error, since when do two wrongs make a right? Your response to the two things posted on your page (your single word answer, "bollocks") says much for your attitude, which I think would benefit from an adjustment in the direction of a more collaborative outlook with more assumption of good faith and fewer personal attacks. JMO... Montanabw(talk) 17:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Dearest Montana, do grow up. And take a look at wht the arbs had to say about the ludicrous 'legal' complaint made against me by Rexss when he followed his leader. And if you want to whinge about me, do it on my page, not on Gerda's. If Gerda wants to report me for intimidation or anything else, she doesn't need your protection or advice.--Smerus (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] "Grow up"? From the person who responded to an Arbcom notice with "bollocks"? Really. Look in the mirror, my dear friend. Sheesh. But if you are forming a truce with Gerda, then more power to you and I will be glad if that happens. Montanabw(talk) 23:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Dear Gerda, I think your suggestion for Sib 8th was a nice one. But it's neither an infobox nor a 'tool' in my opinion, rather simply a good way of using a photo at the head of an article with some interesting text. I see that Brian would prefer without - so be it. For myslef (who also loves the 1939 image), I could envisage a series of such relatively simple pix at the head of each symphony, each with a pic of the composer at that era and with a shortish text giving some of the background. I will try to think of a series of articles where this might be appropriate and not stir up any aggro. Best, --Smerus (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Smerus, you just made my day, did you know? - As for "reporting", I am determined not to, see above. But it troubles me that the Rite of Arb seems to require a victim. - I have a true story for you: Friends came with their seven-year-old daughter, sorry that this girl didn't eat vegetables. She got corn-on-the-cob and liked it, - nobody had labelled it "vegetable". - Btw: Andy has an article on the Main page, see above, the first British victim of World War I, shot before the UK entered the war. I didn't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] OK,as Brian seems to have accepted the pic for Sibelius 8, take a look at Symphony No. 1 (Sibelius) where I have added a similarly 'informative' pic - mind you, the article is terrible and needs revamping.--Smerus (talk) 13:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] And now Symphs 2 and 5 as well. The Symph 2 article is also useless and needs a revamp. Symph 5 rather better, but also needs work.--Smerus (talk) 11:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Also see Robert le diable, with an experimental 'opera-specific' picture in the template and a pic of the compser at around thetimehe wrote it.--Smerus (talk) 14:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Also see my message below (tree), - I am debating with myself if I can reasonably support this projects any longer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: Rehashing I suppose I would have hoped that all the parties in the case could avoid perpetuating the issues that brought on the arbitration for at least the duration of the case. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 13:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Agree, but see the two items above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank-you! Gerda, thank-you for beautiful gemstone "awesome Wikipedian" award! I like how you go around spreading happiness to other Wikipedians. —Prhartcom (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Symphony No. 1 (Raff) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: Split article? Hi Gerda, I've done all the splitting correctly, I hope. Graham87 08:40, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great! Will take it from there later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: Precious Hi, thank you so much for the award! And thanks for digging up my famine events article... that was so long ago! Haha. Best wishes. Alex ShihTalk 06:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are so welcome! Did you know, Wikipedia never forgets ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Kammerorchester Basel DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Alex ShihTalk 00:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Precious Thank you, Gerda, for the "Precious" you have put on my user talk page. As you know I am all more than 50 years a Bruckner-fan[19].--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] A tree for you! Pine-Trees and the Sky: Evening Then from the sad west turning wearily, I saw the pines against the white north sky, Very beautiful, and still, and bending over Their sharp black heads against a quiet sky. And there was peace in them; and I Was happy, and forgot to play the lover, And laughed, and did no longer wish to die; Being glad of you, O pine-trees and the sky! Rupert Brooke Thank you, makes this a holiday! I cherish the tree further up - safe from archiving - and I loved the music on the hill of my page. Are you ready for a game? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Had a quick talk 15:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC) A forest![reply ] I wish it was playground. It's about banning an excellent content editor for the reason that some find him "intimidating", - if you ask me: just because he has the better arguments, very intimidating indeed. I thought arbitration had to do with trying to find a solution between parties in battle, I really did. More experienced users corrected my innocent belief. "And there was peace in them", - not in me now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gott ist mein König, BWV 71 Did you mean to end up with this sequence of edits? I thought I read somewhere that you had a self-imposed rule not to re-add infoboxes where their addition was challenged, but I may have misunderstood you or missed a conversation about this particular one: you add an infobox (20th Aug) infobox is removed "rm infobox pending consensus for this change via discussion on Talk. Thanks!" (21st Aug) you re-add the infobox (22nd Aug, talk page is blank, can't see a discussion about this issue anywhere else). BencherliteTalk 22:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] My time is limited. I added an infobox to an article by an author who likes them. A different author removed it, but not only that, also replaced the image of Bach's autograph by one of the first edition. I missed a conversation. - I did NOT re-add the infobox, I only inserted a title showing the uninitiated reader at a glance that the bulk of German of the title is a cantata by Bach, with links I think are helpful. More important: I re-added Bach's autograph, keeping the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ah, so you added a different infobox the second time - without a discussion - re-adding much of the same information as before, but this time merely as hidden comments (for now?). If you really think that this sort of behaviour is the best use of your time when infobox-related sanctions are being discussed in an Arbcom case, then that's up to you. I really wish you found other, more productive things to do than this sterile row over infoboxes. BencherliteTalk 23:24, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Please see the section above, and the top of this page, it's a prayer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:31, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] See discusion on the talk, started now (I really was too tired after midnight.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! I wished to thank you for your kind sapphire and words! It's certainly nice to be appreciated, and it's an honour to receive it from such a nice editor like yourself. Feel free to page me if you need any favours. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! It's certainly nice to be called nice, where others think I need to be restricted and a friend needs to be banned, Kafka? Kafkaesque, Teh Judgment, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Lautten Compagney DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Message Gerda, thanks for the message. Yes, we have done quite a few in collaboration with Dr. B and Rosiestep for achieving my milestone DYK 1000 award. Mysore mallige (used in making the famous perfume Chanel No. 5 in 2007 for which my state of Karnataka, India is famous. I am the first non native English speaking user to do so. Incidentally, you may like to contribute to this Bulgarian wedding music which I have started today.--Nvvchar. 05:49, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Sounds lovely! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Did you see may prayer about love on top? ... and our attempt for peace and reconciliation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Bulgarian wedding music, eeks it really isn't lovely Gerda!! It's bizarre, strange time signatures!! Hope you are well!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] No, I am not well, I'm bizarre and strange, see above (tree) and in the Signpost. Every editor is a human being. Look at the attempt right above, for a reason. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Infoboxes again?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are so wise ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I'm not sure if I can help, but you have my support, Gerda. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Don't miss the link to "peace and reconciliation" on my user page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Frustrated, sick Hi Gerda. After reading a few of your comments on various arbitrators' talk page, I'm a little worried about you, and would suggest – with great respect – that you take a few days off from Wikipedia. This place isn't worth the stress! With every best wish, [•] 17:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] AGK, a LOT of us feel rather frustrated and sick at heart. Montanabw(talk) 18:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] AGK, thanks for the advice. Please note that I wrote about frustration 22 August. It's much worse today, but I don't have words for it. "In te speravi" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sadly, I am flooded with words; words I can not ponder to write lest I also become ill. Though things are in fact, worse than they appear, the burden is not yours to carry alone. I insist that you allow me to share that burden and promise that upon your gaze, you will see me, toiling aside you until words are no more. :)  John Cline (talk) 22:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, John. I heard music. Remember your black barnstar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: Andy told me not to behave as if he was banned --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, the Doncram Arbcom case resulted in "editor probation" and a ban on new-page creation in article space for Doncram. Any notion why that sort of thing couldn't happen for Pigs/Andy? --Orlady (talk) 04:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Profeti della Quinta nominate ) 00:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC) Million Award I've been slow to follow up on your comment at PumpkinSky's page, but you're right--even without the main page appearance, Kafka comes in at just over a million. Which means I get to give one of favorite Wikipedians--that's you--one of these, too! The Million Award For your contributions to bring Franz Kafka (estimated annual readership: 1,002,000) to Featured Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers. -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks a "million" for all you do here. It's a much better place thanks to your presence! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Fantastic! Binksternet (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you so much, made my day! This is the first userbox ever that I will use! - My user page is designed differently, feel free to follow the links in the image, - thank you, Khazar, you did it! (For those who don't know: I am proud of editor retention, and won Khazar twice! Looking at the results, that may have been the best I did here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] My pleasure, and thanks! You definitely get to count me. -- Khazar2 (talk) 06:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] You will like the ensemble mentioned just above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I do! -- Khazar2 (talk) 06:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Need a German speaker Hi Gerda, long time no see. How do you feel about poetry? I'm trying to work on Der Busant, but I don't speak German. Could you help? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes if you can wait. You can look for my name in the arb case, or just above. - project opera archived 17.000 words yesterday, and I simply said that I don't get passionate about infoboxes but people. Well, you know that, "Standing Strong". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Alright, thanks. I've exhausted all English sources I can find, and Drmies has helped with some German sources. I'm sorry to hear about this ArbCom case, though to be honest I've avoided it the best I can. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I know many most reasonable people who reasonably stay away, - It makes sense but I keep standing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I haven't looked today, for the peace of my mind. You will not get "involved" if you follow the two links, the first taking you to a discussion where you can say from the viewpoint of a reader if in an opera article you would prefer to see a side navbox or an infobox, the second even easier: you can simply sign my hope to continue collaboration with Andy, for things like peace and reconciliation on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I looked at the poem, interesting. What would you like me to do? I would add a time to the pic cap? I would also add the unspeakable thing, because - as The Rite of Spring looks like a painting, this looks like about a tapestry ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] I was just wondering if you'd be willing to check out some of the German sources available in Google books, see if there is significant information (like an estimate of the year?). LOL at the tapestry; yes, have not found a scan of the manuscript. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Your source #2 has "early 14th century", and this has "In der mittelhochdeutschen Versnovelle Der Busant (Der Bussard) eines unbekannten elsässischen Autors aus dem 14. Jahrhundert" - without a source. - so: "middle high German" (?), "rhymed novella" (?), "unkown author from Alsace", things to search for, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Trees a new message at ColonelHenry's talk page. SP comment Hi, I've heard a rumour that Neotarf is offline for at least a few days due to circumstances not under that editor's control Tony (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, Tony, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply] Bacon thanks Thanks for your kind words about my recent successful GA, FA, TFA contributions to Everything Tastes Better with Bacon. I really appreciate it. It's nice to know that my quality improvement projects on this website are appreciated and acknowledged. Thanks again, — Cirt (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I thank you! An article starting with "Everything Tastes Better" sends the mood to positive, - a great asset! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Elgar Cello Concerto Greetings, dear Gerda. I have put a bomb under your info-box, but you won't be astonished at that. But really, it didn't add anything of use and made the top right image irritatingly small. With all my respect and affection, as ever, Tim riley (talk) 19:06, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Dear Tim, I am not surprised. Be careful using terms as "bomb", - irony is not easily detected in written conversation, and "battleground mentality" actually used, as "(mental) health". Redundancy is no valid argument, you know that much, right? If the pic size is a concern, it can be easily adjusted, but with caution, for readers with different interests and displays? - I was elucidated today. - Btw, I had the great pleasure to hear the concerto, look at the top if you missed it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Ben Gunn (campaigner) nominate ) 08:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC) Your potential admonishment I've been dipping in and out of the ArbCom case you're involved in, and if I were a betting man I'd say it's quite likely that you'll be admonished (what a strangely pretentious word that is). Anyway, I just popped in to say that if you are, don't take it too seriously. I know from personal experience how difficult it is to see yourself being discussed for weeks on end, often unfairly, without any effective redress, so keep your chin up. Eric Corbett 15:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Eric, you know it of all people ;) - I left the two projects where controversy is seen and where I damage the atmosphere. - Ched left, THAT is what I take seriously. He started the case, he saw it go in the opposite direction from what he may have hoped, we never blamed him, - now I miss him. Don't miss our latest DYK, in the box on top, "peace ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gosh, I hadn't seen that Ched's buggered off, what a shame. Eric Corbett 15:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Tell him his talk, please. I was physically sick three times on Wikipedia, when BarkingMoon left, when I thought Andy had been banned (forgive me, - turned out that my math was too simple), and when I saw the red links on Ched's name today. There was a time when his user page proclaimed that I was the reason for him to stay. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] To be perfectly honest Gerda I'm not sure I'd encourage anyone to remain here, or even to register as a member. It seems quite clear that the Dark Lord has won the battle of WP, largely using the ridiculous civility policy as a subterfuge. The analogy with the recent Internet law enacted in Vietnam is inescapable. Eric Corbett 15:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nor would I. But I could tell him that I miss him. I have three red cats now, will rival Floq some day. How did you like our DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I can tell him that privately. As for DYK, I've got no time for it, a complete waste of space. Eric Corbett 16:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I told him both ways. - DYK: in general you are right, but this one is good for a point of irony, - I was accused of pointed edits several times, this is it (not mine, - look for author, subject and message) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] There's a time to regroup, but never give up! While the place currently seems to be run by out of control children, it isn't. Can't be letting the dark side of the force troll on unimpeded. Sometimes strategic retreat to fight again another day is advisable, though. Montanabw(talk) 21:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hold Your Head Up, Hold your head high. This too shall pass. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I hold my head up: Andy will stay with us, "She shall drink of the brook in the way, therefore shall she lift up his head." (paraphrasing Psalm 110) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, these events are best ignored. I don't think it helps to seek more clarification. I am very aware that you have a passionate interest in classical music, including the works of Buxtehude and Bach. That is what counts. Even in secondary matters like infoboxes, which I find useful in some places and not in others, I found you reasonable and accommodating. In Handel House Museum and the Hanover Square Rooms (at one time the main concert hall In London, but sadly demolished in 1900). Music is the thing, the rest is fairly meaningless. Please keep up the good work. Regards, Mathsci (talk) 08:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Amen ;) - I said before that I am not passionate about infoboxes, but people, and am happy that we can continue together, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] For someone who claims not to be passionate about infoboxes, you spend a hell of a lot of your time pushing them and have done so even when the Arbcom case has been in progress: BencherliteTalk 08:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] What did you miss? I left projects classical music and opera, the areas of conflict. If I added an infobox you could simply revert it, and now I will not even add one. If I ask about an infobox - TFA day or another - you can just say no, or yes. Collecting diffs to defend Andy (trying to show that I am the one to better restrict) is bookkeeping, not passion. Thanks for your time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: I happen to prefer Inno delle nazioni to Rigoletto, and the infobox is not by me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, the gesture of leaving those two projects is utterly immaterial to you avoiding future conflict. Every time you start an infobox "proposal" on an established article's talk page or at TFA when you know full well that it will be opposed by some of the main editors in the area, and especially by the article's principle author, you will start unnecessary conflict and friction. You may not like that situation, but that's the way it is. If you think that infoboxes are so crucial to the building an encyclopedia that you plan to plow on proposing them and ignore the collateral damage, well so be it, but I hope you give some serious thought to the advice you have been given by several experienced editors who are not members of either the Classical Music or Opera projects. Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you. I don't plan to start infobox proposals on talk pages, enough is enough. To ask an author whose preference I don't know should be possible, no? Infoboxes are not crucial, but I would like to see Bach cantatas consistent. Please look at the other discussion, to have only one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] When did you leave? It can only have been very, very recently, given actions like this. And if you have left, you don't need to bookmark disputes in this manner anymore, do you? In fact, why not just remove the entire BencherliteTalk 08:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I left on 2 September. I didn't record the reverts of two symphonies after that, and will not add. The page is a historic document, and many links from the case go there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Perhaps {{ BencherliteTalk 09:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Do it if you think it's helpful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Someone appears to have hijacked your account to add an infobox to a classical music article this morning: see BencherliteTalk 10:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I answered, "consistency". That I left the project doesn't mean that I don't care about the articles I created or am the main contributor, nor that I will not write new ones. The projects will be free from my unwanted discussions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] In other words, you have no intention of complying with the restrictions that arbcom placed on you? "Gerda Arendt is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes; restoring an infobox that has been deleted; or making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article. They may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes with no restriction, and include infoboxes in new articles which they create.". Where does it say that if your view, you are a main contributor, you can continue adding infoboxes? Voceditenore (talk) 11:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Please keep this discussion in one place, the other, where the same question was raised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Everyone lay off Gerda. This anti-infobox obsession of the classical music projects is the stupidest, most damaging thing I have ever seen on wikipedia. Over half of all articles already have infoboxes, the only question should be about design and content, not their existence itself. Given that I happen to believe that every article not only needs but deserves a good infobox, maybe I should step up next and start adding them to classical music articles, eh? Then someone can take me to a drama board. Please, let's just never end this stupid infobox war. Sheesh! Montanabw(talk) 00:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, I hope you will ignore such inflammatory and, frankly, asinine posturing. I also hope you will not seek martyrdom, as you have plenty to contribute to Wikipedia, in music and elsewhere. My advice is to bite the bullet for a bit, and concentrate on the articles that interest you; much needs to be done in the field of Bach and elsewhere. I and others don't have a completely closed mind on the infobox question, and I am happy to continue talking to you about ways in which valid objections (not, incidentally, confined to classical music projects) might be overcome. But you need to be aware that, for a while at least, you will be walking on eggshells on this issue. Keep your profile low, avoid provoking people's sensitivities, and it will be possible to make progress. Fighting to the death is an empty option. Brianboulton (talk) 09:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] In case any of that lecture was addressed at me, BencherliteTalk 10:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, all three. As Smerus said several times, I am grown-up (see above). Classical music is not against infoboxes per se, I explained that in detail in the other discussion. I would love eventually to not talk about individual articles, but groups, for example orchestras and Bach cantatas, two topics where I don't see the slightest conflict. Let's calm down and then do it. Any volunteer to take the reverted infobox of BWV 138 to the respective article? To help the reader understand at a glance that the long German title, followed by a translation and a catalogue number, is a work by Bach? ... year and location? ... let him know the sources of the hybrid text and the voice parts? - Regardless of how good or bad the article is, an by whom, these are facts important for a reader. Please let him have them at least for articles for which I feel responsible, - accepting that it is impossible at present for the several that Nikkimaria wrote. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Calling for volunteers to carry on the battle in which you're about to be prevented from participating isn't a good idea. It will inevitably be seen as an unworthy attempt to sneak around the restrictions if you do it after the case is closed, so please don't start doing this now. BencherliteTalk 11:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] What can we do? The premiere of one cantata is 5 September. Can we establish a user page where I can propose an infobox and some indepent judges examine it and handle it? Other ideas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] So what if one cantata premiered 5 September? Why should I, or anyone else, come up with ideas to help you get around the forthcoming Arbcom restrictions that would prevent you from adding the infobox yourself? BencherliteTalk 11:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I still think of the readers, more than the authors. It's not a forthcoming restriction that prevents me from adding it myself, but a voluntary 1RR rule. I would modify the phrasing but can't, now that you responded. - Please, keep the discussion one place, - the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I give up. You clearly aren't in the mood to listen to anyone. BencherliteTalk 11:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Bencherlite, I believe you have good intentions here. But the problem I see is thais: Anyone who is accused of anything, then gets on the wrong side of a dominant faction, simply is not allowed to defend themselves; what I would call "presenting a case, with evidence," is accused of "IDHT" or "not listening" or some other variation of " BOHICA". This troubles me a great deal, because it makes ArbCom and the other places people seek resolution of problems into a kangaroo court or, wore yet, a budding Animal Farm. Montanabw(talk) 19:17, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] And that is why this place is broken. You can't fight a rearguard action when there's nothing to defend. I'm also of the mind that "going away until things get better" just makes the shock all the worse when you come back and realize that it's still a mess and isn't getting better. Intothatdarkness 18:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Inno delle nazioni nominate ) 08:02, 3 September 2013 (UTC) I couldn't care less about Hello Gerda, my understanding of the term is that it has the connotation of that you would ignore the restrictions by overstepping them. I am quite sure you meant that you are not worried as you have no problem staying within the restrictions. Agathoclea (talk) 08:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] you are right, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Infobox: Holy Sonnets Holy Sonnets (Divine Meditations) by John Donne Written possibly 1609 and 1610 First published in 1633 Form 19 sonnets of two quatrains and a sestet Full text Holy Sonnets at Wikisource I'd be interested in how you would propose an infobox for my continuing recent poetry project talk) 12:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] some ideas, imagine the pic here, no need for it on my talk, - no more time now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] that was in a rush, - realising now that it is a collection of poems I wonder if book would be the better choice or if there is poem collection. I will be not be online for most of the next three days, - singing Schubert in preparation for a concert, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I miss performing (bass-baritone, wannabe concert pianist, viola and clarinet) best of luck this weekend. I think book might be the better choice. I'll look over some options this weekend and think about how best to tackle this (amid working on my current project talk) 02:29, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Believe it or not: I am new to the topic of infoboxes, so don't know if there are song cycles. My approach is to keep them general, I prefer {{infobox person}} to {{infobox classical composer}} and {{infobox musical artist}}. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] BWV 138 I'm starting a new section here as this has nothing to do with either your potential admonishment or the proposed arbcom decision, although it is related to the two articles you mentioned in that section. I've added the images and expanded the ledes of these articles to include what you consider the key facts that the reader needs to see at a glance. They are now in the first three sentences of the articles. Irrespective of whether someone eventually adds an infobox to those articles, their ledes were woefully inadequate and needed expansion. An infobox shouldn't be used instead of an adequate lede. It should be used (if at all) in addition to one. Believe it or not, many people actually find reading horizontal text faster and easier than reading vertical text. It might be a good idea to check all the Bach cantata articles that currently have an infobox and ensure they also have an adequate lede. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, for your thoughts and for expanding. Yes, I know, an adequate lede would be nice. The format was developed in collaboration in CM in 2010, the first BWV 103 and a few other GAs. For a more detailed lede, please consider to have first the text sources, then the music. I would debate if "scoring" with single instruments is a good idea in the lede where a general public is addressed who may have no idea what an oboe d'amore is. More interesting: structure, especially if unusual, and relationship to other works, for example base for a movement of a Missa. Please feel free to improve, - see above, I will be offline for most of the weekend, and will have little time in all of September: concert with L'arpa festante. Should that article be moved, in case the dramatic cantata after which it is named might get an article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I don't understand. The lede is for the general reader but infoboxes are not? The reader can't/won't click on oboe d'amore in the lede, but they will in the infobox right next to it? You said here that "the individual instruments give a cantata profile" and were essential information. Anyhow, it was just a suggestion/sample as to how these articles could be greatly improved regardless of whether or not they have an infobox and especially if they do have one. It's not my editing area so I'll just leave it at that. Voceditenore (talk) 22:58, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are right. - I think mentioning that a work is the only Bach cantata for soprano and trumpet is a good summary, a copy of the single instruments is less helpful. With a short lede, the TOC is visible at a glance and shows "Scoring". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Thanks for repeating the award.--Nvvchar. 16:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: Precious again Thanks much! — Hunter Kahn 20:00, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thank you Gerda for the kind message on my Talk page. I had not encountered you before reading the ArbCom case, but you appear to be a kind, dedicated and courteous contributor of the type that Wikipedia sorely needs more of. With very best wishes, MartinPoulter (talk) 15:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Editor's Barnstar Gerda, I am truly saddened to see the ArbCom finding against you, as you are quite possibly the kindest, most encouraging, compassionate editor on the entire project. Thank you for all your work, both in article space, and in "Precious". Happy editing. Go Phightins! 15:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Francis John Williamson nominate ) 16:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC) Thank you Thank you Gerda for your kind words! Much appreciated indeed!Nicoderno1 (talk) 19:50, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Symphony No. 8 (Dvořák) nominate ) 16:03, 8 September 2013 (UTC) Precious again Thank you, again, for my award. We slog away on here thinking we are unnoticed until we do something wrong. It is nice to be noticed in this way. Jack1956 (talk) 06:53, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Trying something out Can you take a look here. The addition is mine. Please let me have your comments, but on my talkpage rather than on the article's talk. as I want to keep this low profile. Brianboulton (talk) 19:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Did you intentionally have no link to CM? I don't like the overlap in the last line, but that will go away if liked enough to have the links at the bottom, as for BB ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes closed An arbitration case regarding behaviour around the use of Infoboxes in several articles has now closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted: Pigsonthewing (talk · contribs) is indefinitely banned from adding, or discussing the addition or removal of, infoboxes. Nikkimaria (talk · contribs) is admonished to behave with the level of professionalism expected of an administrator. Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes; restoring an infobox that has been deleted; or making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article. They may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes with no restriction, and include infoboxes in new articles which they create. Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) is admonished for treating Wikipedia as if it were a battleground and advised to better conduct themselves. Smerus (talk · contribs) is reminded to conduct himself in a civil manner. All editors are reminded to maintain decorum and civility when engaged in discussions about infoboxes, and to avoid turning discussions about a single article's infobox into a discussion about infoboxes in general. The Arbitration Committee recommends that a well-publicized community discussion be held to address whether to adopt a policy or guideline addressing what factors should weigh in favor of or against including an infobox in a given article. For the Arbitration Committee, — 21 00:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Archived discussion Stand and sing This editor won the Million Award for bringing Franz Kafka to Featured Article status. Everybody following the case knows that it was not about infoboxes, harmless things that serve an article like a cover a book, - look if you dare. I keep hoping that people will try something out. This looks promising! I keep working for peace. Ich steh hier und singe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Am I livin in a box? Woke up this morning Closed in on all sides Nothing doing I feel resistance Because I opened my eyes Someone's foolin.. -- talk You opened my eyes ;) - so many songs! - did you ever read my He was despised? (one of my better boxes on top) - Did you know where "Ich steh hier und singe" comes from? In the stanza "Trotz dem alten Drachen ... und der Furcht dazu", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Wow. Still just dipping my toes into that talk 19:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] You say the greatest things so simply. Et in Spiritum Sanctum. Singing is so much more profound than writing about it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] It isn't classical, but both song and album have infoboxes! And it is a Night at the Opera: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me. But WE love YOU Gerda! So chin up! Montanabw(talk) 21:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] All that time spent and there still lost. All I have to say is wow!! I guess nothing will change .. still going to have editor after editor getting into conflict with the related articles. Its simply to bad our admins dont see the problem when it come to editor retention and accessibility. New editors like this guy is still going to get bitten for no reason if someone notice's his edit - bet he will be one of a thousand editors they scare off this year alone. To think its ok that our editors need permission to edit an article is simply nuts. believing a few bans will help a problem that effects new editor alot more then old ones is odd ...this fact demonstrates they are not up to speed with the problem. Perhaps the long long long explanations were simply to much for them to rap there heads around. I am starting to believe the next generation is talking over this Wikipedia project and simply dont understand the fundamentals of collaboration and why there are problems of this nature. Dont they think its odd that only a certain segment of articles has this problem - as in endless conflict with new and old editors. Wish you all the best...if you get frustrated with music articles come to history and science articles you will find a much more educated and refined bunch of editors. -- Moxy (talk) 19:08, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for shared thoughts. The newcomer will not be bitten, because orchestra is possible - there is no logic. It's not possible for me - there is no logic. "Mich wundert, dass ich so fröhlich bin", hard to translate, - I am not frustrated. I left opera and CM (two more red cats), but found a new hobby: translate articles of the banned or almost banned to German. Two hours from now, one will be pictured on their Main page, the next in the pipeline. I enjoy a new editor here and an "old" there, some seeds seem to sprout ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Grace Sherwood FA Thank you from PSky and Wehwalt for your comment, review, and support of this recently successful FAC. PumpkinSky talk 20:25, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] My pleasure. - Overcoming the first time that I felt "he was despised", that was you in 2010. I seem to be the outcasts' friend, proudly so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Me too. With the complete and total den of dysfunctional anarchy and incessant bickering and hate that is all over wiki, I'm PROUD TO BE A WIKI OUTCAST. PumpkinSky talk 22:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] It's a big club, and one I'm proud to be a member of too. Eric Corbett 23:03, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Can we make our own category or wikiproject? born rebels Montanabw(talk) 18:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] We have QAI ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] We need to attract recruits, want to do up a userbox and link it to a new category? Montanabw(talk) 21:51, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Cat is there: Category:WikiProject Quality articles, I don't need a userbox other than the one above for kafkaesque, but feel free to design one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ask for a userbox with category and you shall receive. {{ Gumbys from Monty Python's Flying Circus for the image. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:07, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] You really don't like the userbox? Darn! :( - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like it, only - see my user page - I don't use any. The Kafka one is the only exception, serving me well for a kafkaesque situation. See: here people talk about pro-boxers, anti-boxers and battleground, while some key people arrived at compromises and experiments. Let's take it from there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like making 'em, though I don't use too many of the ones I make. :) I'm weird that way. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like a little weird ;) - and don't really feel outcast, no worries, I keep singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Selly Manor nominate ) 08:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC) Bach Cantata Day! Gerda, very saddened to see that you have been experiencing wikitrials and wikitribulations. I just wanted to drop you a line to let you know you are an awesome wikipedian, and this place is much better with you around. In your honor, I listened to several Bach cantatas today, #s 26, 53, 55, 56, 61, 68, 70, 82, 89, 98, 130, 151, 157, 174, 180, 189. Thanks for all the great music. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 02:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are awesome! (I said so before.) - You can't be sad anymore after that experience, right? Der Geist hilft unsrer Schwachheit auf ((The Spirit gives aid to our weakness)). Did you read the discussion about BWV 138? Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz (Why do you trouble yourself, my heart), - I heard that one yesterday. The case is closed, but you might still add to the discussion, Include infoboxes in new articles which they create. It's a bit kafkaesque (see above) that the same users who want to protect "their" articles (keep free from infobox) deny others the right to have their articles their way. The interests of the readers seem to play no role. Did you know this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Did you see the "cheerful and optimistic" music on top? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Really? The dude has been banned by the community. Posting little awards on his page isn't going to get him unbanned. Most banned users don't even get to have pages with awards of the type you've been giving this user. Because the community has banned them. If you have an issue with his status you can work to appeal the ban. You are intentionally bringing this issue up, and you knew you were going to get a response. Cheers. Doc talk 11:27, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I just replied there, really, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] For crying out loud, doc. A banned user isn't Voldemort, a "he who shall not be mentioned." Some people are banned because they argued with the wrong people. Think Napoleon and Snowball. We don't have "enemies of the state" here. Sigh...Montanabw(talk) 18:36, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Not only that, when I pass Precious it's for merits, some for past merits. I don't revoke, although during the last weeks I was tempted at times, I must confess, - see above if you haven't ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] And this is another reason Gerda was treated unjustly! Montanabw(talk) 01:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] We kinda do have declared enemies of the state: banned users. Not just blocked, but the Supermax of WP. Merridew went there, by his own choice. He knew what he was doing and chose to screw with the community to the point that they had enough. The community that we are still a part of. Yes, he helped a ton of people. He helped me. But the decision of the community to ultimately reject his services was made. There are always appeals. Doc talk 05:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] You say "we", whom do you mean? I am not part of that "we". I sing the praises of the banned users and translate their articles. I think you said enough here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] "We" is the community. The very reason that you and I are even allowed to post anything here. It takes quite a lot to be banned from it, this community. Neither you or I will ever see that sting. Or... maybe a coup is finally at hand... Doc talk 06:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Excuse me laughing. It does not take "quite a lot" to get banned, see? You convert a collapsed metadata box at the bottom of the article into an uncollapsed infobox at the top of the article, an arb interprets it as "That he deliberately parachutes into infobox editing disputes in such contentious areas: [ ] (March 2013) concerns me deeply." and votes to ban you, the one vote needed to do so. It could have easily happened. - I think you said enough here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Prisoner # 24601 can appeal his conviction for stealing a loaf of bread (and escape attempts) just like the rest of us. No hard feelings towards him, and especially you, Gerda. Doc talk 07:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] What is that you think compares? Nobody stole, someone helped me to get the infobox that I (the author) wanted, against reverts by those who knew better how an article should look like. Try to do the same to their articles, you will see some difference, it's called "infobox war". - I think you said enough here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] The point being that the "crime" was a trumped-up one in both "24601" cases, each more for Commutation of sentence, let alone a pardon. The dysfunctional anarchy that is wiki is, unless reversed, on its way to becoming a set of "neighborhood committees". But until then, we content creators shall add what content we are allowed! (sigh) Montanabw(talk) 17:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I honestly don't see the dysfunction reversing. If anything it seems to be accelerating. And all this talk of "we" and "the community" sounds a bit too much like the Central Committee for my taste. It is far too easy to justify poor decisions by hiding behind that anonymous "community" construct. That way no one is responsible, aside from the poor fool who ran afoul of the state and was thus sanctioned. Intothatdarkness 18:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Time for a roundabout Good morning Gerda! Bizarre Magick in the least ... Cheers! — Gareth Griffith-Jones| The Welsh Buzzard: Cardiff born and bred | — 09:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you, Bussard, I feel understood. Please see above that most posters to my talk are people I like to talk to, and some cherished magical conversations are here to stay, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Precious Thanks so much for your recognition! Chris Troutman (talk) 06:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Just like here? Thought this might *amuse* you. Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 09:20, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] probably, looking at the beginning, thank you! My time is limited, though, all weekend rehearsal for Teh Mass, 4 guests already there (two from the US), more to come, more rehearsals Monday - Tuesday - Friday - Saturday. Did you see this, an infobox for a classical composer state of the art in March? That was my starting point, not the battles of the last decade, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Have just read your talk via the link above. Best of luck for the coming (hectic) days ahead! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 10:55, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hectic? Greatest joy there can be! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yeah ... perhaps I meant assiduous. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 11:04, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for your Awesome Wikipedian sapphire! A nice surprise, i even feel a little unworthy. Thanks again for your stimulating initiative! JMMuller (talk) 21:29, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] See above, I only follow an initiative started in 2007 and continued by several others, especially the photographer of the sapphire, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Your GA nomination of Mass in B minor structure Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article talk) 16:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you! I plan to add a bit, but there's real life also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] I look forward to it. I'll get some comments up likely tomorrow morning.-- talk) 20:22, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for L'arpa festante DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks For your most kind words. Collect (talk) 07:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Good to hear from you! More here, "Every good one gone makes it harder to stay", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] 9 Getreidegasse Hi Gerda, nothing about infoboxes :-] but you might be interested in translating the hidden text in it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] next week, singing. Btw, the Austrian address would be "Getreidegasse 9", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Mozart's birthplace is better.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] indeed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply] Some baklava for you! A not-so-random thank you for your constructive and friendly attitude. Wikipedia needs more people doing the nice things - thanks! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] much appreciated, tell those who need to restrict me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Consensus: The Rite and Sherwood On the TFAR talkpage you raised the question of why a 13 - 2 consensus on the Sherwood TFA nomination was overridden, while a 10 - 2 consensus against an infobox on The Rite article was upheld as overwhelming. I did not wish to pursue this point on the TFAR talk and possibly provoke more argument there. However, I see the analogy between the two situations as false. As you know, it is established WP policy that the inclusion or otherwise of an infobox is a matter for discussion and consensus for each individual article. If a 10 - 2 consensus is established against an infobox in an article, there is no authority that can override that. In the case of a TFA, scheduling is the ultimately responsibility of a co-ordinator, who is required to balance consensus on any individual nomination against what he/she believes is the wider interests of the community. Perhaps you believe that no such reserve power should exist; that is another matter. I think Bencherlite will have thought long and hard before taking this decision, knowing that it would provoke an outcry; I would have been happy if he had decided the other way, but overall I respect his judgement and admire the way he has brought the almost moribund TFA system back to good working order. Brianboulton (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I think you misunderstand me here. I didn't question the "Rite" consensus but - as you may remember - thought such a thing should not have been decided by voting but by strength of argument, so didn't even count the "voices" of Andy and my own because we didn't "vote". My question was why you termed the 13:2 vote as you did. It's all too late now that my friend has gone. Sad, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] My point was general: "in making a decision on any particular issue, Bencherlite should not immediately yield to the loudest clamour of voices". Which, ironically, is much what you said about the Rite issue. As to your friend, I very much doubt that he has really gone – having a sulk is rather more likely. I have plenty of admiration for the work that you and he have done together, but I hope that when he does return he will drop this unwarranted stance of victimhood, stop wallowing in self-pity (everybody hates me!) and get down to some grown-up editing. If he does he will be welcomed back. Otherwise, quite honestly, it's better he should keep away. Tantrums belong in the nursery, not here. Brianboulton (talk) 09:11, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Interesting what you think belongs on my talk page. I am simply sad. But the music of Bach's Mass is still with me, see on top. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] BB, these cases both illustrate the sort of mob mentality, scapegoating and bullying that is driving off a lot of excellent content contributors. Bencher acted abruptly and without good logic, it was a "teh rulz are teh rulz" logic. The infobox issue was a similar act of knee-jerk IDONTLIKEIT nonsense, also absent logic and reasoning. Both cases were presented for solid, logical and rational reasons, only to be rejected out of hand without rational discourse by an "four legs good, two legs better" clamor on one hand, and a dictatorial attitude on the other. Montanabw(talk) 19:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Eric Ashby (naturalist) nominate ) 16:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC) Your GA nomination of Mass in B minor structure The article talk) 21:53, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Out of curiosity...which one [0=YTowOnt9 in this picture] are you? ;-) -- talk) 21:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for the pass. - If you mean the pic on top here: I stand in a position to take the pictures at the bottom (with the manuscript) and sing carried away ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Still wondering which one..."12th from the left" or whatnot. ;-) -- talk) 23:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A bit of a matter of privacy ;) - you can tell from the position that I am more on the right, no? hint: when I asked the photographer for the license, he looked at details and said: you have your eyes closed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Identitybox The End of the Road Author John Barth Country U.S. Language English Publication date 1958 The End of the Road Author John Barth Cover artist Robert Watson[1] Country U.S. Language English Publisher Doubleday Publication date 1958 Pages 230 Preceded by The Floating Opera  Followed by The Sot-Weed Factor  Just to make sure we're not talking at cross purposes, can you tell me exactly what you envision an "Identitybox" to be? I imagined what you meant by "I like to show an unprepared reader at a glance what an article is about" was exactly what I was aiming for at the article for The End of the Road (which is a bit of a mess now over this stuff). What I wanted was the first box to the right. What was forced on the article was the second (with a Fair Use image that can't be shown on your talk page). Basically, I wanted a box that gave a quick overview to the article, and that applied to all editions. A number of editors at WikiProject Novels have insisted that {{Infobox book}} must be about the first edition, and must include an image of the cover of the first edition. They also strongly suggested I inlcude info such as the Dewey decimal number. Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] The credit for inventing the identitybox goes to Brianboulton, please read Talk:L'Arianna#The experiment. I don't "envision" it, but think it's a step forward. I would go for a bit more, adding time and place, librettist, language and publishing. I am not familiar with the special requirements for books, but a similar thing happens in music, where some editors want only the premiere performance listed, but I would say that Mendelssohn's performance of Bach's St. Matthew Passion after 100 years deserved mentioning, also the many different editions of a Bruckner symphony (this was installed in 2007, naturally not by me who joined in 2009, - and here people still believe in an infobox war). - It probably needs to be decided case by case, and there's the possibility of having more than one infobox. O dear, how many times did I use the tabu word ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Adding: in some infoboxes, music has the possibility of listing detailed information about a premiere performance, clearly marked as such, for example, - I could imagine something like that for a first edition of a book, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] On the books issue, the rational arguments are all on Curly Turkey's side; indeed, the {{Infobox book}} is an example of why writers of opera and music articles generally remain antagonistic to the idea of infoboxes. First, the article is about a novel, not about the first edition of a novel. Secondly, an infobox is defined by WP as a summary of the key facts about a subject. The name of the artist who designed the first edition cover is not key information about the novel, nor is the number of pages, which may well change from edition to edition. Dewey classification is marginal info which also changes with editions. The "preceded by" and "followed by" information is confusing and pointless – does it mean the book is part of a series, or are these merely the previous and next novels of the writer? In either event, it is simply not key information relevant to this novel. If I were CT I would politely reject the project editors' suggestions. I'd keep the front cover for illustrative purposes. I'd perhaps provide a caption under the illustration stating that this was the "first edition cover, illustrated by Mr X". I'd request that the "Publication date" parameter be specified as "Original publication date", and I'd drop the pages numbers and the preceded/followed by stuff. Brianboulton (talk) 10:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am CT, and I'd love to "politely reject the project editors' suggestions". If you read the discussion, though, you'll see that that polite refusal is not an option I've been granted. Two of the three editors in question are admins, and I don't doubt ignoring their "suggestions" would result in a block on me. I haven't dared touched the box since GrahamHardy first fiddled with it (although Quiddity has)—I have no intention of being accused of editwarring. I've been informed "the infobox information is supposed to familiarize the audience with the original first edition physical form of the book", which I think is out-and-out ridiculous, but the two admins have decided that it's decided, so no further discussion shall take place. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I saw the discussion ;) - Don't be afraid, not every admin blocks, not even I (who needs to be told that Wikipedia is no battleground) was blocked so far ;) - I agree with your reasoning in the case. Now comes the tricky question how much influence the author has. I see double standards: if he wants no infobox, he gets support and protection from the arbs, - if he wants one things are different, look at BWV 138 mentioned above, look for "a dead letter" and follow the link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I don't think that's altogether fair, Gerda. An editor who went about summarily removing infoboxes from others' articles would normally get pretty short shrift. The main areas of discord have been around attempts to impose infoboxes where their inclusion is disputed. To return to CT's problem, the assertion that "the infobox information is supposed to familiarize the audience with the original first edition physical form of the book" is to say the least highly questionable, and doesn't meet the WP Infobox Project definition of "a quick and convenient summary of the key facts about a subject". But I can understand CT's unwillingness to enter into a "brick wall" argument. Sometimes it's wise to step back, even when logic and right are on your side. Brianboulton (talk) 14:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] The same editor is at it again. He's fully aware I dispute this. He's added a Fair Use image despite the comment about why there isn't one, and has added fields as well, without discussion, even though he knows I dispute it. He knows he's got a couple of admins to back him up so that I won't have the balls to do nything about it. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:51, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I don't know what you mean by not fair. An editor summarily removed infoboxes from others' articles and was just told to behave. Two editors did NOT (in 2013) summarily add (impose) infoboxes to others' articles and were restricted anyway, that's my reading. I am the main contributor to BWV 138, but it doesn't have an infobox like 100 or so other Bach cantatas for the simple reason that I didn't "create" it. Does it make sense? Not to me. Perhaps I have a language difficulty? You won't believe how far I stepped back already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Perhaps people would be less likely to claim the irrational was rational if they actually read template documentation? In the case of {{Infobox book}}, it says: preceded_by Title of prior book in series followed_by Title of subsequent book in series or sequel (emphasis in original). I'm pretty sure the sequence of, say, Harry Potter, James Bond, Discworld or Inspector Morse novels are significant to their readers. I think you will also find that the majority of music articles have infoboxes; and that you don't speak for their writers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I don't understand what you mean by "less likely to claim the irrational was rational" – possibly you meant it the other way round. In any event, the casual reader should not be required to read template documentation to discover that a book is part of a series. Brianboulton (talk) 14:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] To be fair, the book sequences were not under dispute. I added them a long time ago out of ignorance, and when it was pointed out that's not what they were for, I removed them, and nobody protested. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I assure you I meant it exactly as I wrote it. However, I was not referring to "the casual reader". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Plenty of editors simply copy and paste templates from a model article to the one they're working on and then fill in the fields. Some are not even aware that there is documentation, or how to access it—it's not in the least intuitive that one should preface the template name you see in the article source with "Template:" to reach it. I had long since ceased to be a "casual reader" before I learned that. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:39, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] What can we template designers do to be read and perhaps be understood better? {{ Infobox Bach composition}} Some templates come with one-letter-symbols for view/talk/edit, did you know? {{Benjamin Britten}} Could an infobox have the same? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] That's not a bad idea. Alternatively, one could place "See [[Template:Infobox turkey]]" as a hidden comment beside the template name: {{Infobox turkey <!-- see [[Template:Infobox turkey]] --> |breed = Curly |flavour = Delicious |best_bite = Drumstick |gravy = Fuggedaboutit}} ———Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:32, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Delicious! Only: how to spread the good news, when people don't go to that place because they don't find it, simply copy from chicken? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] A bot, perhaps? I can't image such edits being controversial. Curly Turkey (gobble) 22:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] You mean a bot could add that comment to every infobox in articles? Probably. (So far I thought you meant in the documentation which users don't find.) The same bot could add that the source for the article begins below the infobox - for those who think the infobox code at the beginning of the source is confusing to editors. (You won't believe some of the arguments against infoboxes until you see them. My favourite, slightly reworded: the box takes away attention from my beautifully crafted article.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Oh, I've seen all the arguments. I'm not entirely sympathetic either—especially to the argument about articles with infoboxes opening with a pile of code. I'd like to see a more elegant solution, and one that's easier for newbies to navigate, but I still see greater value in having infoboxes than in not. Something I do agree with the disinfoboxers over is that infoboxes tend to become dumping grounds for every trivial detail, can be crammed with distoritions or gross oversimplifications, and can be overloked when details in the body change (so that, say, the infobox gives us one figure, while the body gives us another). That's why I'd like to see infoboxes kept short, simple, and to the point, like the box I provided above, rather than something like this, that tells us that this novel, yes this one, too, can you believe it? — has the Dewey decimal number 813. I'm surprised the dimensions of the first edition hardcover aren't provided—how else would a reader know if the book will fit in their bag? Curly Turkey (gobble) 08:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Agree! I like the short one and would not need the name of the cover artist. - I am thinking about fields to have in the box (for search functions etc.) but not show. Example: if an article title is Today's feature article? (by the inventor of the identitybox) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] ps: I agree, see {{Infobox musical composition}}: "The template is very general and therefore offers a great choice of parameters. For a given composition, use only those of relevance," --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: "genre=symphony": is there any reason this kind of thing shouldn't be left entirely to WikiData? Re: Diary of a Nobody: I do see a couple of issues. "Publisher" doesn't make it clear that it was the first publisher—Andy's proposed changing the parameters to make that clearer. Personally, I'd just drop it from the infobox and keep it in the "Publication history" section of the article, regardless of Andy's proposed changes. With "Media type" I see multiple issues: "Print, audio and eBook"—this seems to imply that J. W. Arrowsmith, the publisher listed, is responsible for the audiobook and eBook versions. In fact, according to Amazon, there are multiple audiobooks from different publishers, none of whom are J. W. Arrowsmith. Ditto with the eBook. Further, why is the publisher the first publisher, but the medi type all media types? Obviously, the audiobook and eBook versions were not part of the book's 1892 rollout. Again, personall, I don't see "Media type" as being of infobox scope in the first place, and wouldn't consider using it in the first place unless there were some special significance to it (can't think of an example off the top of my head). Then there's one more thing that has gotten to me for some time: "Author" when there are two? "Author(s)" is an ugly (and common) alternative, but it seems to me that the software should be able to handle something like this, especially now that we have Lua rolled out. Of course, that's a bit outside the domain of article editing. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: "The template is very general and therefore offers a great choice of parameters. For a given composition, use only those of relevance,": I love the philosphy. The OWNers of Infobox Book don't subscribe to that philosophy, and have decreed the opposite: "The template is very specific and offers a large number of mandatory parameters. For a given book, use all those possible". Software won't fix that. Curly Turkey (gobble) 11:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Quattro pezzi sacri Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK for Quattro pezzi sacri nominate ) 08:37, 10 October 2013 (UTC) Please stop adding infoboxes to articles in contravention of your Arbcom restriction Hello - you were restricted in the Arbcom final decision on "infoboxes" - "Gerda Arendt is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes....They may .... include infoboxes in new articles which they create." [23]. Nevertheless, on 8 October you added an infobox to an article you did not create, with the edit summary "(infobox for an article I translated)"[24] which is clearly not the same as "created". You did not create the article WP:AE or anything but I ask that you refrain from breaking the terms of your restrictions. Thank you.Smeat75 (talk) 18:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Define "create", please. Is the creator the one who writes a one-line stub ( BWV 49) or the one who writes the rest? I go for the latter and therefore feel within the terms, in both cases. You will have noticed that "Quattro pezzi sacri" was edited by others after me who did not revert the infobox, but improved it. Buon compleanno, Verdi! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Definition: if the button you first press says "create this page". If it doesn't, as it hasn't for at least two articles now, that's a problem, and what comes after that doesn't make it less of a problem. WP:ARCA is thataway if you want to ask for a new definition. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for the advice. I almost knew that I had another language problem. I don't believe that "create a page" is identical to "create an article" and think you might agree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Wikipedia doesn't agree and I doubt ArbCom would either, so it doesn't much matter what you or I might think. Another bit of advice: WP:AE is not a fun place, try to avoid it. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:45, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Arbcom was no fun place, and I couldn't avoid it. I learned that this place is no fun place in 2010. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] You two (Nikki and Smeat) are a couple of pretentious, small-minded little jackasses. In both cases we are talking about a 5x expansion from a stub. And your threats are just the most snot-nosed, tendentious, obnoxious, prissy tattle-tale example of bullying I have ever seen. Get freaking life! Montanabw(talk) 22:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC) The DYK standard is considered the equivalent to new article creation. This is a distinction without a difference. Montanabw(talk) 17:25, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Montana, if I wanted to bully, I would have taken it straight to AE, and now you to ANI. I don't particularly want to see either of you blocked, whether you believe that or not. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] ANI notification ... Gerda and Montanabw (arb restrictions and personal attacks). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:59, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Email Hello, Gerda Arendt. Please check your email; you've got mail! It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{ ygm}} template. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:08, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Request for clarification Hi. I've asked for clarification regarding your adding infoboxes to articles you expand at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Clarification request: Infoboxes. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 03:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, the ownership of articles needs clarification, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Annette Dasch I can easily switch it to an infobox person! That might make more sense. The background parameter just sets the main color of the infobox to yellow, red, green, or blue, depending on the artist's category. Bonnie (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ariadne I'm glad you are happy with it! You didn't respond, so I presumed it was all OK. I have recently re-read (aloud, to my son), Eleanor Farjeon's Ariadne and the Bull, a very clever spoof. Typical of Farjeon, it has poetic descriptions, believable characters, humour that has aged a bit, but not lost its wit. Minos the Judge, spends his spare time doing crossword puzzles invented by Daedalus to distract him, Silenus is the royal butler, Phaedra is a right royal tart, Theseus is arrogant beyond belief and speaks in iambic pentameter, Icarus writes poetry (Shelley and Keats), Ariadne moons and mopes. It has been a favourite in my family for the last seventy years. Amandajm (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! (Only: it's not so important what I think about the image, the author of that FA would be more important ..., - I am only the tireless suggester of an infobox.) - The story seems great, - reminds me of The Ring of the Nibelungs (from one ordinary opera-goer to another ...) by Anna Russell. Seventy years sounds like quite a tradition. How do you like the real drama pictured here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Re: alt Hi Gerda, I think the link alone would be enough. Perhaps just use "see text" as the alt text. Graham87 00:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sounds good to me! Well, it does now that I've made this edit. Graham87 01:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, I missed it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Saul (Handel) You may wish to comment at this article's peer review, Wikipedia:Peer review/Saul (Handel)/archive1 here. I've left a few comments though I am away until 24th and won't be able to comment further. Brianboulton (talk) 15:46, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re:Precious Thank you. You made me blush. Abecedare (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Don't - look for "blush" above, I do it sometimes ;) - nice to meet you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Hah. Pure coincidence, or great cheeks blushing alike? There I go again. :) Abecedare (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Beautiful phrase, thank you! - I became afraid to blush because you saw what happened, twice? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks so much! :) Hekerui (talk) 09:30, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks, I should upload some more photos, I haven't for a while. I spent 2 weeks in Germany in August but I didn't get to ride on any trains (mainly because the ticket machine in Hanau West station did not accept my Australian credit card. Progress!)--Grahame (talk) 10:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] progress ;) - I met you on our "missed users", remembered above, - nice to meet you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Camberwell Grove DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] From Cumbria's Woods and Fields Hello, dear Gerda. How nice to run across you chez Olivier Messiaen. I've been marooned in the English Lake District for most of the past four weeks (looking after ancient mother) and it is a tonic to see WP entries from you and other friends. Hope all is well with you. Hugs, Tim riley (talk) 15:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] A lot - not all - is well with me, I am doing content again! My first request for peer review is open (click on the first word on my user page), I nominated a great person, celebrated a birthday, and I enjoy the new template in my honour! (The arbs have not commented it, - do you think they even understand?) - Not all is well, I dedicated my latest to RexxS, gone "to our collective loss" (to use your phrasing), loss pictured on top. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I love the template. Utterly outrageous! Glad to see you are a fan of Chéreau, whose Bayreuth Ring cycle was one of the funniest things I have ever seen. The dragon on wheels, the Wanderer with his birdcage, and the laundry-bag containing Erda brought tears of laughter to the eyes. I just wonder if Wagner would have thought such frivolities appropriate. Tim riley (talk) 16:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Disambiguation link notification for October 18 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Folk tales (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject . It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 15:08, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, bot, the one I would look for is not offered: tales of the early colonists, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] JSB Alas I am busy travelling until end November. At a quick glance there are some major issues over idiomatic English. Amongst these, you need to explain what you mean by 'parody' in the section heading. Also explain 'missa tota' etc.....Best--Smerus (talk) 14:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I did what I could, please check, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] ArbCom Same sort of arguments from the same arbs once again. I trust my opinion concurs with yours on the issue at hand. Cheers. Collect (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like your opinion! - The normal way DYK defines "new content" is a five-fold expansion, and there is even an established easy check for it. Both articles in question appeared on the Main page, with credit to me. - I would go a step further: first to say the case is not about content but behaviour and then restrict content, not behaviour, is absurd to begin with, - but I was told to be silent ;) - Look for kafkesque above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thanks for your lovely comments on my talk page, you're very kind! Angmering (talk) 08:28, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Infobox request Work your magic, if you have a few minutes: talk) 23:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Done. Did you know that Simeon is among my images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] William Hunter (publisher) Submitted slight rewording of hook as ALT2. FYI - ref #16 (A History of The Virginia Gazette, p.3) is also a George Washinton reference of the two book references of books I obtained from the library (hardcopies).--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:13, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ref #16 of online Virginia Gazette history link gives the hook reference. Could I get a green tick at so do I and maybe the promoting administrator can see it better. Thanks!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] There is a picture of the publication in the Works section, which shows date and that it was printed by William Hunter.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks! That should get the promoting administrator's attention.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:38, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, just be patient ;) - It doesn't have to be an admin, btw, anybody can build prep sets, just not of the own hooks, of course. - I remember how disappointed I was when I had suggested a pic for the first time and it was not taken (leaving a boring hook), but understood that only one out of seven hooks can be pictured, while one out of two or three is suggested with a pic, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] The hook has just been set into Prep area 2. In a few days it will an official DYK. Thanks for your help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Miku Nishimoto-Neubert nominate ) 00:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC) Vielen Dank Hi: I appreciate your thank yous. I'm a big fan of Bach, and am in the process of looking at all of the cantata articles. I'm doing it chronologically; based on the sorting of the List of Bach cantatas page. I will probably also look at the pages for the big choral pieces as well. Thanks, --FeanorStar7 12:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC) Thank you so much for doing that! BWV 172 is dear to my heart (and Bach's) and I will go for GA eventually, after expanding. Once you go over them, you could do me a favour and apply the {{lang}} template to text other than English, where I missed it and others didn't even think of it. The cantata mentioned should have it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Another experiment Hi Gerda. Can you suggest, informally on my talkpage, your ideas for the format of an "identibox" that might be suitable for classical composers? Brianboulton (talk) 16:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Conductors Can you make me favor and look through this folks and see if they are notable: Ana Chumachenco Andres Mustonen Frans Helmerson Pavel Vernikov Yumiko Urabe I personally believe that if a violinist is a professor of music somewhere, he is notable then, but I am not sure since its musicians aren't scientists.--Mishae (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Players don't have to teach to be notable. Revich isn't teaching, for example. Of the five, all but Vernikow have one or more reliable sources, I would say yes. Kronberg Academy is The place for string players. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Revich had many concerts. Those ones had some too. So you are saying that as long as they have info from Kronberg Academy at least, that makes them notable? I will try to add more references to Pavel Vernikov, but he is not listed on Kronberg Academy.--Mishae (talk) 14:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Revich [25] premiered two pieces yesterday [26] ("UA" is short for Uraufführung, world premiere). (I hope for a review, but Munich is large, they don't review every concert.) - There are good sources and less good, Kronberg is good, of course much better if not the only one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] After removal of copyright violation, could you help adding sourced info to Revich, especially from Russian sources that I can't read? I have limited time for more than a week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! What a delightful surprise! Amandajm (talk) 06:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] William Burges And thank you again, that would be absolutely wonderful. KJP1 (talk) 06:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thankyou Gerda!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gem Thank you very much for that (from an admirer of your Cantata articles). Ericoides (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] So nice to hear that! The cantatas are more or less written, I go around and equip those of the upcoming Sunday with accessibility features such as {{lang}} and infoboxes, as far as my restrictions allow, - think twice before adding an infobox to one of them ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I saw this today, and thought that the review – and the book being reviewed – might be of interest to you, if you haven't come across them already. Ericoides (talk) 16:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Garden of heaven - what a great image - thank you! Gardiner is pictured in almost every GA I wrote, for reasons ;) - Feel free to chime in for my first request for peer review, linked on the first word of my user page --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Garden of heaven? Do you mean castle of heaven, or perhaps Gardiner of heaven?! I'll have a look at your B Minor Mass; a favourite piece, I sang Alto in it aged 14 back in the 70s. Ericoides (talk) 08:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Thank you for your supportive feedback. In John Eliot Gardiner I was unsure of the best option for Infobox musical artist | background. I chose 'non_performing_personnel', but he does perform when he conducts. I posted a comment about this at Template talk:Infobox musical artist. I'm waiting patiently for a verdict on my new article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Frances Richards, but I realise this may take a few weeks.Verbcatcher (talk) 22:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for what you do, - patience is very helpful ;) - I am travelling and will be off for most of the next weeks, but will look eventually if nobody else does, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] How to cite recordings Vespro della Beata Vergine 1610#Recordings? I've found Template:Album citation, but that appears to be for interfacing to external sites.Verbcatcher (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] The most relevant template I found is {{ Good Articles on classical music and see how they cover recordings. Huon (talk) 23:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] @Verbcatcher: Are you citing the recording, or the liner notes (album sleeve or CD booklet)? For the latter, use {{Cite AV media notes}}. That said, on the page you give as an example, {{Cite web}} should be used for the web pages currently given as in-line external links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] @Pigsonthewing: In fact, I think I (and earlier contributors) are listing recordings as in a discography, rather than citing them as references. However, I may want to cite sleeve notes in the future. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] Infoboxes clarification request archived Hi Gerda, the infoboxes clarification request in which you were named as a party has been closed and WP:PROXYING and so is not permitted. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] a policy says "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits" (my emphasis). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] DYK nomination of John Ashley Kilvert Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Crispulop (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Re: Precious Thanks for the sapphire! [blushes] It's nice to feel valued, particularly as my contributions have been so sporadic over the past years. And thanks especially for continuing this tradition -- I'm sure you've made a lot of people feel their contributions are worthwhile. Have a nice espresso on me (feel free to exchange for the beverage of your choice) :) Espresso Addict (talk) 01:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] I like the Espressp, thank you! You should change you name to Expression Addict ;) - you expressed well that I would like to feel that my contributions are worthwhile. Look for "blush" above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Louisa Venable Kyle DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply] most stressful but also the most educational thing Hi In congratulating the recently appointed admin Zad on his stewardship of the Circumcision article you used a quotation namely "most stressful but also the most educational thing" - was this a reference to circumcision ? Is it a well known quote ? Have I utterly misunderstood ?--— ⦿⨦⨀Tumadoireacht Talk/Stalk 20:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] I quoted himself (as he will have known) about writing the article, speaking in his RfA about the things he was most proud of, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYKs on Portal:Germany Comment Hi Gerda. Thanks for maintaining this section including putting my double DYK for WP:DYKSTATS for October! --Bermicourt (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC) P.S. I'm missing Germany, though![reply ] German DYK is fun to do! Written in Spain ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Ermutigung DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] What we need ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Genau. Ich sehe, dass du neulich ein bißchen Ärger bekommen hast. Aber "Sei gegrüßt, du mit Gnade Beschenkte. Der Herr ist mit dir." --Bermicourt (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gracias ;) - Siehst du einen vernünftigen Grund, warum Wilfred Byng Kenrick keine Infobox bekommen sollte? Vorgeschlagen auf der Diskussion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Danke, daß du meine Übersetzung so geschätz hast! Leider ist dieser Artikel immer noch unvollständig — da steht noch etwas Arbeit vor :). Ich interessiere mich sehr für das Thema 68er-Bewegung und schreibe auch gerne Artikel über Musik aus der Zeit (insb. Ton Steine Scherben). Es freut mich wirklich, dass meine Arbeit anerkannt wird; dies dient als Nachweis, dass ich bei der Arbeit etwas produktives leiste :) -Ich (talk) 19:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Jahrhundertring nominate ) 17:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC) Really glad to see this cultural milestone make it into the encyclopedia and onto the front page too. Well done! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, see my memories :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Patrice Chéreau DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Wilfred Byng Kenrick nominate ) 06:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC) DYK nomination of Jacques Schmidt Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Please see new note on DYK talk page. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Karl Friedrich Stellbrink nominate ) 08:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC) DYK for Jacques Schmidt nominate ) 16:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC) Kafka box See, I can defend them ;) --CassiantoTalk 20:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] You made my day ;) - you were a second faster, because my edit summary was a bit longer - the IP's "not needed" is one of my favourite reason, of course not ;) - who needs anything here, it's all volunteer work, until someone feels the need to interrupt productivity, following teh rulez, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] One good turn deserves another ;) Nine supports is almost as good as Joey's FAC! --CassiantoTalk 20:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] The 13 and it didn't help ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Before my time at TFA, but it sounds quite unjust! I have earmarked it for tomorrow's book at bedtime :) --CassiantoTalk Justice and Wikipedia don't go together ;) - this was 2013, when the rule of no second appearance was strictly enforced, - did you know that the witch appeared on the Main page anyway that day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of André Diot Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! – Muboshgu (talk) 21:12, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Good Humor You really make being a contributor more fun! Thanks. Maximilianklein (talk) 23:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] nothing secret here Hello Gerda, nice to meet you. Are you really the Notorious Infoboxen WikiCriminal that has been terrorizing the music articles?  :-)   As you can see from my first posting on AGK's talkpage, up above the duromac thing, I am *also* a notorious wikiCriminal. Or at least, notoriously silly (AGK blocked me -- then later unblocked me -- when they mistook one of my not-all-that-funny jokes over on the Bishzilla talkpage). But my actual question for you is this -- I did not really understand your reply to me. (watching) Simply thank you! (I would use the button, but it doesn't work for IP. Also there's nothing secret here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC) Well, okay, I understood the watchlist part, and the thank-you part. You are surely welcome. <bows> But what button and what secret thing are you referring to? I do login as an IP, of course (you can call me 74 if you like), but pokemon character, one of many not-very-notable-toys which has a long article in mainspace, badly in need of cleanup, and short on reliable sources. The pokeman-article is not related to the Duromac thing, directly, I was just using it as a metaphorical example of how wimpy our deletionist-standards are when something is 'popular' to some degree in the english-speaking-world. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] 74, nice to meet you! (Feels like AGK since this, more recently this, - the former was more fun ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Appreciate your thank-you, kind and gracious humanoid. 74 does count as a name of sorts; think of it as a jersey number.  :-)   Since I am an outsider, and have only heard rumors of the Dread Infoboxen Wars, you should take my nutshell explanation with a grain of salt... infoboxen oh nohz!   The story seems to be, that some editors who are very particular about *appearances* (the visual layout of the article and the style of how wikipedia appears to the readership) ended up annoyed at infoboxen *generally* as too data-oriented or too formal or too something, long before your arrival. So, when you came along with your wikithusiasm for spreading tightly-summarized knowledge, these visually-oriented editors mistook your love of the readership, with a crime of passion! <gasp> Personally, I never read the infoboxen, except in articles about chemicals, in which case I often *only* read the infobox-data. There is a new project, called WikiData, that has the potential to satisfy both yourself (e.g. there can be wikidata that the composer was born in YYYY that is easily accessible to readers *without* necessarily changing the page-layout) and the visually-oriented style-conscious editors; it is still in beta phase, and seeing the shape of what it will become is difficult at this point, but I have high hopes.   Anyways, what it boils down to, is an *artistic* argument about aesthetics: does the page LOOK COOLER without the infoboxen, or with the infoboxen? As with any argument about looking fashionable, there is always going to be more heat than light, more noise than signal, and so on. The arbcom decision to make infoboxen illegal, and you a notorious wikiCriminal, was a deeply flawed pragmatically-motivated attempt to keep talkpage decorum, to end the endless aesthetically-motivated edit-wars, and in general decide the fashion-question by fiat. The problem is that they ended up compromising our deepest principle, the encyclopedia anyone can edit, which boils down to Liberty. (The second, unstated, half of the principle was also run over with a tank: Liberty and wikiJustice for all.) You can see the same kind of respect-my-authoritah problems elsewhere, with the ever-growing list of Arbitrarily Enforced Discretionary Sanction topics (which will soon cover half of mainspace), the ever-growing list of semi-protected pages (the encyclopedia only Real Contributors can edit), and in so many other ways. The rising authoritarianism is deadly[27] to wikipedia... growth in active editor-count ceased years ago,[28] and has been steadily declining since. WMF has proven they are unable to help us,[29] so we have to solve this one ourselves.[30] Part of the *motivation* for draconian pragmatic arbcom decisions that violate the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit, is purely and simply that no arbcom member, no admin, and few semi-admins-using-twinkle-huggle-stiki-reviewer-rollbacker-etc can spare the time to follow the five pillars. They are busy-busy, rushing from fire to fire, and there are no reinforcements coming, whilst the readership grows and grows and grows. retention oh yehz!   This busy-busy crap leads to brusqueness, template-spam on user talkpages, ban-hammer first then let somebody else sort out the bodies, and most damagingly to aristocratic cliques and an us-versus-them caste-system wikiCulture. Worst of all, it is a vicious cycle where we shoot ourselves in the foot, every single day: nobody spares the time to be nice to beginners, so they leave, wikipedia is no damn fun. That means we'll *never* get reinforcements, we'll *never* be less busy-busy, we'll *always* suffer from steadily declining WP:RETENTION .   Okay, enough whining: I am quite sure the problems can be fixed. We need to have a vast influx of new blood, and the only way to do that is by making wikipedia fun again. I am forming a not-a-cabal, which will rule the wikiverse with the iron fist of friendlyism, and force wikipedians to enjoy themselves here whether they like it or not. You are cordially invited to join.  :-)   The not-a-cabal runs on a shoestring at the moment, holding brief meetings in the back alleys of the wikiverse on various user-talkpages, plus some of our agents have infiltrated the staid and prestigious halls of the WP:NICE nazis) will be everywhere.   Our goal is simple: steady inexorable growth of editors that contribute at least 5+edits/month, from the current 31k-and-falling figure today, to one million for enWiki. The trick is to make sure they are 99% Good Eggs, which means we have to assume that at least 1% of humanity is basically good -- enWiki has a couple-few hundred million uniques per month in terms of readership, at the moment. My core assertion, and key assumption, is simply that way more than 31k of those people are Real Contributors; if we want them to stay, all we have to do, is simply to keep from driving them away. We get literally 1000 new editors every month! Problem is, we lose 1050 editors, every month; that *must* stop. Thanks for listening, and thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. Upgrades,[31] unofficial tutorial,[32] and the 'official' helpdocs,[33] too. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for sharing elucidation! The infobox story goes back to 2005, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK: Julia Gerity Hi Gerda, - should I re-edit the DYK nomination to reflect the new sentence, or just leave it as "ALT2" and that will be seen correctly? (Btw, you're missed!) -- kosboot (talk) 22:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for both! No need to reflect. I asked you before, because if I had done it, a new reviewer would have to check. But switching from brackets to commas is no reason for that. The one who fills prep can decide. See below: I still write on the topics, just without disturbing the "collegial atmosphere" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] St John Passion Gerda, fresh from spending a total of about eight hours in St Thomas's (less in St Nicholas's), I'm acquainting myself properly with this work via Gardiner's recording—bit by bit, many repetitions, as is my style. I had vastly underestimated it. Tony (talk) 03:28, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Great! I sang it every other year for a while, alternating with St Matthew Passion. What do think of St John Passion structure for next lent, similar to Mass in B minor structure? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for André Diot DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Discussion at Template_talk:Bullying#RfC:_Template_links You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#RfC: Template links. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:33, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you but I possibly don't even want to know what bullying means, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] No hard feelings. Fladrif, one of the users involved in the template dispute, has unfortunately returned as an IP, 75.7.198.193 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) back in June. That IP was soon blocked for block evasion and personal attacks; his talk page access was disabled as a result. In my view, Fladrif's attitude was basically off-putting and I seriously cannot stand that turkey's actions. I took a break back in August for partially that kind of abuse. Other than that, I hope everything goes well around here. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Now you got me interested after all, see Dreadstar. - "All" is not well, see above, look for Kafka, but I'm getting used to the absurd and enjoy the template in my name ;) - Did you vote keep for the imaginary opera? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Not yet, and I'm no longer going to take Fladrif's nonsense anymore. He was just being disruptive and uncivil towards the community in general. I took a two month semi retirement for partially this kind of abuse. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] I understand your feelings, and my vote for his indef block was the one and so far only vote for a block in my wiki-life. I still think you use the term "abuse" a bit too much. Look at greeting Smerus after return. Look above for his name, we have friendly discussions and look for compromise. Did you see my last statement, a question that he answered differently (for a while) than I did ;) - If you look at my three questions for the arb candidates, you can see that bullying concerns me less than not looking at facts and not communicating. An editor whose work I respect and support was almost banned: one arb misinterpreted a fact, nobody challenged it, another seconded his vote. I remember my feelings, - But today we celebrate Britten! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ian Johnson TFAR I've had another go at trimming the lead, with more of an eye on "cricket-speak", just in case it goes ahead. I've opposed, but only because we have had a few cricket articles in 2013. Just to be clear, I've no objection whatsoever to you nominating cricket articles, I just feel we need a break from them. Feel free to nominate any of the ones I've worked on after a little time had passed. Just let me know if you want me to look at any future cricket blurbs. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! That's useful whenever it appears. - I was first to mention 2017, did you see that? - I was not going for cricket but for an article by an author to whom I wanted to give Precious, - he wrote other FA than cricket, but they appeared ;) - If Johnson is not chosen now, the author will just get Precious without TFA day, - I do that all the time, just now the date seemed so nicely close, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Info-boxing You recently stated, " my two entries to a given infobox discussion per day". As I read it, the arbcom enforcement and the enforcers tend to be quite draconian, you may be subject to further sanctions. I suggest that you withdraw your extra comments while you can. Warden (talk) 09:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] One extra "comment" (answering a question!) was saying that I am restricted, the other (answering another question!) that I will not use my time for looking. Sanction me for that please, to make things more absurd, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] (talk page stalker) Do NOT sanction Gerda for answering my question, please. I never would have asked her if I knew there would be any sort of problem with it. Doc talk 09:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Doc, look around, for example for "Kafka" and "terrorizing", - I am amused, looks like I may be sanctioned for diplomacy, but now nothing surprises me here any more, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:38, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] I had not read the full text of the restriction. There is no way you are going to be sanctioned because of what I asked you there. If you are, I will make quite sure it is overturned. And my apologies for inquiring there without looking into it further first. Doc talk 09:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] No problem. How can people know that I am a woman who needs to be restricted? That if they insert any infobox they are making a proxy edit because I would want one? (On top of my user, there is a link from "nobis", - I am so proud of my template.) - I wrote on Kafka, it really helps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Well, if you want to save trouble for folks like Doc in the future, perhaps you should cautiously look into WP:PUPPET. If you decide to create a second mutually-userpage-linked account, so that you can comment on infoboxen-related policy without violating your restrictions and without inciting others to violate the asinine blanket surrounding restrictions, may I suggest User:Gerda the Notorious Infoboxen wikiCriminal? Methinks it is both an illuminating warning to future-Doc-like-folks, and simultaneously points to the absurdity that one could ever *need* to have such a secondary username in the first place? Or perhaps you can petition to have this[34] dormant uid reassigned to you.  :-)   Hope this helps. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you for a suggestion that may tempt others, but I am here under my name. I might consider to carry the warning in my signature, with a link to teh template ;) - As said before (in the so-called clarification and discussions with arbs), I take the restriction as well deserved for defending Andy (something I do with pride), even if it doesn't make sense and is against my quality standard, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] You've got a "scold's bridle" on, yet your block log is unblemished. Quite odd, indeed. Doc talk 10:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Also I am still waiting for one diff of what I did "disruptive", on top of that being a word with a positive ring for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Warden, there was nothing wrong in the final comment (essentially a "no comment" comment) and I for one would be happy to take any Arb to task if there was any censure. Although they do stick strongly to the rules, however, I do believe that they show sufficient common sense on most occasions to overlook something like a "no comment". I also fail to see how this matter will end up at "Arbcom enforcement", given there are no breaches of anything they would get involved in! - SchroCat (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Diplomacy For getting involved in the interests of mediation and offering a happy alternative. There's no point in taking risks, so no diffs provided ;) CassiantoTalk 09:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] No diffs needed, supplied above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] O Ewigkeit, du Donnerwort, BWV 60 and others Hello, after you changed back my changes to the English translation of the titles on O Ewigkeit, du Donnerwort, BWV 60 and three other articles, I started thinking about what the best way to handle translated titles was. I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Translation of foreign titles and thought you might want to provide some input. Thank you. SchreiberBike talk 03:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] There was a discussion (forgot where) resulting in: if the translation of a title is used as a title in English (such as The Flying Dutchman) it gets treatment as a title, otherwise not. For Bach's 200+ cantatas, there always exist different translations, most of which are no titles. Even the German titles are mostly not a true title but the first line of the text, sometimes not making sense without the continuation. I suggest until we got clarification, you keep those you changed consistent with the others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] BEAST Thank you! Robvanvee 16:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for expressive music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] St Mark's Church, Swindon and Festival Te Deum (Britten) Gerda. Sorry I had not noticed that you had so recently created the Te Deum article. It's all got a bit complicated at DYK, but should it not be a double-nom with both of us getting some credit? Although maybe Te Deum is just a bit short?? A pity that PotW got in the way, but s/he did it in the best of good faith. Not sure where to go from here. Anyway, I'm off to bed. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] It is a double nom, with three credits, Andy as nominator, you for the church (a beautiful article!), I for the music which will grow a bit until it appears. No problem, right? I know an expert who will sort the credits ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks. As you say, no problem. Thanks for sorting it. Best wishes. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks Danke schön! --Musdan77 (talk) 16:35, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for John Ashley Kilvert nominate ) 00:02, 20 November 2013 (UTC) ‎Re:Britten centenary I have reviewed the hook you asked for at DYK but it still requires an extra QPQ because the hook now has two articles in it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, I will do one, but don't think it's required, as both articles were nominated by a third user. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Chéreau Up for GA, I see. Good luck with it! I'd review it myself, but I am so anti-Chéreau for his risible Bayreuth Ring that I don't think it would be fair of me to do it. Tim riley (talk) 12:35, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] It could be most fair, don't you think? - If you want an uncontroversial review, there's BWV 172. The Britten celebrations are in preparation, - any way to mention Te Deum in his article? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] If you need a quick DYK QPQ I see that for your work on Britten you need 2 QPQs...if you want an easy one to review, this one has been languishing: talk) 19:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Some baklava for you! For the great message you left me :) Magioladitis (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, I love to share, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yummy, thanks Gerda!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are welcome, it's fingerfood, and more above if this is not enough, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Te Deum in C DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Festival Te Deum (Britten) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 10:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] appended I have appended to my ACE2013 page at [35] - but fret lest I missed salient points about the remit and proper actions of that committee. If you have anything which ought be added, please tell me. Cheers. Collect (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thank you, Gerda Arendt! :) It's an honor to receive your award for a second time. Best. Acalamari 15:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, it's memory also, see the top here: missing the pumpkins and so many more. But I am still around and just created A Boy was Born on the composers centenary, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I miss the pumpkins, too. :( It saddens me that many of my friends here from 2007/2008 have left; fortunately, I'm still in contact with some of them elsewhere online and there are a few of my friends from that era still active. I know that we haven't interacted much but I am glad that you are here; it's always good to have positive and hard-working editors such as yourself around. :) Best. Acalamari 15:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am in e-mail contact with the pumpkins, but miss things as working on Kafka together, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] He liked that Grace Sherwood is on the German Main page, today and tomorrow, in the DYK equivalent SG ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] I too liked the witch when I read her article the other night before nodding off. Although I assure you the two were unconnected ;) --CassiantoTalk 18:07, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] A Boy was Born Delighted to make the acquaintance of the piece. Having read this article, which seems to me to say what needs saying, and to say it most readably, I shall seek out a recording and listen to the work after dinner. Tim riley (talk) 17:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] There would be a bit more (Spicer source) but rehearsal comes first, Mass by Michael Haydn for Christmas. The Boy will make a good Christmas DYK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Veering off at a tangent, did I ever tell you that in my chorister days (which ended with a horrible croak when my voice broke circa 1967) Bach was my favourite to sing, and Haydn (J) not far behind? But I never met M Haydn's Mass. Have you run across Weber's Jübel Mass? I enjoyed singing that nearly as much as JSB's Magnificat. Tim riley (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Michael wrote several, we do "Missa sub titulo Sancti Francisci Seraphici" in honour of the pope ;) - We is the group pictured on my user page. I didn't meet the Weber Mass yet, the other group will perform a mass by Andrea Gabrieli on Sunday. Both interesting pieces. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] In the name of your countless Wikipedia admirers I hereby demand to be told which of the people in File:Chor und Kinderchor von St. Bonifatius 2011 cropped.JPG is our beloved Gerda. Something like "xth-on the left on the y-th row" will do nicely. Tim riley (talk) 22:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Top (of course), 4th from right, but it's an older picture. Admired? Beloved? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Clearly an impostor, obviously a recent post-graduate student. Tim riley (talk) 01:56, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Who? The one who showed the absurdity of certain sanctions in one line? I am a great admirer of the art. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Sunday morning, I am in a good mood and get an untitled unsigned arb notification notice. Thank you, Sandy. I like your voters guide, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] WCLG (AM)‎ Hey Gerda, hope all is well with you. I was wondering, if you have a couple minutes, could you do an informal peer review on the WCLG (AM)‎ page, please? I am hoping to take it to GA. I am waiting on one picture from User:Bitmapped of the outside of the WCLG-AM/FM building, so I am doing this a little backwards. Thanks in advance. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] You just look above to find out if all is well ;) Sunday sercice mow, we sing a mass by Andrea Gabrieli, - so please be patient, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] I always forget you are a couple hours ahead of us here in the US. :) As for the ANI post, I'm sorry. I didn't notice that before I posted. I'm sorry to say it doesn't surprise me that SandyGeorgia is going after you (yet again), Kww and Wehwalt. Her intent, it appears, is to push out any and all good editors. Don't let that ruin your Sunday. I hope you have fun singing Gabrieli and I wish I could be there to hear it. No rush on the PR. :) Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] We sang well, glorious 400 years old music, capturing the spirit of the ever-repeated words with simple means, convincing. We also also sang a motet by Pachelbel for eight parts, "Now thank we all our God", with coloraturas on "Er gebe uns ein fröhlich Herz" (My He give us a joyful heart), - worked at least for today ;) For postlude, the instruments (recorder, cornett, Baroque trombones, percussion, regal) played an animated dance music. - Your article looks good to me, but I would avoid to squeeze text between the infobox and an image, - I got this in a similar case. - In case you don't want to investigate the arb candidates before voting follow the simple and trustworthy guidance of Bishzilla. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] The "Oldies 13AM" logo is there temporarily. Once I get that building image, I am going to shift some things around image-wise. The "Oldies" logo will move further down the page and the building image will move somewhere in there. It will all look great in the end. :) Anywho, it's neat that you all have instruments year-round in your choir, we only have them for Palm Sunday, Easter and Christmas and typically just trumpets. Otherwise, it is just the pipe organ and sometimes the piano, though played by the same person. We have a group that plays the bells, but those are every once-in-a-while and not a weekly thing. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] The instruments are there for special occasions, they rehearse and more often play by themselves in services in different formations. The choir is not singing weekly, not even monthly, groups take turns, adult choir next time for Christmas, Christmette late on the 24th, including Lux Aurumque, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Britten - aftermath of TFA Very little to review, thanks to the vigilance of (ahem!) splendid Wiki-colleagues, but we have a handful of points that should be looked at, I think: here. No rush, but I hope you'll look in. I don't know anyone whose passion for Britten's music shines more brightly than yours. No hurry whatever, but your thoughts would be most welcome. Tim riley (talk) 20:56, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] A kitten for you! Hi Gerda, I remember when you once were so kind to me and several other editors, passing out sincere complements, and I am just letting you know you are still appreciated. I hope we get to work together someday. Prhartcom (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! (I still do "Precious", try to find one every day.) Appreciated is so much nicer than being called to ANI (and not finding why), look just above. - Projects: I have a lot of red links on Jahrhundertring (and black names that should be red, every singer in that production is notable). I wonder if Europe Theatre Prize should have a list of recipients of the "smaller" prize, but that would again create countless red links. Patrice Chéreau is up for GA, started by many and recently improved by two. But don't forget that everything I touch is unclean (link from "nobis" on top of my user) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Magnificent subjects, these projects. Someday I hope to see the entire Ring cycle in person. I am only familiar with the great Solti recording for Decca. Best success! Prhartcom (talk) 15:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Re: drop If you went through an entire arb case and did not figure out why the infobox issue is disruptive, I nor Brad nor anyone can help you. Given the lack of understanding you appear to have in regards to this issue and the chronic frequency you bring it up, I once again suggest that you drop the issue and focus on something else. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Do you do Purcell? My first venture in starting a classical music article...let the WikiProject hammer me for it. Started an article on Purcell's anthem talk) 20:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you! Linked, before even looking, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] What do think of moving the background foreward and then cover composition? - We just sang a Pachelbel motet, with instruments playing colla parte (see above). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Purcell is one of my first loves and this anthem a sentimental favourite. I went through about three revisions of the article with different ideas on how to organize it and I still want to play with it because I'm convinced there's a better way--so I'm definitely open to any ideas regarding background/composition. I thought you would have noticed my skillful addition of a infobox before now. ;)-- talk) 21:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] You did well, but I am supposed not to mention the unspeakable word, see just above ;) - My link was to my memory of singing it, did you see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Welcome Hello, Gerda the Notorious Infoboxen wikiCriminal, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or or by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! --Shirt58 (talk) 12:09, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Getting started Introduction The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page Intuitive guide to Wikipedia Finding your way around Table of contents Department directory Editing articles How to develop an article Simplified Manual of Style Getting help Frequently asked questions Cheatsheet Where to ask a question Help pages New contributors' help page Article Wizard – a Wizard to help you create articles How you can help Contributing to Wikipedia Community Portal Join a WikiProject Follow Wikipedia etiquette Practice civility Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Europe Theatre Prize DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Harrias talk 15:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Théâtre Nanterre-Amandiers nominate ) 08:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC) Stuck on a word Hi Gerda. What does the German word untergesteckt mean in the context "Die anderen Gefangenen wurden in Stade untergesteckt.". I'm guessing it's either "used as forced labour" or even "executed". Gruß. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] Not a good word, never heard, a bit sloppy for a mix of "untergebracht" (housed? accommodated?) and "versteckt" (hidden), nothing strong, - unless it has a hidden meaning that I would not know, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Grange Court nominate ) 16:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC) Deletion review for Vedontakal Vrop Hi. I wanted to let you know that I've requested a deletion review of the outcome from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vedontakal Vrop. The review request has been posted at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 December 2. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 11:29, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] William Burges They just keep coming with their dumb edits. Who are these people? Thanks for watching it and for proposing it. I'm so pleased to see it on the front page, knowing that it will introduce his work to some who were previously unaware of it, and knowing the really terrific collaborative effort which got it to FA status, a status the "soul-inspiring one" so richly deserves. Thanks and regards. KJP1 (talk) 19:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are welcome, "soul-inspiring" is a great phrase. I am not interested who "these people" are, some you can only ignore. We watch TFA as much as we can, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Messiah Saturday 7 December, Peterborough Cathedral - the trumpet shall sound. Brianboulton (talk) 11:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] A Boy was Born? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you!!! Thank you Gerda. Your words of encouragement made my day!!! I'll be back with more ;) - Z 10:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Infoboxes again Hi Gerda! Just a heads up, if you've got time, there's T 14:20, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Infobox Thank you for your cogent arguments on infoboxes for all biographies, so the "look and feel" of Wikipedia extends to all people. The arguments against them for certain classes of people is just silly. I love the way you have collected their specious arguments. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, it's nice to feel understood ;) - did you vote? - here's another collection of arguments, the candidates speaking for themselves, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, apropos of Mark Williams-Thomas, why don't you simply add the parameter needs-infobox = yes to the {{WikiProject Biography}} template on the talk page? It will put it directly into a category, where many more editors will see it, and it is more, shall we say, "straightforward" than this sort of tactic. Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I tried straightforward, here and here, - and your way might get someone in trouble without a warning, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] ps: the most straightforward story of where helping can get you is here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Placing an article in "Precious Award", and then following it up by informing them that you are looking for someone to make a proxy edit for you if they are "unafraid of arbcom sanctions". Voceditenore (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thank you for pointing out the possibility of the talk page request which I didn't know. I would like to use it a lot, but who am I to say "needs an infobox", ever? I was told again and again that it's a content decision by the "principal author". I didn't mark the straightforward approach you mention above as humour, sorry, I thought it was obvious, - my only weapon in the battle against absurdity ;) - Who created Victor Bruns? The one who formatted a machine translation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] "I would like to use it a lot, but who am I to say 'needs an infobox', ever?" I'm not following your reasoning at all, Gerda. Or perhaps you meant that humourously? Every time you suggest an infobox on an article talk page complete with a fully filled-in model for someone else to add (as you did at Talk:Mark Williams-Thomas, Talk:Grange Court, Talk:Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig, BWV 26, Talk:Wilfred Byng Kenrick, etc. etc.) you are saying the article needs an infobox. There's no difference between that and simply adding the "needs-infobox" parameter to a project banner instead. As for who created Victor Bruns, it was the person who made the red link turn blue by adding, formatting, and referencing a machine translation of the equivalent German Wikipedia article, i.e. Dr. Blofeld. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] No. Possibly I have a language difficulty. "Needs" means - at least for me - a different thing than "I suggest". I believe that every article would we be better with an infobox, but to my (admittedly failing) memory I never said that an article needs one. - Failing memory: I remembered working on the Bruns article so well that I failed to check the history. - I stopped pointing out my restrictions on article talk pages: what would our readers think? - I suggested infoboxes for Andy more than for myself because I believe that his restriction - not to add infoboxes to his own articles as if he was in conflict with himself - is absurd. - On a hike, I thought that humour also helps a bit to cope with loss, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] The clear implication to the reader of someone "suggesting" the addition of an infobox to an article and pasting a complete mock-up of it on the talk page is that in their view the article should have it. Otherwise, why on earth would they suggest one? On the other hand, the needs-infobox = yes parameter actually displays on the talk page as: '"An appropriate infobox may need to be added to this article." [my bolding] There is no essential difference between the two in terms of their implicature or in terms of the speech act they encode, i.e. an indirect request for action. Trust me, I wrote a textbook for beginners on pragmatics . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Voceditenore, thank you for clarifying and teaching! I would not have imagined that a parameter "needs an infobox" would translate to "may need to be added", which is more careful. But it's still not what I would say. No article "needs" an infobox. I show by an infobox on the talk page that in my view an article would be better with one, and I spare another user the time to design it. - I will try your approach on Gabriele Schnaut, but first need to add substance to the article, - and I need to learn this language better ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Listeners/readers don't simply translate words into their literal meaning when interpreting language and acting on it. They make inferences as to what the speaker/writer intended by their utterance. Scenario: You walk into the kitchen where Signora Voceditenore is doing the weekly ironing. You have a wrinkled shirt in your hand and you'd like her to iron it for you because your landlord has forbidden you to use an iron yourself. You could say any of the following (in descending degrees of politeness/indirectness), but they would all be interpreted by the Signora as you basically requesting her to iron the shirt: I think this shirt would look better if it were ironed. I'm looking for someone to iron this shirt. I suggest ironing this shirt. This shirt needs to be ironed. Iron this shirt! The Signora will do one of two things. She will either iron the shirt or refuse to iron it, but she won't have misinterpreted your intention. There will be several factors which will influence her decision to comply. How you phrased the request is probably the least of them. Signora Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nice scene! I play the role of the Signora now: I would iron the shirt if the request addressed me personally: "Can you please iron this shirt? I would do it myself but I am not allowed to ... You could help me.", and I might be quite deaf to the above ;) - Unfortunately, the parallel doesn't work, because on an article talk, I don't like to talk about my shameful "not allowed" (now it says even "ban"), and I can't address someone personally. When I say "I am looking for someone", I don't mean a specific person. - Please check the singer, there's more now. I will look for better sourcing for the recordings, copied from the Spanish Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, instead of asking someone else to add an infobox as you have again done here it would be better to listen to the advice given on this thread and the advice given on Risker's page. Victoria (talk) 15:39, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Victoria, did you read this thread which gave me good advice how to ask decently in case of a biography? Did you notice that in response to the thread you link I avoided the word that some don't like? Did you read that I did not ask "someone" but only said that a page lacks it, a page where I created most of the content and no other editors are disturbed, - "the "someone" on who's page I said so being someone who asked me before to do it for him, look for "magic"? Also look for "sad day" if you are interested in other opinions also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Mark Williams-Thomas Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Harrias talk 16:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Thanks for the work, but on further research, the duplication detector has flagged up some more issues. Harrias talk 17:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gabriele Schnaut Can you check this? Gracias!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, started. You can't help that the German article assumes that readers know the composers. Will get "her" to DYK, but not today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Many thanks Many thanks for your message and for calling me an Awesome Wikipedian! Hel-hama (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Talkback: WikiDragons do not exist; stop wasting my time Hello, Gerda Arendt. You have new messages at Ahnoneemoos's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 08:20, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Gabriele Schnaut Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:42, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Please see new note on DYK nomination page. BTW, I read your Jahrhundertring hook at the top of your talk page. It really deserved all those hits! Yoninah (talk) 18:17, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] German translations I'll be taking a look at Wachet auf in the next few days...I've been organizing some of my goals for next year. I envision limited time next year so I want to plan my work. I have a lot on my plate next year in real life, so I have to start planning now so that I don't waste my time not getting anything done here, and not letting my Wiki-time overwhelm my real life obligations. I'll e-mail you to discuss some of those plans. I recently trannslated a few titles of polemical tracts written by talk) 05:34, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] I will look, while you can do magic (remember) on the wake up call ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] A start, changes italic, words I don't know "(?)" (+ I would capitalise the beginnings) (typo: "Trimuphs" is certainly "Triumphs", others I may not see) (I would leave Latin Latin) (Überziehung: perhaps better invasion, infiltration) (final question: were these important works not translated before?): 1653: Gründtliche Ursachen von Motiven, warumb Er Von dem Lutherthumb abgetretten, und sich zu der Catholischen Kyrchen bekennet hat. (trans. "a thorough examination of his motives why he deviated from Lutheranism and confessed to the Catholic church") 1663: Türcken-Schrifft Von den Ursachen der Türkischen Uberziehung. (trans. "writing on the Turks / Of the causes of the Turkish overdraft(?)") Interrupted, anyway: the best person I know for idiomatic translations is Moonraker, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Responses: Überziehung for invasion might be appropriate...the Turks were making inroads in the northern Balkans at the time (the slow March to Vienna which ended with the Turkish withdrawal after a failed 20 years later. I wrote the article with only the poetry, no list of polemics...and then someone just dumped the raw list of German polemical tract titles which I confirmed were real, reorganized and said "I'll translate the titles soon"...well, soon took a few months to get back to. I know there's a few misspellings in there...something that made translation a miserable experience (Overdraft vs. Invasion...was wondering around that umlaut). My German is decent, just "nicht fliessend."-- talk) 18:58, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Found this and corrected the German above. I still wonder if nobody scientific translated these before. - Love your English/German rhyme! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] thank you Thank you, Gerda, for your kind words about Unification of Germany and Cologne War. I have finally finished my dissertation so will have time now (I hope) to contribute more to Wikipedia. Cheers! auntieruth (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks again! Thanks much, Gerda, for the reprise of your award. It's refreshing and encouraging to encounter some kindness amidst the bellicosity, irrationality, and bigotry that I frequently encounter. TimidGuy (talk) 12:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Just for you Hello. You have something truly precious at Sainsf's talk page. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:54, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK stats - thanks Thanks very much for this Gerda! They take me ages to do. NB we are currently on 12 hour changes (I corrected). Did you notice Statue of Tara, possibly the highest-ever art DYK, thanks to a teasing hook? The top 3 this month are all art currently. I need to choose my "Christmas card" quickly. Maybe tonight. Johnbod (talk) 13:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I routinely look at all DYK connected to Germany - however distant. I thought I divided by 12, but math isn't my favourite ;) There will be more hits tomorrow. - I had the stats lead in November, with opera, - the image of the woman who can't believe what she sees (look for stats above, and the image). In the opera, it's Brünnhilde seeing her beloved in the process of getting married, having completely forgotten who she is. It's also me here, you know ... - I started my card, thanks for the image! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Mark Williams-Thomas DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda, many thanks for the credit! The page bestirred me into beginning Canon Cooke, a neglected translator. Moonraker (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thanks very much for the kind message and for your own great contributions here. Valenciano (talk) 17:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] A "country"? You are not alone in having info' box problems England & Wales is NOT "a country" Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:11, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] With the new arb committee, I expect my "problems" to be smaller ;) - By now I smile every time when someone asks to remove a complete infobox or reverts it because one parameter is debatable. - I almost never insert nationality, did you know? "The only real nation is humanity", - I miss the one who has that in his edit notice (link in mine), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I had not realized that even adding the Category:Biography articles without infoboxes is taboo now for classical musicians and composers. It is a sad day for information science. The argument reminds me of people who argue that an analogue recording on vinyl is a superior listening experience. Here they argue that the lack of structured information enhances the reading experience. It appears they are writing the articles for themselves, rather than for the general Wikipedia readership. I think most readers, including myself, come to an article to answer a specific question, or get a quick general sense of who a person is, if they have not come across the name before. My guess would be that 90% of queries are answered by the lede and the infobox. That is why Google provides exactly that information in Google Now. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:13, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Sorry, I saw your comment only now. Where was this? When I read an advice above I thought about what would happen if I applied it to Verdi - only theoretically, of course ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Christ in the winepress (Keltertreter etc) Hi, Gerda. I'm expanding this essentially German motif. There is a section on German Baroque cantatas of the C18, but so far no mention of Bach. Do you know if he sets any of the biblical passages referred to or any other treatment? Or do you have any other comments or additions? Thanks Johnbod (talk) 14:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Interesting question. Nothing coming to mind without looking, and looking only later ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I inserted a few Bible sources. Feel free to do others accordingly, and look through the Bach cantatas: I tried to have the Bible quotes in the infobox, under "Bible" (but some were reverted). - Off to rehearse for Christmas ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Many thanks! Johnbod (talk) 20:09, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Aha! Gott fähret auf mit Jauchzen, BWV 43, no 7. This should be added to the Bach article, with a link - I've added to mine. Do you want to do it or shall I? Johnbod (talk) 20:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Go ahead, - I don't see it yet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Help! I cannot get the "predecessor = | successor = " fields to display at Daniel Spader Voorhees. Can you peek at my syntax and see if you can find what I have done wrong? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I entered something and it would show, rather on top. (I didn't save.) I also requested that "mayor=" become a field at "template:infobox office holder", but no one has responded. Are you familiar enough with the coding to add a field. I have not edited infobox templates in over a year, and do not want to make an error. We need the field for positions appointed by mayors. New York City has a dozen municipal positions appointed by the mayor that are notable and have articles in Wikipedia. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] The template is protected, you will need a Category:Wikipedia template editors to understand what you mean. Did you talk to Andy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] You had redundant, empty second instances of |predecessor= and |successor=. As they came after your populated versions, they overrode them. I've removed the duplicates, and the correct values are now showing. I've also commented on the mayor discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Andy, helpful, - I didn't look far enough, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Gabriele Schnaut DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:47, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK: Dorle Soria I just added a DYK nomination for Dorle Soria (first listed under December 12). You might want to look at it (and many thanks for your help in the past which helped me refine this DYK)! -- kosboot (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for that article! How about an infobox? - same for the lady above, see talk ;) - Was Bernstein's debut in 1943 as the hook says or 1942 as the article says? - I have the nom on my watchlist but tend to do old ones ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Corrections & infobox done, tho it looks very meagre. --kosboot (talk) 19:34, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, 101 looks great! Phantastic woman, it seems. I would have picked Piatigorsky for a hook ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] 103 here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Precious little WP:LOVE for Xmas Soham (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Soham (talk) 13:48, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page. Shame on those who believe you edit with a single, tendentious purpose. Thankfully, I know better, (as they also could)—and have known, (as they also should).— John Cline (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Shame? Certainly the response you may have in mind revealed not to have looked at all, - including at the line: "Do you look at the facts?" - I enjoy the irony of it, "up to a certain point" ;) - I responded "Ich steh hier und singe" (do you know the rhyme?) to the case, and just returned from rehearsal. Singing is my single purpose ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas You are an amazing woman ... Gerda - I hope you and your family have a fantastic Christmas. All my hugs. — ChedZILLA 00:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Template:Did you know nominations/A Boy was Born I don't know whether you withdrew, but why should the was/Was ruin its opportunity to be the Christmas present? Does majority care about was/Was? The fact is: the overall hook was/is good. Anybody should learn about the composition/song from Britten. This is a genius work, and you can push this "was/Was" issue aside and undo the withdrawal (or let me undo your withdrawal). --George Ho (talk) 05:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Yes, I withdrew when my hook was changed to something I would not sign. I don't want my name connected to an article and hook that doesn't present the published name at least once. You can nominate it, name Alfietucker as the author. I don't want credit. My boy was not born. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ]  Done. I take credit, and you were removed. George Ho (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I thought you should have opened a new nomination. You called my shame pride, well, what can I say? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Gerda - having been away from my computer the last couple of days, I've only just discovered your withdrawal from the A Boy was Born/A Boy Was Born nomination for DYK. I'm very sorry to see this, particularly as it does seem to me (though I to a degree share your POV on the title) that whether it's 'Was' or 'was' is a relatively trifling matter. What really matters is that you have created an article (with just some minor additions by myself) which highlights one of Britten's earliest masterpieces and provides good, succinct information about it. People will discover soon enough that the work is widely presented with a lower-case 'w'; on the other hand, for instance, Faber & Faber opt for an upper-case 'W' both for the published diaries Journeying Boy and the Humphrey Carpenter biography, as does Dent in Michael Kennedy's Britten biography - so Wikipedia's MOS is actually in quite good company. At the end of the day, we're creating an encyclopedia which is being created democratically with just a few rules which the community is expected to abide by, which includes an MOS to decide on several issues thrown up by the unruly English language! Speaking for myself, I think it is better that all editors abide by these few hard rules, rather than getting so upset in the belief the rule is absurd to the extent that an editor won't promote their own good work. In short, Gerda I wish you would rejoin me as the official author of the article. Nobody will blame you for the fact the 'W' is capital rather than lower-case (and, as I've mentioned, Wikipedia's MOS is in good company in this instance): it's just how things go when an article is written collaboratively in a democratic way with just a few firm rules we're supposed to follow. Please join me. :-) Alfietucker (talk) 16:07, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for thoughtful words for my soul. I am able to abide by rules if they make a little bit of sense. To prefer a house rule over the composer's choice doesn't. We make those rules more or less democratically, no? I would try to question it, but now it's Christmas time, I would rather write nice personal letters. We also have IAR, no? - I thought I was well prepared early, - quite unusual for me ;) - I said twice that I could accept the MOS title if the article explained once that it is not the title published. No answer. I inserted it myself and was accused of disruption. At that point the boy was still-born for me, perhaps you understand. My name is in the history, I also still list it on my user page, but that is it. Now I will turn to the letters mentioned ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Holiday Cheer Holiday Cheer Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings. - LilHelpa Very welcome, thank you! - I will not send individual greetings but publish my music on 24 December, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] From London St. Paul's Cathedral... Merry Christmas, Gerda, and a very happy music-filled new year! Voceditenore Thank you, much appreciated! ( Bach cantata premiered on 22 December. Thank you for the help above, the ironing lady ;) - I tried the approach for Gabriele Schnaut (don't know if it would have worked eventually, kosboot was faster). Is there a similar way for compositions? Did you see "sad day" above? (I missed that, but am not surprised.) My Christmas music is prepared, one more rehearsal tomorrow, spirits high, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Merry Christmas Holiday Cheer Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings. - Vic/Roger inspired by this - you could do the same Note to Gerda, it looks like Victuallers had accidentally pasted in a big chunk of SilkTork's talk page when he left his Merry Christmas message. I've tidied up [36]. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC) Victuallers (talk) 11:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] See this trout .... imagine a hammer thrower at the Olympics .... I'm taking a spin, I'm getting faster. Its going to be a record throw ..... I just have to let go of it (Damn! forgot!).... thwack! .... I deserved that trout! :-) You managed to amuse me ;) - Returning from a service with Wachet auf as a postlude, the one that was in the [unprintable] until recently ;) - Summer in winter below also pleases me, pictured quirky hook doesn't happen so often, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Summer Leys DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:17, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Seasonal greetings Christmas greetings for 2013 and best wishes for 2014. Peace on earth and goodwill to all May you take pleasure in all you do and find success and happiness Brianboulton (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply] Es kommt ein Schiff, geladen Liebe Gerda, das ist glaube ich mehr ein Artikelwunsch. Du kannst das viel besser. Dir und den Deinen ein besinnliches Christfest.--Symposiarch (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Danke für Es kommt ein Schiff, geladen! - Normalerweise bringen wir die Texte nicht, sondern einen link zu ihnen. - Meine musikalischen Grüße erscheinen hier am 24. Dezember, - zu Weihnachten stelle ich die Verbannten und die, die aufgegeben haben, in den Hintergrund ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Glad Tidings and all that ... FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, glad after singing, rehearsal for Christmas Eve, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas dearest Gerda!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:41, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] thank you, on its way - also to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! A very happy Christmas and New Year to you! May 2013 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals! All the best Gavin / SchroCat (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, joy, happiness and peace to you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Season's Greetings Merry Xmas! Best wishes for a great Christmas, and for a happy, healthy and prosperous 2014! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, merry it is, see top, - hope for you, too! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Nadolig hapus Martinevans123Santas Grotto wishes you and yours "Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda" May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace once again.... I feel blessed, thank you, spirit! I return the wishes with our music (on top), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Absolutely beautiful!! Thank you, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Two years ago we did this one, - just returned from the service, singen singen could go on forever, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:45, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK nomination of Les cadeaux de Noël Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Maile (talk) 13:50, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Diplomacy Many thanks for your kind thanks - and a special award to you for maintaining calm and rational thoughts all during the stormy turbulence of the past year. May the future hold brighter things! (And thanks for all the help you provide!) kosboot (talk) 14:21, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Les cadeaux de Noël Thank you so much, Gerda! You were so kind to take care of the nomination. I had gone out to buy some and when I got back, you had done your magic. Ein gesegnetes Weihnachtsfest! And of course, Joyeux Noël! Voceditenore (talk) 15:32, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Christmas Story (Schütz) DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Harrias talk 00:03, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas... and Happy 2014! Wishing you a happy holiday season, Gerda. Rosiestep (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas and best wishes for a happy, healthy and productive 2014! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:28, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Imploring that Dear Gerda enjoys a sumptuous Christmas holiday and a naughty New Year! First play this → → → Now play this! I dare you to tell me that you did not smile. I have just played this. Wonderful. Thank you for the link. Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 01:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] — Keithbob • Talk • is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message. A Merry Christmas to you...I hope you have a good holiday...Thanks for all the good cheer that you send out to others herein. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 04:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas Gerda Arendt, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and hope your day is full of the true spirit of the day. Plus, good food, good family and good times. :) Have a Great Day! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:46, 25 December 2013 (UTC) [reply] Spread the joy of Christmas by adding {{subst:User:Neutralhomer/MerryChristmas}} to their talk page with a friendly message. DYK for A Boy was Born DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Harrias talk 12:02, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] A Holiday Turkey! What's a holiday without a funny-tasting chicken? Most flavourful they are soonest after glaring directly into the twinkle of your eye. Gobble gobble! Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:44, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Enjoy it ;) - Listen to the above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Happy holidays Happy Holidays! Hope you are having a wonderful time! From Hafspajen (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2013 (UTC) 12:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply] I do. No snow, but brilliant music, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] You are singing in a choir? Hafspajen (talk) 12:44, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] You look there closer and find the two choirs in which I sing regularly. I also sing in Reger-Chor (once a year) and am an honourable member of The Master Singers of Westchester, which means I can sing the Mass in B minor whenever they perform it and I fly in (1997 and 2003), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Me too. (Sing in a choir ). You are alt, sopran, mezzosopran... solo? Hafspajen (talk) 22:58, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I am alto, able to help soprano II, if soprano is divided but alto is not (as for many English pieces because there were many boys while the men had to be paid). What's your voice? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Ahm, I don't know. Hafspajen (talk) 16:48, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year Merry Christmas, Gerda! Thank you for making this year on Wikipedia more fun, educational, and productive. May this coming year bring you love and peace. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 17:25, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, especially for mentioning the fun part ;) (At times it was called absurdity.) Singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I hear and sympathize. Yet you made Wikipedia more fun for me, anyways, and I am grateful. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 17:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] I think we mean the same, absurdity can become funny ;) Did you see the talk of A Boy was Born where people seriously argue about whether the published composition title should be mentioned? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas, Gerda. Let's hope all Wikipedians show a little more good will in 2014! --Bermicourt (talk) 18:28, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Goodwill toward men (pictured) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] May I also add my very best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. You've done so much for Wikipedia in 2013. Keep it up!--Ipigott (talk) 08:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Les cadeaux de Noël DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Die Singphoniker DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page . Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:09, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Happy music above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Your GA nomination of Patrice Chéreau Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jburlinson -- Jburlinson (talk) 23:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply ] Hey. Appreciative gesture; gratitude. DS (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Many Thanks I want to thank you for the kind Precious award dealie you left in August. (Alas, I've not been on the site much at all lately. This has been a rough week for me as a writer, and I can't tell you how lovely it was to find your considerate words waiting for me here. Kudos for being so thoughtful and positive. Scartol • Tok 19:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] Lovely, considerate, thoughtful, positive: that's you, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] ^ The End of the Road: John Barth, Jacket Painting By Robert Watson.: Amazon.com: Books Retrieved 2013-09-19. Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt/2013&oldid=1160133095"