Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peace Treaty with North Korea
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Even the latter editors who voted "keep" were concerned about content (including one saying "remove 99%" of it) and possible
Peace Treaty with North Korea
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]- Comment Please note that WP:CRYSTAL as speculation it is necessary to know for the contributors of this article. To generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus, Can we please extend this AfD discussion for another seven day as some of the contributors of this article were not able to express their opinion? Goodtiming8871 (talk) 07:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment Please note that
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 08:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 08:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as per ]
- Comment: google translate can be used.Goodtiming8871 (talk) 07:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)]
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- Comment: see also deletion opinions at Talk:Peace Treaty with North Korea#Speedy deletion request (and above). Widefox; talk 12:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - I am not aware of even any initial discussions about a peace treaty between US/UNC and North Korea. This article is entirely speculative. Korean Armistice Agreement#Subsequent events is a perfectly good place to record any initial moves that might lead toward a peace treaty. In fact this article will duplicate a lot of what is in Korean Armistice Agreement#Subsequent events, and I think it is better there until there are at least preliminary meetings about a peace treaty. Rwendland (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: A doubt about initial discussions about a peace treaty between US/UNC and North Korea-> Please see one of the latest example: the Statement From Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter (Press Release Date: 5 Sept 2017) [1] Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the talk) 15:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)]
- Delete. Is an essay. Fails WP:BALL. As an interesting but relevant aside - see Talk:Second Korean War (which will also AFD soon / reduce to redirect) - which described the current events (before modifications - [1] as the second Korean war).Icewhiz (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment: WP:DISCUSSAFD - explanation the cases is required rather than merely stating that it violates the policy. ) Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)]
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- Delete per above. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 08:31, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 03:58, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: per nomination - Please see my comment above about WP:CRYSTAL Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment: per nomination - Please see my comment above about
- Keep: Thank you for the notice about the AfD - Peace treaty with North Korea - article and please understand that I have no objection whatever to the decision of ("WP:CONSENSUS"?) to Keep(or rename), merge(to other topic) or remove (to draft for improvement and Wikipedia:AFCprocess ), however I believe that this article has enough evidence below for the Wikipedia guideline, and I believe that it would be required to open the gate (enough time) of comments from the contributors of this article and North Korea Project participants who are interested in this topic.
It is my understanding about five suitability of this subject on Wikipedia.
- WP:NRVEThere are significant independent coverage or recognition on this topic,
- WP:SUSTAINEDThis subject has a sustained coverage as an indicator of notability
Regarding the key word for 'Peace Treaty with North Korea', Appreciate User:Srich32977 for the links above
> About 1,500 results of news, 1140 results of Books , About 60 results on Scholar, 27 matching research articles and other sources
- WP:POVNAMING: The article has a neutral perspective because of the contributors of the topic.
Regarding the suggested issues, ,
- WP:GNG
- Wikipedia:Recentism On this issue,
From my understanding about the comment of
- Keep and rename, per WP:CRYSTAL might be fixed by change of the name as per the talk page ' bad name 'comment by User:Kintetsubuffalo Wikilinlin (talk) 02:27, 3 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment. For the record, the topic itself is notable; the issue has been discussed since the 1950s and that has generated plenty of reliable sources. But this article is too essayish for me to consider advocating for keeping it. Should it be deleted, I hope the closer will consider it on the basis of the content of the article, not what the topic is. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 10:45, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: I think that it could be appreciable to revise the subject(topic) appropriately based on the contents of the articles, because the substance of the whole contents contains, news, opinions and research results of the experts in the respective fields of North Korea nuclear and ICBM issues. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment, Strong Keep: I think there is sufficient evidenceWP:NRVEof this topic and other current relevant topics in this encyclopaedia:
- compendium providing summaries from all branches of information. These several adjacent Wikipedia articles below regarding North Korea issues, is useful for the readers of Wikipedia because its one of the primary interests of the global community.
It proves that People desire to know the facts from fiction and to learn more details about it including the summary of books and scholastic writings on this topic.
Foreign relations of North Korea,
North Korea–United States relations, Gemvoice (talk) 15:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. There is no realistic prospect of a peace treaty with North Korea as long as its provocative missile and nuclear tests continue and suggesting otherwise (as the article does in its very first sentence) points out this article as North Korean propaganda.Amyzex (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Is it North Korean propaganda? -> Please see reference - USA was considering Peace Treaty with North Korea for at least more than 23 years. [2] Goodtiming8871 (talk) 12:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment: Is it North Korean propaganda? -> Please see reference - USA was considering
- Comment (by OP). Additionally, the article violates WP:NOTOPINION. That is, every speculation about what might happen is pure opinion by more-or-less informed commentators. There can be no facts about something that not certain to occur. (Also note how the articles uses the term "Peace Treaty" as a proper noun – this illustrates that it is not encyclopedic.) As NOTOPINION recommends, the material should go into Wikinews. To do this properly, the article should be deleted or made into a redirect to Korean conflict. – S. Rich (talk) 03:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)]
, Keep, Rename and Keep - There are some issues with this article, but it could be amended later on. A ]
- Strong Delete low-quality content about a vague topic. talk) 22:56, 6 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment: Please refer to the several articles about diplomacy options of US via google search - few examples from TIME concerning opinions of 6 Experts and CNN - Jimmy Carter's Agreed Framework :[3] (I could add it more later on) Goodtiming8871 (talk) 05:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 14:03, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
- * Comment: Thank you for Relisting discussions and guiding us about Wikipedia policy on content forks, Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:41, 9 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment We already have Korean reunification which covers this topic. This BALLy essay is not needed.Icewhiz (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. There is, as far as I can tell from looking for sources, no peace treaty signed between anyone and North Korea. And the title itself takes an inherent point of view. A treaty, by definition, is between more than one party, but this title only mentions one party. Is it supposed to be about a peace treaty between North Korea and Papua New Guinea, or maybe Gabon, or who? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:05, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Please refer to the initial version of peace Treaty attached between U.S. and North Korea: Agreed Framework
It was the part of North Korea Nuclear deal. - page #3 , U.S. promised to provide North Korea with the formal assurance of peace and Security to North Korea. From my understanding, the current nuclear & ICBM issue would have been removed already, if the agreement was proceeded, I was able to figure it out this information just only a few days ago because of the news release from Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter (Press Release Date: 5 Sept 2017) [1] [2] [3] [4]
- Delete It's not clear which peace treaty the article title is referring to. I suppose it should more accurately be titled
Possible Future Peace Treaties with North Korea Korea, but that would be silly.--Pontificalibus (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - Just cannot overlook the WP:CRYSTALBALL we would need to use to support keeping this article. This is an essay on a hypothetical scenario and a disorderly one at that; too many opinions and topics are covered (inadequately). Please do not merge or redirect this essay to Korean reunification for there is no benefit.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 09:13, 10 September 2017 (UTC)]
- Comment Please refer that I summarized the opinions and topics on articles yesterday.
With the issue of
- Regarding the term about name of topic.
It's my understanding, concerning the motivation of the peace treaty : there is a clear consensus about the abandonment of Nuclear weapons and Chemical weapons of North Korea.
However, there are some suggestions of the peace treaty partner with North Korea
- Option 1 Between DPRK and South Korea- backed by China & U.S. because North and South would be the main states
- option 2 Between U.S. is practically related to this subject after 1950 Korean War
- Option 3 Between U.N was the actual signed party of 1953 Korean Armistice Agreement
- That is the reason behind of the subject: [[Peace Treaty with North Korea],
Regarding the comment on Talk page of the changing name: Please refer to proposed subjects below
- Peace Treaty on Korean Peninsula
- Diplomacy of UN to North Korea missile tests
- Options(Diplomacy) of U.S. to North Korea crisis
I believe that it would be hugely favorable for us to have one of the topics above on Wikipedia. There are several topics about North Korea missile tests & crisis on Wikipedia, but as far as I know, there is no space for the summarized advice and opinions from the global experts on this topic.
- Only for within the latest 24 hours, It is easy to find more than 50 reliable news and opinion articles about North Korea crisis, but it is difficult to see all.
As Wikipedia is one of the primary live Global Encyclopedia on Internet, it would be advantageous to have room for subject above on Wikipedia,
Goodtiming8871 (talk) 04:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Those three topics you mentioned belong in North Korea–United States relations.--Pontificalibus (talk) 09:53, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you for your feedback, YES, It is quite related with North Korea–United States relations, however from my understanding, North Korea–United States relations is hard to cover all of this topic as the prevalent nuclear & ICBMs of North Korea are the global issue. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
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- ' Comment: Please understand that I am one of the people who is fear for the accidental nuclear war. As some experts said, North Korea would be the most potential place cause global war threatening the safety to all of us. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, quite. I received a message on my talk page about this from the creator but still stand by my "delete" opinion. I also note that the message still didn't reply to my comment that a treaty needs more than one party. The article obviously refers to a non-existent treaty between North Korea and the United States, so why on Earth, unless the creator is under the impression that everything in Wikipedia is written from an American point of view, doesn't the title mention the United States? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
- ' Comment: Dear 86.17.222.157,
As per my kind reply message of your inquiry: '"no peace treaty signed between anyone and North Korea." : I would like to politely share the related factor, the initial version of the Peace treaty was signed between U.S. and North Korea.
Concerning "American point": there was no intention of this side, and so I updated my comment above for clarification: example names- including U.N and Korean Peninsula. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep but remove 99% of content. The peace treaty itself is notable, but there are only few sentences about it (and one table). It seems the rest of the article is off topic, poorly organized essay/fork of the North Korea and weapons of mass destruction, plus some POV rants/points. All that junk needs to go. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- What peace treaty is notable? The only international agreement that is written about in the article is the Agreed Framework, about which we already have an article. There is no peace treaty. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- Hmmm, if they are the same then merge (if anything) and redirect. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep This is a highly important and notable topic and there is plenty of literature discussing the history and prospects. That literature can be documented factually. The article needs work to neutralize, as most new content does, but this is not an argument for not having an article. --JWB (talk) 08:48, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
- ** Comment - Regarding opinion from Peace Treaty for Korean War or End the Korean War and enables users to modify this article. D8jang (talk) 03:12, 14 September 2017 (UTC)]
- ** Comment - Regarding opinion from
- Delete. As it stands, it is an article on a thing that doesn't exist. bd2412 T 22:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete As I said on the article's talk page: the article is speculative, not encyclopedic. The subject of the article does not exist. Discussion of proposals for such a treaty would fit better as parts of articles on the Agreed Framework and the Six Party Talks. NPguy (talk) 01:39, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. ]
- Votes so far, to save folks the hassle of counting: Delete+Nom: 14, Keep: 5 + Keep but remove 99% of content: 1 Rwendland (talk) 08:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Glass Sphere. L3X1 (distænt write) 02:45, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There was an Agreed Framework between the USA and DPRK, but that has broken down, and there is no peace treaty in progress at this time. Any such peace treaty in the future is pure speculation. Natg 19 (talk) 07:48, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.