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File:London 25th&26th Feb and Lichfield 4th Mar 399.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:London 25th&26th Feb and Lichfield 4th Mar 399.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Neddyseagoon (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Photograph of an illustration from an almost certainly interior museum display. Photographer is unlikely to be the actual copyright holder of the work.

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File:Mike Kinsella Hockey Pavillion.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Ixfd64 (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mike Kinsella Hockey Pavillion.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Smbarnzy (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unused crop of File:Hockey Pavillion.jpg on Commons. ✗plicit 13:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Camaron Ochs--Heartforward.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Camaron Ochs--Heartforward.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by ChrisTofu11961 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Was only being used on album article

Heartforward which is now deleted due to non-notability, so there's no reason to keep this. QuietHere (talk) 13:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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File:Will Smith slaps Chris Rock.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. At the end of the day, NFCC #8 is a highly subjective criterion. Theoretically, Wikipedia could do without non-free images entirely and rely solely on text, so no non-free image is essential to the point that Wikipedia could not function. However, the English Wikipedia has chosen to allow non-free images, and since quantifying things like "significantly" and "detrimental" are impossible, I will defer to the opinion of the overwhelming majority of participants here since I find neither side to be stronger or more policy-based on a per-!vote level.

I will note that there is relatively little discussion on NFCC #2. Therefore, there will be no prejudice against further discussion of which specific image to use, or renomination solely on those grounds if no suitable version can be agreed on. However, the question of NFCC #1 and #8 are considered settled per this discussion. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Will Smith slaps Chris Rock.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by TheSecondComing10 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Will Smith–Chris Rock Oscars altercation doesn't need the image necessarily, to aid the user's understanding of the incident. - hako9 (talk) 15:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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9/11 has the image of the twin towers burning to show the viewer what happened during the event. Your statement is completely false and the altercation article needs the image. TheSecondComing10 (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(CC) Tbhotch™ 16:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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We don't actually have any non-free images in September 11 attacks.— Diannaa (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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that it matters. --IWI (talk) 01:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Did you try to click the images and notice that those pictures are not copyrighted?
(CC) Tbhotch™ 17:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@Tbhotch, why do you think those pictures are not copyrighted? They came from the TV broadcast, right? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or did I misunderstand? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about the 9/11 article.
(CC) Tbhotch™ 10:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete per nomination + Tbhotch's reasoning. QuietHere (talk) 18:25, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As someone who didn't watch the ceremony and skips the tabloids (I had heard the news but not seen any images), I found it helpful. Did he knock his teeth out? No, doesn't look like it. Did his hand merely huggle his face? No, a bit more than that. They are both wearing a suit, which tells me something about the setting. Their stances give me an idea of who's engaging/anticipating: Chris doesn't appear to have seen it coming: he didn't raise his arms or try to block. This can not be conveyed effectively using just text, and even if you could (and no, my description doesn't convey it effectively), you still couldn't because it would be original research. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:59, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What you're basing your argument on here is entirely trivial. The focus of the article isn't about what clothes they were wearing or how good Smith is at throwing a punch, it's just meant to tell you that this incident occurred and give context surrounding it. The level of detail you're including is beyond the scope of this website. And just because you don't watch the Oscars broadcast doesn't mean it is unreasonable to find the footage elsewhere. The justification regarding use of copyrighted material is this strict for a reason, and half-baked justifications like this just make it more clear to me why deleting is the right move. QuietHere (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    QuietHere, your arguments are half-baked. Settings and details matter. Wikipedia intents to inform and educate. If you want headlines, go to Twitter. If they had been in a more secluded space in casual gear, it would change the perspective. If Rock had been in a defensive stance, it would change the perspective. An image explains the situation better than a thousand words. Your argument that it "doesn't mean it is unreasonable to find the footage elsewhere" is as flawed as it gets: this applies to essentially every single non-free file we have here. Are you planning on nominating all 161,543 of them using this rationale? If you disagree with the existence of the Exemption Doctrine Policy as a whole, voting down individual files is not the answer. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also,
    (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Delete: Fails NFCC#1 (no free equivalent), as describing the event using words is a reasonable substitute for the non-free image. Everybody knows what a slap looks like. — Diannaa (talk) 20:21, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Everybody knows what a slap looks like Images can become symbols in their own right. As just one example, a Dominican artist has already created a mural on a section of the Berlin Wall that utilizes this Smith-Rock image as an element in a larger piece. This isn't a new phenomenon -- Comprehension of DuChamp's L.H.O.O.Q. is predicated upon visual familiarity with Da Vinci's Mona Lisa, even though "Everybody knows what a lady looks likes". Feoffer (talk) 22:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A gentle slap is very different from a forceful slap. The picture gives a good depiction of the implied force of the slap, and thus avoids endless edit warring about how the describe the force of the slap. We have WP:NFCCP#8 for a good reason. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. 78.19.232.48 (talk) 10:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why couldn't we describe absolutely any subject with words? Everybody knows what a human looks like, and we can get much more detailed than that with words. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the image - it is mandatory, as it shows the context of the slap. Unskathd (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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File:A typical road on The Darras Hall Estate.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:A typical road on The Darras Hall Estate.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by PaulaMorgan404 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Doubtful own work claim due to low resolution and Facebook string in metadata. Image is not used anywhere. Ixfd64 (talk) 17:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. QuietHere (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral and comment Low resolution and Facebook string doesn't seem to imply it isn't one's own work. I don't see any reason why this would be falsified, especially if it is not used anywhere.--
talk or whatever) 14:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
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File:Leigh-Anne Race, Pop and Power screenshot.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Leigh-Anne Race, Pop and Power screenshot.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by GabbyMix01 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

The screenshot is used in the synopsis section of

WP:NFCC#8. Aspects (talk) 18:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Delete per nomination. QuietHere (talk) 20:04, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Napster image.pnj.png

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File:Napster image.pnj.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Skype565 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unused screenshot of copyrighted website. Ixfd64 (talk) 21:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Napoleon mid thumb.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Napoleon mid thumb.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Bmaguire (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unused screenshot of non-free [3] software. Graph could be recreated without the program if necessary. Ixfd64 (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Nintendoscreen.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nintendoscreen.JPG (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Supercooldude4 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unused screenshot of presumably non-free website. Ixfd64 (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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File:NissanCedricY31GTModelKit.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:NissanCedricY31GTModelKit.JPG (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Viclipse (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Unused and low-quality derivative work of copyrighted packaging. Ixfd64 (talk) 21:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Kanye-West-grabs-the-mic-2009-vma.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Scarce (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

As per

WP:NFCCP#1, the incident can be described with prose as a reasonable substitute for a non-free image. 93 (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Pinging participants in related discussion above: @Hako9, Tbhotch, Diannaa, Nyescum, TheSecondComing10, QuietHere, Mediafanatic17, FormalDude, Ixfd64, and Alexis Jazz: 93 (talk) 17:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more neutral on this one, weak delete I suppose. Due to the low resolution and high compression you can't even see their faces. And all the details that are relevant to the story can probably be described with text or freely licensed pictures. Side note: an audio file of the actual interruption would IMHO be more informative. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:09, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Janet Jackson & Justin Timberlake's wardrobe malfunction.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep -FASTILY 00:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Janet Jackson & Justin Timberlake's wardrobe malfunction.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Bookkeeperoftheoccult (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

As per

WP:NFCCP#1, the incident can be described with prose as a reasonable substitute for a non-free image. 93 (talk) 22:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Keep. For the expression on their faces alone this file should be kept. That's difficult to capture in words, and even more difficult to capture in sourced words. If either of them was, for example, grinning, it would put the entire event in another light. Also to show how much of a wardrobe malfunction. While that part can technically be described with text, it isn't an easy thing to visualize based on a text description. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Alexis Jazz. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As above: Nice to see one deletion discussion resulting in the nomination to delete more images mostly along the line of
    WP:POINT. This is well within fair-use laws, and as far as enwiki image use policy goes, clearly it does significantly increase readers' understanding of the incident. This kind of interpretation of copyright policy, on the other hand, leads to very poor results for readers' understanding. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Delete per nomination, and admittedly in part because of the absurdity of the above "facial expressions" argument. This isn't an art piece, we don't need to capture anyone's emotional state. If we wanted to know how any involved party felt about the incident, we'd look for an interview with them where they talk about it and pull quotes from there. QuietHere (talk) 20:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Ship of Ishtar.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ship of Ishtar.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Low quality (even at original resolution) and no longer used. Replaced with File:The Ship of Ishtar (first edition).jpg from Commons. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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