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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 22, 2016.

TYPES OF ADVERTISING

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:57, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that most redirects like this are

WP:CHEAP, but is this all-caps version of a title which isn't even a title match for the target article really necessary? (For the record, its lowercase variant, Types of advertising, already exists.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:44, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

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Super Mario Storyline

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that I missed this one back in May of this year. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 13#Storyline of the Mario series; my rationale remains unchanged. Steel1943 (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List of African territories and states by the date they succumbed to European imperialism

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I deleted List of African states by the date they succumbed to European imperialism corollary to this discussion. -- Tavix (talk) 20:43, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect is not

WP:NPOV (and the edit history of the move that created this redirect almost 10 years ago states this as well.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

Whether or not the wording is neutral or non-neutral isn't the issue. It's that this is worded in a clumsy way that is unlikely for people to actually type in. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Alternative advertising

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The term of the redirect does not seem defined in the target article, so the connection could be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete too vague. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - As it stands, this isn't right. I also believe that the concept of socially transgressive advertising appealing to the counter-culture is a notable enough topic on its own, so that makes this a case of
    WP:REDLINK as well. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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Manufactured demand

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Associating the redirect to

stock value. Steel1943 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

Delete It looks like it was kept in case there would be a potential article, but given that Advertising does not even discuss this topic, it is better it be redilnked so people can create the article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:43, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This term is usually linked with either direct financial fraud or indirect dishonest commercial behavior (I'm reminded of the Manufacturing Consent book, which is famous enough that I know of it without having read it). CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak retarget to Demand (which includes a section about demand management) or delete per AngusWOOF. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Billboard (television)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect seems confusing and possibly misleading. It seems that all billboards are advertising, but billboards are more known to be big large signs usually posted on roadways. For this reason, I also don't think there is a good retargeting option for this redirect either. Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List of advertising clichés

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Such a list or subject seems to be absent from the target article; if fact, the word "cliche" or "cliché" seems to be completely absent from the target article. (Note: All of these redirects formerly targeted List of advertising clichés [with the exception of the formerly-mentioned redirect] when it was a article.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List of A Song of Ice and Fire characters/Family tree of House Targaryen

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect was created when its target article was moved to its current title in 2014. The target article was created in 2013, meaning that the target is not old enough to be eligible for {{

WP:SUBPAGE-style redirect that is not a subpage since it's in the article namespace. Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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List of AWS devices

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 16:45, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The use of the acronym "AWS" in regards to devices is ambiguous per the multiple possible subjects at

AWS which could have devices made by or for them, including Apple Workgroup Server. Steel1943 (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
]

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AWS-1

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The result of the discussion was dabify. --BDD (talk) 13:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect is not mentioned in the target article, making the connection unclear. Alternate searches seems to connect the redirect to the subject in Advanced Wireless Services, but the term's not mentioned there either. Steel1943 (talk) 18:15, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • The acronym is listed in the History section of the article. Squadron was first designated as Air Warning Squadron 1 (AWS-1).Looper5920 (talk) 18:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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List of AVA

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:18, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect is ambiguous, considering the multiple subjects listed at AVA using the acronym which this redirect could refer. Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retrget to AVA, which is a list of things that are called "AVA." -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would prefer delete over retargeting to AVA, since search results seem more useful in my opinion. -- Tavix (talk) 16:42, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Tavix. — Gorthian (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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What if It All Means Something (song)

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 16:38, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relatively little information about the song itself is discussed in the target, and I can't find information other than the lyrics relating to the song itself rather than the album. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 01:15, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Unnecessary disambiguation as there are no other articles with this title. Also not clear if "if" should be in caps or not. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:55, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @AngusWOOF: I came across this about a week ago and was unsure if it was appropriate or not. Now thanks to your comment on the Trump redirects, I now know how not every track in an album needs a redirect. I came across it when I added an entry to Turn (not delete) the Page and Miss April to the article on the album, now I'm beginning to wonder if even that is appropriate. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 04:59, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I have never seen the "If" uncapitalized in this context until I spotted this redirect. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 05:01, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it's a released single, then of course it can stay. If it's a notable song on a track, like it gets covered in reviews or receives airplay on major stations, then don't mind it as much. Titles that are common to multiple artists can go on the disambiguation page; not sure if those need a redirect but if they are notable, then maybe retain those too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:15, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The album article claims that the title track is one of its released singles, but there's no source to back it up. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:54, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Typical {{R from song}}; this is how we treat NN songs. If anything, being notable would make for a stronger deletion case because you could say REDLINK. --BDD (talk) 16:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Voiding

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 17:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be too specific a target for it. Came across it on the DAB page void where someone has helpfully also linked it to excretion but it has other meanings, such as the act of declaring a result void. Suggest retargeting to void. JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 20:44, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to void as news articles use it like cancelling. like voiding a contract or permit. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:49, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Voiding is also a term used on electronics manufacturing. [1] [2] [3] all of which can support directing to void which has definitions under the "In science and engineering" section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Note that the string "voiding" occurs just once on the lengthy void disambiguation page: buried in the Other uses section. "Void" is a noun; it's a thing. "Voiding" is a verb; it's an action. There is a difference. wbm1058 (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    die attachment (integrated circuit packaging), voiding in solder paste, BGA voiding, BTC voiding, QFN voiding and mixed alloy voiding. So where is Wikipedia's coverage of these topics? The void disambiguation leaves much to be desired in this regard. Electronic packaging § Potting talks about "filling all voids", "void-free potting" and "collapsing voids", but doesn't use the term "voiding". Does "voiding" mean creating voids or removing them? Are we talking about vacuums here? The vacuum article is not helpful in answering this question, as the term "voiding" is not used in that article. Anyhow these uses might call for the creation of Voiding (disambiguation), if we could actually find topics to link to from that. The table at Injection moulding § Moulding defects has a moulding defect called [[Cavitation|Voids]]. Cavitation is the formation of vapour cavities in a liquid – i.e. small liquid-free zones ("bubbles" or "voids"). "Empty space" within part (or an "air pocket", which is not a vacuum). But neither injection moulding nor cavitation nor void (composites) uses the term "voiding". – wbm1058 (talk) 16:08, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Picture the circuit wire like a bike lane and there's a huge pothole in the middle of it or some pile of leaves. That's your void. It can also be used in those electronic connectors and wires where they clear out room around a connector so it doesn't touch the sides. Either way, it's related to making voids. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:38, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you're thinking of signal traces on printed circuit boards. Perhaps that is a valid application of the term "voiding", but the term isn't used in the printed circuit board article. It does mention "leaving voids"... "in the materials". So "voiding" could mean either:
* Filling in undesired "potholes" in traces, or
* Creating voids between traces to avoid shorting traces together? wbm1058 (talk) 17:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This discussion of electronics is interesting, but it still misses the point that after searching 15 pages deep in "voiding", my results are dominated by the medical usage, with some pages on voiding documents, test scores, warranties, patents, receipts and checks, etc. thrown in. You need to specifically search for "voiding electronics" to easily find webpages on that topic, such as Voiding Control for QFN Assembly, and our
    QFN article doesn't mention "void", much less "voiding". Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts that arise when a potential article title is ambiguous, most often because it refers to more than one subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic. This electronics usage of the term simply isn't covered by Wikipedia. wbm1058 (talk) 17:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Retarget to void. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:43, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Wbm1058 and hatnote to void. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 18:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Urination seems by far the most common use of void as a verb. I think the dabnote at the target page is effective to get readers to the right page if they were looking for the legal term or some other use of void as a verb. WJBscribe (talk) 16:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Red cell antigens

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The result of the discussion was retarget to blood type. There's not much of a consensus, but it's probably the only way this can be closed given the discussion. -- Tavix (talk) 17:55, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm admittedly no expert in biology, but something doesn't seem right here with this redirect pointing towards its current target. In a nutshell, the term "red cell antigen" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, and via search engines, I am failing to establish a connection between the two terms. In addition, the article Human red cell antigens exists (possible retargeting option.) (Anyone who feels up to participating in this discussion has my permission to ping whatever WikiProjects or possible experts regarding this.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:57, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I have informed Wikipedia:WikiProject Biology of this discussion with a notification on its talk page. Steel1943 (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment: I suppose if participation is lacking in this discussion, the "no consensus" option may be to move
    WP:PRECISE title.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:04, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Retarget Blood type. The blood type article explains that blood types are distinguished by antigens on red blood cells and this is useful to ensure safe transfusion. I think this target provides the information that the prospective reader is looking for. Deryck C. 15:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Jobs and Wozniak

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アップル

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:42, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not particularly Japanese. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 07:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. The Japanese Interwiki is
WP:NOTENGLISH. Si Trew (talk) 09:39, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply
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Baton Rouge mayoral election, 2016

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

a very narrow topic (politics x year) within a city referring to the general article about that city seems inappropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I know others disgagree but my general opinion is that of the nominator, taking a specific title to a more-general one is shouting our wares that we have more in the suitcase than we actually have. We should be brave and admit we don't have anything about this specifically; were we brave and {{tlx|R to section]] at Baton Rouge, Louisiana#Mayor-President our readers would find out quicker that we know nothing about it.
It's not the job of RfD to add content but to work out whether redirects to the content we have make sense. This one don't. I checked in case I could scrape from the French article at fr:Baton Rouge, but that is more brief than the English one, so no good there. I haven't checked Spanish yet but Louisiana ain't much Spanish-speaking so I doubt there will be much there. The general form for these are place type of election date, but I am not sure what policy that actually is, it just seems to be how they are usually done. Si Trew (talk) 09:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Lists of AFVs

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