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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 9, 2024.

Wikipedia:USR

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The result of the discussion was retarget to
(non-admin closure) Aaron Liu (talk) 00:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Only 784 pageviews since 2015, no recent links I can see, seems implausible, and interferes with

WP:US/R. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Système solaire

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This means "solar system" in French, but the solar system is not especially French. Hence, I suggest deletion. Duckmather (talk) 21:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ulitsa

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, according to Wiktionary, "ulitsa" means "street" in

WP:FORRED. Duckmather (talk) 21:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Kansas City shooting

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 17#Kansas City shooting

Kannada Films Databse

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 16#Kannada Films Databse

ビルボード

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per

WP:RFOREIGN. Certes (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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デイリー・テレグラフ

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per

WP:RFOREIGN. Certes (talk) 18:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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シカゴ大学

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per

WP:RFOREIGN. Certes (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

@Certes: Template:Db-r3 makes reference to which is not in another language pertinent to the topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So it does. I wonder if we should mention that at
WP:R3, which currently only states that certain other-language titles should be kept. Certes (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I think we should it makes reference to "as are some redirects in other languages". I would delete that text and put "This applies to redirects in languages other than English that are not pertinent to the topic". Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Internet Movie Databse

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The result of the discussion was keep.
(non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 06:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Unlikely typo. Low page view statistics indicate so. TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 18:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rhyphelia variegata

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This genus is no longer monotypic, and the genus article does not mention the species. Nosferattus (talk) 16:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per
circularly linking to this redirect. Given the massive wall of redlinks that this link is nestled into, I don't see a problem making this, too, a redlink. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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Candidates for the first novel

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The result of the discussion was retarget to
(non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 20:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Unclear what this redirect is meant to refer in reference to its target article. Also, the singular form, Candidate for the first novel, does not exist. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's very clear if you can be bothered to look at the history! It was set up in 2006, going to what is now Novel#Early_novels (where it should now go to) & a fairly plausible search term for those interested in which ancient novel was the earliest. Johnbod (talk) 21:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did, and I disagree with your assessment per the reason on my nomination statement. Please
WP:BEFORE accusation. Thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Meh, more focused on conflict resolution at this point per my relist. Steel1943 (talk) 16:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist due to discussion on my talk page. I had originally closed this to "withdraw" and retarget to Novel#Early novels, but there has since been a series of back-and-forth edits on this redirect, specifically the redirect being retargeted to List of claimed first novels in English, an edit that was subsequently reverted. So, opening this back up for discussion. At this point, I have no opinion in the outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LEvalyn and Johnbod: Pinging participants on my talk page to let them know I have reopened this discussion. (This is probably 1 of 2 or 3 places there will be such notices.) Steel1943 (talk) 16:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of claimed first novels in English as per discussion on Steel's talk page. As LEvalyn pointed out, that's EXACTLY where anyone landing on this redirect would want to go. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Novel#Early_novels. The title of the redirect doesn't mention English, so there's no reason to assume the reader only wants English novels. In fact, I heard of Don Quixote as the "first novel", although they usually say "first modern novel". Kk.urban (talk) 16:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a VERY good point. I'll note that several of the candidates listed on List of claimed first novels in English DO in fact predate the 1605 printing of the first part of Don Quixote, but you're correct in that the redirect does not specify English, where List of claimed first novels in English does (Don Quixote, as a Spanish novel, does not show up on said list). Changing my vote to Retarget to Novel#Early_novels. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, still Retarget to Novel#Early_novels. Category:Ancient Greek novels is not small, plus there are the Roman, Japanese and Chinese ones. All these are well before the English candidates, & more indisputably novels. I put a link to List of claimed first novels in English at the target. Johnbod (talk) 18:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    True, and also I'm realizing that Encyclopedia Britannica describes The Tale of Genji as the first novel. Kk.urban (talk) 19:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Early novels per everyone above. Assuming the searcher means "in English" seems to be clear anglocentrism. Rusalkii (talk) 04:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I concede the retarget. I thought the list of claimed first English novels did a more useful job of orienting the reader to the problem of identifying a "first novel" at all. (I suspect it is a quirk of my scholarly background that I see the novel as a narrow subgenre of prose fiction; the vast majority of pre-17thC "novels" are obviously romances, not novels, especially the five Greek ones; Genji is a notable exception. But the encyclopedia should serve a generalist public, who probably does want to find out about romances when they look for novels...) If List of first novels by language was in better shape it might be the best option overall. I won't oppose retargeting to Novel#Early_novels given the clear consensus here. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Chudjak

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 17:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ITV Studios Home Entertainment (television split of ITV Studios studio.)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 10:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a plausible redirect. No useful page history. AusLondonder (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Women's Premier League (cricket) Squads

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 10:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Middle parenthetical "(cricket)" seems like a an artifact constructed from appending "Squads" to the page name; unlikely search term, not used anywhere else on the internet. Rusalkii (talk) 08:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Messianic Noahides

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 16#Messianic Noahides

NATO is pregnant

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 10:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target. Potentially an oblique reference to this if mentioned in a section anywhere, but as far as I can tell it isn't. Does not seem navigationally useful at present, and potentially confusing. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:8812:623B:4590:20E2 (talk) 05:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete rather bizarre redirect, no clear reason why this analogy is used. I can't find any usage on the internet either. Kk.urban (talk) 05:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and also what? Not mentioned at target or anywhere else on the internet except this comment. Rusalkii (talk) 06:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Per
    WP:CHEAP. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
i'm assuming it's like those pregnant elsa foot dress-up flash games that used to flood the internet
support asking the creator what the joke is (i don't think cheap would help here when no one knows what it's about), and then deleting as fast as humanly possible anyway cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as confusing --Lenticel (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per Kk.urban. – Hilst [talk] 14:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I doubt this is useful. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Unlikely nonsense without context. Steel1943 (talk) 16:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (and send to
    WP:DAFT): Sounds quite nonsensical, and does not seem likely to be attested. Xeroctic (talk) 17:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Comment some sources: [2] (which describes NATO's effort in the war as pregnant), [3] as well as old source [4]. Trying to re-find the foreign language articles that translated to describe NATO expansion like pregnancy. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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International Journal of Transgenderism

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The result of the discussion was keep. In regards to the rcat, "R from non-neutral" supporters suggest this tag is used because one word in the title is non-neutral. "R from former name" supporters suggest this tag as the entire title is the exact former name. At this point in time, this will be tagged as "R from former name" due to it having highest precision for this case.
(non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 06:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Linked to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 9#Transgenderism - the journal renamed to International Journal of Transgender Health in 2020 as ‘Transgenderism’ is considered a slur nowadays so all incoming links should be updated to the new name and this redirect deleted after. Raladic (talk) 04:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, because it's misleading to say that someone using the former title is writing non-neutrally. They're either writing accurately, or not.
b} 02:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I don't see how it's misleading. They changed the name for a reason. Yes, before the journal changed its name, it was a neutral name. However, they have now changed their name. Thus, continuing to use the journal's previous name well after they changed it, IS non-neutral. Thus, we need to go back and change any prior usage (edit at 10:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC): perhaps with a reference to the original name as per Raladic's example), and we also need to tag the redirect as both prior name AND non-neutral.
Also, as a trans girl myself, might I note how hilarious it is that we're discussing the neutrality of deadnaming a journal about transgender health? It has a certain 'yeah we're not making this up' quality to it 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When you cite something, you cite it with the name it had at the moment of publication. You do not retcon the names of publications or businesses. If Bob worked at the
b} 11:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
"The National Bureau of Standards" also doesn't literally contain a slur against the very people the group purports to support. That right there automatically means that there needs to be a finer line tread. I will concede that we can't just erase the old name outright, but we also shouldn't flat-out ignore the name change, and we shouldn't just ignore the reason the name change was made.
As I noted in the edit to my previous comment, Raladic's example, as used to reference the Journal of African American History ( ...The Journal of African American History (formerly the Journal of Negro History) was...) worked in this sort of situation-- it notes the previous name, and immediately clues the reader in that it's NOT the current name, in one easy, fell swoop. (Also functional for this role would be swapping the two-- ...The Journal of Negro History (currently the Journal of African American History)...)
Obviously, that won't work in every situation (say, it won't work in reference citing, where I will also concede that we probably need to use the original name), but it's FAR better than just ...The Journal of Negro History...-- or, more relevant, ...The International Journal of Transgenderism... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, wrong. Don't believe me? Look at IJTH which cites past issues as IJT.
b} 02:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
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Transgenderism

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The result of the discussion was retarget to
(non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 06:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

The term ‘Transgenderism’ is a slur (refer to GLAAD) and should not generally be used across Wikipedia. I just came across the fact that it was used on ICD-11 and cleaned it up from there, but this redirect should be deleted and any references should be replaced by terms such as “transgender people” or “being transgender” as the existence of being transgender is not an ideology. Raladic (talk) 03:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refine + Tag as {{
R from non-neutral term}} as per Presidentman and others. The people who are saying it is neutral or unbiased are, simply, wrong, in 2024, but non-neutral redirects can and do exist and thus appears to be the best way to handle the situation. Brusquedandelion (talk) 15:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
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The Pit and the Pendulums

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The result of the discussion was retarget to
(non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 06:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Not mentioned in article, could potentially be Retargeted to The Pit and the Pendulum. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:33, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete This is one of many needless alternate names, needless disambiguations, implausible search terms, and other wrong things, which are spammed by this user and are actually just
    WP:FANCRUFT. This is an extremely implausible search term, not happening. No, it wouldn't be redirected anywhere else, for exactly the reason the nominator just stated. — Smuckola(talk) 05:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Retarget to The Pit and the Pendulum (the Edgar Allen Poe short story) and tag as {{R from incorrect name}}. Yes, the redirect targeting to Super Mario 64 would be fancruft (The Pit and the Pendulum being the second mission of the world Tick Tock Clock), but retargeting instead to the Edgar Allen Poe story means it is no longer fancruft. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to "The Pit and the Pendulum", it's surprising this wasn't already redirected there. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Media coverage of the Arab–Palestinian conflict

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per
WP:CSD#G6. The edit summaries and immediate self-reversion indicate this was created in error. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

R3, but from a page move, so it has to go here. I don't see much of a use case for it. Geardona (talk to me?) 02:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete If there is an "Arab–Palestinian conflict", that's a completely different thing. Kk.urban (talk) 03:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Haj Ali (mayor)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 06:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target, and not apparently anywhere else either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete this seems to be pertaining to Ali al-Shalal Abbas according to JSTOR and this site. Anyways, we don't have any info about him. --Lenticel (talk) 09:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 16#Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy

Template:Equestrian events at the 2024 Summer Olympics

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The result of the discussion was keep. Regardless of where the page ends up, consensus suggests that both are plausible search terms for the subject.
(non-admin closure) Utopes (talk / cont) 06:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Unnecessary redirect. Unexplained move to include events in title. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the same has happened with {{Equestrian events at the 2020 Summer Olympics}}. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: ...Whyyyy does the actual title/template NOT have the word 'events' in it? As it stands, the template reads rather stiltedly? My brain keeps wanting to either make the word 'Equestrian' plural, or add the word 'The' in front of it, even though neither are correct. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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