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Bilateral relations

List of ambassadors of the Philippines to Jordan

List of ambassadors of the Philippines to Jordan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A short article that fails

WP:GNG. Its sources are derived from primary entities. Hauskasic (talk) 20:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giacomo Merello

Giacomo Merello (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This individual does not pass

routine
or passing mentions. Some of the sources do not appear reliable or particularly independent.

The argued notability of this person by editors that have removed prior tags appears to hinge on certain "honors" such as the "Order of the Eagle of Georgia" and the conception of "Lord Leslie" while these honors might sound significant it appears that honors like these can apparently be acquired without much difficulty (according to a source that was previously cited in the text by one of the contributors and later removed).

Another concern is that a number of the key contributors of this article appear to be very close to the subject including HearldicFacts and Mediascriptor. Another key contributor was previously blocked for sockpuppettry Judasith1234 which is not a good sign. Nayyn (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Only passing coverage in low-quality sources. Worth mentioning that HeraldicFacts added a picture to the article which was uploaded by Judasith1234 to Commons 19 minutes prior, so another likely sockpuppet.
— Arcaist (contr—talk) 14:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Arcaist - I will not take a position on this page retention, however just to clarify yours and @Naayn comment on "sockpuppetry", it was a misunderstanding of 6 months ago, which was opened in a sockpuppetry debate and resolved through a discussion and a final decision of several Admins, that ended with the deletion of user Judasith1234. It is unfair and incorrect to motivate a further deletion proposal based on this specific topic as it was already discussed and resolved in full previously. HeraldicFacts (talk) 07:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP The subject meets
WP:GNG through multiple non-trivial, independent sources covering his diplomatic and cultural roles. While some honours may appear unusual, they’ve been reported by independent media and involve internationally recognised institutions, not self-promotion. Rather than deletion, improvement is the constructive path forward, especially given existing sources and the subject’s international footprint. Kellycrak88 (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
]
Have you done a
WP:Before on this individual? Which of the references would you consider to be "non-trivial, independent sources"? I struggle to find a source that would be considered either to support this individual's dubious claim to notability. If editing is the way forward, how would you propose to edit this piece so that it is appropriate? I'm afraid WP:AKON applies here. Nayyn (talk) 23:02, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
]
KEEP Giacomo Merello clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria per WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Multiple reliable, independent secondary sources provide significant coverage of his career and roles, beyond routine mentions. Concerns about the subject’s honors and the contributors’ proximity do not negate the existence of independent sources demonstrating notability. Below, I outline the sources and relevant policies supporting retention of the article. Roles and impact: the coverage centers on his notable roles – as a Special Economic Envoy of Antigua and Barbuda, as a legal expert in digital assets and legal heraldry, examples 1. https://expatliving.sg/antigua-and-barbuda-citizenship-by-investment-and-coat-of-arms/Expat Living - this interview is a secondary source (Merello is the interviewee, with the magazine providing context) and offers significant biographical detail, demonstrating coverage in an independent publication; 2. https://www.henleyglobal.com/events/henley-partners-presents-celebration-caribbean about his activities as diplomat; 3. https://www.vietnam.vn/en/viet-nam-truoc-nga-re-tai-san-so-tin-chi-carbon about a seminar held for the State Bank of Vietnam. 4. https://antigua.news/2025/05/17/bridging-oceans-and-opportunities-giacomo-merello-on-promoting-antigua-and-barbuda-in-singapore-and-in-asia/ Antigua News - this is far beyond a trivial mention – it’s a full profile of his activities and impact, published by an independent news source (not a press release); 5. Multiple other independent articles about him from VIR and Malta Invest;  6. https://www.liveranionline.com/immagini/118224/retrospettiva-marcella-bella-cantante-con-il-figlio-giacomo-merello-nel-1985 ; https://dilei.it/spettacolo/marcella-bella-figlio-giacomo-singapore/1279204/ ; https://www.wemusic.it/marcella-bella-chi-sono-e-cosa-fanno-nella-vita-i-figli-carolina-tommaso-e-giacomo/ are all articles directly about him in connection to his very notable singer mother Marcella Bella, and not just as a routine mention, these are all independent secondary sources and are not "routine mentions" but the subject is the main topic. These roles have been covered in context by third-party sources, indicating he is a “significant, interesting, or unusual enough” person to deserve an encyclopedia entry, as per WP:GNG. The titles on their own may not necessarily meet by themselves WP:BIO, but in connection with all the rest, they definitely support and they have multiple mention in secondary sources on their own, like Debrett's, RSN, and Royal House of Georgia. On the Scottish Feudal Baronies there is currently in place an editing war which makes deletion based on that also shaky and not well thought. COI claim is vague and per WP:COI policy, an article should not be deleted solely due to who edited it, especially if just to fix objective links and factual elements, and any promotional tone wascleaned up by neutral editors in line with WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Mediascriptor (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that Mediascriptor has been blocked as a sock.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:43, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://thoibaonganhang.vn/tan-dung-kinh-nghiem-quoc-te-de-viet-nam-quan-ly-tai-san-dien-tu-hieu-qua-163455.html (This is the Vietnam Banking Times, piece all on subject);

https://daibieunhandan.vn/tai-san-so-tin-chi-carbon-co-phai-la-tai-san-bao-dam-10370864.html (this is Vietnam's official parliamentary press);

https://vnba.org.vn/en/digital-assets--carbon-credits-expected-to-be-collateral-in-bank-loans-17452.htm totally independent news article;

Series of other articles on Vietnam Investment review (which is State-linked):

https://vir.com.vn/the-tropical-paradise-that-appeals-to-travellers-and-investors-121662.html ; https://vir.com.vn/a-comparative-investment-guide-to-singapore-and-malta-124553.html ; https://vir.com.vn/navigating-offshore-opportunities-in-a-globalised-world-123277.html ;

a prime time TV show on Singapore Channel Five, called Makan Times Stories, also features the subject (the Italian martial artist and lawyer in the trailer): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvzWKthxtlM ;

Another Italian article: https://www.true-news.it/facts/giacomo-carolina-tommaso-chi-sono-figli-marcella-bella-carriera-vita-privata ;

There may be also qualification as WP:POLITICIAN as subject represents directly the Prime Minister Gaston Browne of Antigua and Barbuda as Special Economic Envoy (the same exact role from the same Country is covered also by actor Robert De Niro, https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/29/robert-de-niro-economic-envoy-antigua-barbuda .

There is a clear constant pattern of coverage in international sources and from multiple reasons of different kind.

Also I simply observe that several of the editors participating in this AfD discussion, including the proposer, seem to be very actively involved with each other in the broader context of arguing and engaging in what appear to be editing wars, which somehow casts a doubt on their

WP:NPOV . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.220.129.231 (talk) 06:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
]

IP user, you are casting aspersions if you are suggesting the proposer and other editors are colluding on some sort of agenda here. If you are trying to insinuate something, do provide evidence. Nayyn (talk) 10:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For precision and intellectual honesty, I never accused you or anyone else of "colluding on some sort of agenda", these are words you are putting yourself in there. And "casting aspersions" involves direct accusations which are "repeated or particularly severe", which, again, it is objectively not the case. 5.148.85.22 (talk) 15:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As you have declared a COI in this case, it is quite serious to suggest that uninvolved persons are purportedly engaging in editing wars over this subject. This is not true. Nayyn (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure which IP user am I talking to here, 5.148.85.22 or 205.220.129.231? Or if you're continuing the same conversation across two IPs.... Nayyn (talk) 16:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi please stop and try to make an argument. I added a number of quality sources and you ignored them. What for clarification I meant is that there seems to be an ongoing drama between you @Kellycrak88 @Mediascriptor @Arcaist which apparently resulted in ANI heated discussions, blocking of an entire section of the Baronage of Scotland, and so on. The IP changes depending where you are, sorry. Also I recently noticed this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mediascriptor ; as an external onlooker I simply noted that there seems to be again and again the same persons, including yourself, over the same topics, and it does not look balanced and respecting WP:NPOV - this is not casting aspersions at all, I am merely stating facts that anyone tracking all the above users interconnected involvements can notice. I will no longer reply on this specific topic, as I believe I explained it to you clearly. However, I do ask you to reassess the page you proposed for deletion based also on the newly shared RS, and in conjunction with everything else. You could easily edit to improve the page further. 119.56.98.99 (talk) 06:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Only replying because you pinged me. Your COI should make you think twice before accusing others of lacking
WP:PA
) is a good-faith effort to deal with non-notable individuals connected to bought Scottish titles; it's not surprising you see the same editors appear in multiple places.
Let's look at the sources:
  • Thoi Bao Ngan Hang: a report on a workshop in Vietnam at which he was one of eight speakers.
  • Dai Bieu Nhan Dan: the same workshop, he's marginally quoted in one paragraph.
  • VNBA: same workshop.
  • VIR articles: this is not "coverage", they are simply promotional articles written by him.
  • YouTube: I'm not even going to comment on the notability implications of 4 seconds of him swinging a katana and making meatballs in a trailer with 200 views for a "primetime show".
  • True-News.it: The fact that family members are notable doesn't make him notable.
  • I don't think I have to explain why the existence of Robert De Niro doesn't make Merello notable? I can't even find a press release about his envoy status besides an article in Antigua News, which is owned by his buddy Dario Item.
None of this fulfills
WP:SIGCOV in any meaningful way. — Arcaist (contr—talk) 12:00, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 17:58, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note for closing admin regarding Mediascriptor

For the closing admin’s information: I would like to note that the user @Mediascriptor, who provided a KEEP rationale above, has since been unblocked following a review that confirmed they were not a sockpuppet. This clarification is provided so that their KEEP rationale may be considered validly in the discussion.

Thank you. HeraldicFacts (talk) 10:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HeraldicFacts can you please clarify your connection regarding this page? Nayyn (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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