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Unfortunaltly fair use pics can not be used anywhere else but articles themselves. Give me a couple of days and I'll see if I can find a free version of the MacLeod claymore.  Stormin' Foreman ^{Got something to say?} 13:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about using the clan tartan, as seen on Clan MacLeod? Just a thought. Hooper (talk) 16:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trilogy

Highlander (Dynamite Entertainment)

I'm trying to find information on the two trade paperbacks that were released to furthur the article. But other than the official dynamite site there isn't much other than speculation about before they were released. Just a heads up if anyone else knows anything about it. Hooper (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Start-of-the-year sweep (end)Okay, I'm done (since last week actually, but what with this AfD and other things... ;). Here are the character articles I've kept, with my comments :

• Ahriman (Highlander)
• Amanda (Highlander)
• Anne Lindsey : not much on her, don't know if she should stay
• Caspian (Highlander)
   : should he be merged with Four Horsemen ?
• Charlie DeSalvo : not much on him, don't know if he should stay
• Connor MacLeod
• Darius (Highlander)
• Duncan MacLeod
• Four Horsemen (Highlander)
   : should it stay or be divided into the respective Horsemen articles ?
• Heather MacLeod
   : not much on her, but features in two movies
• Hugh Fitzcairn
• James Horton
• Joe Dawson
• Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez
• Kronos (Highlander)
   : should he be merged with Four Horsemen ?
• Maurice (Highlander)
   : not much on him, don't know if he should stay
• Methos
• Nick Wolfe
   : I kept him as a second thought, but much work needed on this one
• Rachel Ellenstein
   : not much on her, but features in two movies
• Richie Ryan (Highlander)
• Silas (Highlander)
   : should he be merged with Four Horsemen ?
• Tessa Noël
• The Kurgan : kept on second thought, but not sure if he should stay... hey... he's... looking at me...
• Xavier St. Cloud : not much on him, don't know if he should stay

Well then, everyone's up for grabs, you know the drill, it's GA or bust ! Of course you have all the time in the world to do this, and I have updated the to-do list on the main page to highlight the most urgent work. Happy editing ! Rosenknospe (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply

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I love our local Suncoast

And to note: DVD was alot different than the SciFi or other region versions. Some for the better, most for the worst. Hooper (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RedirectWhats with the redirect and deleting some of the original character's pages? I tried to get the page of Sean Burns up from wikipedia and it redirected me to a two line summary of the character. There was tons of other information on Sean and his backstory, I believe. Please fix up and repair the page for sean burns.

67.167.21.138 (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I redirected that article as part of the start-of-the-year sweep (see above) because there was not enough out-of-universe information from

Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) for more details. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply

]

Misc. CharactersI was reading above about the plight of the minor and misc. characters. I have a question/possible solution about this and didn't know if I should continue on with that discussion or start my own. So, I'm starting my own, but it can be moved. Anyway, I was wondering if Wiki had any size limits (as in, how little content can you have on a subject to qualify it to have it's own article) on articles? If not, then maybe we can decide how to address whether a character gets a full page or just a blip on the "minor characters" page.

My ideas: If there is enough information on a character that warrents more than either 1) two (large, like more than three sentences) paragraphs or 2) we have some background info as well as present day info and misc info (like "lovers", "time line", "fighting styles", "abilities", etc...) then that would warrent an article. If it's anything less then it should be listed on the "minor characters" page.

I just thought this might be a good way to classify who gets what since the Highlander Universe is still (somewhat) active and this would allow characters to be changed as we receive more information on them and also keep some confusion down. Any other suggestions? Selenameeka (talk) 19:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know wikipedia has a policy,

Methos

, who drinks from the biggest beer mug.

After 29 days, 18 hours and 37 minutes of unbearable suspense...

Highlander: The Series (season 1)

is a Featured List !

♫ "I'm a man that will go far, fly the moon and reach for the stars" la la la ♪

So what can I tell you... Bring on the beers !

Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 09:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing work. What list is next? Hooper (talk) 15:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm planning to do season 2, but first I want to make

Tessa Noel a GA, and it needs to be knocked into shape. And frankly, see how I look like ? I need some rest ! ;D In the meanwhile, don't be shy, take a seat and join in the fun ! And oh, have a beer, there's plenty in the fridge ;D Rosenknospe (talk) 07:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Expanded TimelinesI have noticed that there are a few aspects of Duncan MacLeod's Timeline that are missing from the article. The only one I can cover right now is the 1780's meeting with May-Ling Shen in Outer Mongolia. This is a very important meeting, as it is the time at which Duncan learned a great deal of the martial arts skill he based most of his subsequent fighting styles on. This is also the earliest chronological appearance of a Watcher on-screen (as seen by his medallion in the flashback). May-Ling was also Duncan's first female combat teacher (not to be confused with etiquette teacher, like Kristin Gilles in 1659).

Anyways, here we can bring up more to add to peoples' timelines and discuss interpretations of what's not solid fact. I also noticed that there is some stuff missing from Methos' page, too. Most notably his education in Heidelberg and subsequent career as a doctor. Ristaron (talk) 02:58, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although I created three of these pages myself, I'm still not sure they comply with Wikipedia policy about reliable sources and

reliable sources. Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Leaps of Faith

Yup. Just gimme time to check my disks and I'll post over there. Rosenknospe (talk) 19:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't see it on any of my Highlander movies. --Kensane (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Highlander II fourth version??

List of science fiction film and television series by lengths

Sure, I answered on the article's talk page. Rosenknospe (talk) 08:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Highlander: The Game

I have added some but couldn't find much. Looks like the game is pretty doomed at the moment, from where I'm standing. Rosenknospe (talk) 12:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly I think you're right. They refunded my pre-order (wasn't even going to play it, but wanted it for the collection). I guess I'd actually have to be immortal to see it released eventually. Such is the life of a Highlander fan though. Still waiting on the other two films in the Source trilogy.......... But back to wikiness, thanks for trying. Hooper (talk) 14:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New DVD

Hmmm... Didn't they do that for a Highlander Worldwide convention ? Or something. ;D No, sorry, I don't know anything about it. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 20:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another Comic Coming

Highlander character infoboxHello, there. I'm going to list

Tessa Noel for GAC in the close future, and I noticed the Template:Highlander character

infobox doesn't work for mortal characters. Compare for example Tessa and Darius:

{{Highlander character | image = (Fair use images not allowed here) | image_size = 240px | name = Tessa Noël | age = 35 (at time of death) | born = {{birth date|1958|8|24|mf=y}}, [[Lille]], [[France]] | portrayer = [[Alexandra Vandernoot]] | first = "[[Highlander: The Series (season 1)#ep01|The Gathering]]" | seasons = [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 1: 1992-1993|1]], [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 2: 1993-1994|2]], [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 4: 1995-1996|4]], [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 6: 1997-1998|6]] |}}

{{Highlander character | name = Darius | image = (Fair use images not allowed here) | image_size = 220px | age = 2123 (at time of death) | found = 130 B.C, [[Ural Mountains]] | immortal = 92 B.C | teacher = Ahasuerus the Parthian | teacher_of = Grayson, [[Duncan MacLeod]] | portrayer = [[Werner Stocker (actor)|Werner Stocker]] | first = "''[[Highlander: The Series (season 1)#ep13|Band of Brothers]]''" | status = Deceased (1993) | seasons = [[List of Highlander episodes#Season 1: 1992-1993|1]] |}}

(Right, the boxes display in a strange way for some reason, but bear with me, okay?)

Note that the "Found" parameter doesn't work for Tessa. It's a parameter intended for immortal characters and thus doesn't display here, which leads to information loss (Tessa's dates are here, but don't show). Though at this time I cannot guarantee I can make a GA of either Charlie DeSalvo or Maurice Lalonde, we'll need the template at least for Joe Dawson, so it has to work for everyone.

So, what I propose would be that the "age" and "found" parameters be dropped and be replaced by "birth date" and "death date" parameters, showing their respectives dates of birth and/or death. This would have the additional advantage of enabling us to use Template:birth date and age and Template:death date and age where applicable, thus displaying the age without the need of a parameter and automating the age count in the process instead of people having to do it by hand every year.

I'm not sure we need the "alias" and "watchers" parameters either, because they look rather crufty to me, but I'm open to your comments.

I also think we could replace the "movies" and "seasons" parameters by a single "appearances" parameter where we could list the works in which the character appeared. That would be in my opinion more simple of use.

The new box would look something like this:

Highlander character
(Fair use images not allowed here)
Darius
Born	130 B.C
Immortality	92 B.C
Died	1993 AD
Mentor	Ahasuerus the Parthian
Pupils	Duncan MacLeod
Portrayed by	Werner Stocker
Appearances	" The Hunters "

This template has been discussed before; in this discussion Arcayne introduced the term "Found" for Immortals because they are supposed to be all orphans and thus found on a certain date, but we don't know when they are born. I would like to stress out that I'm not discussing this point again here. Independently of whether Immortals are foundlings or not, I'm trying to make this template work for all characters, immortals and mortals, on a technical point of view, which is why I deemed the word "born" more practical in my proposal.

Questions ? Comments ? Thoughts ? Let's start the discussion ! Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 11:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was months ago when the 'birth vs. found' discussion was made, and I've had ample time to reflect upon it. I have come the conclusion that the discussion of a lot of this is rather non-notable and crufty, not to mention a bit of

synthesis

. Unless someone is quoting a notable source we are not privy to here, the date of death is being extrapolated from the broadcast date of the episode, and we have no basis to determine dates within the episodes. We are also extrapolating the age for the characters (with the exception of those whose age is stated in the episode/film in which they meet final death).

I appreciate the attention to detail offered by Rosenknospe, but I am thinking that the dates are as largely superfluous and unnecessary as is the coloring of the infobox. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rosen always does great work, and I support whatever decisions he may make in regards to this. Hooper (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words, both of you. Arcayne, you are absolutely right to ask for reliable sources, and in this case the dates are provided in the Watcher chronicles on the DVDs of each season of the series. This is where I got the ones for Darius and Tessa. Darius' dates are actually referenced in his article, I just removed them when I copied the box here because there are no reference list on this page. The chronicles count as DVD bonus material, which are widely accepted as sources for Featured Articles, see for example Khan Noonien Singh, Jack Sparrow and Bart Simpson. So I think we can safely use them as sources here. I hope this addresses your objection. I have no opinion about the coloring and no objection if it is dropped. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So you are saying that the DVD sections deliver exactly this info as to birth and death? What I mean is, are we taking the date of death from the date of broadcast, or from an actual dating which indicates such? If its the former, my original reticence remains. If it is cited (and I agree that citing video is acceptable, so long as it can be verified), then there isn't really a problem.

And I am glad that we are of a mind to remove the infobox coloring. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the info actually comes from the bonus material on the DVD, not from any extrapolation from the episode. For example, on my copy of Highlander season one (Anchor Bay Entertainment, 2001), the bonus material includes a page about Tessa, describing her character, that she is an artist and MacLeod's lover, etc., and which very clearly says, "Born : 24 August 1958", and then "Shot and killed in a random mugging incident 23 October 1993." (As a side note, the episode where she died actually first aired on October 18, 1993.)

So can I assume that we have a consensus ? Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, yes. Make sure to cite each date appropriately, though. Someone will almost assuredly attack the veracity of it otherwise. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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